>what kind of music do you listen to?
That never ends well.

>that's not real music

That's cute. Then again, I thought the same thing when I was 13. I think if you give him time, he will realise his mistake when he's crumpin' to Kid A.

This song is proof that Electronic > Twing-Twang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC16FJTI6XM

Rock n' roll should just die already...

>Techno or Dubstep as a term for all electronic sounding music.

>>9607
I thought it was already dead.

>Using the term "real music"
Thankfully that's only somethign I've seen on the internet.

>I'm sorry for what my generation has done to music, I only listen to good bands like <insert dadrock band here>

>Any Youtube comment that has been made ever

>>9612

Also this

>>9611
It is a resuscitated corpse that drags on and on only to defecate and rot, leathery skin sheathing blood and bones but unable to conceal the frail form of it's foundation, it walks in circles and draws a crowd of sympathy and horror, the crowd is a sadistic mass not willing to look away and only to look on. It is sick, it is taking all of music down with it, it is parasitic and shares the spirit of dead man clinging selfishly and in desperation for a last gasp, a self perpetuated torment. Rock music is an actor and a corporate man selling styrofoam cups at a wake.

rock has been assimilated into the larger buying culture to find it's true destiny is to be a symptom, stunting the growth of true artistic creative expression with its bloated mainstream inflation.

>there is no bass in rock music

*sarcasm*
Everything I've ever known is A LIIIIIIE!
*sarcasm*

But seriously, are you kidding me?

You know what's more irritating than rock elitists?

Electronic elitists.

Normally, due to personally enjoying rock, I'd just have my jimmies slightly rustled. But after studying the history of music for the past week, I just want to say rock music is never going to die due to being synonymous with rebellion since the 70's.

TL;DR, rock isn't dead, and it never will.

>>9626

I would say that dadrock and metal elitists are generally much worse.

Unless by Electronic, you mean Dubstep and DnB elitists in which case I would agree.

>>9627
I do enjoy rock music from time to time as well, but I'm not going to fool myself.

It was the rebellion OF 60s/70s. Connecting rock music nowadays with any kind of rebellion is ridiculous.

And the classic approach rock is dead creation-wise. It's the same thing as big band music, but many people refuse to see it.

>not real music

By definition, ALL music has, in some way or another, pitch, rhythm, dynamics, timbre, and texture.

Electronic music has all these things, except artificially produced on a machine rather than on an instrument. Hence, it is music.

Or, to put it succinctly, Stranger is a total fucking moron.

>>9629
Yeah but it was the same themes from those decades that pretty much defined what rock was about; politics, social changes, non-conformism, etc. Problems we will always have, which is why I said rock will never die.

I do agree that the classic approach of rock is dead. But the same thing happens to all genres of music, manestream tastes get bored after a couple of years and want something new, so the music genre evolves to match those tastes.

>>9614

Oh, come on. Sure, rock music is corporatized, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. You could make the same argument about modern soul music, and there's still plenty of innovative stuff coming out of that scene.

Yeah, the fans are insular and often dumb. But if the past five to ten years are anything to go by, things are going to change. There's so much exposure to all sorts of kinds of music now that it's only so long before it percolates into popular culture and people stop caring about "rock", at least as we know it.

>>9639

And honestly, are they any different than the fifteen year olds who just discovered the latest variation on club music and dislike anything more experimental than trance or dubstep?

Honestly the only thing wrong with these people is that they're not exposed to the right stuff at the right time.

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You and the stranger both like music.

Stranger: Hola o.o'''

You: hi.

Stranger: Whats up?:D

You: doin pretty good, you?

Stranger: decent :)

You: whats your music tastes.

Stranger: Eh anything cept for County and Rap

Stranger: you?

You: eh....

You have disconnected.

>>9638
Really? If I recall correctly, rock lyrics, just like lyrics of almost any genre, could be about anything and don't focus on any specific topic. There's much more lovesongs than social/political stuff.
Also, considering that there are so rebellious and borderline genres nowadays, rock has become rather a synonym of conformism (it's mostly music kids inherit after their parents)

Of course we do have some new fields of rock that are doing well. Avant-garde will always find something new, we have the high-tier indie rock and math rock like Modest Mouse or Unwound... but I thought we were discussing rock at its purest form, like Led Zep. Imagine them starting as a band today.

>>9657
Such a undeniable classic.

Oh god I used to spout that shit too. I'm glad it's over...

>>9657

>Everything except rap and country.
>Discerning entire genres.
>ISHYDDT

>"The only rap I listen to is Childish Gambino, all other rap is stupid"

nigga what

>>9659
Of course music, no matter the genre, can be about anything, but each genre does have it own niche themes.
I'm not too sure I follow your statement that there are other rebellious/borderline genres though; I've never heard of someone saying they listen to country or rap because it makes them feel rebellious for example.

I was just talking about rock in general though. There's no way Led Zepplin would be famous if they came out now.

