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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid:   216499

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1079717625448620033?s=19

Okay, this is epic. Why is this boy being allowed to compete against girls? He is clearly a dude! A biological male, with XY chromosomes and a penis, and no amount of estrogen and surgery will change that. He's not even making any effort to look like a girl, and...wait...wait...OH NO NO NO

He's FtM and transphobes have neither the reading comprehension nor the functioning neurons to realize that their own rules are why he's competing against girls


PFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hauptmann (ID: ddaec0)Country code: jp, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216501

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everytime someone on my FB shares this shit, I have to remind them that He wants to wrestle against males but texas law won't let him. FFS, what is going wrong with people?

(ID: 7aa782)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216503

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this doesnt set a very good precedent

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 38f7bb)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216505

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They should just let girls wrestling teams take anavar and beat up the boys.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216506

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>>216501
Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Based and redpilled Texas, refusing to deny biological reality.

I wonder how many girls he'll have beaten up before they realize biological reality is a bit more complicated than their 4th grade understanding of it.

>>216503
It's also a precedent that could become federal law if that wacky HHS memo goes through. Fun fact, FtMs actually outnumber MtFs. Gender critical radical feminists feared that women's sports will be dominated by MtFs without this policy, but in reality, under this policy they'll be dominated by FtMs, effectively erasing cis female athletes, while transwomen will, of course, not make it very far in men's sports. How's that for patriarchy/male supremacy?

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 17c1ce)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216507

To be fair, MtFs and FtMs both theoretically have an unfair advantage in girls'/women's sports. It's not like girl pills immediately atrophy your muscles, right?

(ID: 7aa782)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216508

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>>216506
whatever works

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216509

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>>216507
It honestly depends. Loss of muscle mass does occur with estrogen therapy, but someone who starts in their 40's is obviously going to have different results than someone who starts in their teens.

I don't think there's a solution that will please everyone, but I'm pretty sure the "boy = penis, girl = vagina" solution is the least fair and sustainable one, considering transmen are more common than transwomen and have a higher advantage over cis women than that of transwomen, and cis men will also have an unfair advantage over transwomen.

The most fair solution would probably be to have separate sporting categories, but then you piss off both the "muh special treatment" crowd and the "but we are real women/men" crowd. And as people start to transition closer and closer to the optimal age, the gap between cis women/men and trans women/men becomes smaller.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 17c1ce)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216510

>>216509
The most sustainable solution is to exclude the trannies from everything, and then you don't piss off anyone but the subhumans. :^)

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 38f7bb)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216511

>>216507
A MtF that transitions early won't have an unfair advantage, they'll actually be at a disadvantage because girls are stronger until boys hit puberty.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216512

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I think we should measure everyone's molecular structure and only let people compete in a group where the entire molecular structure is identical. It is the only way.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216513

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>>216510
This is why I'm a trans nationalist. We cannot survive in a nation of [[[cishets]]]. We must secure the existence of trans people and a future for trans children.

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 38f7bb)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216514

>>216509
The most fair solution would be to have the girls that are strong enough to compete with boys on the mixed gender varsity team, and everyone else compete on the mixed gender JV team. But then fewer girls would want to wrestle at all, because they don't want to compete with boys unless they win a lot.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: bd0892)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216515

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I HAVE A SOLUTION.

Abolish sports.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216516

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>>216514
Whatever happened to like, weight classes anyway?

Truthfully, you're not gonna have a completely "balanced" match no matter what. But I swear there's a more nuanced answer than either "fuck it, just have 'em all on the same team" or "sorry Alice and Ayden, taking those pills can't change what you were born as, so you're gonna either get your ass fucked by the boys or destroy the girls whether you want a fair fight or not :)"

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 38f7bb)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216519

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>>216516
Texas is one of the few states where cisboys cannot wrestle cisgirls in high school, (edit: almost) everyone else lets girls compete with the boys. There have even been a few female state champions in lower weight classes, mostly from wrestling families with successful wrestler parents and/or siblings.
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Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216520

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>>216517
Do you sexually identify as Alice?

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216521

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>>216518
Delete what?

>>216519
Huh, the more you know.

>>216520
Of course not, I'm a Kinsey 4.5

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216523

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>>216521
That sounds like you are both ends of the fuckening.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216524

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>>216523
D-did I say 4.5, I meant 6, eheh.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216525

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>>216524
That's okay, strap-ons count as peens.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216526

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>>216525
Or they don't count as peens? I don't know things get confusing.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216527

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>>216525
>>216526
It's not about the peen, it's about who or what it's attached to.

