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fleur (ID: b29422)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid:   194180[Last 50 Posts]

How are you homolords voting? My main concerns are guns, weed, not being hastled by the man, isolationist policies (We should close our boarders, fuck off world we're full) and fixing our homeless problems with institutions and work programs like we had in the depression.

Murrika!

(ID: 853c7f)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194183

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>voting

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194186

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to be honest im gonna vote straight republican

i would vote for a democrat if we had any JFK types

but those dont exist here in florida its just the insane "progressive" types

nothing the dems are suggesting appeals to me at all

this election is a lot more important than the presidential election because it's a lot more local

thats really why i dont care much about the house and senate
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Tracer Bullet (ID: f888f3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194190

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I'm not.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194191

>>194186 what do you think of the amendments?
I'm thinking 'no' on 9 & 10 and 'yes' on the rest.
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Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194192

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>>194180
Looking over my sample ballot, Im forced to go pretty much all Repub this time too.

Its going to be a close race for governor, i think /ourguy/ my squeak it though.

We are fucked as far as our Attorny General. The choices we have are a guy who thinks AR15s fire exploding bullets, and a dude who got arrested for selling weed 2 weeks ago.

Im voting for the weed dude, but i dont think its going to work out. haha.
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(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194193

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>>194191
honestly kinda with you on those choices actually

i need to re-read these again though

i really like amendment 5 because it makes it harder for government to raise taxes

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194194

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>>194183
>>194190
Let the adults handle this.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194195

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>>194192
>The choices we have are a guy who thinks AR15s fire exploding bullets, and a dude who got arrested for selling weed 2 weeks ago.
fucking LOL

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194196

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>>194192 that's pretty funny
>>194193 yeah, I really like 4 & 5.
6 I'm unsure about. It has some good things, but also sounds like expanding the sex offender registry to cover all crimes, which sounds shitty.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194197

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>>194196
6 has me seriously confused honestly

it just sounds a lot more tricky than the others

i like amendment 3 as well

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194198

>>194197 Yeah, I'm not sure what the default is for 3, but requiring a vote isn't bad by my estimation.
6 is part of a national movement to get this same law passed in every state - this from the Georgia version:
Marsy's Law explained
They threw in some random extra provisions about judge retirement???
I dunno, seems iffy.
here's the Florida version: Florida's proposed constitutional amendments explained: Amendment 6
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(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194199

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>>194198
...i just dont know about this

to me it doesnt seem like its going to do much here

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194200

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>>194199 I dunno. the more I look into it, the more I dislike it. the road to hell and whatnot

oh, also I forgot 13. not sure about that one. tempted to vote no.
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(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194201

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>>194200
i am with you on that

to me it sounds more and more like guilty until proven innocent

13 i dont know because is it really that harmful?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194202

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>>194201 I'm honestly not sure. on the one hand, it's rights against the accused. and on the other it's rights against the convicted. I think if the prosecution wanted your testimony, they'd have called for you?

13. yeah, same. As far as I'm aware, the dogs love racing. Maybe there are unscrupulous owners who mistreat them but that can apply to any dog, so I don't see the problem.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194203

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>>194202
yeah, to me it seems like a double-edged sword

yeah, they are breed to race as well

this one just doesnt make much sense to me

but at the same time i can why they would want it prohibited

man, some of these amendments are real doozy's because you really have to think about them

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194204

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>>194195
>>194196

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-10-04/compassion-party-candidate-arrested-in-rhode-island-on-marijuana-charges
We are a weird little piece of the world haha. Dude is pretty cool though, so im still voting for him. In fact, a bunch of people are haha. I hope to hell he wins. But his wife for governor... that would be going a bit too far.

One thing that is cool is my town banned political parties last year, so this is the first election where all the candidates had to run on their own merit and without party backing.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194205

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>>194203 it doesn't help that it's difficult to get an unbiased take on a lot of them. but I'm probably going to vote no on 6, 9, 10,and 13 now that I've thought about it a bit more.
>>194204 wow, that's crazy
and that's awesome about banning parties!
48 pounds, holy shit!
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(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194206

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>>194204
thats pretty damn funny actually

hope he does wins for that reason alone

and also better than the other one going full retard about the AR15

>>194205
yeah, im gonna re-read these when i get there and decide from there

so far, i am likely going with no on those

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194207

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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194208

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>>194206 anything interesting in your local election? we have a code of ethics proposal and a vacant judge slot to fill.
>>194207 nice

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194209

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>>194205
>that's awesome about banning parties!
Yeah, its something my town actually did right which is pretty cool.

>48 pounds, holy shit!

People are pretty sure it was politically motivated. No one gets in trouble for just having weed around here, and these people never had a problem till they started running for stuff.

I mean, they are insane, according to the news, the wife (who is running for governor god bless her) told the judge at the arrangement not to call it "marijuana" because it was a racist term haha. But still, would be funny if he was AG.

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: 61646a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194210

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I can't vote, so it doesn't matter to me. Just gotta go with whatever happens. I read the Oregon ballots, though, and most of the choices seemed pretty fucking obvious. The Republicans didn't exactly bring their A-game here. But can't vote, so whatever.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194211

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>>194209 based

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194212

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>>194207
the original ben garrison edits will be the funniest

>>194208
i am gonna be honest i haven't been looking up much on the judges...

however, i do know who to vote for when it comes to mayor

it just sucks because there isnt really that much information about local officials

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194213

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>>194212 I'm not going to vote for the local ones I know nothing about. what's worse, voting without information, or not looking it all up? I don't know where to get info on random judge #4 that isn't going to take me hours to sift through.

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194214

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>>194210
Still pretty cool that you looked into it. Being informed is still important, if your here long enough to get the vote, you are ahead of the game.

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194215

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>>194213
Cant you just search the name?

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194216

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>>194213
are you allowed to skip people you dont want to vote for?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194217

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>>194215 I mean... I'd have to research the specific cases and then their specific votes on the cases. That's a lot of work.
>>194216 yes.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194218

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: c5cb9a)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194219

I got the ballot in the mail, but didn't feel like filling it out. Everything I ever vote for dies.

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: 61646a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194220

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>>194214

Well, yeah, I can apply for citizenship in a bit under two and a half years. I plan on doing as much.

One of the amendments struck me as really fucking weird, though. It was an amendment to ban sales tax on groceries. Which was weird, because... Oregon doesn't have sales tax. I see that, and I think to myself, there's no fucking way there isn't some shady shit behind this.

There's also one that really has people up in arms. It's about getting rid of some sanctum laws or some shit that keeps illegals from being sent back in Oregon, which a lot of people here really don't wanna get rid of. I'd vote to get rid of whatever that is, personally, but it's apparently a huge issue this time around.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194221

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>>194217
i always thought they would invalidate it if you do that

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194223

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>>194221 nope!
>>194215 I am finding some debates between the judges. they're only an hour each. bit of a tl;dw included, though

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194225

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194226

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>>194221
Nope. You can just go vote for one person on the whole ballot and it still counts.

>>194220
The sales tax thing leads me to believe your state is about to pass a sales tax, and they want to try to protect groceries from it. Funny enough, they probably want to pass that tax to pay for the illegals.

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194227

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>>194223
Thats not bad. Worth a listen anyway. Have it on instead of music or something.

It is kind of 0 hour haha.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194228

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>>194227 yeah I should stop being lazy I guess

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194235

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>>194225
yeah im not sure either, really

just hoping our state doesnt elect the wrong people

>>194226
ah, well thats good to know

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194261

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I'm rewatching the governors debate from a few days ago...

If Al doesn't win, we are so fucked.

Our current governor is just up there, lying her ass off. Also admitting that she coaxed this other guy to run to take votes away from him. Shes such and arrogant fuck.

She has spent more time fundraising in other states than taking care of ours. She is literally Hillary Clintons best friend, and you can imagine what kind of person that is.

I really hope the people of this state are smarter than to vote her back in. She has fucked us over for her own stock portfolio so many times and so blatantly that its sickening.

I really think they are smarter than that, but still, i worry.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194267

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>>194235 we'll find out soon enough! in that interview I linked you, Trump specifically calls out Gillum's handling of Tallahassee and the murder rate :d
>>194261 wow, that's terrible

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194272

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>>194261
now you know how boats and i feel with andrew gillum

a self-proclaimed democratic socialist pushing for the usual cookie cutter things

wanting a income tax which we dont have and trying to fund all these "free things"

>>194267
>Trump specifically calls out Gillum's handling of Tallahassee and the murder rate
that's actually true and it shows that same county has the highest murder rate than any other county

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194275

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>>194267
>wow, that's terrible
Yeah, whats worse is the person she hired to run is getting all the MAGA non-thinkers by just parroting random Trump-like phrases about "cleaning up capitol hill" ...
Its really annoying. Luckily again, Independents out number Republicans and Democrats combined in this state, so the few people who are for this dude, even though we KNOW he supports the Democratic governor, are just dumb ass meme lords.

>>194272
>now you know how boats and i feel with andrew gillum
Try living with it for 4 years, scared of going on 8.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194276

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>>194275
yeah, that has got to suck

hopefully it wont be our turn to deal with the bullshit

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194284

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>>194276
>hopefully it wont be our turn to deal with the bullshit
I hope so too, for your sake.

And I hope our nightmare can come to an end.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194290

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>>194284
yeah, our state cant deal with that...

were already beginning to grow a little more

(ID: 48ad0e)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194296

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>>194194
Okay there. I'll just finish my 14 hour day managing a small business where I had to write checks to pay my 28 employees.

That way the "adults" can argue about politics in the internet.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194304

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>>194296
I'd do adult things with you.
Like grinding dungeons.
Doing quests.
And get frustrated at raid bosses!

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194305

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>>194296
Yup, and tomorrow I'm going into my job that i cut my own hours from instead of laying people off, for no pay, to cover shifts so that everyone can get out and go vote.

But i only manage 20 employees.

Maybe its different after 21.

(ID: 48ad0e)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194306

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>>194305
That seems like a waste of effort.

Voting is like being a Free to Play player in a game with a subscription. You can do the basics but no one actually cares about you. All the attention is going to go to the people that actually pay.

So you can make suggestions, sure. But at the end of the day the choices are going to fall in the direction of the people shoveling money at the people making the decisions.
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Anonymous (ID: 26c6af)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194311

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Not voting. My policy is not to vote unless I've planned sufficiently in advance, otherwise any vote I cast is a tool of the enemy. There's a bare minimum of education on the issues and political landscape voters should be required to understand before they can participate, yet we have corrupt shit like offering free pizza and parties to young people just when the register and vote.

Fuck consent of the governed. Cattle shouldn't be given the right to vote against being eaten, and tardos shouldn't get to vote on being allowed to lie in the street while the rest of the world is ready to pave over them.

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194314

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>>194306
I know. Im just a big 'ol dummy. Obviously your plan is working well, cali seems to be doing alright.

Btw i had another dream you were in. We broke mikies printer and we were trying to fix it before he got back, but also we were at this big apartment complex / student dorm thing on top of a mountain and there was a huge party going on. This was like a week ago, but i forgot about it till now haha.

Mk17 (ID: cd4c95)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194322

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>>194311
>tardos
Thats a new one for me.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194327

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>>194311 you mean, you don't just show up on election day and pick the candidates whose names you like best? how un-American.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: f878d6)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194333

>>194327
That's what I did on the pretend ballot they gave me, when I was in kindergarten and my grandma let me go with her.

(ID: 860922)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194348

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Well, what the politicians are allowing you to vote on is limited to the useless and ineffective at best. Even if you actually want to vote on something, it'll get overwhelmed by all the crazy party liners voting according to the marketing campaign that motivated them. So it doesn't matter.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't vote. Go ahead and vote if it's not too much trouble, and you actually think the resolution will have a positive effect on your life. To have any hope of positive change though, you have to do activist stuff other than voting. Like making friends, banding together, helping each other financially, protecting each other, saving money by living together, unionizing, marching, campaigning, singing...

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194349

>>194333 gotta learn early!
>>194348 South Park: La resistance
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Mk17 (ID: 514764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194350

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>>194349
And when your standing there, in the voting booth, staring at that ballot, dont forget to ask yourself one thing...
What would Brian Boitano do?

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194351

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>>194348
>activist stuff
depends on what type of "activist" stuff you mean

there is some types of activism that is flat out toxic and only makes their image and what they represent look just as bad

sometimes it does more harm than good

Mk17 (ID: 514764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194352

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>>194351
>depends on what type of "activist" stuff you mean

>Like making friends, banding together, helping each other financially, protecting each other, saving money by living together, unionizing, marching, campaigning, singing...


Really not a bad sentiment tbh.
esp the
>Like making friends, banding together, helping each other financially, protecting each other, saving money by living together

part. I'm all for that tbh.

(ID: 1ff28b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194353

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>>194352
oh no im not saying those things are bad

im just saying some forms of activism is awful (ie: street screechers who repeat the same lines over and over again, and drown out people trying to speak with annoying sounds)
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Mk17 (ID: 514764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194354

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>>194353
Yup, that is true.

Honestly though..
>Like making friends, banding together, helping each other financially, protecting each other, saving money by living together
I've never really thought about this as being "activism" and im kind of digging the idea.
I've always thought of it and lived that way, I've always argued that its the closest to "real communism" that you could get. But its kind of romantic to call it activism, and yeah... its really nice.
>>194348
Thanks!

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>>194354
i dunno, i just call it a discussion

but activism works too

i like civil activism the most

Mk17 (ID: 514764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194356

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>>194355
Well, i think it more of a lifestyle choice, to band together.

Honestly, i think its going to be important.

Add in learn to produce your own food, and that is basically my philosophy.

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>>194356
that works too!

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194363

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>>194350 he'd kick the person in the next booth and skate away, obviously

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>>194180
I'm a environmentalist libertarian nationalist so I'm voting for someone who lets me keep my guns drugs and rights but is also aware that our world doesn't have infinite resources and has the thought process of chinks. Speaking of chinks I'll vote for anyone who will tax the shit outta chinks and generally try their best to screw them over.

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>>194226

Actually, I looked into it (Due to one of the against arguments mentioning this fact), and there are no plans to add sales tax whatsoever. So that's just weird. The for arguments were all "This will just make sure that blah blah, so why not?" and the against arguments were about how it's meant to hurt small business owners somehow, and I can't help but feel that there has to be something at play there that I'm not getting.

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>House prediction was 86% democrats an hour ago
>now 85.9%
How does Nate Silver keep getting away with this?

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>>194180
>My main concerns are guns, weed, not being hastled by the man, isolationist policies (We should close our boarders, fuck off world we're full) and fixing our homeless problems with institutions and work programs like we had in the depression.
Pretty similar.

>>194186
>to be honest im gonna vote straight republican
What about their stances on marijuana, LGBT issues, and abortion?

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Also, I already voted early by mail.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194389

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>>194385
>What about their stances on marijuana, LGBT issues, and abortion?
interestingly enough they dont really speak much about those two issues

at least i havent looked much about them for florida

as for abortion. that's something that i honestly dont think about nor bother to research on

so i cant base that as in issue

when it comes to florida i care more about economic factors and democrats are not the right people to guide florida on the right path

i mean, the mayor of tallahassee cant even keep control of his own city let alone the entire state

because at the end of the day i will have to live in the state
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194391

>>194390 he's going to win thanks in no small part to his race baiting

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>>194391
yeah, unfortunately that seems to be case

unless the silent lass minute voters come out to vote

which i am one of them

which is funny because apparently they get these polling predictions from surveys

i havent answered a single one and it seems others havent from what ive heard

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194394

>>194390
>interestingly enough they dont really speak much about those two issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Rick_Scott.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ron_DeSantis.htm

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194395

>>194392 I actually got a legit survey call a couple of months ago. as opposed to a fake campaign-as-survey call.
I think polls skew slightly Democrat because conservatives tend to be more concerned with privacy and are more likely to not answer surveys.

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>>194394
ah there we go

thank you

i have been trying to find that

>>194395
>I think polls skew slightly Democrat
i read the other day since 2014 polls usually mostly set up on telling media outlets on what they want to here

dunno how accurate that is

because there is one poll showing that republicans will still retain the house

so who knows

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194398

>>194396 we'll find out soon enough!

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!Vilci..jP. (ID: 8badf6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194403

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I'm just gonna vote for things that don't remove any of my human rights, and ideally help me get closer to having equal rights.
That's all I can afford to care about right now tbh. Hilarious how we call this a civilized country.

My vote won't matter anyway though. I live in Washington DC, we all always vote the exact same way on everything. Because everyone who actually lives here is very politically knowledgeable, since it's DC and all, and only uneducated hicks vote the other way. Plus, we are mainly minorities, giving us extra incentive.

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>>194403
>Hilarious how we call this a civilized country.
>Because everyone who actually lives here is very politically knowledgeable, since it's DC and all, and only uneducated hicks vote the other way.
and this is precisely why the state of american politics isn't going your way. it's this type of elitism that makes me people wanna distance further and further away from you

simply something though isn't it? DC is our nations capitol and it's a crime ridden junkyard
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>>194404
I really don't care anymore. We tried to be nice to the bloody hillbillies, and they ran over us with fucking cars and terrorized our streets with tiki torches. The time to pretend that the right is anything but dangerous terrorists is over. Pretending they're equals is the only thing giving them power at this point.

