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#Reviewer
Hello everypony! My name is Khakispony, and this is my new partner, Seidio, and this is our new, Floridian review thread; the only review thread where you can only stay on a beach for fifteen minutes before a hurricane comes to ruin your fun. We may not be the most experienced or the best reviewers, but we want to help you with your fics. When we are not playing vidya games, writing our own fics, or doing something important, we’re going to be reviewing. That being said, we have a couple of ground rules to help make the process as easy as possible.

Rules
1) Read the Celestia d#nmed sticky. Seriously, there is no excuse for not having read it.
2) In order for your fic to be placed in the queue, you must fill out the submission form (link below) and post in the thread.
3) No gore, but smut... Ok, I can take some smut. Still, you must send me a private message by fimfiction (http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Khakispony) if you want your smut to be reviewed. It will be added to the queue for my convenience, but shall not be discussed on the thread. On Seidio’s side... well, let’s just say you’d have better luck finding a way to Equestria.
4) No meta. NO!
5) Patience is a virtue, and we expect you to have it. We’re helping you because we want to, not because we’re required to. A week is the minimum waiting period between being added to the queue, and whining to us about how we’re ignoring you.
6) Be polite. Please?
7) Always follow up our reviews. It helps us help you.


Khakispony
I’m a fic writer and reviewer. I love fics, pop music, and vidya games. I read everything from smut to action adventure, and will have ideas for what makes either good. My reviews are going to be incredibly varied. I may be extremely detailed for one review, and for the next, very blunt. It's a fact of our review thread, and you're going to have to accept it.


Seidio
Hi there! I'm new to the fandom, but not to writing. You could call me a mechanic. I like to take your work, tear it open, and scour it for every misplaced comma, apostrophe, or missing word. So help me, if that "its" should be an "it's", or if that hyphen should be an em-dash, I will unleash upon you. Kindly, of course. In addition to my general opinion of your story, I can also offer suggestions with plotting, flow, and characterization. I’ll try my best to put the same amount of effort into every review I do, but keep in mind that as with Khakispony, there are no guarantees.


Format:
1) Google Docs, comments enabled. NO EXCEPTIONS
2) Tags, Synopsis, Word Count, and Link are required in your post as well as the submission form. We’ll remind you if you forget, but until it’s fixed, it doesn’t go into the queue.
3) No more than 15,000 words for me and no more than 10,000 for Seidio. You: “But I have a 30,000 word fic...” Tell us the part you want us to review.
4) Please, please, please, proofread your fic before you send it in for review. You’d be surprised how many errors you can make when writing. Anything to make our life easier is welcome.


References:
1) A wild sticky appeared! Sticky used helpful links! It’s super effective!

Link to Khakispony’s scoring guide:
http://derpy.me/Dyncz

Link to queue submission form:
http://derpy.me/ThXoN

Link to the queue:
http://derpy.me/AtB2-


Thank you for reading. Now send us your fics!
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>> No. 115020
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Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you all. Don't feel required to post again unless you want Seidio to review it. Besides that, Yay new thread with a friend.
>> No. 115028
Right.

So, Khakispony here has been kind enough to take me on as a partner in reviewing. I've given a couple reviews in the Training Grounds, but have been otherwise silent on this board. Therefore, I'm now taking the opportunity to introduce myself! I look forward to reading your work, and hopefully I can come back to you with something helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to post in the thread. Alternatively, just shoot me an email.

Peace.
>> No. 115088
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Title: The Sky is Falling
Tags: Romance, slice of life
Word Count: 2472
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1srgXgazevgKR4FXLDFo-BjWiqanSOh-dkP2pvLlWTxE/edit

Side note: Yay florida ponies! No hurricanes so far this season 'cept Irene.
>> No. 115092
Welcome to the meat grinder Seidio! err, I mean review threads. I'll have something up for review before too long, but until then I just wanted to give ya a proper welcome to the fandom.
>> No. 115111
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First review for new thread so LET'S DO THIS

Plot: You do have a plot which is great. The main problem is there's just not a whole lot to keep the reader interested. Details about what is happening are sparse and it just made whats going on a little confusing. I could only really gather that The elements of harmony are needed to save some far off land of non pony folk. Its a fine set up for earlier chapters but I would like a more tangible antagonist that a "Storm". That's just my suggestion though.


Characters: Something rubs me the wrong way about your characterization. While reading I couldn't put it my finger on it but looking back I realized; Your characters are super angry and hateful. Twilight is brooding over a slight inconvenience. Rainbow is ticked off after hearing the inconvenience. Worst of all Rarity is cutting up Sweetie with a chainsaw and feeding the giblets to Opal (metaphorically of course). Its just really drab when there isn't a need for such a drab tone. I just think the dialogue should be a little more well happy at this point.


Grammar: Not much to say besides that you have quite a few words which are capitalized for no reason. Look back and fix that.


Overall Impressions: The build up is fine but the way characters are super angry kills the fic for me. I just feel that the Main 6 should be a little less angry. They aren't aware of the real danger yet and are being super angry and bitter which doesn't click well for me. It's also a little slow for my tastes. I give it a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHTsc9PU2A

I'm not intending on reviewing the other chapters since you wanted an opinion on the first two chapters. Just post in this thread if you'd like me to review other chapters.

For those of you who are wondering why it took me so long to review I'm just going to blame it on the al-al-alcohol.
>> No. 115118
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Hello! It's been a while since this story has circulated through /fic/, and due to my recent decision of keeping it as it once was, I'm pumping it back into the system once again. Just to smooth out the rough edges and then send it off to EQD one last time.

So, here's the story:

[Title] Paradise Lost
[Tags] Dark
[Word Count] 4176
[Synopsis]
"A lie begets a lie, and the world must be protected by one."

Skyward Arrows, a simple author on the run from his own city, is faced with a decision that will change the course of history forever. Yet with every power comes a hefty price.

[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TdsANlCc0vmWww6ykXzkjh9tUIMeo0psSARkOsUDI_Q/edit

What I would like input on is if this story needs to be expanded in some areas or if it's good to go with minor grammatical errors. Also in SLP's queue
>> No. 115119
title: flight
word count: 1400
tags: adventure
link:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CrjZCimWfkFQmD4OSi8tIV7SdIVlyOBet8YNUtNaXwI/edit
>> No. 115142
>>115088
>>115119
Khakis? Seidio? Allow me.

You two haven't included synopses to your stories. It clearly says in the rules that you must include the title, the word count, a synopsis of your story, and a link. Your stories aren't in the queue, and won't be until you add a synopsis.
>> No. 115156
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Thanks for your review, also for the link to the cool song which I hadn't heard before. I'm listening to it as I write this.

Your synopsis of what you thought was going on made me laugh, and it really shouldn't have because it means that I probably didn't do a good enough job explaining it. This one little tidbit might clear several things up for you:

Horizon is a pony.

I know the story moves at an abysmally slow pace, and it is something I'm doing my best to address going forward as I continue with the story.

The characterization part is a little harder to address. I was trying to portray them as annoyed in the beginning, and then they slowly acquiesce and adjust to their new changes. Maybe I came on a little too strong.

The capitalization issue was just a side thing of the way Luna was writing her letter. And like I said: Horizon's a pony.

Kind of a special pony.

Okay, a very special pony.

Anyway, if it makes you feel any better, Rarity and Sweetie Belle have several cute moments in Chapters 7 and 11.

Speaking of which, if you're willing I'll continue to submit chapters for review two at a time so as not to overwhelm you, (the entire fic is 15 chapters and 135k words atm, you do the math) however, if you didn't like my initial portrayal of the Mane Six that might turn you off.

Also as I said, the pacing is slow. This is the first story I've ever written and I'm still very much learning the art of storytelling. I've been working hard on getting things moving faster.

Thanks again!
>> No. 115159
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Tags: [Adventure], [Slice of Life]
Synopsis: Half the power of the Elements of Harmony is transferred to the Bearers during the battle against Nightmare Moon. Celestia discovers this, but withholds the information. The Mane Six continue their lives, unawares.

Two months later, Celestia sends thirteen members of the Royal Guard to monitor the Bearers as they manifest and develop their new abilities. However, the members of the Guard are not what they seem, for they carry a secret of their own.
Word Count: 12,858
Link: https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B46rC7HFv-bHaTk4SFdEMVZmeGM/edit

Notes: Chapters 3 and 4. Pic related, will help keep you interested in Chapter 4, (a lot of people don't catch it at first hehe)
>> No. 115165
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>>115156
Ah so its a pony. Yes I would say there is a need for a tad bit more clarity on that.

The capitalization thing still bugs me. Old time English did not involve random capitalization of words like power if I remember my Macbeth correctly.

They do come off quite strongly annoyed. Annoyed doesn't drive people to tears for instance. I do suggest making it a little more annoyed and less angry.

And hey someone who actually enjoys some music I do.
>> No. 115168
My name's Rainbow Dash. I'm Equestria's fastest pegasus, I'm the Element of Loyalty, I've saved the whole kingdom more than once, I've laughed in the face of danger, and I'm a coward. That's right, I said it. I'm a coward. I've always been sure I could do anything. Win any race, beat any opponent, do any job. But this is something I can't outrun, outsmart, or outlast. What's causing me, the most awesome pegasus ever so much trouble? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
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Hello Khaki! Hello Seidio!

I have the first chapter of several in my story "What's in a Name" ready for review. I ask that whoever goes over this sets aside time to do so in detail, as I'm currently sitting at Strike Two from EqD. If this means that you have to push it back until you have the time to spend on it, please do so by all means--I really need a thorough review if I'm going to make the cut.

All right, here's the information:

[Title] What's in a Name, Month One - or, Unexpected Arrivals
[Author] Comma-Kazie and Chengar Qordath
[Tags] Normal, Slice-of-Life
[Characters] Ditzy Doo, Rainbow Dash, Cloud Kicker, others (including OCs)
[Word Count] ~7000 (sorry, FimFiction and gdocs don't agree on the exact count)
[Synopsis]Ditzy Doo is the daughter of a prominent family in Canterlot. So why has she shown up at Rainbow Dash’s doorstep, years after they last saw each other? Rainbow is willing to go to out of her way to help an old friend, but she may get more than she bargained for: being away from home isn’t the only thing Ditzy has to adjust to...
[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/19wjKKDb65BdK2f94fBYVl4kZEYo4BN1aejoFFSZOLn4/edit

Thank you in advance for your time!

