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I bear a message from the Samurai. He is, unfortunately, currently unable to post on Ponychan due to his spotty internet connection. Instead, he has enlisted my aid to act as a liason between himself and this thread.
And so, without further adieu:
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>>100353
Interestingly vimbert, that is the impression everyone has of the place, which this does little to diminish other than state "that's not what we are, honest". People look to EqD because the best of the fandom converges there (allegely) and that is something which I can only hope you don't actually believe people do not state and communicate that all the time, seeing how you reviewed and are now a pre-reader. Any negation of this is, frankly, naive. And better yet, you have responses such as this >>100339 with many other in the similar vein across all of the pre-readers threads (recall the discussions about pre-readers as actual valid judges of what is best in the fandom? Because I do, they were entertaining) as to make this point be moot. You want people to stop seeing EqD as some sort of selector of the best of the fandom and damming all others, I would suggest first controlling said responses and actually making a public statement about it, in EqD (for reasons I will elaborate in a moment) because if I went right now to other places outside of the rarity that is /fic/ little to none will answer otherwise.
One of the reasons I am not a pre-reader, considering that it would be a 10 minute activity, is that I was under the impression that only the best got into EqD due to previous discussions and comments, making my addition be a grave mistake. You now tell me this is not the case. Am I someone who believes that because you"don't post everything" you're "elitists who enjoy crushing author"?
>>100354
This a terrible idea, and quite for the reasons you might recive. The fact is, most people who would have problems with the pre-readers will actually be writers and opening it up to everyone would actually make the apparent purpose of this be moot (namely, making authors have a closer relationship with pre-readers). By making this be a sort of open gallery for everyone to comment, very soon a mountain of unimportant information will be brought in and the whole exercise would be rendered pointless. Additionally, considering most people it would affect would most likely not bother making a secondary email to sent in their messages, what I can only presume is your argument of people fearing to respond to the pre-readers still holds true regardless.
>>100363
It would seem to me that this goes to show that not enough information is being given by the pre-readers rather than it being an inherent problem of the people involve in the actual knowledge front. As for knowing what a massive filter they are, that point is moot in my opinion because people go to EqD exactly because they know how much of a filter it is, and many times the statement "I only read from EqD" has been posted to show to that effect (granted, we also have the Past Sins comment page, but I digress). Ultimately, this is irrelevant because the people involved are not the masses, but rather the writers in question and how do they feel they need to answer EqD and react to the pre-readers saying " I sincerely hope this never comes back. It's incredibly long, incredibly dull, and properly editing it would take weeks. There are apparently some OCs in there, but I couldn't make it that far to figure out who they were and what they did." who will know quite well what is going on because that's the response to them.
>>100355
Good sir, I do hope you do not... believe that, correct? /fic/ is an abandoned wasteland of the Internet, visited by a few lost souls, with even fewer staying behind to actually interact and get to know the truth that most pre-readers are little more than normal people who know what sorts of grammar and spelling mistakes I have done in this post. In general, this place is convenient and nothing more, as the traffic is as horrible as it gets. Personally, I believe this should be moved into Tumblr which, if I understand correctly, allows for easy following and ease of response from those who follow(or watch? I am not to close to the lingo) you as it has far more traffic, is more widely used by the fandom than lowly /fic/ and could provide a far more flexible platform of presentation. But I digress.
>Hell, we even put a link to it on EqD when the three strikes rule went into effect.
Irrelevant actually, because that involves linking people one step further and, if I followed the conversation right, most people seem to not respond becuase they have reached the "what's the point anyway" stage of not writing. So, you could link all you want, but unless it occurs in EqD, you are talking to the wind in terms of the problem described by the anon.
>From being in this thread so often, I get the impression that most people are relatively happy with the pre-reading process.