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>>194408
you mean the alt-right?

well shit, even i agree they arent worth shit

fringe groups in general are the ones who are small minority

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>>194408
The natural consequences of your political wing kowtowing to the dangerous Syrian thugs and deigning to call native citizens the terrorists for wanting to protect themselves.
People deserve power to protect themselves as a default state and your political cult has all but stripped people of the agency to shell themselves from third-world vandals. Corner a wolf and it will strike.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194412

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First polls close in 5 hours and 35 minutes. It can't come quickly enough.

While 2016 was a bigger shitshow, I gotta say this one is stressing me out a lot more.

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>>194412
>I gotta say this one is stressing me out a lot more.
why? its polling for dems to apparently win the house?

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i feel like a lot of people are voting conservatively, not because they agree with a lot of the "traditional values" (anti-LGBT, anti-weed, etc) but because they hate a lot of liberal stereotypes and are just trying to spite them.

I've said this before, but the two sides have become way too extreme. People need to be more moderate, or at the very least, more flexible.
Regardless of how you feel about John McCain (I've disagreed with a lot of his policies too), I agree with something he said before he died. "Before I leave I'd like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations. I'd like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different."
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>>194409
They aren't the minority, though. The average "regular" Republican still wants to remove equal rights from multiple groups of people. At this point, it's disingenuous to call them "alt" - they're just the right. If you don't like that that's what the right is now, find/make a new party.

>>194410
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660

Snowbell (ID: 6b08b2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194416

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The local Libertarian candidate seems pretty good. Imma vote for him.

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>>194415
>The average "regular" Republican still wants to remove equal rights from multiple groups of people.
id like to see proof on that

i can for sure see it with boomer republicans but ones around my age range

nah

>>194416
thats awesome, wish he had more of those running

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>>194414
>but because they hate a lot of liberal stereotypes and are just trying to spite them.
this is not why i am doing it

i would be glad to vote democrat if we had the JFK types

but sadly it's the crazy "progressives"

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>>194413
Nate Silver gave Hillary a 72% chance and everyone else gave her above 90%. Polls aren't everything.

And I didn't particularly want her to win anyway.

>>194414
>but because they hate a lot of liberal stereotypes and are just trying to spite them
To a degree, yeah. But I think some are also just not as invested in social issues.

>>194416
Will you vote John McAfee 2020?

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>>194418
Maybe not trying to spite them in your case, but I've heard of a lot of people that seem to have that mindset. But it does seem like you're voting conservatively for that reason, sans spite.

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>>194414
The problem is that this entire generation is anti-establishment, for good reason, but all that's done is turn the political race into a race between which party is more anti-establishment, which doesn't even make any fucking sense - they are intrinsically both THE establishment.

Trump was smart enough to pretend he was against the establishment, and that's why he was elected, even though most people who voted for him didn't agree with his policies. And they will stick with him because the Democratic party is not lying about being anti-establishment at all - they still look like a pile of stuffy old people, which they are.
In the end, it comes down to the American people currently not wanting a government at all, and how the existing government is interacting with that. Currently, by role-playing as "bad boys", the Republican party is hoovering up a lot of those confused, anti-government voters.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194422

tbh the only election outcome I wasn't gonna be equally dissatisfied with in 2016 was the AZ ballot measure to legalize recreational weed

Alas, Arizona hates freedom

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>>194417
>id like to see proof on that
What difference does it make whether republicans in their 20s have different views from boomer republicans on social issues if the republicans on the ticket are boomer republicans with boomer republican views and policies?

Snowbell (ID: 6b08b2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194425

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The local Libertarian candidate looks pretty good. Imma vote for him.

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>>194419
makes sense

>>194420
i mean, if there was libertarians in this case or classical liberals it would be easy as piss to vote

but it's not, and these conservatives lean closer to my beliefs

again, these parties are just names. if there was a democrat that was like ron paul he/she would have my vote

but there is too much stupid shit these democrats are doing that i dont agree with

>>194424
then why even use such a blanket statement as "your average"? not everyone is a single-issue voter

which seems to be the case for yourself

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>>194415
Violence is the last form of criticism people can express when their voices are silenced.

I don't think civilian disarmament will be ineffective in decreasing violence. Nor do I anticipate an armed takeover of the government.
I truly believe silenced people should have one last path to direct action when all other forms of expression have been cut off, even if it's in the form of taking out random civilians. Because no society has the right to silence one pack of terrorists while warmly welcoming the other.

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>>194426
You can't be a single issue voter if you're not a voter at all. When it comes to elections I'm a literal NPC.

If I could be a single issue voter, though, I can't really deny that this particular issue would be a bit too important for me to not base my vote primarily on it. That's the way the cookie crumbles when one party has declared you their enemy and the other hasn't.

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>>194428
well, thats your prerogative and i see nothing wrong with that

i believe transgerder people deserve to treated well just like everyone else

i dont believe ifs the job of the federal government to create equality

although i also wouldnt oppose transgender protection either

>one party has declared you their enemy and the other hasn't.

aye, i get it. we have folks like don lemon saying us white people are a problem

and every insane twitter leftist bitching about us on a daily basis

i have no interest in people who want to vote that same party as well

Mk17 (ID: 514764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194431

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>>194368
>the against arguments were about how it's meant to hurt small business owners somehow
Haha, weird. A sales tax is a tax on small businesses, so protecting them from that doesn't seem like something that would hurt them.

Remember, its a sales tax, not a purchases tax, its just the cost get put on the consumer.

But your right, seems like some shady stuff is going on in the background.

>>194415
I cant believe you have read every republican candidates platform. The rebubs running here are extremely pro-lbgt. Hell the first openly gay person appointed to an administration here was appointed by a republican, and that was while Bill Clinton was signing laws banning gay marriage federally.

>>194428
There is nothing wrong with being a single issue voter if the issue is important enough. Its why we do this every 2 years. Sometimes you have to put up with some bullshit to protect that which matters.

If someone has a great budget plan, but wants to ban your right to get married or something else that effects your life dearly, and the other has not such a great budget but wants to protect your rights... err on the side of rights.

Thats my opinion.

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>>194348
I'll pass on most of this. Primarily the latter ones

I already know how this plays out and I'm not interested.

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: f2ed2b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194433

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I know I'll probably get roasted for this but I'm probably gonna vote all democrat (or at least democrat/independent). I try not to succumb to party allegiance but I really find myself siding with democrats on the vast majority of issues that are important to me. For example, as someone who is bisexual, and has known a lot of good trans people both online and IRL, I care pretty strongly about the protection of the LGBT community and you definitely don't vote red for that. The idea of a completely Trump-controlled congress also worries me very much.

That said, I understand that people on this site feel very differently and will be voting republican, and I don't have a problem with that, I don't think that needs to divide us as people, at least not in this community. If conservative ideals are more valuable to some people on an individual level, I can respect that and respect everyone's right to vote how they want.

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>>194433
that's a good enough for me honestly when it comes to the federal representatives

local and state i dont know

but at the end of the day its your choice

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>>194220
The grocery sales tax thing is an attempt by the soda industry to stop sugary beverage taxes from spreading to more cities. As much as I'm ambivalent about the soda taxes, it's terribly dishonest campaigning.

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>>194429
When will America start having (relevant) third parties?

>>194431
Thanks.

>>194433
That's a good philosophy.

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>>194438
for most part it seems like manufactured outrage when it comes to this. like kavanaugh, the #metoo movement, the caravan, etc.

and they base the entire election based on things like this instead of talking about foreign policy, debt, spending, the federal reserve, the fact government spies on us and liberty in general

so this is mainly why i am not surprised that either party could become a majority in either the house and senate

which is why i say state and local elections are so much more important

as for 3rd parties being relevant im not sure that is even possible anymore

!Vilci..jP. (ID: 1bff66)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194451

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>>194440
>the systematic oppression and rape of women is "manufactured outrage"
okay wow now i know your opinions are never worth shit

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>>194451
>the systematic oppression
lmao
>just because someone is accused of rape means that said person certainly did it
>guilty until proven innocent
>what is due process?
>nah, it's okay to ruin someones career without any proof or any substantial evidence because we believe the victim
okay wow now i know your opinions are never worth shit

see i can do that too

just like the others youre all about emotional outrage and dont care about whether something is true or not

prove it and we got a case to be made
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>>194451
Rape is not usually systematic.

sys·tem·at·ic
/ˌsistəˈmadik/
adjective
done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical.
"a systematic search of the whole city"
synonyms: structured, methodical, organized, orderly, planned, systematized, regular, routine, standardized, standard;


For rape to be systematic it would require an organized body overseeing when and where instances actually occur, and no such body exists. In general, rape is sporadic.

spo·rad·ic
/spəˈradik/
adjective
adjective: sporadic
occurring at irregular intervals or only in a few places; scattered or isolated.
"sporadic fighting broke out"
synonyms: occasional, infrequent, irregular, periodic, scattered, patchy, isolated, odd; More
intermittent, spasmodic, fitful, desultory, erratic, unpredictable;
nonconsecutive


To claim that rape is systematic is insulting to men, because it implies they are all in on some conspiracy and plan out rapes in advance, which is absolutely not the case. Most are done in the moment, without thought, usually while intoxicated. There is absolutely no planning or organization involved, thus it is not systematic.

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>>194457
A social system can exist without conscious planning or intention to participate therein.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194461

>>194452
None of that has anything to do with #metoo.
Do you think victims of abuse shouldn't even state their case unless they're sure they can win it?

>>194457
I'm pretty sure she meant to say "systemic".

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194462

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Voted for legalized marijuana

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>>194461
i didnt know which part she meant to reply to

thought she was replying to the kavanugh shit

>Do you think victims of abuse shouldn't even state their case unless they're sure they can win it?

they can state it all they want and i encourage they do

what i meant at the fact that i think it is manufactured outrage is because at first the #metoo movement started out genuine

but to me, now it just seems like it is completely exploited by media and politicians

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>>194463
Well I assumed she was mainly focusing on the #metoo part because Kavanaugh is one person and #metoo is a widespread thing, and she's talking about the system, so...the second one made more sense.

>but to me, now it just seems like it is completely exploited by media and politicians

Didn't it kinda die out as soon as that happened? Seems to me the genuine part succeeded and the manufactured part died out quickly. So for you to throw in the whole movement under "manufactured outrage" seems way off.

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>>194466
im pretty sure its still being exploited but sure

i guess after today it should have finally fully die out
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Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194470

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I hope after this twitter shuts the fuck up about going to vote. It's been months like that, I only wan fun shit and porn in there.

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>>194470
it will

tomorrow things should go back to normal on twitter

im getting the same shit on twitter and i just want the silly stuff back

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>>194458
It's still not systematic. >>194461 is correct, that would be systemic. There is quite a big difference.
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!Vilci..jP. (ID: 1bff66)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194480

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>>194477
I got autocorrected, yeah. I exclusively phonepost, fun fact. It is indeed intended to say systemic.

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>>194480
I feel that rape is not entirely evenly spread out because of biological reasons more than social ones.

I honestly believe that there are more male on female rapes than vice-versa due strictly to how male and female anatomy works. It is MUCH more difficult for a woman to rape a man simply because a man actually has to be aroused for intercourse to occur, which is not true for women. I personally believe that if sex was more evenly distributed as far as the requirements of it between both genders, it would be a much more standard problem between both sexes.

Simply put, a man can rape a woman whether she is aroused or not. A woman cannot rape a man unless he is aroused, and if he does not want to be raped, then getting him aroused is difficult or next to impossible. These are physical limitations of the human body which I feel is the main culprit for the one-sidedness of the issue.


Edit: I also almost exclusively post from my phone as well, hence the reason I have to constantly fix shit in my posts.
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!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: dc2f48)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194486

>>194483
So then, do you think women inappropriately grope just as often as men do, since all that takes is a hand?

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>>194486
I think it happens a lot, the difference is that I feel men usually don't bother to say anything about it because they either generally enjoy it or at this point are too scared of claiming a woman did anything to them for fear of retaliation of the feminist movement.

I believe men are sexually assaulted quite often by women, especially from women they aren't interested in, but instead of going to the cops or complaining to the media, they just get the fuck out as soon as possible and then tell their friends about it.

See, society gives both men and women raw deals but in different ways. Women in the fact that they are generally not allowed to be openly sexual, due to being accused of being a slut, whore, or damaged goods.

On the flip side, men grow up knowing they are not a 'protected class' and know that reporting instances of abuse is pointless. As such men grow up to teach their sons to 'suck it up' and 'stop being a pussy' cause they know that if they don't learn how to deal with abuse on their own they will be eaten alive by society, unless they happen to be gay, in which case society coddles them for fear of being labeled homophobic.

Straight men have to just grin and bare bullshit, such as being talked down to, abused or even molested by women or even other men, because they know society will NEVER see a straight man as a victim, so there is no point in trying to say something about it.

Of course, this just makes it seem like straight men are the only ones never abused and therefore at the top of the food chain, but the reality is that society just doesn't give a shit about them, they know it, so they don't bother asking for help.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194490

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>>194483
>It is MUCH more difficult for a woman to rape a man simply because a man actually has to be aroused for intercourse to occur
Also because an "average male" will typically be stronger than an "average female"

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>>194490
I feel that is generally less of a factor, but I won't deny it does play a part in the discrepancy.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194493

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>>194492
Not universally of course, but I'd think in some situations it can make things more frightening for the woman.

Say if a man gets sexually assaulted by a woman, them simply leaving with some uncomfort probably isn't uncommon.

But if a woman gets sexually assaulted by a man, in addition to the general uncomfort, they could be wondering if the man might attempt or be able to physically prevent them from making their escape to safety.

Even if the man never actually does make that attempt to hold them, the fact that they could might add to the trauma.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194495

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well just got voting

will see how this shit show goes

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194496

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>>194495
When's a good time frame for when we start getting results in?

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>>194493
While that may be true, you can not and should not prosecute someone based on potential. Even if the man can snap you in half like a twig, if he doesn't actually do anything to you, you cannot use that against him.

I think another reason women are less likely to sexually assault men is because of what I touched on earlier: Society frowns on women being openly sexual. If a woman makes sexual advances on a man, people think she is easy, slutty or whatever when the reality is she may just really like the guy. This causes a lot of problems for both genders, because women are restricted in what they can do and men now feel obligated to be the one to make the first move, only now doing so also comes with a chance of a prison sentence.

Society is painting itself into a corner in regards to it's sexuality, and if it keeps going in the direction it's currently headed we will have a similar crisis to what is currently happening in Japan: Men and women are too scared to approach each other and birth rates plummet.

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No one wants to hear it but here are the facts:

"Rape Culture" is not a thing. That doesn't mean rape doesn't happen, but society does NOT promote rape in any fashion. It is a crime and is prosecuted as one like anything else that is a crime. A rape culture would insinuate that rape is basically goes by unpunished and if the last few months have shown us anything, that is not true in the slightest.

It is a fabrication created by radical feminists who just want revenge on men, and try to paint then all as horny monsters and I can tell you that is not the case in the slightest.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194503

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>>194502
I respectfully disagree.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194505

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>>194496
apparently around 7 i believe

and we should here a lot more by 11

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>>194503
>I respectfully disagree.
Pffft... boring.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194507

>>194506
What, you want Reaver back?

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194508

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>talk about rape
Just gonna throw in my two cents but false rape accusations should face the same consequences actual rapists get.

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>>194507
The unit from starcraft?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194510

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>>194506
I acknowledge your disappointment and become the bigger man by not disregarding it and calling you a fucking shit for brains pleb that should suck my ass <3

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194511

>>194508
That's fucked up.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194513

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>>194497
>While that may be true, you can not and should not prosecute someone based on potential. Even if the man can snap you in half like a twig, if he doesn't actually do anything to you, you cannot use that against him.
Oh, I never meant to mean it in that way. Just that both a) it could be a reason for sexual assaults from men would be more common and b) why it could also be more traumatic to the woman. Nothing about that being justification for prosecuting them.

>Society frowns on women being openly sexual. If a woman makes sexual advances on a man, people think she is easy, slutty or whatever.

I've felt like this has been less and less to be the case, but I'm also not an expert here. Might depend on multiple factors, either way. I can just say I don't personally see this, and I doubt I'm alone.

>Men and women are too scared to approach each other and birth rates plummet.

Might also be caused by a more "online society" too! Lots of people not approaching each other just in general.

Also I'm heckin nervous about approaching women just for other reasons, because heck if it isn't way out of my comfort zone. Women are spooky haha.


>>194505
Oh, so should be tonight? Neat. Probably not going to be watching as the votes get tallied, just after everything is all said and done.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194514

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>>194509
No, Reaver!

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>>194503
You're welcome to, but I would need proof.