-Comma-Kazie
>> No. 115201
Hello Khaki and Seido! You probably don't know me, heck, even I don't know who I am sometimes. This story I am about to post is one that I am really enjoying writing, and I want anybody who reads it to enjoy as well. Also, I suck at editing stuff and it has two strikes against it from EqD. That makes me really worry about not just grammatical issues, but the strength of the plot as well. If you wouldn't mind giving me a blunt review, that would be amazing! Here is the information:

[Title] Playing with Purpose
[Author] Caffum
[Tags] Normal, Slice of Life
[Characters] Twilight, Princess Celestia, Princess Luna, Spike, OC's
[Word Count] 6530 (according to Gdocs)
[Synopsis] Aura Battle is the new game exploding in popularity all over Equestria. Unicorns battle with magical AuraDolls in an attempt to earn the crown of Aura Battle Grand Champion. Twilight Sparkle, who is returning to Canterlot to help the princesses with a special project, discovers the game and instantly becomes hooked. Does Twilight have what it takes to become the Grand Champion? Or will the secrets behind the game trip her up along the way?
[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zeisd7mN78FvlIIWrkWC0WEIZQRDga8HFQCsvmK8eZI/edit

Be as harsh as possible! Thanks again for taking your time to do this for me and so many other people!
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>>115142

Thank you kindly, Conchshell.

So many stories and so little time! This is turning out to be a rather hectic week for me, and reviews are going to come very slowly as a result. But no worries! After this weekend, my schedule should clear up significantly.
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Should have posted earlier, but glad to see you guys have a new review thread up and running. Happy hunting you two.
>> No. 115231
Title - Adjusting
Author - ArcheonZ
Synopsis - Pinkie Pie tries to make sense of life after getting her cutie mark when things begin to change around her.
Word count - 5284
Tags - slice of life
Link - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qztvc-5o6RYmf-WX4qH5nmHCQkTlNoqjFsd4K2vUHh0/edit

Thanks in advance.
>> No. 115232
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7 fics in the queue. *Whistles
>> No. 115248
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>>115119

Considering the this story, I must assume one of two things: either you are new to writing, or that English is not your first language. I found multiple errors with regard to your style and mechanics. Forgive me for not pointing them all out, but there would have been simply too many comments on the doc. There is definite a pattern to your mistakes which I have faith you will be able to pick up on. Your plot is also questionable. My concerns are outlined below.

Plot

I’m going to start with your synopsis. You mustn’t rely on the synopsis to set the scene for your story; the story must do that for itself. In addition, the synopsis failed to lure me in. By saying--

>before getting there she will have to fly by pegasus carriage over the samareahn desert.

--you hint at the idea that something is going to happen to Twilight during this journey.

However, you first chapter fails to give me sense that there is any conflict brewing. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. It is your responsibility as the author to hook me, the reader. How can you expect people to continue reading a story with a poorly constructed plot? You can’t. You have to draw that reader in--quickly--or you’ll lose them forever. Unless, of course, you don’t want people to your story, but why in the world would you want that? You silly filly.

With regard to the plot you did present, I have to say that I found it rather uninteresting. Only at the end of the chapter do you reveal what exactly Twilight’s motivation is for taking this trip. Still, though, a lot of questions are left unanswered. For instance, why are Twilight’s parents in Las Pegasus in the first place? Why is she visiting them? If not answered now, you still must keep these questions in mind, because they must be answered eventually. Conflict is the most important here. Without conflict, there is no story. A story without conflict is either a boring summary of events, or a window into the incoherent, rambling thoughts of a character. Considering the length of this chapter and the fact that it feels more like an introduction, I’ll let this slide for now.

Also, I should comment on your title, “Flight”. Consider picking something else; something that gives a sense of what’s going to happen in the story, or something relating to the plot itself.

“But Seidio! Twilight is taking a flight! That’s relevant!”

“That’s great. And...”

You said in the Specifics Box that you plan have Twilight crash in the desert, where she must survive a “trek to civilization”. Keep in mind that when the reader clicks on your story on FiMFiction, they don’t get a Specifics Box; they get your title and your synopsis. Then, they click on your story (or not). You want to make sure they click on that dang story! Also, I’m going to point out a potential plot hole: Twilight can teleport. Just sayin’.


Style

Also another big issue. The majority of your sentences are either extremely awkward in structure, or don’t make sense all together. Also, show don’t tell. For instance:

>Too annoyed and awake to just go to sleep
>This had not sat very well with twilight at all.
>Twilight’s curiosity was piqued
>She turned for a second afraid to let

“Show don’t tell,” in essence, means that you mustn’t directly state the feelings of characters (well, that’s part of it). It’s all about context. Your reader is not stupid. By reading your story, they should be able to infer the feelings of a character based on their actions. Furthermore, actions must also be in context. Someone much wiser than myself gave me a very helpful example: Let’s say that Fluttershy crushes a bug. She begins to cry. Now we wonder, why is she crying? Are they tears of joy? Maybe something got in her eyes?

“Oh! Seidio! Pick me! I know the answer! It’s ‘cause she’s sad!”

“But, why is she sad?”

“Because... she’s crying.”

“But why is she crying!”

The truth is, we know that Fluttershy is “sad” only because we know her personality. We know that she is an animal lover who wouldn’t dream of hurting a living creature. We can properly interpret Fluttershy’s actions because we can put them in context. Part of writing is realizing that there must be a purpose behind every sentence. Keep in mind Twilight’s character when revising and adding to this piece. What are her likes and dislikes? What are her idiosyncrasies? There must be an underlying reason for every one of her actions.

Please take this previous advice with a grain of salt. I too am greatly struggling with show don’t tell, and have a long way to go before I fully understand the concept.


Your narration is clunky and too personal to be third person. For instance:

>Seriously there was no way a refrigerator would ever survive that explosion, even if it was lead lined.


This seems more of personal thought of Twilight’s and should therefore not be included in the narration. I’m finding that a lot of your narration is a simple summary of events. Try incorporating more action and dialogue into the story. In addition, you need to do a better job of setting the scene. In the beginning, I have no idea whether we’re outside, inside, or on the moon. Maybe describe the carriage, describe Twilight’s reaction to it. Paint the scene for us.


Mechanics

You frequently misuse punctuation, including, but not limited to: missing commas, periods, semicolons, apostrophes, hyphens, em-dashes, etc. You also fail to capitalize names and proper nouns. Also, spell numbers. Below, I have taken excerpts from your story as examples of some of these errors. Keep in mind that this list is not exhaustive. I have given you the solution to these particular ones in doc, but about halfway through your story, I stopped marking them. My job in your case is not to simply give you the right answer to all of your mistakes. In order to improve your writing, you must be able recognize these errors for yourself so that you won’t make them in the future.

>“Thank you, I was just getting hungry” twilight said, gratefully floating the salad over to her seat.
Capitalize names

>Being raised in Canterlot, Twilights mom could be quite a handful sometimes,
Possessive apostrophe needed. There is only one Twilight.

>“you’re welcome” the pegasus replied
Capitalize the first word in a sentence

>hesitating for a second before adding with a smile that seemed slightly of character with the normally reserved flight pegsi
Run on. Break this up with commas

>five minutes later
Capitalize the first word in a sentence

>She had read a book about the life of Albert Equinestein, and the book had explained how he often invested so much time in his experiments that he would seem slightly confused or eccentric when confronted with everyday things such as keeping track of time or remembering people’s names.
Holy run on. Split this up into separate sentences.

>Maybe there was reason to be afraid; after all she hadn’t seen her parents for a very long time.
>In fact she was having trouble recalling when she had last seen them.
>This wasn’t a new phenomenon; Twilight always had her schedule so full that there was no time for keeping track of the past.
General rule is one semicolon per page. You have two in this paragraph.


(I see you’ve started revising your errors. Please be sure to resolve my comments when you fix something.)



Here are some links that I implore you to take a look at.

Sithicus helpicus: will help clarify SDT. http://bit.ly/ovOXpn
Towson University Online Writing Support: illustrated guides for grammar and syntax. http://www.towson.edu/ows/index.htm
Purdue Online Writing Lab: more writing resources. http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/
CerealVelocity’s Writing Guides: extensive guide to writing pony fiction. http://bit.ly/pP8OzY

(credit goes to TTG for providing quick access to these)


All of that being said, I suggest that you take a good, hard look at this story, keeping in mind my advice and the resources I have listed. Feel free to submit the story again, but only after it has undergone significant revision. I believe I have put you on the right track. If I feel that you haven’t done your research or if the story still contains the same degree of errors, I will reject it. If you are in fact new, I welcome you to the world of writing. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Best of luck.

~Seidio
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>>115248
>Also, I should comment on your title, “Flight”. Consider picking something else; something that gives a sense of what’s going to happen in the story, or something relating to the plot itself.

Skimming through some of the review and the story I say this would be a fair title. Sometimes titles are... 'ironic' per say (Probably a better word for my reasoning, but lack of sleep is preventing me from pulling this up) she's SUPPOSED to be flying, but she gets stranded instead, it is the flight that gets her into the problem of being stranded. There's a few titles of professonial fiction that will do this, but I can't bring up any examples and I will find them if inquired.

Also: Twilight has teleported small distances, not entire deserts worth.

Sorry to cut in, I was just skimming and saw that and thought I should say something.
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>>115258
been waiting to use this gif you tf2 playing, non-reviewing person.
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>115259
Not coming back to review, SORRU
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>>115258

Greetings, Professor Hugbox, and thank you for expressing your concerns.


>a few titles of professional fiction

It appears you've done the hard work for me here. As I presume Andy is a new author, I feel it is appropriate that he choose a more descriptive title.


>Also: Twilight has teleported small distances, not entire deserts worth.

Kindly turn your attention to Season 2, Episode 21, entitled Dragon Quest. At the end of this episode, you will find that Twilight indeed teleports what appears to be quite a long distance. Not only that, but she manages (albeit with great effort) to bring Spike, Rarity, and Dash with her. If you're interested in a specific time, 20:20 in should put you right on the money.
>> No. 115267
>>115264
Sorry for intruding, as such I've decided to simply hold my tongue whether than continue this as it is not my place, but thank you for your response. Good day
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>>115264
somebody call a doctor; someones got third degree burns.
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>>115248
Looks like i had more problems than i had first anticipated.

And you are right, English is not my native language, and this is in fact my first fic.