You are in a place which already holds the people who will support or feel confiendent enough talking with you, and even then you have people going anonymous to ask questions and make comments. What does that tell you? Or do I need to recall this post >>99139 ? A simple look into his questions will reveal a scouting mission of who is involved in the process, and his response sheds some interesting lights into why. And then there is this link, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLAbp6K4W83dMjFAHWq4CiEwCRPCiTFx0w8g1PecC0I/edit, which makes me feel glad that some of the pre-readers responses get messed up in the process, as I can be certain most people will feel the need to stop when they reach the actual opinion of the story rather than the sanitized version. Do you think those that find themselves with that will actually respond and give out a negative review? Add to this the fact that the positive responses have no link whatsoever with people being writers on their own count, which is what the anon is attempting to elaborate about. Readers will be happy with anything they are given as long as they don't have to do the effort of going through the riffraff and you don't reject one he does (which is most of the time impossible as a good deal of people only get their stories from EqD), so it could be a chicken who follows the sound of a banjo selecting the stories and they will show their support as long as it was better than them running straight into the dross pit. This place is terrible as a basis for gauging if the writers who you reject feel that the pre-reading process could be made better and more user-friendly, as it excludes everyone which it will actually affect.
>I can't do anything with "Well, that's how people perceive you, so you must change the way you do things to change that."
Then I am sorry, but you are this means you are terrible with people. Word choice, careful selection of how the pre-readers present themselves, changes to how the pre-readers show themselves where it actually matters, and many similar public actions define how people look at you as a group. You want solutions to this? First of all, you need to develop actual pre-readers identities that people can follow somewhere (and IRC channel sounds like a good idea, but I am terrible with technology and don't quite understand that) so that if people find themselves rejected by pre-reader xXxXx they can go there and speak with them in an open and nice environment. You might want to make it public to people that, no, you are not choosing the best of the best because that is not really possible (which includes you, as a group, stopping saying, implying, or allowing others to say or imply this) and that people who believe this are misunderstanding what EqD is trying to do (which, right now, seems to be a rather disperse notion amongst pre-readers if previous threads are to be recalled.... Actually, this thread as well, but I digress). You could try to make the whole thing about being a pre-reader being far less of a mystery, including eliminating the notion that some can be anonymous, which I can only imagine it is for them not receive hate for it, but that is rendered moot once you consider the fact the only point the anonymity is needed is at delivery point (aka, the small commentaries you make) and any other just makes the whole thing murkier than it ever had a right to be. Simply put, knowing everyone who is a pre-reader in an up to date list is a must, for this actually fosters a better view of everyone involved rather than a bad guessing game which only leads to people wondering "who am I dealing with?" and then making them fear the unknown (a universal fear of us all), with the assumed pre-reader names being the main way you interact with the writers who feel they have the need to respond while they still having some better idea of who are the guys behind the veil. Last, but not least, go out into the community, not as x or y, but as pre-readers, go into stories which would never make it in and haven't been submitted and actually make yourself look helpful and nice to them, for these actions will bolster the allege mission you have also claimed before of helping writers(again, at this point I am not even bothering in making sense of what EqD wants to be in regards to fanfiction because no one seems to actually know, or if they know it's not quite the same thing, sometimes exclusively so) and make people stop "fearing", to use the anon's term, you guys as a group. Think very carefully of what you are saying, because despite your best effort people put too much weight to what you have to say and will react accordingly to things you say, but also to a good deal of things you don't say and why you don't say them; being judges brings the greater responsibility that all your words are going to be dissected for meaning and evaluation, and lack of consideration ot that effect will only result in people There is one more solution, but that one is in stasis until I am told otherwise, but for now, there, some "solutions" to a problem which you can't accurately gauge unless the lack of responses and the fact that most don't even reach /fic/ is accounted for and analyzed one way or another.
Lastly, I believe it is important to point out that you both have the same point, but one side is simply stating the problem and constantly repeating it without actually providing new information from which to work from the other side of the fence, while the other is saying "well, how would you solved it" despite them having the greater amount of information to begin with about this. What seems to be lacking now is solutions and definite statements either way, but it would also seem to me that in order to gauge the problem it would require you implement something to make the people feel that responding will accomplish far more than not responding after being told they suck (which all the responses I have seen invariably seem to say) in order to see if they have any positive effect rather than basing yourself from current information. Welcome to the world of judging, and I will remind you the origins of the word politics, "of, for, or relating to citizens", and how the writers you exalt or crush are those under your control.
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