And I don't mean 'rape happens'. I mean proof that it goes unpunished and is actually promoted by society.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194516

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>>194515
I would gladly look it up but I can't really ass myself to, kind of busy drawing a monster's pussy while listening to spanish covers of anime music.

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194517

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>>194511
just like false rape accusations

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>>194508
How does one determine the difference between a "false rape accusation" and potentially true rape accusation that simply was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?
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>>194510
Your kindness knows no bounds and your heart could fill a football stadium.
... Kind of like Akira.

>>194514
The Starcraft unit?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194520

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>>194519
No, Reaver!

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194521

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>>194518
how do they justify sending a person to rot in prison then one day pull them out because it turns out the person lied about them raping them? How does it justify literally ruining an innocent persons life and destroying any chances of success only to find out that all of it was a farce?

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>>194513
>b) why it could also be more traumatic to the woman.

To be fair, if you traumatize yourself by imagining shit that doesn't actually happen, that is your fault, no one else's. Claiming that trauma was caused by someone who didn't actually do anything but you imagined that they could is literally no different than trying to accuse someone of something you had a dream about them doing.

>I've felt like this has been less and less to be the case, but I'm also not an expert here. Might depend on multiple factors, either way. I can just say I don't personally see this, and I doubt I'm alone.


I don't think you're alone but I definitely see this happening. Slut shaming is a real thing that happens a lot and it puts a lot of stress on women to not be openly sexual.

Here's the thing: Women are encouraged to be attractive BECAUSE of this. See the woman cannot go to the man and say, "I want to fuck. Let's have sex." because society believes that is a slutty thing to do. So they have to act and dress provocatively in order to get the MAN to initiate, so that way they can just say it was his idea and they are still pure.

It's a very fucked up system for everyone involved, and you can thank Puritan morals for that bullshit.

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194523

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>>194520
>>194519
The starcraft unit?

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194524

>>194521
How does one determine the difference between a "false rape accusation" and potentially true rape accusation that simply was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

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>>194521
How would you justify sending a rape victim to prison because the legal system declared the rapist innocent? Because that's something that would happen, not all guilty people are proven guilty.

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>>194524
How does it justify sending an innocent to damnation?
>>194526
Because the innocent deserve justice.

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>>194527
So do innocent victims.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194529

>>194527
>It's okay to send a rape victim to prison because the innocent deserve justice.

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>>194524
The same way someone does for murder?

If you can't prove something happened, then you're shit out of luck. That's the way the game works.

At least in the case of rape you're not in a coffin, so you're better off than murder victims. I know that sounds harsh but we live in a world where there is a fungus that literally eats animals from the inside out. Life is not cute and cuddly. Anything you survive is not something you should dwell on, because there are a million other things that can snuff you out at any moment.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194531

>>194530
You have no clue what Anon and I just said, do you?

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>>194451
The pic you used looks like there is a football about to hit that character haha.

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194533

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>>194529
yes.
>>194529
only if they lied about being raped and had they accused wrongly imprisoned and also likely raped since it is prison.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194534

>>194533
>only if they lied about being raped
Is there any way to determine that, outside of confession?

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194535

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>>194534
In the future maybe.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194536

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>>194523
I'm starting to think you really really like that gif.

>>194520
...
The starcraft unit?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194537

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Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194538

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>>194536
Every other picture I have is a rare meme so I use this gif for everything else.

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194539

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>>194537
That's not a starcraft unit.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194540

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>>194522
Again I'm not trying to talk about legal accusations here. Just how it could personally affect women differently than men, just internally.

>So they have to act and dress provocatively in order to get the MAN to initiate, so that way they can just say it was his idea and they are still pure.

I wonder if a number of women just enjoy it more when the man initiates. Not about fearing being known as slutty, but thinking the man initiating is more attractive.

But I think slut shaming is annoying yeah.


>>194521
It doesn't. But these questions also doesn't answer mine.

In your system, someone could be legitimately raped, be unable to prove it in court, the fact that they couldn't prove it make it seem like a false accusation, and them getting punished for it
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Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194542

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>>194540
Yes
also
Yes

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>>194538
Ahhh, that makes sense! Cant just throw those around willy nilly. Not to mention, that gif is pretty applicable in pretty much any situation haha.

>>194537
>>194539
Now im just confused, you guys are talking about Kenny Rodgers right?

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194544

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>>194543
Yes
also
Is this a starcraft unit?

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194546

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>>194544
Reaver?

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>>194531
No. I get it. He wants it so if someone accuses of rape and they fail their case that they be punished as if they had been convicted of rape.

I do not fully agree, however I feel that if someone accuses someone of rape and it is proven without a shadow of a doubt that the rape did not occur, the accuser should go on trial for slander.

But that is only if there is proof the rape didn't happen. If there is no proof either way whether it did or did not happen, the case just needs to be dropped.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194548

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>>194530
>If you can't prove something happened, then you're shit out of luck. That's the way the game works.
Yes, that is how the game works.

However, Chaptor said that instead of just being "shit out of luck" for being unable to prove the murder, instead the would be sentenced for murder themselves.

>>194542
What?

Chaptor!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1a1a1b)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194549

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>>194546
Is this a starcraft unit?
>>194548
also yes

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194550

>>194547
Yeah, this is reasonable. But what you said before didn't really make any sense.

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>>194548
I know. I covered that in the post above yours.

False rape accusations are basically crying wolf. They do nothing but make people skeptical of legitimate rape accusations and women and supporters of women should not support those who falsely accuse, because all it does is hurt actual rape victims.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194553

>>194551
>supporters of women should not support those who falsely accuse
The problem is that people go
1. innocent until proven guilty
2. the trial hasn't happened yet so the accused is innocent
3. the accusation is false
4. no one should support any accuser

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>>194550
I think the main problem is that our society doesn't always follow what legally is attested.

So, here's the issue: Guy is accused of rape. Woman cannot prove it happened, and guy cannot prove it didn't happen. Guy is aquitted.

Problem is, no one sees that guy as a non-rapist. They just see him as a rapist that got away with it, and that is horribly unfair.

Anonymous (ID: cedc90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194555

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>>194551
Oh okay, gotcha. Thank you.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194556

>>194554
>Problem is, no one sees that guy as a non-rapist.
What the fuck is with all this generalization? Obviously some people will believe that and some people will see him as a non-rapist. What reason do you have, to believe that the former group is the majority?

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194557

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>>194549
I'm pretty sure thats Eric Andre.

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>>194556
Because it happens all the time.

This is the main reason I believe that Chaptor is saying what he's saying. Because if a guy is accused of rape, even if he's not convicted of it, society still sees him as a rapist. So even the mere ACCUSATION of it, without any proof and before any trial will probably ruin the guy's life.

If a guy is accused of rape, people automatically start becoming suspicious and start making assumptions. Guy can lose his job, potentially his family or personal connections. Even if he wins the trial the damage is done because as soon as you associate someone with being a rapist, people will start assuming it's true, and even if he wins the case, 9 times out of 10 people will believe he still did it, but just got away with it.

So he's already lost before he got a chance to fight.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194561

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>>194558
What do you think would be a solution to this?

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>>194561
There isn't a legal one. The solution would be a restructuring of how society views sex as a whole.

As long as society continues to demonize sex and things that are related to sex, we will continue to have these problems.
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>>194562
>how society views sex as a whole.
Just curious, how do you think its viewed at the moment, and how do you think it should change?

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 38edc2)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194564

>>194558
I know this. I just think "no one sees him as a non-rapist" is taking it too far.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194565

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>>194562
I don't think people stopping being prudes would make rape less horrible than it is.

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>>194563
It's slathered in Puritan nonsense.

People are offended by sex. This is an issue. Why? What the fuck is there to be offended about?

It's a natural process, and one way less disgusting than a lot of ones we don't think twice about. Think about this for a moment: If a women's bare chest is shown on TV or in public, everyone flips their shit, but food commercials showing a steak on a grill are perfectly fine because, yeah a bloody chunk of slaughtered animal meat beinged over a fire is apparently less distasteful than a set of nipples.

Our views on sex are completely backwards and because we are so afraid of it as a society, we end up with mounds of problems related to it because no one wants to discuss it or talk about it.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194567

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>>194566
And what does this have to do with rape?
We were talking about rape, not people being prudes.

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>>194565
I'm not saying it would. However I think it would probably reduce the number of rapes that occur, and it would make it easier to deal with because we wouldn't put it on the same platform as fucking murder, so we could stop being childish about it and actually deal with it properly.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194569

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>>194568
I don't think it would make it less common, f anything it'd make it more common because hey, it's just sex, stop being a baby about it at least I didn't kill you right?

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194571

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>>194566
I agree. I think people freaking out over the naked body is crazy tbh.

On the other hand, TV (at least in the past 30~ years) has been championing promiscuity like its going out of style.

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>>194569
I think it would be less common because people wouldn't be stuck in this frustrated state in which they have a sexual desire and have no idea what the fuck to do with it until they end up losing control and doing something stupid just to relieve it.

No one WANTS to understand sexuality. They just want to pretend it's one of those dirty things that doesn't exist and that they don't partake in even though it's a natural part of every animal's life cycle.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194574

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>>194572
Could be, maybe.

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Remember to bee careful who you vote for.

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>>194571
That's the problem. The media doesn't ever put out. It just fondles people's balls, gets them all pent up and then when people are ready for the payoff they just go, "Yeah, we don't do that you perverted freak. What is wrong with you?"

It's a completely fucked up system that more or less edges the fuck out of society but then tries to turn around and chastise it for wanting to finish.

It's like... If you're gonna tease people and then treat them like shit for getting into it, you can go fuck yourself. But that is what our society does. Sex sells, but we also don't want to admit we like it.

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>>194576
bee yourself

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>>194578
There is just so much at steak right now.

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>>194580
>soy grilled steak
ruined

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>>194574
You have to understand that the mindset if rapists who don't just do it because they got drunk and lost control is generally one of, "Man, I am so tired of all these women teasing the fuck out of me and then treating me like shit for being interested. Fuck them, I'm taking what I deserve."

And this stems from a society that treats anyone with sexual desire like absolute trash. They call the man a pervert for liking the shit they show him, they treat him like scum for wanting to indulge in the fantasy they are creating for him, so it's not surprising that some of them get fed up with it and don't give a fuck anymore.

If we stopped treating people like shit every time they showed an interest in sex, I believe this would prevent a lot of these situations from occuring.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194586

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>>194577
I know growing up watching shows like Friends and Seinfeld, i thought adult life would include a lot more one night stands haha.

But at the same time, it didnt make me go rape anyone ether.

But i agree, they are just giving blue balls, but i think it probably keeps people more engaged to do that, its probably a marketing strategy.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194587

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>>194584
This tastes like victim blaming.

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>>194580
Soy or not... that looks damn good.

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>>194587
It's not. I'm not saying that women are at fault for wanting to look sexy. I'm just saying that if they want to look sexy, don't treat someone like shit for actually finding you attractive.

Doesn't mean you have to fuck him, but at least don't treat him like garbage.

Rape is not okay, and women "are not asking for it", ever.

But at the same time if you push someone too far they will snap, and a lack of understanding for why this happens is going to keep allowing it to happen.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194590

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>>194589
So being a little mean to some thirsty guy justifies rape?

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>>194590
Nothing 'justifies' rape. Ever.

But knowing WHY it happens can help you prevent it from happening. Simply knowing why something happens is not a justification for it. It is an understanding of the mechanics and logistics behind it so that the problem can be solved.

People who snap are not justified in their actions by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn't mean there isn't a cause and finding and understanding that cause is not the same thing as condoning the action.

See, this is the problem right here. If you try to have an open discussion about this and try to logically deconstruct the cause and effect of the situation without being an overly emotional sack of shit about it, everyone goes 'For shame!' and plugs their ears.

And then it keeps happening because no one wants to fucking listen.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194592

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>>194591
Hmm I guess that makes some sense.
But changing the world's view on sex isn't viable in any possible way, at least not for more than a couple of generations. And honestly, they way i see it people are slowly becoming less prudish about shit like sex, so it might be bound to happen.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194593

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>>194583
So 15 min before the polls close here, wanna strike a deal? If you get a shit governor and i get a good one you move up here and vise versa? haha.

Wild card being Montana if we both get shitty situations.

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>>194592
It's the same situation with school shootings, to be honest. 9 times out of 10 a school shooter is going to be that kid who is harassed and treated like shit by everyone until he ends up just breaking cause he can't take it anymore.

But no one wants to see the shooter as the victim. Because that is wrong. They want to blame it on music or guns or violent video games. Because the "quarterback with a bright future" who got pumped full of lead couldn't possibly at fault, even if he did knock the shooter's lunch to the floor regularly and had a habit of shoving him in lockers. But it's not HIS fault.

It's an unpleasant truth. None of this justifies the actions of the shooter. What he did was wrong. The kid who got shot didn't deserve it, even if he was an asshole.

However the CAUSE is from people hitting a breaking point. Once that happens they are no longer able to make rational decisions, and while they are still fully responsible for those actions, taking measures to help prevent people from reaching that breaking point will help curb the instances of it happening.

No one is saying that bullies deserve to be shot, but bullies are the reason shootings happen.

Just like no one is saying women deserve to be raped for chastising men for having sexual desire, but chastising men for having sexual desire is a large reason rape occurs.

So yes, it's not 'your fault', but your actions are not helping the situation.

And like with the shooter scenario, no one wants to see the rapist as a victim of circumstance. They want to blame it on "patriarchy" or "rape culture" or "systemic oppression".
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Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194595

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Thats it... 8pm. Polls are closed here.

Nothing left to do but hope for the best.

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>>194593
my friend that sounds like a deal

>>194595
eeyup, both polls closed here because we have two time zones

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I feel that legalizing prostitution and also not seeing the profession as something shameful would help matters.

If it was treated more like a sexual therapist for those who have sexual tension they need to have released before they end up doing something bad, it would help a lot of the problems we have.

But right now prostitutes are seen as lowlife scum and those who see them are treated similarly, even though they serve a very useful function in society.

The fact that most places ban it probably causes more harm than good.

The fact that the adult entertainment industry in general is treated like it's trash doesn't help matters either. People are just too scared of sex and still treat it as 'sinful' and 'dirty'. We need to stop that nonsense or these problems are going to keep occuring.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194598

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>>194596
This is the first election I've actually been a little scared.

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Hell, if the legalization of prostitution was put on the ballot for California, I would actually go and vote.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194600

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>>194599
We had legal prostitution here until a few years ago. It was legal as long as it was indoors (so no street walkers) and it had to be a licensed massage therapy clinic haha, for whatever reason.

The democrats ended all that. rape has indeed gone up. yay.

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>>194601
Fucking Puritans, I swear. They ruin fucking everything with their "values".

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>>194599
it should be legal for sure. id support that for sure

>>194598
well, as i said.

im not much concerned about the house and senate

im more concerned about the representatives in my state because i have to live in it

funny enough now that i remember i have never voted in midterms before

ever since ron paul lost in the past i just felt like there is no point to

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>>194603
I would vote if anything was actually presented that I felt would actually help. I have no interest in half the shit they are proposing.

Don't give a shit about guns, don't give a shit about weed, don't give a shit about what the government is currently doing because they're a bunch of fucking retards that are going to fuck it up anyway.

Give me a reason to vote and I actually may bother to do it.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194605

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>>194604
>Don't give a shit about guns, don't give a shit about weed, don't give a shit about what the government is currently doing
Then please, don't ask me to care about your issues.

>>194603
The mid term is just as or more important, glad you made it out to this one!
I cant find a good place to see results, i was using politico, but they are calling races in my state with 0% reporting so ... fuck them.

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>>194605
I never have, and I don't expect you to.

I mean would you prefer me pretend to have an opinion that I don't really have that could ultimately effect people that do actually care about those issues? Because if I voted on shit I don't care about I'm basically saying I'm taking a side in a debate I don't actually have any interest in, and I'm basically just fucking over the side I don't vote for for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than 'because I can'.

That's why I never argue about those issues with anyone here.

The only arguments I make as far as the gun stuff us concerned is that they need to have better arguments.
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>>194604
yeah, well i do care.

because again, i have to live in it.

>>194605
>The mid term is just as or more important, glad you made it out to this one!
yeah i know, but i just didnt have much hope during the obama years lol

>>194605
>cant find a good place to see results
me neither

if you find something let me know

will do likewise

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194609

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>57.2%
JUST

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194610

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>>194607
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-florida-elections.html

This one isn't too bad.

Its the years it seems hopeless that are the most important to get out.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194611

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>>194609
Aren't these usually way off?

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: f2ed2b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194612

>>194609
what's going on here?

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>>194610
well at least my county is doing well

and he is ahead in most counties

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>>194611
It's fluctuating now, but generally they tend to get more accurate as the polls close and results come in. It's not looking good for the democrats taking the house, certainly not "6 in 7 chance" good anymore.

>>194612
Nate Silver's live forecast can't make up its mind.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194615

Also the senate is basically a done deal for the republicans.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194616

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>>194615
You got my thoughts and prayers.

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It was down to 40% briefly. Almost wanted to start packing my bigs for a farther move than just Colorado...