With regard to the title and synopsis, they were only added so that i would be able to submit it for review, and were only placeholders for the final version.

I am both saddened and encourage by your very thorough review. i originally planned on finishing this story, but now i think that grammar and sentence structure lessons might be more prudent.

anyway enough of that. thanks for your amazing review and the links. Additionally i accept your welcome and intend to stay for quite a while.
>> No. 115301
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Sorry but I may not be able to pump out reviews quite as fast as I normally would due to writing my own fics. Pull a One Republic if you want (joke clarification: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM3w1v-A_Y) but my will to write is often fleeting so I intend to grab it while I can. Expect at least one review by Thursday morning.
>> No. 115360
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Look very carefully at the picture and you'll know how I felt while reading your fic. Needless to say this review won't be much in the way of positive.


Characters: I will protest til the end of time that you have thoroughly missed the idea of the soldiers character. I know you want a straight shooter in your parade of weird but soldier is anything but. You either need to add a lot more crazy to his dialogue or change him over to a more sane character like the engineer, sniper, or spy. I still dislike how sane the pyro seems and the medic certainly took a step down since the last chapter once again reverting to his boring infodump self. There isn't much in the way to say about Discord but the idea of him having a plan sorta destroy's the idea that he is a god of chaos, but that's just me nitpicking.


Plot: It's so boring. First I still haven't got an idea of the main conflict after reading two chapters which isn't a good sign. Still I haven't read the first two chapters so Im not going to judge. Still this chapter bugs me since the majority of it is just the characters yelling at each other over Celestia knows what. This was mfw reading your fic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8
It just couldn't engross me in any of it. It s=also seemzs like you are trying to be funny towards the start but given the circumstances of BonBon dying I could only go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWH9rTprWbQ .


It just feels like a comedy that feel flat on its face or a drama without anything to keep the reader interested. It feels like you don't know where you are going with the fic and that saddens me.


Grammar: I didn't notice anything while I was reading but I use the term reading very liberally.


Overall Impressions: Boring boring boring. You have this wacky concept but you aren't using it. There is nothing about this that screams tf2 crossover. I could make a battlefield crossover with what you have and nothing would be lost. It is for this reason I must give your fic a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UFIYGkROII
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>>115360
Wait a minute...

>I know you want a straight shooter in your parade of weird but soldier is anything but.

Holy Sandvich on a stick, you're right. I don't need the Soldier here, I need a straight man! The problem isn't that I can't write the Soldier in character, it's-- well, no, that's exactly the problem. But that problem is derived from the fact that he's miscast! That's it! That's-- wow, how did I not notice that before? The Medic is the crazy one! This is it! This is how I fix it! ...Of course, this means I need to rewrite the entire story, but... you know what? I'm surprisingly okay with that.

And now, the obligatory rebuttals. First of all, about Discord. Discord does have a plan... but it's not a very good plan. Allow me to explain the scene where he talks with the Administrator. That scene was meant to convey that if he'd just been patient, he could've escaped without resorting to his overcomplicated plan, and we wouldn't have a story. (Or we'd have a radically different story, at least.) The way I'm trying to characterize him, Discord can develop plans (see also: tricking the Elements of Harmony into going into the labyrinth), but he's too short-sighted to see the flaws in those plans (see also: not considering that the Elements would recover from being Discorded). In this case, his plan is overcomplicated, and he gives up an obvious solution to his problem in favor of his plan. So... yeah, how could I get that to come across better?
>> No. 115395
So you need a post as well as the submission form, if I read this right? H'okay.

Title - Rock of Love
Author - Present Perfect
Synopsis - After being rejected by the one person he thought understood him, will Tom ever find love again?
Word count - 3269
Tags - Random, Shipping
Link - https://docs.google.com/document/d/17xmG2iJgetUn8cf9KOnclJlzj9DBiMLfR8raehLFj-c/edit

Thanks in advance! :)
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I'm going to start using a tripcode because it makes me feel special.


>>115294

As an author myself, I can sympathize with you. It is indeed very saddening when a reviewer comes back to me with a laundry list of things to fix. I’m glad that you’re encouraged by my feedback. Many people would simply give up and scream--“Gah! I can’t write! I’m terrible!”--and never type another sentence again, despite the great potential they may have had. It would be quite difficult to find an author who, upon picking up a pen for the very first time, wrote a masterpiece. Everybody has to start somewhere.

Now, on to my review.


>>115088

I must say, this was a very enjoyable read. Personally, I am not a fan shipping, but I can recognize and appreciate the role it plays in character development.


Plot

Well, thus far, I can find no major issues with your plot. You have on your hands a solid introduction which indeed piqued my interest enough to have me consider reading an additional chapter. Given that this is only the first chapter, I can’t really give you more of a verdict than that. I’m not sure whether or not your title is appropriate, but given my perceived nature of the story, it should do just fine. The synopsis is good as well, with only a few things I would change (mostly punctuation issues). Since I presume this is only a working synopsis, and because you didn’t request me to look at it, I won’t post my notes on it here. If you are interested in my opinion, I’ll gladly put them in a separate post.


Style

To answer your question from the Specifics Box, they way you have presented this story is indeed “good”. First person narrative will always have a special place in my heart. I greatly enjoy the informal narration for stories of this nature. This style allows the reader to really get inside the head of a character without the use of excessive dialogue. Third person is great too, but it has its place. In my opinion, this story benefits from the use of the first person perspective. You also mentioned that you want to include some segments that are told from Twilight’s perspective as well. I don’t see any problem with this, but you must make sure you keep her in character at all times. It goes without saying that her manner of speaking and thinking will differ greatly from that of Dash.


Mechanics

Everything I found is was pointed out in doc. Your biggest problems here were the occasional tense confusion and missing/misused punctuation. Additionally, there were some issues with awkward sentence structure, but it appears you have already resolved all my comments, so I am unable to post them here. Most of these issues with structure were related to improper use of punctuation, which is an easy fix. With anything that was not simply punctuation related, you’ll find that I went ahead and offered you some considerations for revisions, some of which I see you applied.

With regard to tense, I do believe that the errors I pointed out were accurate. When the narrator is addressing the reader in past tense, you must be very careful about your use of the past perfect tense. Here are some handy links to resources I found helpful when writing my last first person perspective story:

Purdue OWL: this is their nifty guide to verb tenses http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/601/01/
Englishpage.com: the past perfect tense, with illustrations! http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/pastperfect.html

I am by no means an expert on tense. I don’t doubt that this is your intention, but for the record, I’m going to strongly urge you to get second and third opinions on the changes I suggested.

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Overall, my impression of the story is positive. Even though the subject matter is not quite my cup of tea, I won’t let that stop me from enjoying it. The playful tone in which it written was fairly successful in drawing me in. Upon the completion of future chapters, consider doing a quick sweep of the story for easily-corrected mistakes with grammar. I don’t know what your writing method is, but it is completely understandable if, when writing the first draft of something, you don’t pay close attention to mechanics. That is how it is with me. If I have an idea in my head, it needs to get on paper as fast as possible before I completely lose it. As a result, the writing is often riddled with misplaced commas, missing quotation marks, and the like. Finally, should you decide to submit these chapters to the queue, I will greatly look forward to reading them.

I apologize for the cursory nature of this review, but there are some pressing issues I must attend to.

Keep it up,

~Seidio
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>>115404
I would love your opinion on the synopsis!

As for a the review, I've tried to correct most of the grammar and punctuation errors, and cleaned up some of the tense issues. You were very helpful, and yes, I do often write a rough draft and submit it to various review threads around the ponychan before taking a fine-toothed comb to the whole thing.

Good luck with our personal matters, and I will submit future chaps, assuming this thread is still active by the time it is written. I have a few simultaneous fics going right now, so I have no idea when chapter 2 will be written, but I'll send it here (or the appropriate thread) when it's done.
>> No. 115428
>>115408

Give Figment's review thread a shot, and tell him specifically you're having issues with tense. He's pretty good at helping spot them.
>> No. 115437
He's actually already got LBT in the queue, and I wouldn't want to throw another one his way until he's done with that one.
>> No. 115543
>>115231

You can take me out of the queue. Somepony on reddit was nice enough to help me out.
>> No. 115553
>>115543
done and done
>> No. 115721
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Final review from my old queue and for a familiar face too.

Characters: Of all the places I have problems with your fic it has to be with Trixie. It's hard to put a finger on her angle throughout the story. Sometimes she's completely open wanting to ask for help and vulnerable but the next second she gets super defensive and boastful again. I just fell it would be more sad if you stuck with one or the other. Other characters suffer similar problems where actions don't pair up well with dialogue. It feels just a little to clumsy.

Plot: Somewhat predictable. There are hundreds of Trixie coming back to Ponyville downtrodden fics to look at and many follow similar plotlines and the like. There's nothing wrong with choosing a topic that's already been written about but there wasn't a whole lot that stood out about yours.

Grammar: Fairly good but I found a few errors here and there.

Structure: I can't say I'm much of a fan of the straightforward 3rd person narration. It doesn't hurt the fic in anyway but I feel that that it may be better as a first person fic given the frequent switches between Trixie's thought's and memories and the action taking place.

Overall impressions: Just a little to predictable and clunky for me to give a glowing recommendation to readers but most problems are easy to fix. I'd give it a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCy3EWs9Q0

All done with my old queue. Now on to tackling this new one.
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Ttitle: The Sky is Falling
Tags: [romance][slice of life]
Word count: 2884
link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWPSATVf04RIf7UyQIW8-Nfs8MkWWc40wi5Sa9TYOWs/edit

the second chapter as requested by Seidio, but either of you can take a stab at it.
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There isn't a whole lot that I can point out with this fic so I'm just going to toss out my one real issue. There is... one point in the story... where you abuse the ellipses... and I found it rather annoying... and it stained my view of... what was otherwise a fairly enjoyable fic. Overall I give this fic a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYEDA3JcQqw
>> No. 115821
>>115818

The ellipsis were there for effect. He was being choked, and each ellipsis is used in place of a gasp or choke or grunt, etc. It's stylistically easier than having to write out that he did those things.

And I never had a reviewer give my fic a score link to a song. I still don't understand what it means, but okay.
>> No. 115824
>>115821
Score guides linked in the thread rules. And I do understand he was chocking but I just think there may be better ways to illustrate it then putting like 20 ellipses in three paragraphs.
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>>115721
Heh, I was just about to stop by and say hi, when lo and behold, you've gone and reviewed this for me, thank you.