But fine, I admit it, peens with men attached to them can be nice sometimes.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216528

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>>216527
I agree, plus that'd be a pretty massive dick if you gotta say the man is attached to it. Even I kinda like could appreciate a massive dick.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216531

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>>216528
Cute smol dicks are nice too, though. Although I typically prefer those to be attached to a girl.

A-anyway, this thread's going off the rails, let's not get our minds too stuck on dicks.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216532

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>>216531
Fine...

I think like, cis girls should compete against cis girls and everyone else should be in the "others" group because apparently there is an advantage one way or another as long as hormones are involved.
Maybe if trans population increases enough, MtF and FtM can get their own categories. That or we find an objective way to go "okay, your body structure is identical enough to a cis male's/cis female's.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: da10c3)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216536

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>>216532
In all honesty, having mixed categories in addition to gendered ones seems like a good compromise to me.

Eventually it'll be a nonissue anyway, when it becomes common knowledge that trans people need to transition at the start of puberty instead of getting stuck being twinkhons like me.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216538

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>>216536
We just have to find just what in the brain determines your actual gender, and how best we can scan for it.
That or... I dunno we just accidentally stumble upon the gene strand that determines transgenderism, who knows.

Either way once we can with 99.9% certainty tell if a person is transgender or not with objective data, we can do reassignment stuff much earlier in a preventive way.

That or society moves entirely beyond the concept of gender... transhumanism happens and everyone gets all the body parts whenever they want.

PC (ID: 1963e3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216539

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>>216499
>Beggs’ mother argues that "her daughter’s talent and wrestling strategy is the reason for her success– not her male hormone therapy," She told the Associated Press

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Tracer Bullet (ID: aadb61)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216541

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>>216539
Funny, I told that Olympic committee that the reason I threw that discus 2 miles was because of my talent and strategy, and nothing to do with the steroids I was taking.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: da10c3)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216542

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>>216539
>her
>daughter

PC (ID: 1963e3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216543

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>>216541
Should have said that you were transitioning to male, that's all you need to say to bypass the rules and get prescribed pump.

PC (ID: 1963e3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216545

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>>216542
>be boy and definitely not a girl
>want to play with the boys
>can't because you're a boy with girl parts
>able to play with the girls tho
>compromise
>but you're still a "boy"

I dunno, methinks that right to be called a boy was given up when she decided to wrestle girls.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: c8f87f)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216546

>>216545
>Literally any gotcha, no matter how petty, is worth it just to own the trans.

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 1a4f33)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216547

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The weirdest part of all of this to me is that there is a separation of genders in the first place.

I wrestled in highschool and there were no "boys" and "girls" teams, it was all mixed.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216548

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>>216547
Apparently, in average, men are about 20% stronger than women, and in most professional sports fields the best women contenders are only about average compared to men.
Source: I dunno I must have watched some Youtube videos about it or something

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 1a4f33)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216549

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>>216548
Wrestling isnt so much about strength though, girls always did just about as well as boys because they were nimble (plus the boys would get all nervous and clumsy haha).

Idk, never really thought it was weird i guess, they completed just fine, even at the varsity level.

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216550

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>>216549
Maybe wrestling, at least the kind you guys did, was different and it was better in terms of sex-equal...thingness.
That or at the age you did it the sex difference isn't too apparent yet.
That or since you didn't do it professionally, what little difference there is wasn't terribly important.

Vio Lette (phone)!qXZZ8NDkR. (ID: 25b280)Country code: au, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216551

This is why I think it's stupid to define "gender" as not just biological sex alone, but specifically biological sex OF BIRTH! What does that make post-op trans people? Women with penises and men with vaginas? Aren't those the type of terms transphobes reject?
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Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 1a4f33)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216552

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>>216550
Well it was highschool so age was 15-18.
Greco Roman style.

And idk if there is professional wrestling beyond highschool except the Olympics haha.

I dont think there has been a female state champion yet, but i dont see why there couldnt be.

iv been pinned by a girl haha
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PC (ID: 1963e3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216553

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>>216551
>What does that make post-op trans people

Dedicated larpers.