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194618

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>>194613
Its fucking close here, with 50% reporting.

Unfortunately it looks like the Incumbent Dem paying people to be in the race to siphon votes might be paying off, because they are less than 10% of each other atm.

I really dont think its right, or moral, or should be legal for one party to pay other people to run to skew the results.

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>>194618
>Unfortunately it looks like the Incumbent Dem paying people to be in the race to siphon votes might be paying off, because they are less than 10% of each other atm.
wait what? that is dirty as fuck...

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>>194618
I don't worry too much because I operate under the assumption that no matter who gets a seat, they are probably a shithead, because you have to be a shithead to swing one of those seats.

So relax. You're fucked either way. Just let it happen.
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>>194619
>wait what? that is dirty as fuck...
Hi. Yes. Welcome to politics.

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>>194621
is there anything with this involving florida's governor race?

>>194622
you really think i dont know this? abls

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194624

>>194623
I'm not seeing anything about the gubernatorial races. Seems like all eyes at 538 are on the house and senate races.

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>>194623
I figured if you did, you wouldn't be surprised about it.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194627

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>>194619
Yeah, it really is. She was laughing about it on stage the other day, also admitted that she doesn't actually care about the state, she just wants to get to DC and that's why she is doing out of state fundraising...

>>194620
You're so cool.

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>>194624
makes sense

>>194627
what a fucking scumbag...

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>>194627
If you say so. I'm just being realistic about it.

You said yourself that there weren't many good options and you're basically hoping for the lesser of two evils.

You really going to chastise me for not taking part in a rigged, broken system that is basically ruled by nepotism?

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194632

>>194629
Update

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194633

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Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194634

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>>194633
Why not just wait for the results? It honestly feels like whatever site that is is just jerking people around for the clicks.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194635

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>>194629
Yup, like i said, Hillary Clinton lite. Of course, he ads reminding illegal aliens to get drivers licenses prob played into some of this, at least in the city.

Looks like its going to her too with 93% reporting.

Silver lining, we retained our Dem speaker of the house, who is our dam to bad gun legislation. We will see if this bitch pulls some "executive order" shit.

>>194631
Well obviously you dont listen to what i say, because I've never said "picking between 2 evils" concerning my local races.

No, i chastise you for being proud to be a huge part of the problem and an edgelord.

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>>194634
The site is being updated as results come in.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194638

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>>194633
i will tell you this now

you dont have to worry about rick scott if he does win

literally jeb bush 2.0

i promise

>>194634
because it bases its results from real time votes and makes it predictions that way

because when we are this far in the election its a more precise prediction

still can fail as well

error can exist everywhere here

>>194635
man, and to think things were going bad here...

jesus... i am sorry to hear that, dude.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194639

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>>194638
>>194637
It just feels pointless when all that matters is the result at the end. But you do you I guess.

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>>194638
He's a republican. I'm not worried, that implies some chance of a positive outcome.

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>>194635
I'm not an edgelord and I'm not part of the problem.

If anything, when being offered the choice to things that are not any good, not taking the option to just not choose one just encourages them to keep offering you more of the same shit.

Do you honestly believe anyone you've voted for will actually make a difference? If they do, please be sure to tell me about it.

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>>194639
you'd be correct

>>194640
good, he is just... i dont know... jeb bush

thats as much as i can say

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194645

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>>194642 give me the rundown! just started looking at results. thoughts?

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194646

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>>194645
yeah, so far it's looking okay for us here in florida

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194647

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>>194646 gon' be some riots tonight

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194648

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>>194647
well, it it's not over just yet so you dont wanna get to /comfy/

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194649

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>>194648 well, in my congressional race it is. 67% to 33%
but yeah, you're right
looks like amendments 4 and 6 both passed. haven't seen any info about the others.
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>>194649
well at this point i am more focused on securing out governor and the like tonight

once thats done i will watch the house and the senate race results

>looks like amendments 4 and 6 both passed. haven't seen any info about the others.

interesting...

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194651

>>194650 98% reporting according to CNN
difference of ~80k votes for senate
difference of ~60k for governor
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>>194638
Honestly.. nothing really changed.

We still have a leg to stand on to fight for firearms rights because we retained our house speaker. She added over a billion dollars to the debt, all of which was lost, invested in her own portfolio and tanked, so im sure that will happen again.

The only difference is she might use her AG to make laws illegally concerning firearms like they did in mass.

But the fight continues. I was hoping for some rest though.

I am glad to see that things seem to be going well for you down there though.

>>194641
>Do you honestly believe anyone you've voted for will actually make a difference?
Yes, as they are my friends, and i know how the system actually works. You dont, you've prob never been to your statehouse, you just sit there and say how stupid it is cuz the maaaans got you down.


>I'm not an edgelord

You're in a thread about people talking about voting, to post about how dumb voting is and how smart you are for not doing it... i think thats literally the definition haha.

In fact... it is!
>Someone, especially posting on the internet, who uses shocking and nihilistic speech and opinions that they themselves may or may not actually believe to gain attention and come across as a more dangerous and unique person.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194653

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>>194652 so what's the scoop up north?
>not reading the 150 posts I missed

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: dc2f48)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194654

>>194652
>Yes, as they are my friends
???

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194655

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I'm not gonna riot. Just hide.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194656

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>>194651
these are interesting and close

>>194652
yeah, dont ever give up and i know you wont

but were still not fully out of the woods until its over

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194657

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>>194653
Our shitty Gov that uses our state to pad her personal investments, wants to put my friends and family in jail because of the shapes of their pieces of plastic, and drags us into national level discourse won. I'm sure she is on the phone with Hillary right now stroking off.

The house and senate didn't change very much, which is good, because it means we keep our pro-rights speaker of the house.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194658

>>194656 99% in
DeSantis by 100k
Scott by 60k

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194659

>>194654
We are a small state, you get to know people.

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>>194658
so at this point those two are secured?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194661

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>>194657 RIP on the gubernatorial race
at least you kept the pro-rights speaker
>>194660 unless 100% of the remaining votes are D's, I'd say most likely.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194662

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>>194661
i only ask because it still reports 94% votes according to associated press

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Should I even bother applying for citizenship at this point?

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194664

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>>194663
Why wouldn't you?

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194665

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>>194663
its not entirely over, you know

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194666

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>>194662 I'm checking CNN.com
>>194663 Do you have Romanian citizenship? I assumed you already had American citizenship.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194667

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>>194666
ah okay.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: dc2f48)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194668

>>194663
Totally. Anything bad that happens right now is a setback. So much has changed within your lifetime, you know it'll change again.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194670

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>>194668
This. Remember, one step ahead two steps backwards!
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194671

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>>194664
Why would I become a citizen in a country that doesn't want me? Just because the one I came from wants me even less?

>>194665
Supposedly the House odds are swinging blue again. My outlook is still blackpilled.

>>194666
Yeah, Romanian citizen with a green card.

>>194668
Change isn't always for the better.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: dc2f48)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194672

>>194671
>Just because the one I came from wants me even less?
Literally yes.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194673

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>>194671
What makes you think we don't want you?

You have a green card... you are pretty much already a citizen, its just a formality to become fully naturalized.

Mythix!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 984488)Country code: cia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194674

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I voted for big boss.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194675

>>194671 what >>194673 said

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: dc2f48)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194676

>>194673
Because they'll force her to lie on her application, because putting in her true gender will be illegal.

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>>194652
>cuz the maaaans got you down.

Have I ever actually said anything of this sort?

You're projecting.

>>194652
>You're in a thread about people talking about voting, to post about how dumb voting is and how smart you are for not doing it... i think thats literally the definition haha.

Vs. an entire thread sitting here stroking themselves off as though they are the saviors of the fucking country because they marked a few boxes.

You're such a goddamn national hero, aren't you?

You want a fucking medal?

You want to sit here and look down on me from your position of power because everything you care about is the only thing that is important and fuck everyone else?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe I don't vote because no one that has been voted in so far has done a damn thing to show me they are worth being there? But hey, as long as you get what YOU want, everything is peachy.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194678

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>>194671
>Why would I become a citizen in a country that doesn't want me?
i want you here though

also, not everyone is voting to want transgender folks gone

they vote on a many different issues

>My outlook is still blackpilled

it shouldnt be

its not done until its done

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>>194677
>Have I ever actually said anything of this sort?
Yes V
>You really going to chastise me for not taking part in a rigged, broken system that is basically ruled by nepotism?

>Vs. an entire thread sitting here stroking themselves off as though they are the saviors of the fucking country because they marked a few boxes.

Vs and entire thread of people talking about the topic.
>You're such a goddamn national hero, aren't you?
>You want a fucking medal?
I needed to check for cuts.

>You want to sit here and look down on me from your position of power because everything you care about is the only thing that is important and fuck everyone else?

fuck are you talking about? Position of power? When did i ever say that i only care about my issues? In fact, i think im just as animate about people voting when I dont agree with them.

>Has it ever occurred to you that maybe I don't vote because no one that has been voted in so far has done a damn thing to show me they are worth being there?

Yeah, i mean thats what you say all the time, but i really dont think you pay enough attention to know ether way based on the perspective that you put forth. Also, thanks for accusing me of only voting to get what i want, then saying the reason you dont vote is because you never do.

>But hey, as long as you get what YOU want, everything is peachy.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Pretty much everyone i supported lost, i got the OPPOSITE of what i want, and you kicking me while im down to tell me im stupid and wasting my time kinda fucking sucks.

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Formatting.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194680

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>>194672
Well, obviously going back there isn't on the menu. But there's more than two countries out there. Albeit none of which are guaranteed to not swing hard right just like Brazil did.

I wonder how long before Bolsonaro starts rounding up gays like Tanzania is.

>>194673
>>194675
The republicans in the administration sure don't. Most of the republican senators don't. I have no way of reliably measuring the "culture war" because no matter who you talk to, they think their side is winning.

>>194677
You know, it's kind of frustrating being someone who actually cares about the outcome of elections yet is unable to vote, watching someone go on and on about how they don't bother voting because "lol it's just ticking some boxes and doesn't matter anyway". Since you're so adamant that you don't care if your voice is heard, how about next election you vote on my behalf?

>>194678
Maybe not everyone. But it'd be really nice if I had like, an actual concrete percentage.

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>>194679
I never called you stupid.

Point is, this country doesn't care about me, most people in it don't care about me, and I've survived as I have by not drawing it's attention and ire.

Yet you sit here telling me I'm an 'edgelord' for not giving a shit about something that has never given a single shit about me, and never will.

I don't vote because it's not my place to. This isn't my country and these aren't my people. I don't have a Country, I don't have a people. I exist by not drawing attention to myself from anything big enough to squash me.

So no. I'm not going to vote because I have absolutely no goddamn reason to. You can do it, I don't give a fuck. But I am sick and tired of people looking down on me because I won't waste my fucking time on a system that only sees me as a mistake.

You're not stupid for voting. You're just stupid if you think I'm going to give a shit about a system that doesn't benefit me in any way.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194682

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>>194680
Is >>194676 the reason?

Noonim (ID: aea970)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194683

>>194681
See, you say stuff like this some days, and then others you go on massive tangents arguing for this or that.
I don't buy it.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194685

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>>194680 The entire US isn't made up of hard-line Republicans, you know.
>>194681
>You're just stupid if you think I'm going to give a shit about a system that doesn't benefit me in any way.
>

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>>194680
You know what's frustrating? Being told that you're a sack of shit for not voting, then if you do everyone around you celebrates about everyone winning but then the people you voted for help everyone EXCEPT you, and everyone thinks you did such a fine fucking job as they step on your shoulders to get to a better position and then let you sink into the fucking mud because they don't need you anymore.

You can find another step stool, I'm not fucking interested.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194688

>>194663
>Should I even bother applying for citizenship at this point?
Yeah, just live in a liberal state and you'll be fine. Not all of America holds backwards views.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194689

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>>194680
im not gonna press this any further

i honestly believe you're going to be fine

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194691

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>89.9%
Okay...that's better.
What a weird rollercoaster this has been.

>>194682
No. I'm used to having to mark "M" on applications. Although it definitely doesn't bode well that the legal measures to change that to an "F" could very well go away in the next few years.

I'm worried about further changes that republicans may try to push through (I would not be even close to surprised if we saw an executive order banning HRT), and about the "culture war" in general.

>>194685
How do you know? Aren't they "the silent majority"? Isn't that why Trump won?

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194693

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>>194691
>What a weird rollercoaster this has been.
seeeeeeeeee

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194694

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>>194681
In a rear turn of events, I agree with noomin.

You are calling me stupid, your saying my actions and mindset are stupid, well, thats me.

You benefit from this country immensely, you just dont appreciate it because you are spoiled, or at least your acting like it.

Your sitting in the comfort of your own home, with a full stomach, thirst quenched, bills paid, in almost complete safety, telling people how shitty america is on a pony website ffs.

I think you just want to be a Nihilist today, and that again, is the definition of edgelord.
>Nihilism is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life.

I dont mean to call you an edgelord, but you are sure acting like one atm.

You came into a thread where people are discussing the election to poke at people for voting, so don't be upset when they poke back.

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Typed the wrong word. Lack of transmission between brain and fingers.
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Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194696

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>>194691
>Although it definitely doesn't bode well that the legal measures to change that to an "F" could very well go away in the next few years.
I would say that right there is the best reason to become a citizen. So that you can do something about it!

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194697

>>194691 The reason Trump won is that the Democrats fronted one of the worst candidates in US history.
The vast majority of Americans are close to the center. but when you give them a choice between radical insane leftists and moderate conservatism, they'll go with moderate conservatism. Trump is not as far right as people claim.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 2cd6b3)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194698

>>194681
>Yet you sit here telling me I'm an 'edgelord' for not giving a shit about something that has never given a single shit about me, and never will.
Do you remember when Lisbon used to shit up every Overwatch thread because she doesn't like Overwatch?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194699

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>>194698
Who's lisbon?

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194701

>>194691
>(I would not be even close to surprised if we saw an executive order banning HRT),
I don't think that would even be legal. The president doesn't have that power under the Constitution.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194702

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>>194697
>Trump is not as far right as people claim.
I don't think Trump has many deep-seated political convictions at all. He just licks his finger and sees where the political winds are blowing. He's not like Mike "Zap The Gays" Pence.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194703

>>194702 exactly

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>>194694
>Your sitting in the comfort of your own home, with a full stomach, thirst quenched, bills paid, in almost complete safety, telling people how shitty america is on a pony website ffs.

I'm sitting in a fucking office on my 10th fucking hour of work, exausted, so that people who would mock me and treat me like shit for who I am if they knew about it can get paid pretty much the same amount as me, if I actually got paid regularly, which I don't, and I do this almost every day.

I rent an apartment I share with my mom, which I spend about 10% of my time at because I am often too busy working. I'm only safe because I wear clothes I hate and pretend to be someone I'm not so that people don't try to fucking kill me for being a blight on their values, and so I can actually make enough money to feed myself, and my mother.

I post on here to keep myself from going crazy with the amount of work I have to do, and when I do actually get paid, 80% of what I make goes to keeping our apartment, while the rest I spend trying to distract myself from the constant torment I live in every day.

Oh, and paying to help keep this website going. At least I assume that is where the money goes, I never really asked.

I never talk about how shitty America is. The entire world is shitty to me, and this place is no different. But that's not because it's a shitty place. It's just because the human race has absolutely no use for me and only tolerates my existence if I'm doing something to entertain it.

If you want to fucking know.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194705

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>>194702
I honestly think this is why he was chosen for VP.

If they try to impeach, then they get him.

Strategery.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194707

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>>194705 ooo, that's brilliant

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194708

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>>194682
>>194691
And also worried about workplace and housing discrimination. But, less so about that, because Colorado isn't a shithole and already has those protections at the state level. Unless the federal government tries to fuck that up, which wouldn't surprise me.

>>194693
I was honestly expecting red everything.

>>194696
I originally was planning to become a citizen before this election even. But it'd make it a bit harder to bail if the losses get too heavy.

>>194697
Yeah, that's why I wasn't too upset about him winning. But regardless of his own personal views, his administration are pretty damn far right.

Besides, being pro-trans is a "far left" position.

>>194701
Why would it have to be legal? He's tried to push through a ton of other unconstitutional shit.

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>>194705
>>194707
Are you motherfuckers trying to piss me off at this point?

Because it's working.
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(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194710

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>>194708
well dont, because things can change

thats why being blackpilled isnt the way to go

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 2cd6b3)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194711

>>194709
You're not making any sense.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194713

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>>194708 I actually see Trump as a sign of a moderation of the right. compared to, say, under GWB.
I disagree that it's far-left. It's just that the far-left is the only group that has it as a main part of their platform. I think most centrists would be on board, if not for the other crazy shit the far left is pushing.
>>194709 ...no? just wasn't something I'd considered and it's kind of funny.

(ID: a53e47)Country code: tux.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194714

I haven't been paying attention to the thread, are the polls over?

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>>194711
Before Trump even won I pointed out that he brought on Mike Pence as a deadman's switch so that they wouldn't impeach him.