Yeah, the clunky characterization has been difficult to nail down properly. The reason she seems to be jumping around so much is because she's actually feeling all of that at once, really. I wanted her to be vulnerable, but trying to appear strong and proud. She's also been living on her own for a while, so she's prone to be bitter, but she truly wants help. As for the others: That's a bit disheartening to hear, but at least I know it's necessary.

>Plot=Predictable
Ouch. I was originally trying to make the point that she's not really mean, due to the slip up in her character when she was finally put on the spot, but Ion showed me a reason why that couldn't work, and the story then became even more cliche than it was. I should change my name to "The Cliche Author" or something *Sigh* I guess I'll just have to get the next chapter written.

I've never tried a first person narration before, well not with any seriousness anyway, I might give it a shot.
>> No. 116154
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An interesting story indeed. When I first read the synopsis, I wasn’t quite sure what to expect. After reading the story, I must say that I was pleasantly surprised how it turned out. It’s a sweet story--nothing groundbreaking or “profound”--but a good read nonetheless. However, there are issues. Forgive me if I seem nitpicking in some places, but you did ask for a thorough review.


Plot

I’m going to assume that this is an origin story. The use of the date “994” indicates this.

First, your synopsis introduces ideas that are not explored in the story:

>Ditzy Doo is the daughter of a prominent family in Canterlot.

No where do you mention anything specific about Ditzy’s parents other than the fact that her mother “cut her off” and that her father is upset. Furthermore, what bearing does the prominence of her family have on the overall plot? Consider writing this into the story or re-writing the synopsis, omitting this bit all together. In the doc chat, you mentioned that the reason you chose Ditzy was because she was your “favorite canon character”, if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, I believe this choice introduces a lot of unnecessary questions. Consider picking a different character. Additionally, why are her parents so upset to begin with? Just because she got herself pregnant? To me, that doesn’t seem like an appropriate response. I mean, it’s not like she murdered someone. Sure, unplanned pregnancies can change someone’s life (for better or for worse), but for her mother to “cut her off” is just a ridiculous overreaction, in my opinion.

Keep in mind that I am drawing my conclusions here based solely on my current knowledge. I realize that you may in fact be pulling ideas from previous stories you have written, in which case my argument above is somewhat moot. But still, I request that you justify this choice further to me, if only for my own enlightenment.

Second, I want to talk about your plot in general. It’s pretty solid, other than what I mentioned above, and I had to dig deep to think of a few reasons why EqD might have denied it twice. In their denial letters, any plot related concerns that the pre-readers expressed have already been dealt with, so I’m really shooting in the dark here. Because your choice of Ditzy as the main character is arbitrary, and because we know so little about her (her canon character, anyway), I can’t connect emotionally with her. Essentially, I am going into this with zero context: all I know about Ditzy is her name and that she is rather clumsy (S2E14, The Last Roundup). Therefore, if you intend to keep her as the main character, you must be sure give the reader more insight into her mind, what makes her tick, her likes/dislikes, etc. Her actions must be in context. Otherwise, the reader has nothing with which to base their interpretation of said actions on. They could mean anything. In my opinion, this story would have a bigger impact on the reader if a character like Dash got pregnant. Perhaps this happened to her, and she didn’t go through with the pregnancy. It would be interesting to see what kind of impact this would on have a character I’m already very familiar with. Perhaps this would provide Dash with justification for making the choices she does today? The fact that the conflict revolves around Ditzy doesn’t really mean anything to me.

I’m confused as to the message you’re trying to send here. What is the moral of this story? Friends have your back, no matter what? If your parents are angry at you because you get pregnant, it’s okay to run away? You should always unconditionally welcome strangers? Or is this story perhaps about Rainbow Dash? How, even though her personality is at times impassive or abrasive, she is at heart truly a loving and caring individual? So you see, here is my problem: I can’t determine what this story is about. Sure, I know what it’s about, but your overall message is unclear. You have some good ideas here, but you need to expand on them and make them relevant. Make them mean something. You must have had some goal when setting out to write this story. My suggestion is that you revisit this goal. Examine it closely and see if the story does indeed satisfy it. If not, either change the story or change the goal. If you feel like the story does satisfy this goal, I suggest you find a way to make it more evident to the reader.

Also, your ending was rather lackluster and left a lot of loose ends. So, Ditzy is happy that she has been welcomed to Ponyville by Pinkie Pie, and... What does this mean for her? Is she looking forward to a new place to live? Is she anxious about the challenges she will face as a single mother? Does she even intend to return home to mend the relationship with her parents? You leave a lot of questions unanswered, and that disappointed me. I’m left with an incomplete picture. My suggestion is that you rewrite this ending and make a more satisfying one that stays true to the definition of conclusion.


Style

For the most part, your structure and phrasing were good. There were a few instances of awkward sentences that I pointed out, but I believe you have fixed these. The biggest issues I noticed were slight instances of LUS and your tendency toward telling, instead of showing. Now, I don’t need to be giving you some big lecture about SDT (hah, as if I’m able to avoid it myself); you know very well what the problem is and--more importantly--you know how to fix it. Comb through your story and make sure that the narrator is not directly revealing the feelings of a character. I pointed out a few instances of this, but there are more.

Another thing I found disconcerting was the scene transitions. The transitions themselves are in appropriate locations, but you also switch perspective characters at these breaks. At one point, I made a mistake in one of my comments because it was unclear to me who the perspective character was. If you’re going to be jumping back and forth like this, my suggestion is that you differentiate the narration style between scenes to such a degree that there is no question about who is the perspective character. I don’t want to have to wait until I see “Rainbow thought” to be certain who’s point of view the story is in. Because the style you’re using is so informal, I should be able to know simply by your phrasing and word choice.


Mechanics

Commas, commas, commas. Devious little creatures, are they not? I think it’s safe to say that at least half of my comments were related somehow to the misuse or omission of commas. You are correct: a comma is used to separate the objects in a list containing three or more items. However, there are many, many other times when commas are appropriate, if not necessary. Even when a comma isn’t necessary, it still might be good idea to throw one in to improve flow, clarify ideas, or for other stylistic purposes. The problem is that sometimes you use them correctly, while other times, you don’t. As I have no way to determine whether your errors are true errors rather than simple oversight, I must assume the worst. There are many books out there that can lend a hand with mechanics, but here are some online resources that I have found useful in the past:

Guide to Grammar and Writing: eleven simple rules for comma usage http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm

Purdue OWL: extended rules for using commas http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/607/02/

Another note worth mentioning is your use of semicolons. Generally, it is acceptable to have one semicolon per page. Any more than that and your writing may begin to come across as pretentious. Allow me to quote one of my favorite authors:

Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college.”

Kurt Vonnegut

This is a simple fix. Many of your semicolons can be replaced with periods with little to no effect on readability.


Final Thoughts

Good job. You employ solid characterization and a fun, light-hearted style. You also present some good ideas, but you fail to elaborate on them. As stated, I thought this was a pretty decent story. Your style errors were few, and the mechanics errors slight (more or less). However, my opinion is that it would be in your best interest to reexamine your plot, keeping in mind the issues that I pointed out. From your responses to my comments, it’s clear that you have some other people working on this with you—editors, co-authors, or otherwise. Sometimes, all it takes is the perspective of another person to see things clearly. If you really want this story to be all that it can be, my suggestion is that you go ahead and submit it to more review threads before sending off again to Equestria Daily.


Good luck,

~Seidio
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>>116154

Hey Seidio! Nitpick away, that's why I came here. Allow me to address each section of your review:

PLOT

You're correct that this is an origin story; however, it's the first of several chapters, which is why there were so many loose ends at the end. (I thought I'd it clear when I submitted it here that this is the case, but I guess not. My bad.) A lot of what you mentioned about the synopsis is going to be expanded upon in later chapters--Ditzy's personality, likes, and dislikes, her family and their interactions with her, and so forth--but I'll look into revising it nonetheless.

Also, I said that Ditzy was my favorite FANON character. As far as canon goes, Rainbow Dash is best pony.

Concerning the moral/goal of the story, that's an issue of me hoarding my secrets; I do have a specific direction I'm going with this story, and those will become evident in later chapters.

STYLE

Yah, there's no two ways about it--SDT has been an issue for me, and I could only get away with it in "From the Mouths of Fillies" because of the point of view. At time of writing, I've gone over and fixed/altered most of the instances you pointed out.

I'm more in disagreement with you on the subject of LUS. A *little* descriptive language isn't a story-killer, especially when introducing a character that readers aren't immediately familiar with (Cloud Kicker, for example).

As far as the scene and PoV transitions go, you have a point. Again, FtMoF corrupted my train of thought a bit by having only one "narrator", so it's something I'll work on.

MECHANICS

It seems that the commaphobia related to *my* editing projects has had a detrimental effect on my own writing. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for that in future chapters. Also, I'll go back over and double-check the semicolons per your suggestion.

FINAL THOUGHTS

Again, I know this seems incomplete, and that's because it is--I've been staring at this for so long that I forget not everyone is privvy to the bigger picture I have in mind.

Thank you again for your time and help! I'll be back at a later date with more chapters.

Comma-Kazie
>> No. 116235
>>116158

Ah, I was under the impression that the story was a one-shot. That information indeed clarifes things. I look forward to seeing where you go with this.
>> No. 116312
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Hello again. I've got a rather short collection of words I wonder if you could take a look at. 12Step suggested I bring it here and ask for Khakispony. How about it?

Title: 2-D Pony
Tags: Dark, Sad
Synopsis: Two-dimesional. You'd think being flat would be fun right? Wrong. It's the worst existence imaginable, if you can even call it existing. I think I'm going insane.
Word count: 1086
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-fJ2rXnSi0O55Xf_9L4gae3O05hhgg2CDpdLMPiFxLo/edit
>> No. 116314
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>>116312
Wow wow wow! Hold on just a stinkin' minute here. Someone actually told you to come to me for help? I don't know whether to be thankful or insulted!
>> No. 116332
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First review as a discouraged worker. Yay.


