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APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW Anonymous (ID: b1d30d)Country code: ca, country type: geoip, valid:   215162

This political chart shown isn't how you do politics! Is it possible for everyone to have common ground? You should be a centrist like me!

Tracer Bullet (ID: db153c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215164

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Go away Steam Twist.

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215165

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>>215164
Is this actually Stem twist or are you being ironic again?

Tracer Bullet (ID: db153c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215167

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>>215165
I doubt Steam was smart enough to use a proxy for Canada, or had enough money to move there.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215172

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>Adam Smith
>not John Locke

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215173

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>>215162
these are pretty funny though

it seems to be making fun of everyone

>>215165
nah, but i could see him saying something like this

>>215172
thats what i was thinking

although one is good for rights and principles while adam smith focuses more on economics

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215175

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Post your 8values results

https://8values.github.io

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215176

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🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: a52d27)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215177

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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215178

>>215175
How can you be traditionalist but reject Enlightenment values tbh

The Enlightenment and liberalism basically created what you call "the west"

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. (ID: 5e6b2a)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215179

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>>215175

No surprises

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215180

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>>215175
i dont consider myself a neolib but meh

this thing is hardly ever accurate

is neo-liberalism and classical liberalism the same thing?

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215181

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>>215180
forgot to post the actual results

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215182

>>215180
Neoliberalism is "liberalism but with higher emphasis on free markets".

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215183

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>>215182
oh

i just want to people to own whatever gun they want and be left alone

thats about it

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215184

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>>215178
The west is thousands of years old, the enlightenment is only about 350 years old.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215185

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>>215183
Makes sense.

If I had to guess, what put you into neoliberal was anti-regulationist economic stances.

>>215184
Are you a feudalist, then? How far back do you want the west to go exactly?

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215186

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>>215185
i see

so adam smith was a neolib?
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Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215187

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>>215185
I don't want the west to go backwards, I want it to go forwards, just not in the way you may intend it to go.

National socialism is at it's core a progressive ideology. But if I had to choose a time period I'd say 1933-1945, for obvious reasons.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. (ID: 5e6b2a)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215188

>>215186

give me your memes.

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215189

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Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215190

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>>215188
This ones quite good.

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215193

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>>215192
What?

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215194

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>>215192
yes i can and i will

Hauptmann (ID: 1b3ea2)Country code: jp, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215195

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>>215194
thanks, best efchan board is bacc

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Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215197

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>>215194
What are you guys talking about?

Hauptmann (ID: 1b3ea2)Country code: jp, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215198

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>>215197
n-nothing.

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215199

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>>215197
just some shit that existed on a old chan that is no longer with us

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215200

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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215201

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>>215186
Adam Smith was a liberal economist formulating his theories through the humanist lens of Enlightenment moral philosophy (illustrated in his precursor to the Wealth of Nations, Theory of Moral Sentiments) as a proposed alternative to mercantilism, who retroactively came to be called a classical liberal and classical economist to distinguish his ideas from those of social liberalism which, continuing down the humanist path, arose in the 1800s.

Neoliberalism as it's known today arose in the late 20th century and was instead a response to Keynesian economics, and in some ways a rejection of humanism. The differences are in part the environments and paradigms they arose in response to, and in part which kinds of government interference they were/are most critical of, as well as their place in the context of the broader political (and moral) philosophies they're associated with. Classical liberal economic theory was critical of mercantilism for both the economic and social problems that accompanied it; neoliberalism concerns itself less with social issues in general.

>>215187
>National socialism is at it's core a progressive ideology.
Your 25.7% progressive score says otherwise.

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215202

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>>215201
oh, well this is why i cant consider myself a neoliberal

because social issues are still important to me

Mint horse (ID: b1c795)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215203

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>>215201
>your 25.7% progressive score says otherwise.

Really! When this test says "progressive" it really just means socially left wing.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215204

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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215205

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☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 2e2721)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215206

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Hmm. I would agree with this tbh

Vio Lette!qXZZ8NDkR. (ID: 803b9d)Country code: au, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215207

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Seems right to me.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215212

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>>215202
Do you think they should be important to market participants as well? Both producer and consumer?

>>215203
Yes, that was a bit sophistic of me. However, I would argue that as most of western society has, on the whole, been gradually shifting away from ethnocentrism over the course of the last few centuries, and you wish to revert back to it, your ideology necessarily entails "regressivism" in some capacity, which is, of course, the opposite of progressivism. Is this correct?

