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10253 No. 10253
Because it's time this genius was celebrated.

Songwriter, play writer, poet, actor, eccentric old man.

Here is a song to listen to while in this thread, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-t9z8OLoCg

ITT: We talk about Mr. Waits and his creations.

Dear mods, please keep this thread in /vinyl/, /vinyl/ is a wasteland.
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>> No. 10254
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10254
I'm real happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but Kanye West is the greatest Songwriter, play writer, poet, actor and eccentric old man of all time. All time.
>> No. 10255
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10255
>>10254
Mr. Waits was a better devil in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus than Kanye ever will be.
>> No. 10256
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10256
>>10255
Of
>> No. 10257
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10257
>>10256
All
>> No. 10258
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10258
>>10257
>> No. 10259
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10259
You're all wrong, Mahler is best pony
>> No. 10260
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10260
>>10254
>Kanye West
>Old
>> No. 10261
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10261
>>10258
You sit on a throne of lies and folly.
Tom Waits is best. Now begone, heathen!
>> No. 10262
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10262
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5HrA9R17DM
>> No. 10263
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10263
>>10262
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxVo5mjK4eg
>> No. 10264
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10264
>>10263
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pevEhXiEgzY
>> No. 10265
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10265
>>10260
Kanye West is fuckin amazing, he's whatever he wants to be.

>>10261
DID WAITS MAKE GRADUATION?
NO, THEN FUCK YOU AND FUCK HIM
>> No. 10266
>>10264
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAZQOeKnQIc&feature=related
>> No. 10267
>>10265
Has Kanye been performing for as long as Tom? Has Kanye written as much as Tom? Is Kanye even in the same rank as Tom? No. Tom is above and beyond the likes of Kanye and his noise. Here at the Church of Waits, we speak only truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2MjRcVO4g
>> No. 10269
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10269
>>10267
>Kanye
>Noise
>

Kayne doesn't make noise music, he makes hip-hop, silly Matt.
>> No. 10270
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10270
>>10269
SSshhhh! I don't know that!
>> No. 10271
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10271
>>10270
Here is some proper noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRZdFqAOGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH5EAUCzHfA
>> No. 10272
>>10271
What is this music and why does this exist?
>> No. 10273
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10273
>>10272
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9C3t4JTJm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7s1DW8rpVE
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10274
>>10273
>> No. 10275
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>>10274
I think I found something more in your style, Matt.
>> No. 10276
>>10275
Let's try to keep this in tune with the thread, alright?
>> No. 10277
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10277
>>10275
>Forgot link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oiRiujiGoY
>> No. 10278
>>10277
>more like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdE__dqc0Yk
>> No. 10279
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>>10278
Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSgWMXKMiTg
>> No. 10280
>>10279
Not really.
>> No. 10281
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10281
>>10280
This?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CCw6ZgWk-U


That's all the folk I have...
>> No. 10282
>>10281
Interesting song... A thumb up.
>> No. 10283
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>>10282
I know you like Tom Waits, but who else do you really like?
>> No. 10284
>>10283
Crosby Stills and Nash.
Neil young.
Bob Dylan.
Steely Dan.
Joan Baez.
America.
The Beatles.
The Beach Boys.
The Carpenters.
The Mama's and the Papa's
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
>> No. 10285
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>>10284
>All those old people.
>> No. 10286
>>10285
>all those talented old people.
>> No. 10287
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>>10286
Do you sometimes feel like you were born in the wrong generation?
>> No. 10288
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>>10286
Are there any young musicians you like?


Once all the old people die out, then your musical taste be stuck in time.
>> No. 10289
>>10287
Not really.
The music still exists and some of the artists still tour.
>> No. 10290
>>10288
I like one band, they're called Remedy Drive.
Also, once all my favorite artists die, I'll take the torch and start running too.
>> No. 10291
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>>10290
Wow, one band...you must have a hell of a backlog to sort through.
>> No. 10292
>>10291
My real tastes lie back in the 60's and 70's.
>> No. 10293
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>>10292
...What genres of music do you listen to?
>> No. 10294
>>10293
Folk, folk rock, jazz, rough jazz, rock jazz, soft rock.
>> No. 10295
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>>10292
That seems awfully limiting.

Music is in a better place than it's ever been, we have so much more when it comes to tools for music making now.
>> No. 10296
>>10295
Whatever happened to playing real instruments? You know, those things with strings that vibrate? They used to be made out of wood. They made a really warm sound.
>> No. 10297
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>>10296
Why can't a computer be considered a "real" instrument?

What qualifies something as :real" or "fake"?
>> No. 10298
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10298
>>10296
>real instruments
>implying that there is a such thing as a real instrument
>implying a turn table isn't far more difficult to use than a guitar
>> No. 10299
>>10297
I wouldn't call it an instrument because the sounds it's producing are being forged from internal memory. It's pre-recorded and modified. Sure, you can make some pretty cool stuff on the computer, but the real stuff, the wooden stuff, the stuff you don't have to plug into the wall is the good stuff.
>> No. 10300
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>>10299
With that being said, you are against guitar amps, right?
>> No. 10301
>>10299
So only wooden, fully acoustic instruments are "real" instruments?
>> No. 10302
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10302
>>10299
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYB71pOd8AE

But there's no difference between this and something recorded with 'actual instruments'.
>> No. 10303
>>10301
"Wooden" was a mistake to use. I meant physical things. You know, real horns, real drums, real guitars. If you want to perform at a concert you'll have to play them in front of other people. Those are real instruments... at least to me.
Hell, this is the internet, my opinion is wrong because the majority says so.
>> No. 10304
>>10300
No. I'm not against any of it.
>> No. 10305
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>>10303
But you can do turntablism and mix music live

That just sounds like it's dangerously close to declaring "real music"
>> No. 10306
>>10305
Aannnndd you win.
I'm a zealot with music.
>> No. 10307
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>>10303
Well, a computer is physical, a turntable is physical, a keyboard is physical.
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>>10303
But synths, turntables, and computers are physical things that you can play live too.
>> No. 10309
>>10306
But music at it's very base definition means ordered sounds.