Plot: This was my main issue with your and it really soiled the rest of the fic for me. You play Twilight as naive to this whole technological boom happening all across Equestria but give no reason why she should be naive. You establish that she's following the technological boom but when she gets to Canterlot she's all like omg what is this. It's like having a person who knows about the internet but doesn't know what a computer or web enabled phone is. Furthermore there's no compelling reason to keep her in the dark about the technology. I see you're going forwith her being new to the sport thing but why does she have to marvel at everything else. It just tore into my enjoyment and left the pieces scattered about. I gave frequent examples in the fic on my thought processes going into the fic so those are just a few questions you can avoid by making Twilight familiar with the changes in tech but not with the toy fights. Other issues are pointed out in doc but I'd suggest heavily considering making changes.


Characterization: I don't care much for Twilight but that's only because of the aforementioned plot info. I just can't buy that the pony encyclopedia would be so out of the loop with things. To me those roles would better be filled by an Applejack.


Structure: You tell quite a bit. Reread your fic and see if you can condense information down a bit. I don't need a play by play of a book levitating to Twilight's lap is all I'm saying.

Grammar: Few errors here and there but I'm not the best person to look for those. Seidio is much better at that.

Overall impressions: You have one enemy in this fic in the ways that I can't suspend my disbelief. For the first 3/4's of the fic all i'm asking is why things are happening and not in a good way. Fix that and you'll have a good fic in my eyes. Right now I'd give the fic a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyLR4NfMiI

I suggest getting some more reviews before revising and sending it into eqd.

>>116312 You are in the queue
>> No. 116376
>>116332

Well, if I knew how to work chanboards better, the picture in my post would be a very sad one. But hey, this is exactly what I wanted. Someone to harshly tear the fic apart and find every piece of trash built up in it.

So I will start off by saying thank you very much for taking the time to go through, comment, and review the chapter! I'll use everything you suggested to help tweak and fix the story, and hopefully improve it! Now, onto my response:

Considering the entire basis of the plot was essentially picked apart and made useless by a single fact you listed (which I honestly didn't take note of in the show until you listed it), I believe that would make this story a scrap or in need of a complete rewrite. I've been throwing a few ideas around in my head and on paper since I read the doc comments, but honestly, if I can't come up with a decent rewrite idea or workaround, the latter may end up becoming the option here as a result.

It probably doesn't help my case that a few things (such as how electricity is involved with the game and why Sunfire is the only one with wings) are explained in chapter 2. Do you feel it's better if I explain that now, or would holding the explanation off until chapter 2 (where Twilight is actually learning aspects of playing the game) is okay?

A couple of things I disagreed with (or need further explanation as to why they don't seem to work in your mind):

- You disliked the idea of Twilight being excited rereading the articles, irregardless of if they had anything to do with her trip. I believe this would be in-character of Twilight due to her love of knowledge and research. Even if it has nothing to do with the direct story, considering the content of the articles and letters, you would at least think Twilight, the one who wants to know everything about everything, would be building up a store of questions to bombard the Princesses with regarding the information in the journal.

- I don't find it too farfetched that Shining Armor never really sent messages to Twilight about the technological boom or the changes. I mean, how long was he dating/engaged to Cadance before Twilight found out? Not even from him, but from Celestia, even.


I do sincerely apologize for leaving such a sour taste in your mouth with the fic, and I understand if any further review requests would be refused. However, thanks again for the blunt and harsh review like I wanted. I will definitely work on my writing skills, hopefully to either push this story forward or to prevent similar mistakes in my next writing attempt. I look forward to our next encounter, whenever that will be!
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>>116376
Here's the main thing I saw about your fic: You don't need all the pretense about a huge technological boom for it to work. At it's core your trying to make a fic about twilight participating in a game where toys fight.. Where in that sentence does it imply that Equestria needs to modernize and have an electricity boom? Your fic picks up when you move away from the tech boom and onto the toys. Just keep that in consideration when you try to rewrite it. And yes I said rewrite because you do have a story worth reading but its just buried.
>> No. 116441
>>116425

A rewrite has been seeming more plausible as I've been thinking about it through the day. My concern is that if it just turns into chapter after chapter of fights, the story will become stale and lose readers a la DBZ or Inuyasha syndrome. Do you think the story needs a deeper conflict (sort of like the electricity and magic play in this version of the story) or would perhaps cutting down a lot on length work out better?
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>>116441
length is truly your enemy as far as repetition goes. I would add little side plots to draw away from the fights themselves. Like here's a pretty cliche one but hey: Twilight loses but suspects the pony who beat her is cheating so she spends a chapter investigating. Stuff like that helps keep things fresh in fics like this. Besides that you may also want to make each fight dynamic. If each fight is fought in a unique way rather than being the same old sequence of punches and kicks then the story is made slightly more interesting. Thats the way i'd go about it at least. An overarching conflict also helps out.
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>>115395
What is this I don't even... Yeah this is rather difficult for me to review so bear with me if I didn't get the joke.


Plot: This was very confusing. It's like if someone compressed a soap opera in a 5 minute commercial. You have a conflict with no buildup whatsoever. Why are the rocks in a three way relationship struggle? No dialogue indicates that there's even a relationship going on. Its just comes out of left field and caught me completely off since well there's no build up. Also the relationship with Yanni and Tom is out of canon.


Characters: Flip flop more like they were on a beach. Maybe that's part of the joke but not even dialogue tropes with Rocky switch off at times. Yanni becomes a villain for no reason.


Structure: Not much in the way of complaints though I would call telling if there was an actual established relationship between the rocks.


Grammar: Not my strong points you pick the wrong verb a couple of time. A few extra spaces also plagued the fic
>> No. 116459
>>116458
First, thanks for taking this on. Not easy, I understand. :) (Did you just cut off at the end there?)

So yeah, I kind of wrote this to be light and fluffy, not to mention it's a crack ship, thus buildup and such were not really planned. (Also, it was written for a contest with a very low word count; this is the long version.) I will definitely look to expand on that a bit in the future.

But yes, you are obviously not very familiar with crack shipping. :V Why aren't rocks in a three-way relationship struggle? would be the salient question. Also, I want to know what you mean by Tom/Yanni being "out of canon". In what way is a relationship between Tom and Rocky in canon in the first place? :O

Many thanks for giving this your best shot. :D I have a lot to take away from this review!
>> No. 116461
Sorry but I omitted a score due to my lack of comprehension. The out of canon thing was the cutie mark mistake I made when they identified Rarity
>> No. 116467
>>116461
Ah, okay. I've addressed that in fic comments. Thanks again!
>> No. 116608
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>>116312

Plot: I'm basically just as perplexed as said 2_d pony about whats going on. I'm going to assume that her got 2-d through poison joke but that seems more cruel than funny. Its more reminiscent of deadly joke from FO:E than whats canon in the show. I also have no clue what's up with that red paste their slathering all over him so a little clarification would be nice.

Characters: Fine for the most part though I'm a little confused why Zecora isn't playing a role besides shaking her head. It just seems like she realizes whats going on more than anyone else.

Grammar: Few errors here and there.

Structure: Fine but a note on the changing dialogue: I get its purpose but I did have to push my screen back quite a bit to read it so i think some desktop users may have trouble.

Overall impressions: good given its length but it felt a bit rushed. I was left confused as to what Pinkie and Twilight were trying to accomplish so a bit of clarification would be nice. I'd give it a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4vsh1zDA

Ok now onto the next... fic. Okay well I'm sure TTG will have something. What's that? 5! That can't be right! can it? How everyone else's queues looking? Mostly empty as well? Gosh what happened here?
>> No. 116613
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>>116608
I really hope I won't have to explain my whole story, but then again, I had to read Bubbles about six times before I finally got it.

I'm glad you picked up on the poison joke, as that was the one I mentioned the least. The red paste is just paint silly; they covered her up.

Zecora does indeed know more than everypony else, which is why she's the one shaking her head, and pinkie and twilight are crying. She knows that nothing can be done, hence the head shake. Zecora plays a bigger role than most would pick up at first glance. She was supposed to be the one who instructed them to cover the flat pony with paint, but if that's not clear, it's not super important.

I'll play around with the colors a little more. At least you figured out what it was for.

Heh, this place seems to be running smoothly. 'Bout time.
>> No. 116614
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so I have a bit of an odd question, khakis. I have a fic, currently a little over 20k but broken in ~7k chapters, that I know the first two chapters are horrid and need considerable work. the first much more so than the second, I have been told. the thing is, I'm writing this fic as an entry to EqD's National Pony Writing Month, and I'm way behind on my numbers. planning to do rewrites the last week of August, right before the submission. but I want just a little more input on the earlier chapters, and maybe some continued input on later chapters, once I have a reviewer up to speed who hopefully remains interested in it.

it's a [slice-of-life][adventure][crossover], who's first chapter has nearly more yellow text than black at this point, but I could really use as many points of view as I can get.

I ask like this, because most reviewers expect a story to have been edited between submissions to separate reviewers. at least, they have in my experience. and I wouldn't want to waste your time even looking at it if you weren't interested in giving a twice-over'ed fic its third look.
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So I hear Khakispony requires moar fics. Allow me to oblige.
Title: Elements of Lunacy
Tags: [comedy]
Word Count: 2141
Syn: Princess Luna is sick and tired of her sister lording her 'Elements of Harmony' over her! She is an alicorn too, and she deserves six faithful subjects willing to do things she's seemingly capable of doing, but doesn't feel like doing! So she does what any princess would do; heads into her kingdom in search of a 'mane six' of her very own. She'll show Celestia that just because she's been on the moon for a thousand years, doesn't mean she can't recruit some loyal and steadfast ponies to do her bidding. Though, it may be harder than she originally anticipated.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10CM1DaSeIcea96gCryMlaqtntnE0N87dnlv7XuDKDDk/edit
>> No. 116622
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>>116614
go for it. Just be warned that i shall be listening to this song in particular if you have yellow and black text http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePtoxDhJSw
>> No. 116629
gotta love a reviewer with a sense of humor.

Title: Bountiful Rainbows
Tags: [slice-of-life][crossover][adventure]
Synopsis: When the very nature of the seasons begins to fall into disarray, it falls to one unicorn to awaken the Princess of the Harvest, and undo the damage, before it spreads to all of Equestria. But does a New Yoke landscaper have what it takes to start a new life in the farming village of Marelot, turn the withering fortunes of the town around, and really get her hooves dirty?