Everyone called me retarded for thinking that. That 'Trump isn't smart enough to do that.'

Now MK goes, 'Hey, I just noticed this.' and all of a sudden everyone thinks it's fucking brilliant.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194716

>>194714 depends on time zone

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194717

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>>194715 I wasn't paying attention to political debates here 2 years ago. In fact, that was about the time I left the site.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 2cd6b3)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194718

>>194715
Boat wasn't here then. And I don't remember about Mk17.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194719

>>194708
>Why would it have to be legal? He's tried to push through a ton of other unconstitutional shit.
I think a distinction needs to made between (1) Trump actually trying to do something and (2) him just intentionally putting forth something impossible and retarded just to get media attention.

(ID: a53e47)Country code: tux.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194721

>>194715
I don't remember what the opinions of him were back then, but I do know that people in general have been saying that about Pence for a while.

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>>194717
It doesn't matter. It's always the same thing.

If I say something, it's stupid. If someone else says the exact same thing, it's brilliant. That's how it always works, no matter the topic. If I ever explain something, people call me ignorant and stupid. If someone then come in and basically says the same thing, all of a sudden that person is a wise fucking sage.

It's goddamn irritating.

It's doesn't matter what is said, just the fact that I'm the one saying it.
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Anonymous (ID: 977605)Country code: getchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194725

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My greatest regret is the one rando ashkenazi that supposedly raped my mom's German ancestors generations back. Now I'm not allowed to criticize the outright bitter foreigners who squat here and moan about how evil the people who've lived here for generations are for not holding the same values as the countries they came from.
I'm sick of the only country and identity I've ever known just letting itself be the world's bitch. There's nothing wrong with being okay with what you are and drawing a line at how far you're willing to change. I've never had anything against people for their sexual variations, but I am not standing in solidarity with the people who want civilian disarmament ever.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194726

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>>194723 sorry you feel that way; it's not intentional

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194727

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>>194710
It's kind of a hollow victory without the Senate, though. More of a "thank God we're not going to get totally assfucked" than a "yay, we won". A split congress is an unproductive congress.

Which is still better than a productive republican congress, so I'll take it.

>>194713
Maybe, maybe not. Again, it's hard to really make an accurate guess how most people really feel on the subject.

>>194719
Why would Trump still be vying for media attention? He's already in office. And when you're POTUS, pretending to be retarded is functionally the same as being retarded.

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>>194726
It happens too often to not be intentional.

But whatever. I put up with it or be alone, so I don't have much of a choice.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194730

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>>194727
>A split congress is an unproductive congress.
sounds no different than what we have had tbh

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: ec7eaf)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194731

>>194727
>Why would Trump still be vying for media attention?
Because he's a narcissist.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194732

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>>194704
Well, sorry i dont have my Toy Tracker™ on atm. But you have all the things i said.

But dont act like we are all against you and just shitting on you for not voting. No one made a thread titled, Let shit on Toy for not voting
You started this fight.
You walked into a Christian church on Christmas eve to tell everyone how stupid religion is and its probably fake so that people can make money and keep people down, and now your upset that they refute you?
You said yourself, freedom of speech isnt freedom of criticism.

>Oh, and paying to help keep this website going.

can you please stop using this? This is the second convo in 2 days that you have mentioned it in a counter point. I think its great you do, I do too, im sure many do, but it shouldn't be brought up as a point.


Is everything okay? You've been very pessimistic and argumentative lately, more than usual in my experience.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194733

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>>194729 I generally respect your opinion. Despite the snark, I like hearing your ideas. I know you don't like the way things are going, but I don't think your doom and gloom outlook is accurate.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194736

>>194727
>Why would Trump still be vying for media attention?
Because he's Trump. That's what he does, lol.

>And when you're POTUS, pretending to be retarded is functionally the same as being retarded.

I'm afraid Trump is legit starting to suffer early stages of dementia.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194739

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>>194704
...im not sure why you feel the need to drag me into this

i havent attacked you at all today or ever really

honestly kinda feel offended by this because i thought this stuff was personal between us

i dont live a very good life and you know that

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>>194732
>But you have all the things i said.

I've EARNED all the things you said without any help from a goddamn single person on this Earth besides my mother. I was never given a goddamn thing from anybody.

No, everything is not okay. I'm overworked, underappreciated, and even in a place where I try to pretend I have friends I'm usually the one getting shit on.

But that is what my life is. That is the best I'm going to get so I make due. No one cares, so I'm not going to bother you with it.

I'll leave the thread alone now, sorry for being a pest.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194743

https://twitter.com/Samer/status/1060001629225791488

Gamers rise up

>>194732
>You've been very pessimistic and argumentative lately, more than usual in my experience
Probably for the same reasons I have been. Except she has it even worse, because she's older than I am and has given up on ever actually being herself.

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>>194739
You know I don't usually bring it up. I don't bring that kind of thing up because it's not anyone's business.

But I'm tired of being treated like garbage by everyone so I snapped and I'm sorry.

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>>194744
im not upset with you

i get it i have off days where i do the same things

were only human, remember that

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 6e1a96)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194748

>>194736
Fair enough. But maybe he should be doing it with something other than the laws of the nation he's ostensibly running. Why can't he just tweet some spicy takes when he wants the press in a tizzy?

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194750

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fucking south florida is taking foreeeeeeeevvvvveeer

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>>194747
You're only human Mikie.


I've never had that privilege.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194752

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>>194751
you are also human

just because you think a different way doesnt mean you arent

MY line of thinking as you know would never be accepted

ever

were all different but human nonetheless

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>>194752
Genetically.

In practice though, no.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194755

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>>194754
then neither am i

there we can be non-human together

i think you need to relax

play some vidya or something

i know thats what you enjoy doing

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>>194755
I can't.

I'm at work.

As usual.

We're not the same, that much has been proven to me.

I play video games so I can pretend to be someone that isn't me. It's less about enjoyment and more about escaping endless torment for short periods of time.
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(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194759

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>>194757
fair enough then

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194760

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>>194740
>I've EARNED all the things you said without any help from a goddamn single person on this Earth besides my mother. I was never given a goddamn thing from anybody.
Yeah, i think that's why our outlooks normally sync up. We are both hard workers and earn our shit, but i mean, having the opportunity to do so is a factor, thats where you benefit from a free society.

Sorry if you feel like you are always the butt of the convo, but honestly, you are normally the one in control of a convo as i see it. If it means anything at all, i do consider you a friend, and i do enjoy you being around.

I'm not in a great spot tonight, the results mean that not only will i be working even more for free, while i can barely pay my mortgage as it is, but it also means layoffs of the employees im trying to keep in work are a serious possibility, not to mention the fact that the business i manage sells things might very possibly be considered life in prison felonies overnight.
So maybe i was a little harsh, but im not having a great time ether and having my moral philosophies mocked in the midst of the moment wasn't very helpful.

You're honestly one of my favorite people.

>>194743
I think you should try not being so concerned about what people think tbh. I don't mean to be, harsh, but if its who you are its who you are and you arnt doing any favors to yourself by obsessing over which letter is on a form. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, im not saying you shouldn't fight for it, im just saying that if its who you are, just roll with it in the meantime. I think you might be surprised just how many people don't actually give a fuck as long as you arnt bothering them.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194764

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It seems Ron DeSantis has won!

were gonna be alright!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/us/florida-desantis-gillum-governor.html

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194765

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Anonymous (ID: 22aa33)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194766

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Nice

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>>194760
What set me off was being called an edgelord.

Considering my history, I should by all rights hate every single person living on this Earth but I don't.

I try to stay positive but I also try to be realistic about my situation. I don't pretend things are better than they are.

Everything I have is eventually taken away from me, so when people start to freak out and tell me they are threatening to take things away from me I have a very hard time doing anything but shrug, because I already expected it.

If that comes across as 'edgelord', that isn't the intent. I just don't really have a strong reaction or investment in things such as this, because no matter the outcome, I'm going to end up shafted by it one way or another.

Things don't go my way. They never have, they never will. The only way I get anything is if I make an effort to get it, and it will always be temporary.

I don't respond much to threats because my existence is constant, unending punishment for having the nerve to keep existing. There is not much anything anyone can do to me other than outright kill me that would cause me any more suffering than I feel on a daily basis.

But I don't spend my days on here moping. I try to be cheerful, put people in a good mood most of the time. I don't drone on about the constant pain I am in, both physically and mentally because no one wants to hear about it. No one gives a shit about it, and to be fair they have no reason to.

So I do what I can to try and be positive around people.


Things like this though, when people pretend that they can do something that will make my life better. It irks me. Because that isn't how things work. They will have a better life, and I will help them with it if I can, usually.

But empty promises are something I don't want. You want me to vote so things can get better for you? Fine. Just don't try to tell me that it's helping me or that you're helping me. If I wanted you to lie to me, I would tell you to. I'd much rather somebody be honest and tell me they are just using me to get something they want instead of trying to tell me they are trying to help me, only to drop me the second they get what they need.

I don't mind being used. I mind being lied to.
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(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194768

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>>194765
junkyard avoided

democratic socialism = no chance

how do you feel, boats?

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: dd402e)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194769

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>>194760
Yeah, I get that. It's just hard not to feel defeated sometimes, when the battle is uphill.

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194770

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>>194764
>>194765
Congrats guys...

Just do me a favor... point your fans north and try to blow some of that freedom my way. Even just the smell would be nice.

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194772

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>>194766
LEGALIZEEEEEEEEEEEEE

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194773

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>>194768 pretty good! senate looks good as well. having a white russian slush to celebrate. how about yourself?
>>194770 you should come visit! smell the freedom for yourself

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194775

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>>194770
as always!

>>194773
got some leftover beeeeer

should suffice well!

Mk17 (ID: a7837a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194777

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>>194773
>having a white russian slush to celebrate. how about yourself?
>>194775
>got some leftover beeeeer
>should suffice well!


I got a pack of smokes and pint of ice cream... YEAH ITS BEN AND JERRYS! FUCK IT! haha.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194778

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>>194775 nice!
>>194777 is it Resist Pecan?

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194779

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>>194777
harsh... still something

>>194778
hell yeah! im happy!

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194782

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>>194777
Hey babe I got half a bottle of tequila i'd share with you <3

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194784

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>>194767
I dont want you to vote for me, i want you to vote for you.

I cant say you are being hard on yourself, because pretty much everything you said is how i feel most of the time too. But if there is anything i can try to do about it, i will. Maybe thats why im so gung-ho about voting, it at least lets me say, "hey, I did what i could, I had 1 vote to try to push things in the way i think they should go, and i cast it."
It earned me the right to complain haha.

I kinda knew calling you an edgelord would set you off tbh. I'm sorry about that, but again, for me this is a serious issue, and the reality of the outcome is going to have some serious implications to my life, so being poked at about it over and over set me off too, so again, im sorry.

But i think you are being harder on yourself than you need to be, and maybe letting off some of your stress by talking about it in small doses might not be such a bad idea.

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194786

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>>194769
I also get that. But def dont think you arnt welcome in this country or anything. Thats just the news trying to sell ad space, the reality is most people are accepting.

>>194778
Hahaha! no they dont sell that at the corner store. I kind of wish it was though, would be the perfect depression ice cream for tonight :P

>>194782
God Ika.. you're such a chad chaser.

Jacey (ID: 11801e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194787

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Everything seems to have gone as well as can have been reasonably expected.
No additional bad news is good news as far as im concerned.

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>>194784
>i want you to vote for you.

That's why I don't.

Anonymous (ID: 026d13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194789

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>>194767
>the constant pain I am in, both physically and mentally
Nani? :-(
I'm sorry to hear that! What causes you to be in pain?

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>>194789
Various things.

Poor health. Mental stress. Living in a world that doesn't want me to be here.

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194792

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>>194788
Fair enough, im not going to argue your personal choices. Just in the future, leave me the hell alone about it on election night okay? haha.
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>>194792
Yeah. I guess I get heated about it because everyone gets excited about there being change for the better and I'm just left to sit here going, "IT MUST BE NICE."

So I already came into this irritated. Sorry.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: dd402e)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194794

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>>194786
I want to think so. But...there's just so much evidence against that. Normie republicans aren't the same as Ponychan republicans.

>>194789
She's trans, in her 30's, non-transitioning, and permanently closeted.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: c657fb)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194795

>>194794
>Normie republicans aren't the same as Ponychan republicans.
I haven't the slightest clue which you think is worse.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194796

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>>194794
are you atleast more confident now?

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>>194794
Thanks for rubbing it in.

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>>194793
Don't sweat it. Though, I cant help but to wonder what this change you want is, that you never see and no one seems to support.

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>>194798
The change I want is physically impossible, so there is nothing anyone can do to fix it.
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Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194800

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>>194794
>>194797
Fucking blunt jesus christ.

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194803

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>>194794
>Normie republicans
Again, i think this is just the news' opinion. I've talked to the republican candidates in my area, about this stuff, and they aren't dismissive of it, some are, but not all. But the same can be said about the other side of the isle.

The funny thing is, if you just call yourself a republican, now there is a trans republican haha. This is why parties change policies through history, but not names. I mean, it was the Dems of the 90's that were the hardline anti LBGT group on paper.

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>>194800
Like I said, people take any chance they get to make me feel like shit. Even other trans people.

Hopefully you understand why I don't really feel like I belong with anyone, or any group.

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194805

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>>194799
if you are talking about what starshine is talking about, then maybe stop looking for that change if its impossible. Maybe you should realize that its probably just fine. If you don't want to pursue the options, what other option do you have?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194806

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>>194804
I'm no one to question the way you feel, honestly. You do you girl, I do want you to feel better tho.

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>>194805
Die, I guess.

Look, it's not like I haven't tried. I was on HRT for a year and I ended up with a kidney infection, bedridden in a hospital for three days because it fucked up my immune system, so I couldn't continue it.

If I believed in the supernatural I would probably assume something is purposely trying to make me as miserable as possible.

Every time I think I'm making progress in something, something else always comes in to kick me back into the dirt and remind me where my place is.

(ID: f7bc48)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194808

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yo, starshine as of now the dems are taking over the house

celebrate that

i told you not to panic

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: dd402e)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  194810

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>>194793
Maybe now that dems have the House, they'll get the Equality Act in motion.

...only to get shot down by the Senate or vetoed by Trump, but still. At least they tried.

>>194795
The boomer shits whose minds I live on rent free judging by the unrelenting anti trans shit they post.

/pol/ republicans are the worst obviously, but good god Facebook republicans still piss me right the fuck off.

>>194796
Mmmmmm not really. I mean, I'm glad about Colorado, I guess. And relieved about the House. But I don't think I'll trust the republican party until their actual leaders are singing the same tune as you guys.

>>194797
>>194804
Sorry. I didn't mean to kick you while you're down. It just caught me off guard that people wonder what's causing you pain when it seems kind of self evident. But maybe it's only self evident to me because I'm in a much more similar position than most. My intent wasn't to make you feel like shit, but to help people understand why you feel like shit. I hate that you're in that situation.

>>194803
There's actually an elected trans republican. Doesn't change what Sessions n' pals are up to or the boomers clutching their pearls at men in dresses. /lgbt/ mostly voted for Trump and apparently largely voted red in the midterms too. I don't see those politicians looking out for their interests despite their support. More trans republicans just means more republicans, which for the time being is bad for trans people no matter how you slice it.

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>>194810
The way you said it basically came across as "Because she's a fucking loser."

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>>194807
>Die, I guess.
Valid point. haha.

Yeah, i can see how you feel that way, but the only one who is making you miserable in a situation like that is you.

If you tried, and you cant, for medical reasons esp, then maybe you need to just try to change your outlook of the situation.

I know thats something that "well thats easy to say fuckface" would be a very valid response to, but, im not suggesting that would be easy at all, in fact, it would probably be extremely hard.

I know this might be hard to believe coming from a person who spends a majority of their time avataring as a pony from a childrens cartoon on the internet, but not all my life choices and outlooks and "ways of feeling" are very white bread traditional ether, its not something i talk about much, or ever tbh, but its something iv had to deal with.

My answer was to stop looking at myself as any one thing or the other, and just embracing being a human.

Maybe thats not your answer, but trying to find your answer will be a lot more productive then feeling bad that the first answer wasnt the right one.

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>>194814
>My answer was to stop looking at myself as any one thing or the other, and just embracing being a human.

I can't do that.

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>>194812
I meant it more as "she's in a really shitty and difficult situation". Honestly just "she's trans" probably would have sufficed, but the fact that you're essentially forced to repress...it really sucks on a whole different level. And I think people need to understand how much it sucks in order to understand why you have such a bleak outlook.

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>>194810
Its almost like trans people are just regular people with varying thoughts and opinions on issues! :P

I get what you are saying. You're in a rough position because your life is being legislated atm. I'm sort of in that same position but with my career, hobby, and only social situation in my life haha. firearms

I'm not saying you should invade the republican party and turn it trans, im just saying be careful about falling for the whole "one party one voice" meme.

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>>194815
>Maybe thats not your answer, but trying to find your answer will be a lot more productive then feeling bad that the first answer wasnt the right one.

