>>119335
We've reached a consensus. Expect an announcement sometime within the next week.

>>119337
Alright. Good stuff.
Thank you for the quick response.

>>119337
Wait... so a consensus was reached, but we have to wait for an announcement? May I ask why, it seems like if you all have agreed on something, it would not be so hard to say what happened.

I understand the desire to be tactful, and avoid a mudfest... but...

>>119364
I think they're just letting us stew for a bit, make some tinfoil hats. You know, the usual.

>>119364

They are likely working on how to best put the announcement, such that they don't do anything bad like call us all thin-skinned, anti-social fuzzchins. Though that would be quite the spectacle, I imagine, it does very little to endear themselves to the audiences most affected by any changes they might have.

Hyperbole aside, I don't see much point in getting antsy about an announcement we already know is coming. Give them a week like the boss man said before demanding to know what's up.

>>119365

Always preferred teacups to tinfoil hats.

>>119368
>They are likely working on how to best put the announcement,
That is precisely what they must be doing. Still though, it will have been 7 weeks between the first attempt to "announce" the change on this matter and now this third attempt. We know the saying about a million monkeys, but needing that long to figure out how to finally word what you want to say makes one less than enthusiastic about it, and even the first tries weren't offensive, simply done so poorly and haphazardly as to exasperate their audience. Besides which, I doubt anypony who has been here any length of time really expects anything different, or expects to be pleasantly surprised. I would worry less about not endearing themselves to their audience and more about why they continually put themselves in such untenable positions.

>>119370
Whatever happens, happens.
Humans are a race that can adapt.
I'm sure whatever happens something will be made out of it.
Just gotta wait and see.
Patience is a virtue.

>>119368
Well, they have had three threads already, all of them with the same message over the span of this whole thing. I think they got plenty of practice (and warning) at this point to make a good post, maybe even get an outsider (or two, or three) to help them make a good message.

The mudfest needs not to come if they choose and speak wisely, but how like is one not to happen anyway?

Wait and see, wait and see.

>>119372
>Wait and see

Indeed.

... I think I'm going to take my leave of this thread, then. Cheers.

>>119368
My guess is that !!Celestia is trying to get the whole mod team in to discuss the final message. Alas, getting every mod from all of the different timezones into a chat at the same time is probbaly holding it up.

>>119381
They were waiting for all the mods to weigh in to get a decision. I think the message should have been part of that discussion.

>>119368
>Give them a week like the boss man said before demanding to know what's up.
The thing is... it is hard to wait. when we have been waiting. we waited to have !!tia back, then we waited again, then we waited for the mods to discuss, now we are waiting for them to figure out how to best word it. How long have we been waiting? Being generous and ignoring the first nineteen thousand posts, we have waited 95 days.

I think that is a bit excessive when you look at it. We are told to be patient... but when we are forced to wait on a very important decision for upwards of three months... there is no room, or justification for waiting any longer.

>>119370
The problem with the first announcements were that the mod who did them did them without a consensus from the other mods. We apparently have that consensus, why wait? Just tell us the facts without insulting us, and we can deal. However making us wait longer, inspires no confidence, and honestly feels insulting.

>>119398
If they've chosen the unpopular decision, they could be spending the time to refine (or simply come up with) their justifications for the choice. They'd have to come up with some pretty airtight defences, considering the merge option was an easy majority and a lot of points and suggestions were raised for its use over the split boards.

Alternatively, it could just be beauracracy in motion, like any proverbial glacier. Bills to sign, letters to stamp, evil sisters to banish to the moon... You know, !!Celestia stuff.

>>119398
While I can understand your position, I suggest keeping your cool. As I see it, this was just waiting to happen anyway and now they are trying to cover their backs when it's made official. This is understandable, considering the situation has exploded in their faces more than thrice, in every occassion they lacked proper arguments, things were carried out like drunken madmen, and were just disastrous for everypony involved (bans galore, remember?).

They know what's coming, so I rather them be prepared.

>>119401
They have "chosen" the unpopular decision twice, both cases later turning into rogue mods moments. I don't think there is much question what will happen now.

As for me, waiting for the fireworks, let us hope they don't finish off /chat/.

>>119398
>>119402
This. No matter what they choose, people are going to be pissed because... not everypony agrees. They're going to have to work on the presentation and plan for avoiding a shitfest because people are mad that the site isn't running how they want.

>>119404
I know I know. But really delaying it is only going to make it worse. If they prevented it in a way that was: "Here is what happens, this is why." Instead of "ok this might be a good idea, but we did not really discuss it beyond 'ya know whot would be funny' but it will be ok" Then a lot of problems would be alleviated.