Chapter one: 6,607 words
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19jkDuArI-n_LIxMFbsInEyyaSb37WAU3KENZCA2S76o/edit

Chapter two: 7,417 words
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e3DAaHSgbV0TJKTac5OCY_sGu1DvxWVLaRV6ENbdPZY/edit

and I'll leave it at that for now. chapter three would put me well over your 15k limit khakis.
>> No. 116633
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yo writer of ponies playing vidya games. I'm not angry or anything but I would appreciate a post on the thread. Just we ask that you follow the thread rules and such.
>> No. 116671
>>115754

With regard to the synopsis, I'd insert an ellipsis in place of the comma after "danger" to indicate a pause and introduce some tension. Also, I'd place a colon after "I said it".

Good job on chapter 2. Comments, concerns, and suggestions are all in doc. All of my notes from the previous post still apply, so no need to repeat myself.

~Seidio
>> No. 116692
Wasn't sure if I needed to both post here AND send in the submission form, so I figured I'd cover both ends.

Title: Ponies Playing Videogames

Tags: Comedy, Slice of Life, Romance, Adventure

Word Count: 5762

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpINUP3c0rkUy2Rg1s0QAuUD1vQj5YSr1-gUxbG65Vs/edit

Many thanks! :)
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>>116671
Thanks! I've submitted to EqD for a second time, as they wanted another chapter before posting. They said everything else was good, so take that as a compliment to your editing skills.
>> No. 116701
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This review is brought to you by both reviewers for this thread so lucky you!


Characters: This is hard for me to comment on since basically everyone is ooc on purpose. Luna's dialogue needs more old time tropes, but besides that they accomplish what they are supposed to even if that goes against everything they stand for in the show.


Plot: I have a few issues with the fic. First is the importance of the elements varies from sentence to sentence. Celestia for example insists that Luna must pick her element bearers wisely. She says this basically after saying she can create new elements at a whim with the only difficulty being digging up the spell book to create them. On top of that I was always under the impression that the elements choose their bearers not Celestia. I was also under the assumption that the elements weren't something that could be created. While we are on the topic of questionable continuity lets talk about Luna's imprisonment. First you state there was a civil war and that's something that I disagree with. Your not the only fic guilty but outside of Nightmare fighting Luna I don't see where there would be a war because the opening says that everypony slept through the night. So where were the ponies who supported Luna? Furthermore you state that Luna spent her time in the moon remorseful about what she had done. Then why does she try and take over again right when she escapes? It just bugs me.


Mechanics:

Clean for the most part, but there were many points at which your mishaps resulted in unclear communication. A major issue that stood out to me was your comma misuse in dialogue.

>Luna smiled, heading toward the door, "We shall enjoy a cup of your coffee, and then be off to select our bearers!”

>Celestia raised her nose, going on the defensive, "They are vital to my morning routine,

When using action to identify the source of dialogue, each sentence stands alone with its punctuation.



Also, I noticed a few comma splices. This is when you use a comma to join two independent clauses.

>"I am very proud of you girls, you've done a great deed for Equestria.”

In this example, the comma can be replaced with a period. There are also other forms of punctuation you could consider using, such as a semicolon, em dash, or colon. Any would resolve this issue.


There were some consistency issues with Luna’s speech. She’s uses the royal We and all, but the rest of her dialogue is rather mundane compared with her typical speech patterns. Additionally, you’ll have her speak with elevated language in one paragraph, but then revert to normal speech in the following one. Check out Wikipedia’s page on Early Modern English for assistance.


Keep an eye on your pronoun use as well. Sometimes it’s very unclear to whom you are referring.


Overall your fic was funny but as for normal it was far from it. Characters aren't the same from the show and the plot feels very made up. Its funny but it feels very unhinged from the show. I'm also worried about predictability. I called Trixie being a bearer before the fic began and low and behold I was right. Just try not to follow plotlines from other replacement harmony fics please? I give it a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCy3EWs9Q0
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>>116701
Well it must be my lucky day!

Now on to business.

Luna not being... Luna enough? Certainly. Upon re-reading with your ideas in the margins, I could rework it a bit and toss in more old language and things of that nature.

Celestia saying how important it is to choose elements wisely then using them for mundane tasks is also part of the comedy aspect. Also, though it hasn't been written yet, I was thinking of having Celestia 'create' fake elements for Luna's bunch, sense all she wants is for them to do good in her name, and not necessarily fight monsters or anything. A placebo elements of harmony, if you will. (this would make her trollestia, but since it's a comedy, I feel I may have a bit of license there.)

The mention of the civil war could probably go, but I'm under the impression that NMM and Luna are two separate personalities. One wanted revenge upon her return, and the other just wanted to return.

Also, I don't really read too many fic (hypocrite alert), about how common would you say 'Luna gets her own elements' fics are exactly?

Other than those, everything else you all pointed out, I will work on correcting if I decide to post this.
Thanks for the dual review sirs!
>> No. 116780
>>116779
*since
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>>116779
I understand Celestia being ooc but that conflicts with the normal tag you had. Just label the fic as comedy and I would be fine, but to me normal means strict canon personalities which is what rubbed me the wrong way. As for the fics I haven't really read it but substitute harmony is the clearest point of comparison and what do you now Trixie is one of the replacements. Just be warned about that fic since it has already been EQD'. As for the NMM and Luna being seperate I disagree with but i don't think the canon pushes for either or.
>> No. 116786
>>116779
Here's the link to Substitute Harmony if you'd like to give it a read and try and avoid some of the ideas present: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/substitute-harmony-update-chapter-5.html
>> No. 116803
>>116786
Thanks for the link! I actually remember seeing this fic, though not actually reading it. If the synopsis is accurate, that one is a G1 vs G4 scenario in which the actual elements go missing. This would be more of a Celestia's mane 6 vs Luna's mane 6. As far as the tired-ness of using trixie, I could think of no other unicorn that would draw readers like she would. As for the other Elements, I haven't picked them yet, but I usually plan this kind of thing out before I commit to more than one chapter.
>> No. 117135
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Characters: You're characters come off very pessimistic but that's not the real problem. The real problem comes when characters leave the story and are never heard from again. Take the train conductor for example. You build him up in the first to pages and make the reader think he is the main character. Then, bam, he is gone, never to be seen from again. I doubt he's going to be coming back. Not every character needs motivation and a backstory. It feels like filler and that's never a good sign.

Plot: SLOOOOOOWWWWW. You leave hints of a bigger plot but 10000 words in I need more than that. The big problem is all the pointless dialogue. I don't need a description for everything that goes on. A step by step monologue of giving a ticket to the conductor. I don't need the pointless exposition about how the weather works. If it isn't an integral part of the story I don't need to read it. Taje a good hard look at your fic and decide what is and isn't important to the plot. If it has nothing to do with the plot. I understand that you think I'm mean for saying this but I have no tolerance for filler and your fic has a hell of a lot of it. A lot can and should be cut from it . The opening scene for instance can be cut. Just start with Sunny waking up and move from there. Its your fic and you really do get to skip the boring stuff.

Seidio’s Comments

Mechanics and Style

Alright! Well, there are most definitely some issues here, especially in the grammar department. You’re lucky, though; these can be fixed pretty easily. We had a chat in doc your style and some other concerns of your own. Most of the specifics I pointed out in the doc, but I’ll recap the more prevalent offenders.

>Night Cap dismissed with a wave of her hoof, “It’s just mud.
When using action to identify the source of dialogue, each sentence stands alone with its punctuation.

>Something about Neighton’s First Law of Motion. A science pony could probably explain it better than Pocket could. He was just punctual. Speaking of which.
A common trend I’m noticing in your narrative is the overabundance of fragments. Granted, if this story were in first person, this might pass as acceptable. With the style you choose here--formal, third person (omniscient or limited? but I’ll address that later)--it would be advisable to restrict yourself to the use of whole sentences. In many of the instances of this in your work, this is easily amended with the use of appropriate punctuation, such as the colon, semicolon, etc...

>her sanctuary was the unlit porch of Marelot’s one and only Inn; the Amber Rose.
Semicolons are used to join two independent clauses. Use a colon here.

>“Oh, well hello then. I’m Sunny Blossoms,” Sunny introduced herself in kind, as she took the stallion’s offer to a hoof shake.
“Yeah, hello? Department of Redundancy Department? Your two ‘o'clock is here.” You don’t need to tell us that she’s introducing herself. It’s clear what she’s doing from the dialogue.

>“You, too, Brass,” Sunny reciprocated.
The great thing about the word “said” is that readers pass over it easily, hardly even recognizing its existence. Its use helps make the dialogue realistic. Many writers, uncomfortable with the repetition of this word, feel the need to break out the dictionary and tantalize the reader’s senses by using every verb ever associated with speech. Spicing things up like this only serves to rip the reader from the story, wondering, “Hmm? Isn’t there a better verb that could go here? Perhaps... said?”

>“Apple, grape, and pomegranate,” the clerk intoned mechanically.
Some writers feel the need to complement their speech tags with adverbs that tell the reader what the character is feeling, even when it’s plainly obvious from what she just said. Adverbs are good sometimes, but overuse leads to an unnecessary mess.

------


My first suggestion is that you take a look at some of grammar guides I posted a few reviews up. Pay special attention to dialogue punctuation. Second, go through your work with a fine toothed comb, making sure to drill each and every sentence:


“Hey, you there! Sentence!”

“Y-yes?”

“Do you progress the plot, or reveal character?”

“I... uh...”

“Get your sorry flank outta my office!”



Your description is not the problem here; it’s what you choose to describe that bogs down your story with unnecessary details. As we discussed, relevance is key.

You also had some issues with the point of view. The story begins in the perspective of Pocket Watch, but abruptly switches to that of Sunny on the second page. Not only is this jarring, but it doesn’t make any sense, especially considering that the rest of the story is entirely from the perspective of Sunny (though you do jump out of her head sometimes, describing things she can’t possibly see). As an author, you may think it’s quite convenient--jumping into the heads of characters willy nilly. Generally, any point of view that lasts less than a page needs to be cut. If you choose a restricted third-person point of view to start, you must follow through, and accept the fact that there are limitations that come with this choice.

So, that wraps it up. I want to apologize if any of my comments struck you as “insulting” or “pessimistic”. I’m merely a sarcastic guy by nature. My ultimate intention as a reviewer is to help authors with their work, and watch their writing improve. Keep in mind that everything I say is my opinion. You should take it all with a grain of salt. If you agree with it, great! If not, so be it. You will not hurt my feelings.

With regard to the actual story itself, I found it be rather interesting. Though I haven’t quite found a plot yet, you have me curious as to what exactly the point of Sunny’s journey is in the first place. As I said, my email address is open to you, as well as our queue. The fact that you are willing to revise your work and perfect your craft speaks wonders to your enthusiasm and motivation. Remember: keep writing.