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>>194816
Unless you are trans, people don't know what you're dealing with.

If someone asks why you're upset and you say it's because you're trans the only response you're going to get is, "Get over it, snowflake."

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>>194819
>If someone asks why you're upset and you say it's because you're trans the only response you're going to get is, "Get over it, snowflake."

Who is saying this shit to you?

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>>194817
>I get what you are saying. You're in a rough position because your life is being legislated atm.

No disrespect, but no. You don't. I don't give half a fuck about legislation.

We are at war with out own bodies. It doesn't matter what Trump or some asshole in Congress has to say. We are living our lives strapped to a fucking time bomb that is also the only thing keeping us alive.

Do you know what it's like fighting an enemy that controls every aspect of your existence? I can't kill it without killing myself. I can't harm it without harming myself. I can't run away because it is my legs. I can't yell at it because it is my voice.

Do you know what it's like living inside a coffin of flesh, being as good as dead but having no body of your own?

Can you fathom such an existence?

When you look in the mirror do you see yourself, or do you see a mangled prison you will never escape from?

Compared to this, Trump saying 'trans aren't real' is nothing.
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>>194817
Exactly. That was part of a point I was making to Boat, not all trans people lean left, even though there's a very obvious incentive to. Problem is, that kind of works against us when a subset of our population votes R, and then the R's they helped vote in say "yeah you're just mentally ill crossdressing weirdos, kiss your legal protections goodbye, but thanks for the votes hon :)" to pander to their actual base. And then we have that to deal with on top of our already intrinsically distressing existence.

As for firearms, gun rights are something I've always supported. It's like my only "right wing" position. Not that that means anything of course, because if I voted, I would vote democrat in spite of disagreeing with that part of their policy, because voting republican would harm my interests more. Just as people who support trans rights yet vote republican do so because voting democrat would harm their interests more.

It just goes to show how fucked the two party system is. We'll probably never be free from its tyranny, sadly. 2016 should have been the year. If it couldn't happen then, it probably never will.

>>194819
It's still better to be straight up than to sugarcoat it. Minimizing your problems does little but allow others to do the same.

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>>194823

>Do you know what it's like living inside a coffin of flesh, being as good as dead but having no body of your own?

No.
>Do you know what it's like fighting an enemy that controls every aspect of your existence? I can't kill it without killing myself. I can't harm it without harming myself. I can't run away because it is my legs. I can't yell at it because it is my voice.
Yes.
>When you look in the mirror do you see yourself
No.
>Can you fathom such an existence?
Yes.

I mean this from a good place, so dont take offense, but It sounds like your at war with your own body, not necessarily "we". Like i said, you need to find your answer.


I'm not, and will never claim to know EXACTLY what you are going though, and if i could say something that would make you feel better, i would, even if it killed me. But I can empathize with you.

I still think you need to change your perspective, because the one you have isnt working. There is nothing wrong with you, you are just a bunch of matter that happens to be sentient. You are the one that needs to accept who you are. I think the person saying "toughen up snowflake" to you IS you, at least thats what it sounds like to me, and maybe thats not the best coarse of action.

I know you are going through real pain. I would do anything to make it stop, but unfortunately you are the only one with that power.

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>>194833
>I would do anything to make it stop, but unfortunately you are the only one with that power.

I don't have that power either. If I did, I would use it.

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>>194827

>"yeah you're just mentally ill crossdressing weirdos.."

So the other night i was talking about this with my friends. They are a gay couple, i took photos at their wedding haha. Thats pretty much what they had to say about it.
I was floored. I had to remind them "yo dudes, you realize that this is where you were at 25 years ago right?" we were also talking about wiafus haha
But they already won i guess, so why bother caring about someone else?
Honestly they are good folks, and by the end of the convo i think they got what i was saying and are a little more open to alternative lifestyle... ffs they are a gay married couple! i feel like i shouldn't have to try to convince them that alt lifestyles are okay right!? haha
>It's like my only "right wing" position.
Being in the firearms community is what broke the meme for me. Esp here in NE. In the real world, its not a partisan issue, to real people its not a partisan issue, the only reason guns are a partisan issue is because the media made it so. The guy i was so relived won tonight because he is the dam that keeps our state from going from one of the best to one of the worst in firearms law, is a hard-line democrat. Its why i listen to the words that the candidates say, not what the news tells me they believe.
>We'll probably never be free from its tyranny
Its a mindset.
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>>194839
Trans and bi erasure/lack of acceptance is actually really common from gay people/communities.

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>>194836
You do though. You are smart, you are a critical thinker, you are a problem solver by nature.

You just need to turn that hard working no BS get the job done and do it right attitude inward. Which is hard, but can be done.

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>>194840
I believe it. No one is special because of who they are.

Blacks can be racist
Gays can be bigots
Trans folks can think a sound fiscal policy is right for the country haha.

And so on.
They are all just people.

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>>194841
Unless you give me the power to manipulate my body at the celult level, no. I don't.

I know you think this is a mind over matter thing, and I can understand that perspective on it, but in this particular case, it really isn't.

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>>194843
The matter is nothing without the mind as its the mind that is giving you the trouble.

Again, i cant get in there and know what its up to, I cant truly know your, or anyones situation. And i realize that this convo isn't going to instantly make anything better tomorrow morning.

But the mind is the creator of your reality, and the sentient mind is stronger than the part that makes life shit, but you have to fight for it. No one can do it for you, there is no "just think this way and everything will be better" it takes time, and effort, and its an endless struggle.
But fighting back, finding piece within your own mind, is worth the struggle.

But its no different than any other aspect of life, you have to earn it.

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>>194833
Well, being at war with your body kind of comes with the territory of being trans, at least of the dysphoric variety. People experience it to different degrees and in different ways, and deal with it in different ways*, but...when your brain says you're a girl and your body says you're not, that's an existential horror that's hard to put into words. That's why hormones and surgery are so important, and why I'm so afraid of those things getting taken away being the next step in Sessions' master plan.

*An infamous example of different ways that people experience it and deal with it: some people get surgery to deal with genital dysphoria, others either don't suffer from genital dysphoria or compartmentalize it as "I'm a girl and I have a penis, so it's a girl's penis". Both approaches are "insane" according to transphobes, of course; fuck 'em. It gets more complicated when trans people attack other trans people for the ways in which they deal with their dysphoria: socially transitioning without physically transitioning is seen as a faux pas, some people don't consider you "trutrans" unless you've gotten surgery, etc. And I think it all stems from a need to "legitimize" trans identity to those on the outside.

>>194839
Unfortunately, I'm not all that surprised. A lot of LGB people actively want to "drop the T". I mean, that's part of what Milo was going on about, before he accidentally defended child molestation and the right deplatformed him so hard that all Berkeley students, male and female, spontaneously jizzed their pants.

>the only reason guns are a partisan issue is because the media made it so

I really want to say the same thing about trans acceptance, but it probably wouldn't be true. Boomer republicans would probably dislike trans people regardless of whether Ben Shapiro tells them to or not.

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>>194845
There is so much "gays want to drop the T" and "people think its insane" and "thats why some trans folks attack other trans folks" in the situation that, to me, it legitimizes everything haha.

Thats what people do, they will keep labeling, and separating, and splitting into groups endlessly like a dividing cell. Thats why i say, people arnt special because they are this or that, they are all people, and they all act like people, and people can be great, and people can be horrible.

It cant help you though. It cant help to have to think about all that in fighting AND what people outside the situation think AND what might be legislated AND still have to deal with shit going on in your own head.

But i do think the shit going on in your head is all that counts, at least, its what should be dealt with first.

>Berkeley students, male and female, spontaneously jizzed their pants.

FUCKING LOL!

>Boomer republicans would probably dislike trans people regardless of whether Ben Shapiro tells them to or not.

I think most people need to be faced with the reality before they will actually change their mind. My dad was a huge homophobe, as was my friend at work. Both in their 50s 60s and they both absolutely fell in love with my gay friend. Hung out with him all the time, invited him over for stuff, to the point where they would all go out and do stuff without me because he had more interest in what they were doing haha.

Then they found out he was gay. Then they realized that they were wrong this whole time.

If the only "x" people you see are the ones on TV, ether on the news being spun in some way, or in media reading a script... then you lose sight of the fact that these are flesh and blood humans, with the same thoughts, fears, opinions, pain, hate and love as any other person.
Thats when it sticks.

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>>194845
>A lot of LGB people actively want to "drop the T".

I've already known this for a while.

Video related, LGB on the left. T on the right.
High School of the Dead - Best Friends Forever... I guess

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>>194846
I really feel like this tendency to divide gets exploited a lot too. It's a self exacerbating problem, because people who are already divided are naturally compelled to get more people on their side. Doesn't help that all these different beliefs and paradigms and nuances have to be simplified to a dichotomy at the cost of forcing people to compromise some values for the sake of other values.

>i do think the shit going on in your head is all that counts, at least, its what should be dealt with first

Yeah, I agree.

>I think most people need to be faced with the reality before they will actually change their minds

Probably. That's really the only cure for the mental traps we fall into: seeing what's outside of them. Of course, these very same mental traps make us really not wanna do that.

>>194847
Too real

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>>194847
Toy i gotta go to bed, but before i do i just want to apologize again for being a dick earlier. We are both going through stuff atm, we both have fairly strong personalities, and it just collided haha.

Also, don't take anything I've said as being a "solution" to any of your problems. I know they aren't. But its something to think about, and maybe it could at least be a piece of the puzzle.

Life is a mess. Who we are, why we are here, why does it have to be this way, are things that everyone deals with to some degree. The richest and the poorest people both go to bed with questions like "am i wasting my life" "is there something wrong with me" and "why couldn't i have just been born a different species/gender/whathaveya" and while our exact situations might be different, i feel like its something that anyone with any empathy at all can level with.

You're strong, you'll figure it out.

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>>194846
>FUCKING LOL!
Heh, I read the exclamation mark upside at first

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>>194851
>I really feel like this tendency to divide gets exploited a lot too.
Oh for sure. Its why I try to label things, or pay attention to them as little as passable.

I know thats a memey thing to say like "i aint no label man!" but it is what i try to do. Just see people for people, no matter if they are a dem or a rep or gay or trans or ect...

Its why i get as much flack from the pro gun side as the anti gun side sometimes because when i say stuff like "the anti-gunner types arnt evil, they are fellow people with real fears" i get looked at like im crazy. That issue has just as much dividing and labeling as any other haha.

And its a bit of the reason that i got a little spergy about the NPC meme haha. Because yeah, not realizing that the person on the other side is still a person just as complex as yourself is kind of dehumanizing.

>Probably. That's really the only cure for the mental traps we fall into: seeing what's outside of them. Of course, these very same mental traps make us really not wanna do that.

Yup, and we are all susceptible, and there is an exception to ever rule.


I have to go to bed.
Life is freaking weird haha.
But at least its interesting to talk about.

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>>194854
What does and upside down ! mean?

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>>194858
I mean, i know what it looks like, but does it change the meaning? What does it indicate grammatically?

Honestly, im not curious enough to stay awake haha.

G'night!

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>>194859
fucking loli

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>>194858
loli... i just got it.

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>>194860
Yup... haha

okay

g'night.

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>>194866
...night

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https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/5/18055844/florida-amendment-9-vaping-offshore-drilling-midterm-election-results

What is this
Why are these the same amendment LOL

>>194855
I think labels do have some value, but they're not a substitute for actual understanding.

Sleep well.

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>>194867
I feel stupid now. That was slow, even for me haha.

OKAY GOODNIGHT!

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>>194846
>think most people need to be faced with the reality before they will actually change their mind.
this.

Think about it >>194845...
Who are the trans people that boomers know?
1) the sweet transvestite from Transsexual, Transylvania
2) Caitlyn Jenner
3) maybe Chelsea Manning?
4) ?????????????????

>>194868
>What is this
>Why are these the same amendment LOL
yeah, I think Mikie and I were wondering that ourselves.
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>>194845
>the next step in Sessions' master plan.
Getting fired might be the next step in Sessions' master plan.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/5/jeff-sessions-on-hot-seat-in-trump-hints-at-possib/

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 74fd13)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194905

>>194868
Florida is retarded

But I am happy with our state atm.

The right choices were made for our state.
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>Washington (especially Eastern Washington from what I've heard) reelects Cathy McMorris Rodgers

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>Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a seat in congress
oh man that is awesome

the laughs i am gonna get out of this will be the best

the district that elected her should be embarrassed but i get the feeling they're proud

but i thank you guys for doing so

because its gonna get funny

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>>194909
>Cathy McMorris Rodgers
Who?

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This guy represents my friend's area, he seems like a really cool dude, right?

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>>194938
I mean, if you are just basing it on sheer cheerfulness...

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>>194882
I can't help but feel bad for Caitlyn. She's kind of unpopular all around.

Chelsea is cuter with long hair imo, she should grow it out again.

>>194904
Wtf? I'm a MAGApede now. Awoo!

>>194905
I didn't even know vaping indoors was legal to begin with. I always kind of assumed it was grandfathered in with smoking indoors.

>>194916
>30% of progressive activists think political correctness is a problem
Good.
>conservatives outnumber progressives 3 to 1
Ouch.

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>>194972
>I didn't even know vaping indoors was legal to begin with. I always kind of assumed it was grandfathered in with smoking indoors.
My Governor retroactively grandfathered it in, which is the literal opposite of what "grandfater" means in the context haha.

A blow to people who are trying to change their lives for the better, but it was really cutting into the tax revenue cigarettes generate.

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>>194972
lmao same here

although i remember going to the mall and seeing people vaping to sell their product when it was new

dunno why people care about people vaping

you cant smell it or anything

but yeah florida is retarded

beautiful

but retarded
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>>194977
Vapes are the AR15s of inhalants haha.

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>>194976
Well, I'm all for vaping, helped me quit smoking once and is gonna have to again. But legal or not, I feel like vaping in Walmart or something is just rude. I'm not entirely sure how these legislations work though; where can and can't you vape exactly?

>>194977
I think early on a lot of people found "vape culture" kind of annoying, seeing people blow thicc clouds all over the place. There's also a lot of pushback from the tobacco industry, trying to paint it as more dangerous than smoking, or even just as a mouth fedora, so people stay on the death sticks.

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>>194981
i know, right? they're also being attacked because apparently people are getting their products underage

buuuuut you know government

gotta regulate everything

cant have people manage their own lives and make personal choices

>>194983
i suppose that could be a factor

i personally cant get into vaping mainly because i dont like it

so i stick to death sticks

(ID: a41bd1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194986

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also good news for pretty much everyone here!

jeff sessions has resigned

bye bye neocon

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>>194983
It depends on the municipality. Some places vaping is stricter than smoking.

I cant vape in a hookah bar or cigar bar legally for instance.

I think its rude to, esp the people who "cloud chase". Honestly, i still vape inside because i do it, and have always done it discreetly, because im a respectful person.

But i think it should be up to the business to decide if they want to allow it, not the government.

>>194984
A lot of it has to do with the loud douche bags that have become the symbol of the culture.
Like AR15s.

Still, douche bags or not, it shouldn't be a legislative issue beyond setting age limits on who can buy.

I mean, ffs, a lot of people dont even vape nicotine.

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>>194988
>Still, douche bags or not, it shouldn't be a legislative issue beyond setting age limits on who can buy.
pretty much

they're free to be a douchebag

i dont care

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>>194986
Ding dong, the witch is dead
Rub your eyes, get out of bed
Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead!

>>194988
Yeah, if it's stricter than even tobacco, that's kinda bullshit. It's objectively less harmful, all the evidence shows it, even the """studies""" that attempted to show the opposite.

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194992

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>>194991
>evidence
Yeah because thats what drives legislation atm haha.

(ID: a41bd1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194993

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>>194991
this is very good news

im glad to hear it

the man has been attacking liberty the moment he had the job

>>194992
lol this

they couldnt care less

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194996

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Everyone got what they wanted for election day but me. haha

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>>194992
Too true.

>>194993
I'm ecstatic tbh. Sessions was easily the most prominent anti-LGBT figure in the administration. This is like waking up on Boxing Day and finding a new, even bigger present under the tree.

Here's hoping whoever takes over for Whitaker doesn't end up being more of the same.

>>194996
Who was /yourguy/? Why is his loss a threat to your business? Second Amendment stuff I'm guessing?

Ika (ID: 3dd713)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  194999

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>>194996
Don't feel too bad, I didn't get anything either.

(ID: a41bd1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195000

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>>194996
well, your election seemed like straight up corruption

>>194998
>Sessions was easily the most prominent anti-LGBT figure in the administration
yeah i know and he was also the same pushing the war on drugs

>Here's hoping whoever takes over for Whitaker doesn't end up being more of the same.

yeah, seriously

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>>195000
Trying to go after states that legalized, probably being the main guy behind the anti-trans stuff...getting rid of him is a huge win, as long as the new guy isn't just as bad.