>>119402
I am cool now, that was getting a bit on the "rant" side of things, but that does not make any of what I said less true.

I'm just patiently waiting for this, getting angry because we have to wait once more does no good to this. I'm glad they have taken their time to talk over this and have a decision. I'll save my gasoline and matches for when the need arises, no use getting upset before they even make a mistake.

Not gonna lie though, there is a lot of community anxiety and expectations on this.

>>119410
>Not gonna lie though, there is a lot of community anxiety and expectations on this.
Eeyup. Hence all the gasoline and matches waiting. Which is a shame... because there's so many other matters to attend to as well, that all seem to be on the backburner until this one is 'resolved' and everything stable after, which a poor decision or yet-another-mudfest will only delay even further, which is a disservice to the rest of the site I desperately hope they will avoid.

Coming up with a proper announcement aside, just because they have a decision on what to do, there's still putting together an implementation plan....

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>>119337
I'm interested to see what you guys came up with. Hopefully, it won't lead to a fallout like it did with /ef/.

>thin-skinned, anti-social fuzzchins
I gotta admit, I find that phrase amusing

>>119497
wait fuzzchin is not a muffinshuffler of neckbeard?

>>119499
Do it, !!Celestia.

>>119503
NO
WE DONT NEED ANY MORE FILTERS

>>119504
Don't listen to this filly. Do it, Orange.

>>119506
do you realize how many people hate the shit out of filters?
a whole lot more than those who like them
we dont need any more filters

>>119512
Agreed. But not the place for that fight. One in which I would gladly take your side in, if I cared enough. But it needs a different thread.

>>119497

>fuzzchins

If it gets us second breakfast, I'm down.

>>119512

Muffinshufflers are fun, provided the substitutions are clever and done in such a manner that they don't generate nasty false positives.

>>119516
no, they aren't fun, they are childish, and take away from anything you try to say
and the mods and admin think that things are at a happy equal standpoint
but that couldn't be farther than the truth, people everywhere hate them, but since the people that support them come out in stupid and noobish droves, and mods that dont listen to them, that the just dont bother anymore

>>119519
>no, they aren't fun, they are childish, and take away from anything you try to say

Horrendous grammar also takes away from what you are trying to say.

>but since the people that support them come out in stupid and noobish droves, and mods that dont listen to them, that the just dont bother anymore

Not even sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that since lots of people defend it, the mods don't listen to those who dislike them, so they quit trying to remove them? Because what you wrote indicates that the mods don't listen to those who are for them, which is obviously not true.

>>119486
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>pic

>>119519
I like the filters, except when they merge words together.

>>119520

Furthermore, insulting people who don't hold your opinion isn't the greatest way to appear mature.

>>119521
Stop having a different opinion, you stupid and noobish drove

>>119519
So basically a bunch of people came to a site with an environment they didn't like and then complained that a large part of intentional site culture screws up things that the site wasn't made for in the first place?

So basically people who like what the site is for are idiots and should share your opinion because the seriousness of your conversation is more important than silly fun on a site made for silly pony fun?

Ever consider that it's better to use a site you prefer than force people to give up something to like to make another site work how you want?

>>119519

>no, they aren't fun, they are childish

You say that like it's a contradiction.

>and take away from anything you try to say

When shufflers do so, remove those shufflers. Most shufflers don't.

>>119532
Is it a bad thing I never noticed them until I saw "we hate wordchangers" threads?

Also, derail guys, get back on topic, which hlow much gasoline we are going to use at the announcement.

>>119534
>is it a bad thing...

Not really, no. And to be honest, it's always struck me as amusing that the ones who want more muffinshufflers are generally the ones most impacted by them, and vice versa for those who want them gone entirely.

>gasoline

I'd prefer it if the gasoline were not broken out this time regardless of what we announce. Don't pull your punches or anything, but this isn't the proper place for venting frustrations. Things are expected to be civil here and if everypony can voice their criticisms without resorting to inflammatory remarks, melodramatics, or threats, it'll make the whole process much easier on everypony.

I'd be saying this regardless of whether or not I was a moderator, too.

>>119536
I can understand that position. Thing is... as you say, voicing criticisms (without the unnecessary inflammatory remarks) is still not going to mean anything. No matter how civil and constructive, criticisms ex post facto mean nothing, and will accomplish nothing - at least, that is the widespread (and totally justified, understandable) perception. I can see why at least one person here has said there's no reason to wait, and why others are measuring their molotovs. Because the former really makes little difference in the end, the latter has little reason to be held back. No, this isn't the right place to vent frustration - but then again, there really isn't anyplace to, and withholding it isn't going to help people anyways, and just fester inside into deeper resentment. Like I said, I understand what you say, and wish it would be that way, but it's unlikely to be heeded, and I don't even know if I blame people for it. =\

tl;dr, exasperation. Oh well. Maybe there's something else...