Cheers,

~Seidio
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>>117135
Yeah, I felt the exact same way about the story when I went through the first two chapters (>>116218 >>116504). Like hunting for Checkhov's needles in a proverbial haystack of mundane details.

Something I realized the author could do well to contemplate, that I didn't say or emphasize enough: are there any subtle details that are going to come back around as important later on?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov's_gun
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Title: Black Box

Name: Breath of Plagues

Tags: [dark][adventure][sad]

Synopsis: Cutie Marks:Their appearance marks a very joyous occasion for the youth of Equestria, but not all cutie marks are innocent. Some unlucky foals develop much darker natured marks. These young ponies all soon disappear without a trace, never to be heard from again. They disappear to Black Box.

Links:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oB-UbxcSpuGMKGFw2EzQK91MjTLssX1nnVtVw-cH-N0/edit

Comments/Request: The first draft was reviewed by Garnet, but since then, the story has been extensively reworked and expanded. Also, I listed some concerns at the bottom that I'd like you to comment on.

This fic was an experiment targeted at self improvement. As a result the plot is a little odd at times, but I feel it ended up pretty decent. I plan to posting it around after it gets improved via review criticism so tell me what you think.

I'd like you not to hold back on the criticism because it'll only help me improve, but also please tell me if I do anything particularly well. Like if there's anything you really liked tell me so I can analyze it and figure out where my strengths lie.
>> No. 117326
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>>117135
>>117222
Ouch. Double teamed.

Yeah, the story needs some serious work in the first two chapters. I had so little planning running into this for the writing contest, and it really shows. After a few weeks brushing off the literary rust and reacting to the commentary I've received on the opening chapters -- which is extremely consistent -- I've begun to make adjustments to my style, as well as putting more thought and consideration into my work. My grammar needs some serious assistance, so I've broken out my old pocket manual from my freshman college classes. It should help some. I'll also look for the guides you mentioned above. As for my admittedly lethargic pacing and overabundance of fluff... That's going to be a harder challenge to overcome, I think. It'll be much easier when I'm not trying to race to 50,000 words by the end of the month to satisfy my contest entry. I'd imagine that's where a lot of my fluff is coming from. There's a lot wrong with my work that I've had to just let lie as I forged ahead in order to meet quota.

It seems I have a story to tell, I just need to actually, you know, tell it, and step away from my literary tangents that I seem so fond of. I know you guys said my story didn't need a complete rewrite, but the further and further I get into my story, the more and more I feel there's a crucial element missing. Something that would answer a lot of questions, help move the plot along and develop character, and deal with that atrocious use of Pocket Watch in the opening sequence, replacing him with characters that actually matter and stick around. These characters' involvement in the story would radically change nearly every scene in the story. But I'm okay with that. It needs to be done. This won't happen until after August ends, though. For now, I'm going to continue along the with the plot I have come hell, high water, or 50,000 words.

If it hasn't left too sour a taste in your mouths, I do have chapters 3 and 4 capped off, and could use the continued critique on them. They were written taking into consideration the commentary I'd received on the first two chapters, and I think I just had by ducks lined up better by that point. Mind you, I fully expect chapters 3 and 4 to be turned inside out, as well. I'll post them up once I have a chance to give them a once over myself to try and catch anything glaringly obvious.
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>>117326
Think of a story as a burger. Now imagine one of those old fast food "where's the meat" TV adverts, only replace "meat" with "MacGuffin" or "conflict". The actual driving force of the story just needs more attention, that's all. Let the main idea behind the story take precedence, and getting rid of fluff will come naturally, I believe. If the main structure of the story itself is what you have your heart set on, just have faith in yourself that you'll find creative ways to have all the details accentuate and enforce the plot rather than provide distractions. But don't fall too in love with any one thing; that may lead to ethos collisions and plotholes developing in the planning stage, and the story falling apart at the seams.

Fluff was meant to bend and bow to the will of the author so that it lends the main story its uniqueness, tone and feel. Science fiction and fantasy are pretty illustrative examples of this, where you have so much exposition and world-building, but the author (if good) manages to have it not interfere with or delay the story, and may even tie it in to the story.

I hope you can bring your story to fruition. Keep writing.
>> No. 117442
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A WoW crossover? Lets see how this went.

Characters: As far as characters go you're fine. However be warned. Your OC seems very pointless. We recommend switching him to a canon character like Twilight but there's a much more impending problem I see on the horizon. You're heading into self insert territory. If Umbra is whom I'm told and if that romance tag will develop with said character then the self insert is defiantly a possibility. Avoid at all costs

Plot: There really isn't one at the moment. The idea of WoW with ponies is taken in its simplest form. I don't see a conflict, character development or really anything that isn't a constant stream of WoW matches from here on. I need more than that and more importantly EQD needs more than that.

Telling and LUS: You had some problems with both. Once you've introduced a character use their name or a pronoun to identify them. Avoid telling us characters emotions. Use body language and facial expression to imply emotion rather than tell us that a pony was unhappy, hurt, or frustrated

Seidio’s Comments

Systemic errors? Oh boy. It doesn’t get much more vague than that. To me, that means one of two things (or both): either the premise of your story is flawed at a fundamental level (I mean, ponies with computers? That’s bucking absurd), or you go about presenting the idea in such a way diverges so greatly from what would be considered a “plausible” story in the MLP universe, without using an AU tag. I suppose this isn’t a true “crossover”, but you do have our favorite multicolored equines playing video games, essentially portraying all of their quirks and personality traits on their “in game” characters, while at the same time throwing in this OC who serves no real purpose seriously, who the buck is Rigel, and why should I care about him? Honestly, Rigel’s character could easily be replaced with, say, Twilight Sparkle. Instead of some vague astronomy report, she’s trying to write her weekly friendship report, but is overcome with the temptation to play Evertrot, or something. Although it would pretty much warrant a rewrite of this story, I don’t think that’s a half-bad idea, myself.

I also noticed you included a romance tag. You better not be thinking about doing what I think you’re thinking about doing. please, dear God, for the love of all that is holy, do not ship your OC with Umbra--who I can only assume is Luna, based on the name choice. Unless, of course, this is another OC. But I hope not. That’s one more character I don’t care about until his/her (I don’t judge) actions are placed into context.

You don’t describe the world of Evertrot enough for me to get a clear picture of what the buck is going on. First, you need to build Rigel’s world. Okay, well, that’s pretty much done for you. But then you transition into the world of Evertrot, which is analogous to WOW, correct? I’ve never really played that game, so I haven’t a clue of the details of the in-game world. You have to assume your reader has zero knowledge of the game as well. As a result, you really have to do a good job of painting a picture for the reader. I like your attempt to vividly describe actions scenes, but it comes across as a half-hearted, especially considering the fact that I have no context with which to watch the action unfold.

All the specific grammar stuff is in doc. Some misplaced commas and periods, but nothing too major. The biggest thing that stood out to me was the seemingly random capitalization that you use. Sometimes you capitalize nouns which aren’t proper, while other times you fail to capitalize words that definitely should be proper. I came across this so frequently that stopped marking them. Go back through the story, and you’ll definitely see what I’m talking about. Now, if a word like “Minotaur” is directly describing some race in the game, I might let that pass. The problem your inconsistent: you’ll capitalize a word in the first sentence of a paragraph, but then a few sentences later, the word is suddenly improper. Make up your mind. Seriously. I should not have to write a whole paragraph about this.



Time for line-by-line fun!

>The unfortunate goldfish on the counter watched helplessly as his owner passed by without dropping some food into his bowl.
Beware ambiguous pronouns. Also, I tried to picture a goldfish “helplessly watching” something. I was unable to do so.

>His screen was blank, and a little cursor idly flashed, seemingly eager to sew his words onto paper.
Hold up. It’s not the screen that’s blank, it’s the document in the word processor. You could counter with, “You get what I mean.” Yes, I do. That doesn’t excuse your oversight here.

>A glance at the clock on the computer revealed that it was nearly midnight.
This sentence and the next few following it are very monotonous in nature. Consider varying your sentence structure here.

>Charon ran a hoof over a long, jagged mark on his right foreleg, thoughtfully recollecting the day it had been placed there.
Scars don’t really get “placed” anywhere. They form as a direct result of an injury. Reconsider your word choice here. Then again, in the fantasy game world of Evertrot, perhaps they do get “placed”. Either way, you haven’t immersed me deep enough into the game world at this point to know the difference.

>Passersby marvelled at the sight of a petite little Pony
Redundancy is redundant. The definitions of “petite” and “little” are too similar.

>Besides, even if I am an egghead, I’m still cooler than both of you. I mean, look at my character!”
A lot of unnecessary italicization throughout the story. Cut back on it. For the most part, it should be clear from the way you construct the sentence which words or phrases are emphasized.

>“Well, as long as we’re not role-playing,” he threw a teasing look at Dashmaster. “How’s Bon-Bon?”
The first bit of dialogue is not a complete sentence, yet you end the action with a period. Make it a comma, and use a small h.

>Zerah stuck her tongue out at Dashmaster
Is this emote possible in Evertrot? Dang, that’s pretty detailed.

>Most unnerving, however, was not the size or strength of their members; but the glowing, pale blue eyes
Semicolon misuse. Use a comma here.

>Yelled Dashmaster, raising his sword
Okay, so Dashmaster is Rainbow Dash, right? If so, perhaps you should use she here instead. If the actual game character is male, this is acceptable. You are, however, inconsistent in your choice of pronoun for this character. Be consistent.

>His sword now doused in blood, Dashmaster charged at a nearby changeling, bringing his sword to bear down on the comparatively diminutive creature.
I don’t like the way the second half of this sentence is worded.

>The spirit looked up at Dashmaster, and spoke.
You don’t need to tell us she spoke here. The following dialogue was repeated earlier, so it’s clear who’s saying it. You can keep the action.

>Rigel could think of at least a dozen ponies who played as the opposite sex, not even including Rainbow Dash.
Consider revision.

>They served as mere indicators; pointers that gave direction to the brilliant globe that gave countless ponies direction in navigating the seas.
Is there a purpose behind this little exposition regarding the importance of stars?