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>>195003
yeah really

no more neocons please

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>>195004
>>195003
fuck sessions

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I find it particularly odd that every time something like this happens everyone is like, "Trump is gonna get what he wants! The world is gonna end! Fuck Trump!" then like the next day something like this happens and it's like, "OMG this is the best thing ever!"

I'm not a Trump supporter or anything, but I have to hand it to the guy that his "Everything went better than expected." moments seem to be piling up.

I'm still not sure if it's on purpose or what. I really like to think that Trump is playing everybody and just making himself look like a completely incompetent retard so when shit like this happens, no one gives him credit for it so he can just keep doing it and no one suspects a thing.

Everyone was like, "Oh god. WW3 with Korea cause Trump is a big baby and is gonna get us nuked."

*next week* So we made peace with N. Korea today....

Yesterday everyone was like, "Oh no! LGBT rights are gonna be gone!"

*next day* Most powerful LGBT opponent resigns...

I don't know exactly what the fuck he's doing but to be honest I can't say I'm against it.
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funny enough i like the idea of the democrats taking the house

i will tell you why

because thats going to make the federal government be stuck in the mud

meaning NOTHING is going to get done and i like when nothing gets done with the federal government

the only stuff thats going to be passed pretty much has to be bi-partisan which is pretty rare

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195167

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>>194999
>Don't feel too bad, I didn't get anything either.
My state will remain "sanctuary" so you can still come get welfare and free school, i mean, i don't get those things, but you can!
Just make sure you get your illegal state ID that the DMV has been directed to give you, and illegally vote Raimondo!

So really, you as a Mexican citizen got more out of this than I did haha.

>>195000
>well, your election seemed like straight up corruption
I was.

>>195074
No thanks.

>>195113
Agreed.

(ID: a41bd1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195172

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>>195167
>My state will remain "sanctuary" so you can still come get welfare and free school, i mean, i don't get those things, but you can!
>so really, you as a Mexican citizen got more out of this than I did haha.
isnt that just so fair!

Mk17 (ID: 32f7cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195184

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>>195172
Time to start identifying as an illegal immigrant I guess.

Give up my citizenship to gain the benefits of the US.

S'perfect.

Literally everyone i talked to today cant understand what happened because no one knows anyone who voted for her.

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>>195184
there's a pretty good chance your election was just flat out rigged from what it seems
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>>195186
Ya think?

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>>195191
i get the sarcasm

but the map that i saw looked like the jeb bush meme

it's just... i dunno

it doesnt make any sense

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>>195197
Map of my state?

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>>195206
idk it showed counties

on the brightside its gonna be sooooo much fun to cortez go full retard

i seriously cant wait!
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>>195211
>idk it showed counties
You don't know if it was a map of my state or not? haha.

>fun to cortez go full retard

Maybe, whats he plan to do?

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>>195215
it was and it was mostly blue

it was the nytimes site for election results

>>195215
>Maybe, whats he plan to do?
>he
oh no no no no
it this fine specimen named alexandria ocasio-cortez

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>>195113
I just hope the Equality Act makes it through. It seems like there are actually a fair amount of republicans who may vote "yes" on it, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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>>195230
its possible you know

dont lose hope

just like i told you last night

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>>195222
>it was and it was mostly blue
>pic
Idk it was pretty split.

>it this fine specimen named alexandria ocasio-cortez

Sorry what does she plan to do/why is she going to go full retard?

>>195230
You must be pretty happy your boy sessions dipped out haha.

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>>195241
It's pretty much a given that it'll pass the House thanks to a democrat majority. The interesting part is the Senate, where there are only 44 democrats, 2 independents, and 54 republicans.

One of those independents is Bernie Sanders, the other is Angus King. Bernie is a given; King supported the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which is similar.

As for republicans, Lisa Murkowski, republican senator from Alaska, is a guaranteed yes vote. Susan Collins of Maine cosponsored the ENDA. Rob Portman of Ohio and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania voted for it too. Even Mitt Romney of all people is a potential ally; he supported ENDA in fucking 1994, albeit back then, the text didn't include gender identity.

Assuming it doesn't get filibustered, I think it can definitely reach a simple majority of 51 votes. If it does get filibustered, the cloture vote would be significantly harder.

It's not a done deal, but I do think it has a chance.

>>195243
Apparently people are unironically pissed off about it because muh Russian hax investigation or somesuch. I say nothing of value was lost! How about do something that matters instead of wasting time on an investigation that's going nowhere, or trying to impeach someone whose term is almost half over anyway.

I just hope whoever replaces him is better, but that should be easy. It's pretty hard to imagine a more distasteful AG than Jeff Sessions.
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>>195243
okay that makes sense

>Sorry what does she plan to do/why is she going to go full retard?

because she is economically retarded

>>195244
well the senate has be approve of it and then it makes it way to the president who can veto it

but i can see trump approving it honestly

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>>195246
Yeah, I really don't see Trump vetoing it if it passes the Senate. The main chokepoint is getting the 60 votes if a filibuster forces a cloture vote.

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Apparently the reason the ENDA died in the House after passing the Senate is because the speaker, John Boehner, refused to even call a vote on it. What a dick, pun intended.

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>>195244
But what could possably be more than a giant political stunt?? /s

I respected the guy, but i never liked him, and i cant say im sorry to see him go.

...Depending on who replaces him.

>>195246
nice

>>195247
I love how much you have studied our political system. You are so welcome here!

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>>195247
exactly

but, it could pass

remember we've seen unprecedented things happen in the past

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>>195249
I try. It's kind of important to know this stuff, after all. I took a government class in high school, but I forgot a lot of it, since a) High school students are fucking lazy, and b) My stance on the government was "it blows lol, someday I'll live in a cabin where they can't bother me".

>>195251
Time will tell, I guess.

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>>195253
Thats still my stance. haha.

I didnt realise you were here on a greencard since highschool.

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>>195255
I've been here on a greencard since I was a toddler. My parents never felt the need to go all the way, and it was kind of an "I'll get around to it" thing when I turned 18.

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>>195256
>My parents never felt the need to go all the way
I was going to make a joke here...

Ah but thats cool. I had some Romanian friends in highschool who came here later in life, like during highschool.

I really think you should do it!

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>no English test exception for literally being more fluent in English than my native tongue
Lame.

>>195258
I'm definitely planning on it. Being eligible to vote is getting to be more and more important, and it's not like I vote in Romanian elections or pay very much attention to Romanian politics (although perhaps I should, while I still can).

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>although perhaps I should, while I still can

If you ever plan to make it your home again, it might not be a bad idea.

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>>195265
Yeeeah, that's not happening. Romania is a very, very not-so-good place to be trans.

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>>195266
I kind of figured it wouldn't be. But, if you ever want it to be, you at least have the power of the vote there atm.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 16ad33)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  195348

>>195335
Hey Mk, did you link an article earlier about Raimondo's own comments about her corruption? (Maybe I imagined it but if not) could you post it again?

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>>195348
I dont think i did.
I dont like her as a governor but i respect her enough to assume she wouldnt talk about corrupt things she's done in an artical haha.

Why do you ask?

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>>195369
You linked something shitty that she said on-stage, didn't you?

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>>195405
The only think i can think i might have linked would be the URI debate, but i dont remeber linking it. You can go through the thread and look but im on the go atm.

Why do you ask?

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 16ad33)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  195516

>>195424
Just because it's something that I'm interested in but forgot about until last night.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 16ad33)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  195518

>>195517
what do u meen

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: d51af8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195533

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>>195516
Ah, what interests you? Id be happy to discuss it.

You're from CT right?
>>195518
We posted at the same time, you answered my question as i was typing haha.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 011f06)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  195547

>>195533
No, I'm from CA.

It's just that I was talking to someone IRL about it and they're all "do you have a source for that" and I'm all "I guess I should probably get one".

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>>195547
Neat, im surprised you even know we exist.

When i get home i can look into finding sources. A lot of it is community "anecdotal" evidence and ill be honest, a lot of what im saying about it itt is just venting and small talk. Not like a hardened, refined, prepared argument.

!ScyphTlOY6 (ID: 16ad33)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  195554

>>195553
Huh...
Well in that case, the error is mine, because I really thought I remembered you saying that it was something that could easily be gleaned from her own words.

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>>195553
I did find a mention of it from Providence Journal, but that was just "Fung supporters are alleging..."

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so it turns in my state they are wanting to do a recount because more votes came in

do they accept defeat and move on?

of course not!

i tell you what, if you gillum wins the recount thats okay

i wont be upset it's fair and square, i guess

just gotta prepare how to live in a junkyard though lol

although it doesnt matter because theres a giant majority of republicans in the state congress who would just stone wall everything he does

if that happens we have to move to montana MK17 thats the deal

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195586

>>195578
At 5 p.m. Thursday, Snipes said Broward County finished counting early-voting ballots, with only mail-in ballots and provisional ballots remaining. Snipes said the county would finish counting ballots “soon.” Snipes added that the county has accepted 205 of 600 provisional ballots so far.

Mk17 (ID: f1f7cc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195591

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>>195578
If more votes came in, and it was a close race, i could see wanting a recount.

But yes, a deal is a deal.

Anonymous (ID: 71a83c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195592

>>195578
More shit just hit the electoral fan in Florida.

Rick Scott is suing Florida election supervisor Brenda Snipes, and Rubio is sounding an alarm about Dems 'stealing' race. Voter fraud charges are developing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-senate-candidate-rick-scott-sues-florida-election-supervisor-brenda-snipes-as-rubio-sounds-alarm-about-dems-stealing-race

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b30f22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195593

>>195578
>>195592
"Broward, the state’s second most populous county, where a court ruled in May that the office of the elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes, had illegally destroyed some ballots from a 2016 congressional race."

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>>195592
>>195593
Are you guys saying that she was found guilty of destroying ballots in May and she's still in charge of elections today?

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>>195591
i mean the dude conceded

i know that's not legally binding in anyway

but it should atleast be some sort of mature way of accepting your loss and moving on

but eh, whatever. democracy only applies when they just like when trump was elected

>>195586
>>195593
yeah, i been hearing broward county yet again is pulling this shit

>>195592
it's not the first time they've done this, believe me

theres always some sort of corrupted fuckery in florida elections

everytime

at this point i dont even give a shit if nelson wins

he can have a seat in the senate i dont care

i just dont want our state governor to be gillum

because if he wins and gets his way people trying to get on their feet today will set to fail. that fate will be sealed

>>195598
yes
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>>195603
because florida

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>>195557
DEBATE: The Providence Journal, The Public's Radio, URI present gubernatorial forum

This is the part of the debate i made mention of. When asked directly she dodges the question, talks about how she is somehow responsible for federal highway construction, and makes sure to point out that "every 'MAN' on this stage" wants another economic plan.

You need to also listen to fungs response. Im trying to find the projo article that he references, I've read it, but im having trouble finding it atm.

RI political reporting is not very deep tbh, so relying on news outlets can be hard. A lot of what goes on in RI politics is, and has been shady as fuck for a long time, we are really the most corrupt state (which, depending on how you look at it, isnt always a bad thing haha). But because there is only one degree of separation between everyone, what people say gets around.

Since, 'anecdotal evidence' isnt evidence, ill wont waste time explaining the situation as I see it.
Our political scene is hard to explain to people from other parts of the country, esp when you only have one major news outlet who is very picky and choosy about what gets reported.
In RI, its really not what you know but who you know, in other words, friendship is magic haha. I guess thats why ponys came from here..

I think i also talked about this a little, if not, bonus!
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20131017/News/310179861

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>>195607
you know im right

this state is a fucking mess

and the southern part of americas penis is the worst part likely almost topping tallahassee

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>>195611
So in other words... just the tip?

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>>195611
>>195618
Tallahassee is the balls

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>>195618
yup, but this part of the tip is enough to fuck us in the ass

and thats what its trying to do

you know it's a shame because south florida is really beautiful

although other side of that is the republican counties where naples is at

it's just as better

>>195621
this

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>>195621
I was just thinking that!

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>>195622
>you know it's a shame because south florida is really beautiful
This is how i feel about my state, and why its worth fighting for IMO. The natural resources here are amazing. The coast is amazing, we have so much forest, fishing, hunting, hiking.

The 17th century buildings, the architecture, the history the culture... its all so amazing. I really never want to be without it.

secretly crossing my fingers that your guy stays in so i dont have to go to Montana, but a deal is a deal haha

Its such a 50/50 split here too. Seriously, in every gas station, market and bank I've been in today, through about 4 towns, the conversation is the same... "how did this happen?" haha.
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>>195627
cities, basically

they usually make or break an election

the people who live in smaller cities like me

and people who live in small towns tend to vote red

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>>195630
Exactly! The only places that were solid blue, and not closer to a 50/50 split here were Providence Newport Jamestown and the east bay.

All places where there is no middle class, only super wealthy and super poor, the standard Dem voters.

The east bay area and Jamestown being the least diverse with mostly wealthy people. Mega rich folks who live in Newport move to Jamestown when they get sick of looking at poor people, and the east bay is mostly vineyards and decorative farms owned by mega rich folks.

No middle class in any of those places.

The only outlire is Kingston, and thats because URI is there and the population is mostly 18-23 year olds whos political philosophy comes from late night comedy shows haha.

Block Island went solid blue too, and thats because, like Newport, its just a campground for the wealthy.

Nick cage needs to pay his fucking taxes! and Christopher Walken need to stop holding up Wind farms because "muh view!" and Taylor Swift, if your reading this, the coastline is for everyone, you dont fucking own it, if im below mean high tide i can fish where i want! thats the law! ... end rant...

The local convo has been centered around, "I dont know ANYONE who voted for her" and the conclusion iv come to is because, mainlanders dont go to the islands much, and most people stay out of south providence. Also, many of her voters straight up dont speak English so we couldnt if we wanted to haha.
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>>195642
it's this way because they live comfortable lives and have absolutely no idea what life is like outside their areas. and even if they get a glimpse of if in their innercites they couldnt give a shit less about it

which is annoying as shit

if you look at the florida election you see the majority of the state as red

my country also being red which were beachside. the space coast

but then you see the cities its all blue

rural towns and smaller cities hate being ruled by them

a good example of this is a place called albany in new york. which is the result of bad policies and bad economics
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>>195647
It makes sense that the "space coast" would be red.

If military and space are a major industry, then republicans, being the ones that normally fund that sort of thing, would be the best choice.

Also, high amounts of engineers and logical thinkers.

Also, tourism in a place like that, being mostly made up of small businesses running on small margins and not giant corps like didney, would not want to be taxed out of existence.

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>>195655
oh yeah

hell, there's an air force base south of me and a space center north of me

>Also, tourism in a place like that, being mostly made up of small businesses running on small margins and not giant corps like didney, would not want to be taxed out of existence.

fucking EXACTLY

this is what these people dont fucking understand

their polices arent one size fits all

gillum's tax policies and wage increases would destroy our economy

this is why i hate when people say "hurr durr people in rural areas and small cities are voting against their own interests"

no we arent, we are voting for what wont destroy our economy

why is that so hard for them to understand?

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>>195667
>why is that so hard for them to understand?
Because they wouldn't associate with the likes of the middle class.

Your too poor to enjoy the "finer things" but too educated to fall for their shit.

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>>195700
i just wish they would keep their polices to their counties

and keep it out of mine

interesting how this works the same way between federal and state power

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>>195704
>interesting how this works the same way between federal and state power
Exactly!
Fed>State>County>Town>Privet Property.

The Fed is on top, because its responsible to limit the others to not infringe on freedom, then state so that counties down, and counties so that towns dont and ... ect.

The smaller the slice, the easier is is to manage the needs of that slice.

Another way to look at it would be
Fed<State<County<City/town<Privet Property.

Depending on the context.

Sorry about the late reply, i didnt realize this thread had saged and i just didnt scroll down that far for a bit haha.

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>>195740
if only it worked that way...

sadly everyone wants powers to come from the top

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>>195743
It's the natural order.

Its why communism is doomed to fail at the "dictatorship of the weirdos" because a power structure will form, and the person at the top, will not want to cede that power.

Its why the founding fathers (you know, those "old guys" who were mostly 18-35yo Liberals) gave us the constitution. They knew the power structure would form, and they gave us what they saw as the best defense against it.

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>>195745
yup, pretty much

i like the fact they make passing laws so slow and complicated

they believed thats the best way to slow down tyranny

unfortunately, they dont always follow the rules and give more power the president

im not talking about then i mean today

honestly if the constitution was truly followed our federal government would be so limited you wouldnt even notice it

and i think thats how it should be

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>>195747
The constitution is just words on a piece of paper, meaningless if not enforced, and the only people who are responsible to enforce it are we.

This is why voting is so important.

This is why millions of marijuana smokers are the truest Americans.

This is why the phrase "rule of law" is a double edged sword.

And this is why they want to keep us divided.

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>>195749
well, i mean its supposed to be enforced but its not sadly

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>>195751
Its your job. If its not getting done, it because you aren't doing it.

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>>195752
well i voted but it is currently not being trusted

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>>195757
But its more than just that...

Its living your life, freely.

Its why i use weed smokers as an example, the gov't made a completely unjust law, and what did they do? they said
>yeah... ight
Then ripped another bong.