>>119536
I do not want any gasoline either, I do not want a huge mudfest over this. I just think since there is a consensus between the mods of what is going to happen, that we should not have to wait to hear what it is. Like I said before, it only lowers any standing faith we have left, and to me is a little insulting.

Everything between these lines is my personal opinion.
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We loose faith because, personally, I had given up thinking the mods were even talking about something, that you had put it off long enough that enough posters had forgotten, so you did not need to deal with it. Then !!Tia comes through, and says "we have an answer. but you cant see it. you have to wait."

It is insulting because I want to believe you all are trying... but... you keep treating us like children. You make a mistake, in this case making us wait, and then whenever somepony is not simply "ok we will wait." you guys get nervous and we feel as if you will take it out on us. That and having to wait for a decision that is already made is just insulting of it self.

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Everything between these lines was my personal opinion.

>>119537
I wish I could disagree and point to some past event where you were wrong. Sadly there has not been a debated issue where a universally happy solution was found...

>>119522
maturity is for stupidheads
>>119520
Its not like you can read what I wrote, and decipher a meaning out of it yourself, that would be silly
>>119532
Im not saying that like its anything, except for, not fun, and childish
And im looking at the list, and yes, most of them do take away what you are trying to say
>>119530
I don't use this site often, I use efchan way more. But a lot of freinds are here, so i like to hang out sometimes, and filters take away from the experience
And if this site was made for silly pony fun, why are a lot of boards, arguably most, not dedicated to ponies?

>>119530

Or he could share his opinion on things, same as anypony else would. The solution to people not liking something going on on-site isn't always "well they can just GIT OUT," no matter how people like to suggest it is. Sometimes change can be made, and sometimes there is a middle ground.

>>119536
As Anonthony said, it's hard to really consider that an option since it rarely produces any results. When !!Angel said keeping the boards split was the majority vote, it pretty much solidified the belief that the moderators don't care enough about the userbase to properly take them into account: Screwing up a more-than two-to-one vote takes a special kind of selective blindness or, alternatively, simply being lazy, neither of which particularly endear the users to the mod team. The fact that several other moderators told him to go ahead with it without examining the thread themselves and correcting his erroneous statement strengthens that belief even further.

A more-than-fair number of arguments has been made in support of merging the boards, and popular opinion has also heavily weighed in on its use, while no substantial arguments have been made for keeping the boards split other than enforcing the current status quo. If the decision is to keep them split, you can be rest assured that many users are going to be significantly--and understandably--irate that not only are they being effectively ignored, but that there isn't even a (as yet provided) justified reason for the contradictory judgement.

The userbase has been jerked and pulled around for several contradiction-filled months. It would be foolhardy--and potentially even dangerous--to expect or demand they remain civil in the event of an unsatisfactory ruling if it's not made with solid and logical reasoning.

>>119537

I know, I know...

>>119538

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance or better. It's my own take on Hanlon's Razor.

The reasons for our decisions taking so long are numerous, but none of them come down to maliciousness. All of our moderators are currently employed in other fields, in college (though summer is here now, so this should not be a problem for a while), or have other real life concerns that take precedence over ponychan. Decision-making takes time, and the more major decisions we have to focus on, the less time we can spend on each of them. That coupled with the frequent absence of moderators (due to real life complications) results in very little time per day being spent on these decisions. We do have mod meetings to try and hammer things out in one sitting, but real life complications get in the way of those, too, despite our attempts to build our schedules around them. Finally, there's the matter of ignorance... to be frank, from my perspective the moderators who choose to field questions and criticisms during major boards changes are often the ones who were not present during the decision-making process, weren't paying attention to what was going on, or just plain weren't mentally stable during the heat of the moment. Thankfully that should not be a problem in the future. Ideally we'd all be completely versed in everything that's said, but at the very least there shouldn't be anymore cowboy cop moments.

In any case, can you guys take this to the moderator conduct thread? We're all derailing pretty hard here.

The announcement will be sometime during the next week, as !!Celestia said. If needed, we will make a sticky saying as much to show that we have not forgotten and are not trying to distract from it or anything like that.

Way to be concise, Dragon...

In case it wasn't clear, and my sincerest apologies for that...

This thread has been locked because it has fulfilled its purpose. It was made with the intent of inquiring about when and why we have not made an announcement concerning /chat/-/gala/ yet. As that has been answered, the thread no longer needs to remain open.