PC (ID: 1963e3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216554

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>>216552
>I've been pinned by a girl

Hot

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216555

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>>216551
I agree, and the reason is I think even a transgender person assumes how a male and female person must act. Due to that assumption, they find themselves out of the norms they have inside their own head.
If nobody assumed sex means anything more than "this person has this reproductive organ", then we wouldn't need to have an additional layer of social gender.

>>216552
I want a giant ship girl to pin me against the harbor.

Vio Lette (phone)!qXZZ8NDkR. (ID: 25b280)Country code: au, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216556

>>216552
I'm more into pro-wrestling myself, but I've heard competitive wrestling can tend to appear unintentionally sexual. Did it at all feel awkward wrestling girls, especially at that age?

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: 6e57c8)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216558

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The mad dash from these people to try and be deliberately offensive is kinda funny to watch.

> "This BOY shouldn't be allowed to participate against girls! Chromosomes, cutting off your dick, pretending, etc.! HE is a BOY, don't you guys get it?"


> "Well, yes, he is. He's an FtM boy, that's correct. Isn't it a shame how he has to compete against women due to these rules? Seems unfair."


> "Wait, SHE, I meant SHE is a GIRL, yes, still an abomination."


But it'll just end with them banning people on HRT from competition altogether. The current rules are surely just there out of spite, and when it's figured out that their purpose of humiliating trannies isn't working out, they'll just change again to get rid of the trannies altogether.
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Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 2407a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216559

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>>216554
Ik right?
>>216555
I hope you can experience that one day.

>>216556
Did it feel awkward?
Maybe the first time, but you got over it quick. We wernt there to have sex, we were there to compete and win.

I wrestled 171lbs weight class so there wernt many girls in that class, only like 4 in the state.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: c8f87f)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216560

>>216558
You just messed up and said MtF. :\

Thauma (ID: 5fec7b)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216561

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>>216559
Thank yoooou
Also you too

Mint horse (ID: 2eb3b2)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216564

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>>216499
I agree that this is pretty funny. But I still don't think he should be able to compete with biology men. You can change your hormones, but your bone structure and most other physical attributes will remain the same. It's unfair that a small minority is ginven an advantage at the expense of others. You could just have trans only spots, that should solve the problem.

Whelp (ID: 670848)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216571

>>216560

So I did. And I'm not at home, so I had to use ~mod magic~ to fix it.

But yes, that's my bad. I honestly mix up those terms a lot more than I'd like to admit.
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AustroSpike (ID: ab711a)Country code: at, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216578

How far into test/other shit that might drug up performance are we talking though?

Sport competitions are overserioused anyway (>giving a shit about Texan youth league), but the overall "fairest" solution within their systems regarding anyone that has no clear biological sex or didn't genderwise stick with their sex their whole post-puberty life is excluding them from official competitions altogether.
Unless we are talking things like pool billard, chess where any sex-related advantage is minimal.
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Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 1f39b1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216586

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>>216561
There is a marina by my house, but we use a mooring.

Whelp (ID: 670848)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216587

>>216578

Would make the most sense to just label hormone replacements as illegal drugs as far as competitions go, yes. Which makes you wonder why they didn't just do that in the first place.

Course, the answer to that is that they don't really care about fair competition, it's just more nonsense like that bathroom law in NC.

But yes, logically it would make the most sense to just ban hormone replacements altogether.

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 034f44)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216588

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Noonim (ID: ec0048)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216591

>>216499
I'm of the personal belief that anyone who wants to should be able to play boy sports, but, girls should obviously be limited to only girls given the inherent biological differences between the two. When it comes to FtM trans, they obviously shouldn't play women's sports as that's straight up just testosterone doping, frankly.

(ID: 025d8b)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216605

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At last the conservatives and liberals agree on something:

That is definitely a man.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 41ef02)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216615

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>>216605
Some of them tried to backpedal. But, like Ben Shapiro "correcting" himself after using female pronouns for Laverne Cox, they're not fooling anybody but themselves.

Vio Lette (phone)!qXZZ8NDkR. (ID: 25b280)Country code: au, country type: geoip, valid: 1  216629

>>216564
I have to disagree with that. The fact that he's doing so well against girls is a clear sign he's transitioned enough to be just as strong as cis-boys.

(ID: de243d)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  216635

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>>216564
No harm in letting him try.

Also the entire "trans only" think kind of defeats a major part of trying to transition: To feel more comfortable as the person you are. Being designated to 'trans only' areas doesn't really help matters because one of the main purposes of trying to pass is to live a normal life like everyone else does.


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