>>9691
Have you heard Those Poor Bastards? You have some dark, psychedelic, death-themed lyrics there, and it's country music.
Have you heard RATM? Hard to find anything more angsty and rebellious, and yeah, it's classic rapcore. (or maybe you have in mind "rap" as hip-hop music. There would be something there too)

And really, rock'n'roll today is music for a glass of wine. Compare it to noizecore, screamo, black metal, grindcore.

Rock in general is too wide to have any specific discussion about it. On one hand, during the 70s we had a wave of progrock, then new wave in the 80s. On the other hand, there was drugged glam and rebellious punk, then some poor attempts to go back to the rebellion via grunge.
I, personally, don't see rock as a genre, it's a huge cluster of genres. "Rock" means nothing, like "electronic music". You could as well say just "music".

>>9691
>I've never heard of someone saying they listen to country or rap because it makes them feel rebellious
>implying Movies for the Blind isn't a soundtrack for drug addicted rebellious youth
>implying the major criticism of that album isn't that it's -too- rebellious

>>9693
I was actually gonna use RATM as an example of rebellion in rock...
Like I said, whatever music genre you're in, the song can be about anything, but they have niche themes.

You could say the same about any genre of music though, if you're talking about jazz you could mean pure jazz from when it originated in the late 1800's, swing jazz from the 30's, then there's also jazz rap and jazz rock. etc.

>>9702
>implying I didn't also say music can be about anything

I didn't mean there's absolutely none of those themes in either genre, I'm saying it's not as common to hear compared to rock.

>>9739
>political hip hop
Mostly rebellion

>horrorcore
angsty rebellion

Hip Hop currently is putting out a lot more rebellious stuff than rock I think. Name a few recent rock albums that revolve around rebellious themes. And I mean rebellious as in 2011-2012, because I can name multiple hip hop albums like that.

I think you just don't know the genres at all to be honest.

I mean shit, saying hip hop isn't rebellious when it has so much of it's roots in groups like Public Enemy...

>>9740
Horrorcore isn't about angsty rebellion, it's mostly dark and demonic stuff...

If you want rebellious themed rock, just look at Megadeth. They've always had rebellious and political themes and recently released their 13th album. There's also Warbringer's Worlds Torn Asunder, Ministry's 99%ers, and Chthonic's Takasago Army

And again, I'm not saying rap/hip hop isn't rebellious, I'm saying it isn't known for attracting people because it makes them feel rebellious like with rock.

>>9603
13? My friend still listens to MCR at 17. Why, I have no idea.

>>9743
>Horrorcore isn't about angsty rebellion
About half of it is. I mean, Necro might not be, but listen to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJiAPJVCVcs

Cage is a semi-big horrorcore rapper

>>9745
I'm not sure what to say. I mean, I could say that it didn't really seem like horrorcore to me, but that's just nitpicking.

>>9739
Yes, exactly! I don't use the term "jazz" as a genre either.

>>9744
I know one who listened to them, and he was 21 at the time, so...

>Ever
>Thinking opinions can be correct
>ISHYGIDDYDIDDYDEEDEEDLEDEEEWHOOOOP
Let's just all forget our 4chan morals.
Put our thinking caps on.
And stop coming across as braindead infants.

So uh
How about enjoying a variety of different musical genres.
I happen to enjoy Johnny Cash, Metallica, Megadeth, Virtual Boy, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Liquid Stranger, Bob Marley, Eminem, Blue October, The Protomen and System of a Down.
inb4 shitstorm

>reading through this thread
I
am
so confused.
>>9693 is right, Rock is too broad of a genre to talk about, I can't even tell if <disc> was talking about rock in general or a subgenre called rock n roll. What would that even be? 50s rock? I dunno.

As for OP, I'm going with >>9628
And genre wars.
No one cares about "tearing down the hip-hop regime"
Both exist
shut up
and listen to what you like
One genre
Is not going to ruin your life

Oh, and Rock Band vs. Guitar Hero wars too.

And we can't forget those annoying hipsters that hate mainstream because it's mainstream and would do everything in their power to make sure their "special" bands stay out of the general listening public

>>9744
Late question, but what's MCR?

>>9789
Rock Band vs Guitar Hero you say?

Guitar Heroes harder to play on expert, but Rock Band has better songs.

And I'm guessing MCR is My Chemical Romance

And this is why I almost listen exclusively to Space-Age pop anymore...

>>9789
I was actually kind of messing around, I felt like stretching out my writing so I engorged myself in a bunch of grotesque metaphors to make an absurd point.

But I do believe that rock music (in the broad sense) is too constricting for the greater advancement of modern music and how we listen to it.

>>9798
just from a musician's standpoint that is.

So, I'm just walking into this thread to say that I'm a huge progressive rock/metal fan. I.E. Animals as Leaders, Dream Theater, T.R.A.M., Gru, Vildhjarta, Meshuggah, etc.

What are your thoughts on this type of music?

>>9801
YES. People like you are hard to find.