>>215205
>high spiritualism, altruism, asceticism
Based

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215213

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215214

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>>215212
starshine i have told you many times that i am fine with that

i just think it shouldn't be required by law for these things

but more how society deals with them naturally

however, if it calls for it then so be it

however things like anti-trust laws are a must

hell, im even fine with a socialized healthcare system if the taxes are reasonable and still allow for privatized healthcare

thats why i dont like these tests because political positions are more nuanced sometimes

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215215

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>>215214
>however things like anti-trust laws are a must
>hell, im even fine with a socialized healthcare system if the taxes are reasonable and still allow for privatized healthcare
Yeah, that doesn't sound very neolib t b h. Neolibs want everything private and everything deregulated, and essentially have an "out of sight, out of mind" stance on externalities. The more neolib you go, the closer you get to ancap.

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215216

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>>215215
all i want is a minimal government with very specific powers

pretty much constitutional limitations which i dont think it follows

not federally at least

thats why i prefer the term classical liberal for myself

i dont feel like a lot of regulations are a good thing either. but some are.

or just "liberal" but that term has been hijacked and matched for progressive
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Vio Lette!qXZZ8NDkR. (ID: 803b9d)Country code: au, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215217

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>>215162
I just realised something about OP; While they claim to be a centrist, they're being very demanding, thus they're also being authoritarian, which by the chart they posted makes them "Literally Hitler".

(ID: e80e22)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215218

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>>215216

The USA constitution was designed to let wealthy landowners rule over us with impunity, so I'm not a big fan, honestly. What about the universal declaration of human rights?

(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215220

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>>215218
no, that's literally not even true lol

who even told you that?

the constitution was designed to give the federal government very specific enumerated powers and more power to the states respectively. it's the bedrock of a federalist government

you know that thing that is designed to keep government on leash like its suppose to do?

the bill of rights is part of it which is designed to show government that it cannot violate certain rights

these rights exist regardless of its written or not

>united nations

meaningless

not a fan of globalist government
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Mk17 (ID: 589f8b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215224

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>>215218
>The USA constitution was designed to let wealthy landowners rule over us with impunity
Assume i know nothing, and explain to my why this is.

Noonim (ID: b460f8)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215225

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>>215162
Gas the centrists along with the jews and the bourgeois so that we can all equally own all the property in accordance with the NAP

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215226

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>>215216
Which regulations do you think can be a good thing, aside from anti-trust laws?

How do you feel about environmental regulations in particular? Opposition to these is one of the top priorities for modern neoliberals, and in my opinion the most harmful. While opposing them does not in itself make you a neolib, it is something I would have to ask you to justify pragmatically, not merely idealistically.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2017/jul/17/neoliberalism-has-conned-us-into-fighting-climate-change-as-individuals

>>215218
Why don't we have both?

J (ID: 8ff353)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215227

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>>215162
Imagine inferring any solid enough correlation between positions on completely unrelated issues, that you can actually form a multidimensional structure, with whatever number of dimensions, from it.

Imagine thinking people aren't just fundamentally self-serving, and won't pick and choose whatever grab bag of unrelated positions happens to benefit their selves whenever they can.
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>>215226
believe it or not i actually appreciate environmental regulations

i dont want to see land become junkyards and concrete jungles like LA

nor do i want shit floating into our water

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215229

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(ID: c1366b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215230

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>>215229
i mean, you know i appreciate the everglades and parks

and the beach

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215269

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>>215218

>UN

>Human Rights
>No right to bear arms

J (ID: 964abd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215272

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>>215218
>global empires imposing demands on nations is better than geopolitical empires imposing demands on nations
Yeah, choke on dog diarrhea and get your corpse chummed m8, it's still imperialism even if you do it under the guise of spooks like """"""rights.""""""

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 2e2721)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215279

>>215269
Yeah, nope. Everyone's gotta wear sweaters.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215286

>>215279

I don't understand

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 2e2721)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215289

>>215286
Can't bare arms, so you have to wear sweaters!

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 59dce3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215290

>>215289

...OHHHH

I'm dumb, disregard

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>>215269

Personally I think the UN is shit too, but it's slightly less shitty shit. I have to wonder though, if the right to bear arms has ever made a difference in history. Those stories where it seems to always end with something like "And then 10,0000000 police/army murdered everybody with high caliber rifles that shoot jet planes, then talked about how civilized and responsible they were as they scuffed the bloody corpses under the rug."