I mean, I'm a huge music zealot to, but describing something as 'real music' or 'fake music' is just asinine.
>> No. 10310
>>10299
You're targeting the wrong aspects, mate.
The issue isn't the tone or timbre, it's the accessibility.

The notion that anyone can torrent a program and pump out high quality sounding music (in terms of production, not composition) and use presets that spell out the scales, chords and other aspects of music theory that is what's dragging down the art of musicianship these days. There's little desire to perfect your skill, because the tools are laid out in front of you! That doesn't mean it doesn't have it's merit, though; I mean the same concept seems to apply to vocal work and singing in the sense that.. well, it's pretty much the easiest aspect of music to get started up in and that accessibility promotes mediocrity. That doesn't suddenly discredit every vocalist in existence, though; it over-saturates the market, sure but it's unfair to discredit more modern compositional styles because their accessibility ruined the appeal and general quality that's available to us these days.

Does that make sense or does that sound like rambling?
I wanted to stay out of this because I'm too tired to properly word my post (can't you tell?) but I can't help but feel that your frustration is a little misguided in this instance. Hate the player, not the game.
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>>10310
I'm pro-torrenting because it -does- bring more people into the music scene and allows people who would go unnoticed to be heard by someone...
>> No. 10314
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>>10309
I feel the same way and I have always appreciated Tom Waits. Even Tom Waits dabbled in electronic music for a time.

Also people say I have a mature taste in music, particularly my music teachers, and I listen to metal, what does that say about me?
>> No. 10315
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>>10314
This.

Regardless of what gripes people have, there are merits to be found in almost every genre of music. The fact that electronic music isn't played with "real instruments" (whatever that means) is irrelevant as you can still appreciate the songwriting and overall moods they create. It still takes talent to create a great electronica song.
>> No. 10319
I am a little late to this conversation but here goes nothing.

The notion that at this point in time there exists a branch of music that is not "real" is totally asinine. To say that all music produced in the past was %100 quality is to devalue your favorite artists. There was bad, overproduced, pop music with no soul in the 70's just like there is today. Just because Queen made it's music a few decades ago doesn't change the what they actually wrote. Quality of music is not based on medium, style, delivery, or even the tools used to make it. If that were true the landscape of music would never change, we would just play jazz, or rock, or whatever you would deem to be "true" music. The fact that genres such hip-hop, EDM/IDM, or the whole culture of sample based music is a sign of music's progression as an art, not a regression. When you say that a turntable/computer isn't a real instrument you sound just like the people who said the electric guitar in the 30's and 40's. I'm a drummer, I play an acoustic instrument, and the idea that one day drum machines will take over all of music does trouble me. However, does that stop me from enjoying a good Eazy-E album, or devalue what Death Grips are doing? Does it ruin what the underground IDM artists work? Not really. What makes good music, good music, is the composition and not the tools used to create it. I am able to look past the use of samples, drum machines, synths, loops, general use of electronics and see the music for what it really is.
I used to be in the same spot in regards to the tools of production as you are Matthew just a few years ago. Hip-hop was just shallow music for 17 year old white girls, and EDM wasn't fairing any better. Then my friend forced me to sit down and listen to an album, NWA's Straight Outta Compton. While the general sound of the record didn't do a whole lot for me, and in general I really didn't enjoy it on my first listen. I wrote it off as just another bad rap album.However when I dug a little deeper on repeat listens I was shocked by something: the lyrics. Wile they weren't elegant in a traditional sense they were really well thought through. They perfectly painted a picture of what it would be like to be a disenfranchised youth at that point in time. So I dug a little deeper again, but this time into hip-hop in general. I noticed all the things that I loved in punk (my all time favorite genre) were core parts of the hip-hop sound and philosophy, I really couldn't deny that. Flash forward to the present and hip-hop is one of my favorite genres. The fact that all most all hip-hop is sampled doesn't bother me, it's really no different than rock music. The tool a band, collective, or artist uses to make their music will never cover up how good or bad their general songwriting chops are. Even back in the 70's there was a huge difference between Queen, and King Crimson even though they both used the same tools. The same idea rings just as true today as it ever did. To devalue whole genres music just based on the tools they use to make it is nothing but ignorant.
>> No. 10337
Oh Matthew, why do you call the best board a wasteland?

Also you might like Mumford and Sons Matt, they're up your alley. British folk, though, so I dunno how you feel about that.

Also Tom is brilliant.
>> No. 10369
Back on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prW8d75BtMY
>> No. 10371
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-aoNLdKrXs
>> No. 10373
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10373
Tom is best experienced when drunk off your ass and in an absolute I-Don't-Give-A-F---K frame of mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlgZA2R_RWU
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10374
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tbHZIULsM
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