>>9801
I need to listen to more prog. To be honest, I only know Dream Theater best

>>9798
Ok, to be honest this doesn't make much sense to me. Do you mean that rock tends to be "more of the same thing"? or something along those lines?
I mean, I don't want to get into a discussion about something i barely know anything about..

>>9803
not really. forget about it...

>>9803
A digression:

It hurts me to see that people define prog via DT.

I don't mean to point fingers or anything, but when I see self-proclaimed progheads, whose horizons end on Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree, who don't even know Alan Parsons, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Omega, Yes, and sometimes even King f-ing Crimson... it's really sad.

>>9805
Oh, I know of Yes!
kinda

But yeah, I try to be careful when I mention things like that, I'm already aware that DT isn't the most popular band amongst avid listeners of the genre.

Which brings me to another thing for OP:
People who take subgenres too seriously. I think the subject's been touched on already, but really:
>Deadmau5 song comes up in a dubstep playlist
>"THIS ISN'T DUBSTEP"
>"Who cares? It's a good song, isn't it—"
>"EXCUSE ME?? IT'S MY JOB TO CARE, MY BOYFRIEND'S A DJ"
Okay, so Deadmau5 isn't dubstep. CALM THE FUCK DOWN, LADY. YOUR LIFE ISN'T RUINED. IT WAS A MISTAKE, STOP ACTING LIKE A MISLABEL SOILS THE HONOR OF EVERYTHING THAT GENRE LIVES BY.

>>9801
do you like mastodon?

this is a true story(trust me) and the stranger also watches MLP
>me ~ hai
>stranger~ hi
skip some dialouge....
>stranger~ what music do you like?
>me~ stuff along the lines of Attack Attack! BC13, Escape The Fate, Blood On The Dance Floor
>stranger~ Oh ok so you like SCREAMO
>me~ Are
>me~ You
>me~ Fucking
>me~ Retarded?

seriously that shit drives me insane. Also the story has a happy ending coz the stranger in the story was talking shit about one of my Juggalo friends so he broke the kid's arm in a fight. Kid deserves it for being that ignorant

This thread is full of electronic elitists. Oh my.

Rock isn't dead, the music industry has just been replaced by a new era of music.

I don't like how the industry is right now, there's so little passion and talent involved. Granted, there are artists that bring alot to the table, and deserve to be musicians, but so many hip-hop, rap, and electronic artists don't have an ounce of talent in their blood.

I've recently had my views on electronic music changed. I absolutely love the House and Ambient Rock genre's, and am slowly realizing more and more the amount of good artists there are for it.

But the traditional bands won't ever die. Just look at The Black Keys, they represent classic blues in their style, something that died along time ago, and the Keys just hammer it back in. SO much awesome.

>>9826
You're right, none of the bands you described are screamo.

>>9827
>this thread is full of electronic music elitists
huh, what?

>>9747
but Jazz is a genre in-so-far as it encompasses Be-Bop, Swing, the Avant-Garde and Fusion everything in between and beyond. There is a very particular spirit in Jazz.

>>9826
>this entire post

babby... babby pls...

>>9826
>Blood On The Dance Floor
What are you even doing?
>>9827
>but so many hip-hop, rap, and electronic artists don't have an ounce of talent
I'm sorry I'm as big of a rock fan as you can get, but that statement is just wrong. This mindset is becoming far to common, and it is one of the reasons why I am a little embarrassed to be affiliated with the modern rock community. If you can't tell me the differences between Lil Wayne and, say, Big K.R.I.T and tell me who the better rapper is you have no rite to talk about hip hop. Talent can take shape in more ways that just musicianship, and if you can't recognize a electronic producers talent for composition, then your definition of talent, and in a broader sense your definition for general quality, must be rather shallow. While I agree with you on the point of rock still being relevant it is unwise to discredit whole genres of music just because it doesn't use traditional instruments.
10/10 would rage again
Also
>Black Keys
>Good
Pick one

>>9834
you remind me of this other guy who went by Rainbow.

>>9828
I think you could also say it about rock. Despite being so widely understood and diversified, there too is a specific spirit to it.
Jazz also stretches from big bands to hip-hop.
Well, I'm not saying this "system" is perfect. Music classification is not an exact science, it's just my approach.

>>9827
>This thread is full of electronic elitists
Funny, I have seen none so far.

Also, you clearly missed the point of the discussion, and it seems you don't get that what you know from the past is those few bands that survived the trial of time, and that the Sturgeon's law applies everywhere equally.

>>9835
I miss him. He made this board much more fun.

"Mr. Oizo is just shitty techno music."
>Techno
>TECHNO

>>9826
>stuff along the lines of Attack Attack! BC13, Escape The Fate, Blood On The Dance Floor

>>9859
If you have been around here long enough you should probably already know who this is.

Just chill out and give him his space. He gets antsy when you say things about his favorite bands.

>>9860
Which is why I must do it.

>>9827
>saying the Black Keys are good
>trying to say hip hop is bad

ISHYDTT

>>9860

That is one of the most passive-aggressive posts I have ever read.

You should come on mumu