>>215272

So it's perfectly okay if nations impose demands on you, and you only start protesting if nations impose demands on other less big nations?

(ID: 57d118)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215516

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>>215507
> but it's slightly less shitty shit. I have to wonder though, if the right to bear arms has ever made a difference in history.
well yeah, of course it has

hell, the american civil war itself was called upon modern militias during its time

the 2nd amendment will always be needed

at least to those who arent cowards

Mk17 (ID: 589f8b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215530

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J (ID: 7b4b31)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215587

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>>215507
>implying anyone still thinks any authority is legitimate
>implying anyone but maybe a BDSM masochist actually fucking wants to have his autonomy subsumed to the will of the collective
>implying we don't all want anarchy, but some of us just think it's impossible to attain at this state, while others are convinced the only reason it's never existed is because the existence of force anywhere guarantees that hierarchies will reestablish under their own rules because that's what human beings do


I get it, I've heard the schtick before. History is a bitter cruel joke of a story about the innocent, the weak, and the single-minded repeatedly getting buttfucked into oblivion by social hierarchy. If there's any solution possible that 100% obliterates the need and possibility of coercion and violence, we haven't seen an environment where it's tenable yet.

Maybe someday we'll reach that, but until that day, the best thing we humans can do in the meantime is take little steps to make sure every conceivable power governing over us is as gridlocked, fragmented, and paralyzed as possible. Since larger governments tend to demand more and more from the people they govern, I'd say our best bet is to keep things as local as possible, ergo federal authority > global authority even if the global one is more "modernized." I will die on my feet before the day I see my rights dictated to me by a council that includes the Chinese; they outnumber us a million to one and come from a culture and civilization that has no cognizance of personal liberty as we understand it.

I know it's shitty here, but the more I learn, the more apparent it becomes that it's shittier virtually everywhere else. Except maybe Europe, and they'll be a scrap pile within two decades.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: c0caa5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215600

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>>215587
BDSM masochist here, keep your government off my autonomy

(ID: 2604fd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215606

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here's what congress should do

pass a law to keep it to one time format

either choose daylight saving time permanently

or keep as it is now

having to switch it every few months seems pointless

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: a99b4a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215702

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>>215587

> Except maybe Europe, and they'll be a scrap pile within two decades.


Least most European countries' populations are slowly learning, and they have voting systems in place that allow for actual change. Watch America's population continue to be fucked over by the rich, with the population practically scrambling over themselves to vote for what they think is the slightly lesser of two evils.

J (ID: 7b4b31)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  215707

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>>215702
I don't totally disagree, but I'm not hopeful. I've heard pretty solid cases that the shitfire you and yours were forced to endure came at least significantly at the hands of big money likewise, not just the people's will.


Does make it seem strange you worked to come here.

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: a99b4a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  215719

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>>215707

Well, yeah. The immigration shit is entirely due to wealthy elites. It's pretty simple really - as less kids are born over time, they'd eventually have to start paying more in wages as the available pool of workers decrease. They saw a solution to that "problem" in the form of migrants that, in their eyes, would eventually become profitable (For them, not for the country as a whole, they don't give a shit about that), and by turning it into a moral issue, they can divert attention away from the reality of what's going on, and make people act against their own best interest. The benefit to most European countries' systems, though, is that they allow for other political parties besides the major ones to gain power, so the big parties can't just agree on doing things one way, and then drag the people along, because if they do, someone else will rise up to fill the needs of the people. But in America, the GOP and the DNC merely need to agree on certain things and then disagree on nonsense that doesn't actually matter to most people, but still gets them voting (Abortion, LGBT rights, that kinda stuff), and they'll get people voting simply based on those nonsense issues, while the big picture stuff remains unchanged. Can't do that in Europe.

As an example, Denmark had the laxest asylum laws in the world back in the 80s, and the major political parties all agreed that this worked out great. But enough people were sick of that shit that they were able to vote a new anti-immigration political party into parliament, where they managed to gain enough power that the major players couldn't simply ignore them. They still exist to this day, and the biggest players have adopted some of their policies recently, despite calling them racists and other horrible things back in the 80s and 90s. Meanwhile, other pro-immigration parties also still exist, making sure that everyone's still represented. It's by no means a perfect system, but I'd argue that it's much better than the US one in terms of checks and balances, politically speaking.