This is why i say the phrase "Rule of law" is a double edged sword.
People who made their own alcohol were enforcing the constitution when they disobeyed and unjust law, and that law WAS A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF!

This is why they need to keep us divided, because when we dont stand together, not just for our own interests, but the interests of cig smokers, and the interests of alcohol drinkers, and the interest of sex workers, and weed smokers, and religious people, gun owners, and vapers, and folks who want abortions, and the interests of black, white, hispanic, indian, asian, ect people...

We've lost.

Freedom is a mindset, the only thing they can do to actually take away your freedom is to kill you, or put you in a cage, and im not going in any cage.

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>>195765
well, sadly government has passed laws that makes it pretty easy to throw you and in a cage

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>>195770
Thats why you have a gun.

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>>195777
for now

government has been chipping away on the 2nd amendment for a long time now

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>>195780
A million weed smokers people not registering, or turning in, and manufacturing their own rifles disagree.

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>>195784
true but what im saying is

here in the state of florida they dont care about that

if gillum does get elected then our 2nd amendment is toast

well maybe, because our congress is like 95% republican

not the point though

its just sad we a had a fair democracy and that isnt enough for them

not even an electoral collage problem

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>>195789
I dont think you are understanding my point, which is a philosophical point, so i cant provide any empirical evidence for it.

You have free will. The 2nd amendment cant be toast, because you will have the ability to have a gun whether the words are on the paper or not.

You can choose not to. You will be labeled a criminal if you have one, but you still have the FREEDOM to do so.

If the constitution is something you truly believe in, and its not just a "while its there" thing to you, then it can never go away. Remember, the bill or rights are rights bestowed upon you by nature itself, not by the pen of some lawmaker.

And if not, if you think that if they erase the words, then your freedom goes with them, you were never free in the first place.

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>>195792
i can believe in whatever i want to believe in

but i cant protect it on my own

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>>195793
Thats why friendship is magic.

and all that junk :P
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>>195792
>If the constitution is something you truly believe in, and its not just a "while its there" thing to you, then it can never go away. Remember, the bill or rights are rights bestowed upon you by nature itself, not by the pen of some lawmaker.
Not gonna downplay it. This is flat-out the stupidest take I've ever heard out of you. What happened? You used to be cool.

Do you seriously expect any of us to believe the average peasant in China has any real autonomy? Like, by this logic, you could justify stripping away any provision of individual rights in any government on the planet cause "it isn't necessary." Yeah sure, serfs in feudal Russia were """"free™"""" to abandon their servitude to go yolo cause their are no rails, you can't imprison the mind, maaaaaaaaaan! It's not like they had to face, oh, I don't now, any consequences for desertion in the form of getting chased down by the medieval knight mafia and shanked to death, they had the choice to throw their lives away because it's better than living as a slave! Yeah, that mindset was real relevant in the premodern world. It's not like feudalism lasted at least centuries of human history because coercion by threat of death is the ultimate form of depriving human freedom.

Get real. Free will means nothing. Legal measures are tactile and get results. That's all that matters. Lose the measures that prevent the natural monopolists of your lives from driving your ass in the ground and they WILL drive it into the ground. That's just cold hard reality.

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>>195792
>Remember, the bill or rights are rights bestowed upon you by nature itself, not by the pen of some lawmaker.

That's not how nature works. Nature doesn't bestow on you any thing but a repeated chemical reaction that keeps you alive until something causes critical system failure.

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>>195819
>What happened? You used to be cool.
Pffft no i didn't.
>Do you seriously expect any of us to believe the average peasant in China has any real autonomy?
Yes
>Like, by this logic, you could justify stripping away any provision of individual rights in any government on the planet cause "it isn't necessary."
No you couldnt, because the provision is a social contract and an understanding that politicians wont send men with guns to kill you or put you in a cage for doing what you do, or owning what you have. It makes for a more comfortable life knowing that you arnt beholden to government sanctioned kidnapping and murder.
>It's not like they had to face, oh, I don't now, any consequences for desertion in the form of getting chased down by the medieval knight mafia and shanked to death, they had the choice to throw their lives away because it's better than living as a slave!
I never suggested there wouldnt be consequences. If you disobey an unjust law, you are putting your life on the line. They did have the choice to throw their life away, they weighed their options and most chose to be slaves, most will always choose to be slaves, its the easy option.
>Yeah, that mindset was real relevant in the premodern world. It's not like feudalism lasted at least centuries of human history because coercion by threat of death is the ultimate form of depriving human freedom.
You're right, freedom and Liberty are very new concepts in the world, they might not work, they obviously dont work with you, so we will see how this plays out.
>Free will means nothing.
That one is sharp! But hey, these are personal philosophies and not science, you can* live as a slave, you can do what you are told, but if you advocate against tyranny, i would consider getting a new hobby, because if you think your personal freedoms come from the writings on a page, then you already live under it.

"I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” ( Thomas Jefferson).
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>>195830
>James Madison introduced a series of Constitutional amendments in the House of Representatives for consideration. Among his proposals was one that would have added introductory language stressing natural rights to the preamble.

The mindset of the writers of the constitution were that the rights that were stated in the bill of rights were rights that you were born with, that you had no matter where you were or what laws were written. Its simply a reminder of those rights.

Again, this is philosophical.

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>>195830
The founders believed our rights do not come from government

Its a thought that came from John Locke

The bill of rights doesn't grant anyone rights

It just tells government these are specific natural rights that they cannot violate

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>>195832
>>195834
The founders believed rights were handed down by God, hense the term 'god-given rights' being tossed around all the time.

Believing this to be so is to establish religion as state sanctioned, which is unconstitutional. I'm still surprised we put 'in God we trust' on our money, despite it being directly unconstitutional to do so.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: e3595a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  195837

>>195835
No, they said from our "maker" which could mean a lot of things

You could interprate that in many ways

Also "in god we trust" being on the currency was added pretty much a century later

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>>195837
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

To even establish them as any form of supernatural force is unconstitutional.

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>>195842
Uhh, Toy, that clause is simply talking about freedom of religion. It's saying Congress shall make no law prohibiting someone's right to choose whatever they practice.

Like they can't ban someone for being Muslim.
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>>195845
That's the second half. The first half states that Congress can not pass any laws, including amendments, in which religious belief is the primary focus of that law.

For example, Congress cannot pass a law that states going to church is mandatory, as well, if there are any laws prohibiting anything being done on Sunday due to it being the Sabbath, those laws are also unconstitutional.

Shira law is unconstitutional. Etc.

NO law based on a religious belief of any kind is allowed to passed in this country, which is why bans on gay marriage based on it being contrary to Christian teaching are also unconstitutional.
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>>195848
You're thinking too deep without having a knowladge of the actual words spoken by the people who wrote the bill of rights.

They were mostly atheists. "god" and "nature" were interchangable terms at the time.

They wernt infallible, and time changes the meanings of words.

But their intent was that they were rights of any creature born to this earth.

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>>195848
okay, so how is people saying "rights come from god" unconstitutional exactly?

thats just another form of speech which everyone is free to do so

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>>195851
The majority were actually Deistic Christians.

>>195852
Because it establishes that a God has the power to dictate the laws of man. I'm not saying rights should not exist. But attributing them to anything more than an agreed upon set of guidelines by a civilized culture is basically saying that it's okay for a religious belief to dictate laws, which violates the Constitution.

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>>195853
A majority of the framers of the constitution?

I suggest reading their own words if you want a better understanding of who they were.

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>>195853
but that's just it, it's from the deceleration of independence

>all men are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


there is no law established at all that has do with christianity or whatever

theres nothing unconstitutional about that

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>>195858
What if I don't have a creator? Unless you mean my parents.

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>>195869
I suggest reading their own words if you want a better understanding of who they were..

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>>195871
Show me.

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>>195870
i dont think you seem to understand

the deceleration of independence only sets principles on how government should behave and respect the freedoms that we inherent

that being said, the deceleration of independence isn't a legally binding document. but it is certainly a powerful document and influential to some.

so you, or any representative either choose to listen to those set of principles or not

there is no violation of the constitution here
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>>195875
The Declaration of Independence was basically a letter to the King of England to go fuck himself. It's actually a pretty hilarious read.
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>>195876
yes, i am aware, but it also says other things like i pointed out here >>195858

so you get what i mean

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>>195877
I get it. I just don't like the idea of 'rights' being something supernatural since it violates the core tennents of the first amendment.

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>>195879
yeah well, it's what the founders believed

like MK17 said it's philosophical

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>>195873
Autobiographies and memoirs are a good start.

Ben Franklin authored a few books, as did James Madison and others.

Here is Thomas Jeffersons autobiography

http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/Jefferson/Autobiography.html

But also this from the decliration itself
>When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate & equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
What they were saying, is creatures have natural rights, rights that are inalienable, and that those rights are present no matter what.

You get caught up on technicality a lot, so its hard to carry on a philosophical conversation sometimes. But keep in mind that phrases like "god" and "creator" are colloquialisms.

Just because they said "creator" dosnt mean you should be like "but im an atheist, so technically they weren't talking about me."

Understand that what they mean is "born of this world" in those instances.

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>>195882
Not a fan of wording that isn't direct when it comes to legal documents.

Philosophy is fine if it's not being used to dictate laws and rules.

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>>195884
All laws are philosophical. They come from the minds of humans, not the laws of physics.

We already had this discussion so i know how its going to end, so why bother doing it again.

But if your mindset is an immovable object with no flexibility to try to understand the context in which something was written, then your just going to have a bad time.

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>>195886
It's not that. For me it's that manipulating laws in order to abuse them is a huge concern of mine so I'm more anal about wording than most people.

The thing is that I understand intent, but intent is informal. In a court of law, the only thing that matters is technical definitions.

I think a lot of people misunderstand my position on a lot of these factors. I don't usually have a problem with the content or the intent. I have a problem with the technical application, because all I see is thousands of ways to abuse it.

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>>195893
But when you are talking about documents through out history, you have to accept that words and meanings can change, but the intent is what stays static.

This is why law is philosophy. Its interpreting the words and thoughts of people from the past, whether the past was 10 or 1000 years ago.

And if you write what you think is the most clearly worded, direct law every written by man kind, in 200 years time that will be called into question.

I mean...
>The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Seems clear as glass right? But, is it treated that way?

So hoping that human laws will work like a computer program, instead of just accepting that they wont, will just lead to frustration and depression.

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>>195896
this, that's judges tend to do rulings based on precedent

...well, some of them.

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>>195896
>The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

>Seems clear as glass right?


No. It's about as clear as a mud stained beer bottle to me, personally.

But I've run around this circle enough times already.
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>>195899
So what do you suggest?

Pick your favorite amendment, or law, and rewrite it in a way that is so rock solid that there is no room for interpretation, and anyone reading it would instantly understand its meaning, and there can be no argument about it.

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Also it has to cover all the complexity of human society and stand the test of at least 1000 years time. Yet still simple enough for all of the population to understand.

I'm honestly excited to see what that would look like.
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>>195902
I don't particularly have the time to write out a 10 page legal document at the moment.

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>>195905
>10 page legal document
see this is the problem with our current government

this is why it is so corrupted and out of control

because these tedious documents are so easy get through with loopholes because they attempt to seal them with more and more rules and regulations

it's a big mess

it makes it incredibly more complex

this is why our current income tax system is incredibly retarded

they could easily simplify it but they choose not to

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>>195905
Exactly!

How in the world is a 10 page legal document going to be simple enough for everyone in society to understand and leave no room for interpretation?

Im sorry but you want something that cant exist.

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>>195907
>>195909
The more complex something is, the more precise it is.

Complexity is a good thing, because it means more things are more clearly defined.

If I told you, "Meet me in 2019", the chances of you making that meeting are less than 1%. If you refine it to, "Meet me in January, 2019", your ability to estimate the proper meeting time jumps, but is still broad enough for large margins of error. The more factors we add, the lower the margin of error.

>2019

>January, 2019
>January 26, 2019
>January 26, 2019, 8:30 pm

The more complex we get, the more precise we get, and when we're talking about rules that dictate how people are allowed to live their lives, precision is paramount.
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>>195911
it depends on the context of the law

that means judges or whoever for that matter can interpret the law in a million different ways

well this could mean that and that could mean

even more 300 years down the road

complex and precise arent always going to work out

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>>195915
>>195911
>well this could mean that and that could mean
>even more 300 years down the road
This.

Also, so okay, now you have a million words that just say "you need to stop at a red light" dictating the speed and velocity that constitute "stop" and if its okay to roll an inch after, and millimeters away from the white line you need to be, and exactly the hue of "red" that is the legal "red" and whether or not some sun bleaching of the glass is acceptable, and to what degree, and how many LEDs need to be lit to constitute a fully lit signal.

But who the fuck is going to read that? Now you got a bunch of people breaking the law constantly because they dont even know it.

And what about when its a much more complex issue? Do you add 10000 more pages?

THIS has wayyyy more chance of being abused because most people will be ignorant of what the law even requires from them.

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>>195915
This is why you define things within the context of the law.

Modern legal documents do this all the time. If they use a term that represents something, the definition of what that thing entails is usually put in the beginning of the document.

>>195918
Most people don't know what they are laws are currently anyway, so this is a moot point. Also, not knowing how a law works is not a legal defense for breaking that law. That's not what I mean by abuse. When I say abuse I mean using technical definitions that are open to interpretation to twist the original goal of the law in question.

If you murder someone you can't just go, "Sorry, I didn't know there was a law against that." Whether someone fully understands a law doesn't really matter. You can't use that for abuse. What you CAN do is try to use obtuse wording in legal documents to do things they weren't designed to do.

For example, if I were to take the second amendment word for word, I could legally attempt to sue a firearm company for not giving me a free gun because by forcing me to pay for it, they are technically infringing on my right to own it. Shit like that.
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>>195920
but they dont always define anything

they just make it needlessly complicated and then it takes forever to repeal the damn thing

>Most people don't know what they are laws are currently anyway, so this is a moot point.

they might have a good idea about the laws if they werent so many complex laws on the books

even lawyers these days cant even fully understand a lot of these laws because most of the time they dont make any sense

>if I were to take the second amendment word for word, I could legally attempt to sue a firearm company for not giving me a free gun because by forcing me to pay for it, they are technically infringing on my right to own it

we've been with this one before and me, and several users told you how absurd this claim is

you arent entitled to anyone's property

the right only says you have a right to own one

no judge would even remotely take you seriously

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>>195923
>we've been with this one before and me, and several users told you how absurd this claim is

That's because none of you interpret things in a technical manner. Like I said, you can't do something like this because it's been elaborated on in other cases, but if we were to use the exact wording of the second amendment as is, without any other outside influences, I would have a solid case.

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>>195920
Toy... no where am i arguing that ignorance of the law means you are free to break it, your injecting that into the convo and idk why, but its just going to cause us to talk in circles.

And your right, it is already too complex, but its not a moot point, because its making a situation where people are criminals and dont even know its and judges and law enforcement don't even know the laws they are trying to manage because there are more words than a human could reasonably read in a life time.

And for some reason you think that people not even knowing what laws say will keep them from being abused?

And for some reason you think the solution is more complexity?

>For example, if I were to take the second amendment word for word, I could legally attempt to sue a firearm company for not giving me a free gun because by forcing me to pay for it, they are technically infringing on my right to own it. Shit like that.

I guess, you can take it to that extreme if you want, its like you have no life experience to rely on to tell you why that probably wont be the case, and its just an argument for arguments sake.

It sounds like you just want to press the "make life perfect" button to me.

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>>195925
>It sounds like you just want to press the "make life perfect" button to me.
Doesn't everybody?

>I guess, you can take it to that extreme if you want


That's the entire point. That's the entire purpose of being a lawyer. To bend laws without breaking them. That is their entire job. Taking it to that extreme is what they get paid for.
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>>195924
you dont need to do it in a technical manner

historical precedent and case law should tell you this

if you were to make that claim saying the 2nd amendment can say people have to give them their guns (their property free of charge) the judge is gonna straight up laugh in your face

thats to say you even get a case for something so absurd
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>>195927
>Doesn't everybody?
No.
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My answer still stands, even after you edited your question.

>>195927
>That's the entire point. That's the entire purpose of being a lawyer. To bend laws without breaking them. That is their entire job. Taking it to that extreme is what they get paid for.
Which is why there is a judge and a jury to laugh them out of the court when they make the ridiculous argument you posed.

If thats what you think lawyers do... you must know a lot of hungry lawyers.
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>>195929
>>195930
Okay, see what you are doing here is bullshit.

>The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


>Seems clear as glass right?


If it were 'clear as glass' would it NEED historical precedent to back it up? Would it NEED to have various other court cases define exactly what that means? Would it NEED any outside sources of any kind in order to use it to make a decision?

No. It wouldn't. It needs extra bullshit and examination because it is NOT clear at ALL. Which is the entire reason you NEED to reference historical precedent and the information from previous cases.

So you either NEED the extra deliberation to determine how it should be processed, meaning the law is n