As for why I'm here? Honestly, I find that I thrive in the US working force. It's pretty much entirely meritocratic in nature as long as you get into a half-decent company, and I do well in that sort of environment. Hell, I even had a meeting yesterday with my boss that confirmed as much - been at my current job for a few months now, and my probation review yesterday resulted in a nice raise and some high praise, and a promise of a promotion as soon as they felt like they could reasonably move me up from my current position (Since the higher-ups prefer that we stay where we are for at least a while). I've got health care, I've got vacation days, sick days, dental, vision, the whole nine yards. So as far as I'm concerned, it's great. But when I see, you know, people getting fucked over by the system while the rich get richer, it rubs me the wrong way.

Just because it works for me, doesn't mean I have to like it as a whole, y'know?

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>>215587

Well that's uh... negative. You might want to look into the quality of life in the British colonies before the USA was formed, if you want some indication that we are improving as a society, because holy crap was society fucked up back then.

My concern isn't the size of government, so much as the extent of its power. Anarchy doesn't require the absence of government, because who's gonna order people not to order people around? So giving power and freedom to individuals, and avoiding massive power imbalances... basically it all comes down to the wealth disparity. Fix that and you're golden. Don't fix that, and you're screwed even if you're the unincorporated, perpetually warring, ten thousand city-states of Fuckyouistan.

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>>216343
>we are improving as a society
I'd argue the reason this is allowed to happen is because technology increases the quality of life as it's developed. This effect shouldn't be mistaken for the democratization of nations that happened near in time to the industrial revolution: technology can strengthen the slavers just as easily as ordinary individuals. The power of a tyrant scales up with the infrastructure he controls, particularly in an age where most societally impactful innovations are in the information systems realm. Democracy - or, by extension, any system in which the lives of the many are even taken into consideration - is only possible when their labor is vital to the power of the lord they serve, and moreso when the labor of each individual becomes more significant. This is why the black death paved the way for the formation of a middle class - a labor economy, but with fewer individual workers, placed more value on each individual worker's effort, giving each individual more leverage. When automation all but totally obsolesces the human element, there will be absolutely no reason for the ruling class not to genocide away all the lower classes who are not meaningfully contributing and just occupy space their own fiefdoms could be using.


>Anarchy doesn't require the absence of government, because who's gonna order people not to order people around?


Who's going to make any and all threats of violence, not only socially detrimental, but entirely physically impossible?
As long as natural innate differences exist between individuals, and they will unless we engineer humans to be genetically identical, there will always be those stronger than others, and those who are stronger will find a way to compel others to serve them for their own interests. History is mostly a broken record of the like happening over and over and over.
Why even entertain the idea that humans are morally above that when we have proof it's occurred so many times? What, do we chalk all the savagery up to environment and assume this all goes away once technology raises the standards of living? Because that hasn't stopped old and new money alike from using these infrastructures to retain their dominion. Yeah, we might be fine and dandy and cooperative when you place 150 or less of us in a nice padded environment with all the amenities we need AND assume a history that wasn't already indelibly scarred with the conquests of old lords, but that's just not the context we're working in, and I don't see how the self-perpetuating nature of power would allow it to ever give way, in our lifetimes or afterwards.


There's a whole group of people who like to argue that technically humans evolved as altruistic creatures and that should be a basis for how our societies are structured, but frankly that all derives from our knowledge biology and archaeology, while meanwhile we have eons of recorded history that shows our species behaving radically different after prehistory. Maybe they're right, maybe we're not our genes, but regardless, the environment is marked with the scars of history and we can't turn the clock back to the stone age again without killing most people and removing all the redeeming value of life for most of the survivors.

There's also the problem that kin selection, the genetic mechanism that allows altruistic genes to not just get replaced by selfish genes in the first place, can't even happen without high genetic similarity, which means societies that actively preserve their own genetic integrity will last longer than those that don't, thus selecting for ethnocentrism in eusocial creatures.
If you try to build a society directly on a foundation of human cooperation, you'll either end up with an ethnostate, or your selfish genes outbreeding your altrustic and your society collapsing.


>So giving power and freedom to individuals, and avoiding massive power imbalances... basically it all comes down to the wealth disparity.

Gg m8.


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