>The next he noticed was “Corvus”, an ineptly-named constellation that was shaped like a misshapen box.
The repetition of “shape” is unnerving here. I looked up a picture of this constellation. Even “misshapen box” is stretching it. I’d call it more of a “polygon”.

>But what if there was such a thing as destiny? What if they weren’t just coincidences?
Rigel fancies himself a philosopher, I see.

>Still, when once-in-a-lifetime things happened, such as running into the same pony twice in Evertrot
Okay, this a little extreme. First, we have Rigel contemplating, like, the meaning of life, or something, and now his attention is turned immediately to this game. Is he obsessed? The only RPG I ever had experience with is Runescape (I’m not proud of my past) and it indeed sucked the life force out of me. Is this what’s happening to Rigel? Otherwise, his thought process here is coming off as a bit absurd.




There’s a story here sort of, but I feel as though you’re placing too much emphasis on “epic in-game action scenes” and not enough on giving me a plot to bite on. You see, there really isn’t any conflict. You have 5000 words of this battle that is of little relevance to anything, but you only briefly (like, a few sentences briefly) talk about what I assume to the conflict in this story: Rigel’s interaction with Umbra. The problem is that there isn’t enough detail about this for me to get a good sense of what’s going on. Consider starting the story with a different story, beginning instead with Rigel’s (note my above recommendation on characters) first encounter with this “Umbra” character. That way we get right into the action without delay. It is my belief that this--along with everything else I mentioned--will only serve to improve this story.

That all being said, I highly recommend you go through it again before resubmitting to EqD (which I’ll assume is your intention). Khakis and I both had a lot to say about the story, good and bad. Feel free to disregard our suggestions if you feel they clash with your “artistic style” or whatever. I dunno. Some authors are weird like that.


~Seidio
>> No. 117449
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Im tired of being first!

As this is a crossover, I don’t have much to say about the plot. Khakis linked to the play, and it looks as though you’re following the storyline exactly, except with ponies. I’m going to focus on your grammar and style, which stand out a sore thumb amid what is otherwise a fairly decent story.


>The tall mare looked behind her to find an almost immediate turn in the passage. She did not remember any turns. The stallion paid his companion no mind. He approached and opened the apparently unlocked door.
Rather monotonous sentence structure here.

>Occupying the room were three sofas arranged like a square without a top.
Squares don’t have tops. Cubes have tops.

>In between the sofas was a dark brown coffee table. In the centre of that was a cylindrical ceramic flower pot containing lavenders. Up against the wall on the left hoof side of the door was an oval mirror the height of the mare horn and all.
This was over here, and that was over there. And then this was over there also. In addition to just flat out describing the room with boring description (and insufficiently varied structure), consider including some action. How are the characters in the scene reacting to the surroundings?

>“So this is my prison… I expected something much more… barren.” She breathed in the lavenders’ far reaching scent. “Either dearest sister is the spineless ruler I knew her to be or she has truly no idea of what punishment is.” Does she really think isolation is sufficient?
Is this inner dialogue, or is she speaking these words aloud? If she's thinking this, the italics are inappropriate. You need to make it clear what form this dialogue is taking.

>He was the height of the average palace guard and wore their armour.
This is super awkward. Reword this sentence.

>There are no windows, she realized.
Well, hello there, present tense.

>Would that serve to make this temporary setback seem longer or shorter she wondered
This is really, really clunky, and awkward to boot. Consider rearranging this, or somehow making it into internal dialogue. For instance, “She wondered if that would alter the duration of this temporary setback.”

>She approached the mirror. True to its size it reflected her entire form.
Consider, "It reflected her entire form true to its size". Then again, what's so extraordinary about this anyway? Don't mirrors do that by default. My mirrors do, though I sometimes wish that wasn’t the case.

>She turned to the guard; in the process tripping on her cape, forcing her to crawl.
Yeah, don’t use a semicolon here. A comma would do nicely.

>A tear drew a line down her frozen, shocked face and disappeared into the carpet.
The tear should probably fall off her face first before magically appearing on the carpet.

>It let the world go on without me,” he gave a grunt and continued, “I can’t do that now. I have to go second to second with this place now.
You improperly punctuate the dialogue here. Both of those commas should be periods. Whatever follows a comma after dialogue must be attributed to speech. Any action needs to be a separate sentence. Man, I say this all the time, but here goes again: when identifying the source of dialogue, each sentence stands alone in it’s punctuation.

>“Not once… can’t count the number… I concede to that... But she didn’t complain… it was the others – they complained for her.
Far too many ellipses here. Oh, hey! An em-dash!



Misplaced and missing commas abound. So much so that I stopped marking every occurrence half-way through. You should be able to spot these errors on your own. Here’s a little trick: read each sentence out loud. Pretend as though you’re giving a speech. It should be much easier to determine where in the narrative you need a comma. Any natural pauses in your speech are a good indication that a comma is needed. If it sounds awkward out loud, you can bet it’ll be awkward on paper. Commas are your friend! (just don’t abuse them, because then they won’t be your friend, and neither will I)

Your style is pretty good, but there are places where you just have terribly awkward structure that forced me re-read the sentence. That’s not good. The first part of the story was rife with overabundant description that seriously bored the hay out of me. As a solution, try showing the reader the characters’ reaction to their environment. As I neared the end, however, this problem more or less resolved itself. In addition, I found the narrative rather dry in places. This may be a stylistic thang, but you should try to keep things interesting through varied structure and word choice.

Cool story, brony. No, seriously. I liked it. Good through, fix the errors, and then go through it again. After that, you should have quite a decent story on your hands. Also, don’t forget about the other reviews here well, the ones that are left, anyway. I’m sure someone’ll have many additional things to say about this piece.


~Seidio


Khakis comments: There is one thing that worries me about your fic: it's a copypasta of the original play. Admittedly I haven't seen the original so yeah this may sound wrong but from what I did read from the wikipedia page there is no real original concept in your story that differs from the play. That's not a knock against it for me but for others it may be an issue. And thats all I really have to say.
>> No. 117451
>>117449

Oh my. Please forgive the atrocious grammar and missing words in the above review. That bit at the end there should be "reviewers here as well". How hypocritical of me to harp on your grammar while thoroughly botching my own.

Ah! I clearly need sleep.

*looks at watch*

Only 11? Man, I'm lame.
>> No. 117488
>>117449
Thank you for that review. I can't believe how much grammar I missed in that. I'll probably completely revise Whooves' monologue. I was trying to imitate the constant pauses of old plays, but it doesn't seem to work that well in prose. In response to Khakis' comment: While the basic series of events and setting are taken from No Exit, I tried to use it as a tool to examine the characters (all except for Whooves, whose story was completely taken... probably have to change that).
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>>117442

Aah, capital! My review is here.

A couple of things before I really dig in, here. You use the term "LUS". I don't know what that's supposed to abbreviate.

Also, you are not the first one to have a problem with the premise: that Equestria has computer technology. Another person that checked it out for me didn't much care for the idea either.

I'm perfectly aware that it's absurd to tell a story about pastel-colored equines who apparently have computer technology. I also get the idea that a universe where horses can talk is generally absurd on its own right. For that reason, I'm not particularly worried about pushing the envelope a little bit, you know?

Nonetheless, thank you for your honesty. As indicated by the other issues you've brought up, this fic was in dire need of a critical eye, and your candid review did that in surplus.

Now, let's get down to the nitty-gritty.

Characters: I can see how the OC would seem pointless, considering how little his character is fleshed out in this first chapter. Point taken: If using an OC, make the reader care about him. I think the problem was that because I was so focused on establishing the premise (displaying the quirks and foibles of the characters via their behavior in videogames) that I failed to give Rigel very much character development at all.

The upcoming parts of the story include more videogames of course, but in considering that the OC is superfluous to the point of bordering on self-insert status, the next chapter would have to include a lot more character establishment on his part. I had intended on making the second chapter revolve more around developing him, and your review confirms that as the proper course of action.

Plot: As you mentioned, the first chapter is lacking in plot. I had kind of intended on it being a warm-up round to see if people would even like the idea, and it was received warmly on fimfiction, so I have my answer. However, that's no excuse for giving it as poor development as you've noticed. I didn't realize the lack of plot was as glaring as it is.

As I said, the next chapter would involve more intimate character development on the part of Rigel and a classmate. I'm still tossing around the idea of who that classmate would be; probably a canon pony.

Next chapter: Mostly, if not all about character development.

Telling and LUS: I don't know what "LUS" is, but I assume it has something to do with prose and writing ability. Your suggestion on portraying emotions is duly noted. I'm going to have to do a refresher on pronouns: A lot of the first chapter involved two or more characters doing things and I thought that excessive pronoun usage would be confusing.

Sedio's Comments-

Yeah, thanks to you guys, I can now see why they'd reject it before it got to their prereaders. A rewrite is a good idea, (As is your usage of twilight instead of an OC) but i'm not really willing to use Twilight as the protagonist. The lazy college student is a kind of character I think a lot of people would be able to identify with, and there aren't any ponies in the Canon (that I know of) who fit the bill.

I'm wondering if one of my earlier drafts would have been better. I had a more thorough description of "Evertrot", but he suggested that I describe the relevance of the battleground to the reader more than the lore of the world itself.

In addition, I tried to throw in a lot that avid MMO players would recognize and appreciate. I think that caused me to lose sight of what everybody would appreciate.

Improper capitalization is a bad habit of mine. I hadn't even realized I had done it and failed to correct it so many times.

Also, I thought I had caught all the instances of my inconsistent reference to 'Dashmaster'. Oogh. A lot of the grammar things you're pointing out are making me wince in pain. "God, I can't believe I didn't see that!" You know? X)

Believe it or not, an earlier draft focused entirely on Rigel's first interaction with Umbra, but It kept coming out as stilted and awkward so I wrote something that had a bigger highlight on Rigel's interactions with his friends. You've confirmed that I should have gone with my first instinct.

Alright. Questions:

Given that you've brought up all the bad parts of my story, what were some of the good things you saw, if any? I'd like to enhance the good as well as eliminate the bad.

Given I want Rigel to be a solid OC instead of something that looks like a bad self-insert, what do you think I should do if I were to re-write the first chapter? I'd still want it to highlight his first interaction with Umbra, but I'd obviously want him to be a character that the reader cares about.
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>>117554
First off LUS stands for Lavender Unicorn Syndrome. The syndrome has to do with how you write characters names. For new writers the answer to name repetition is often times using character descriptions such as the lavender unicorn said in Twilight's case. In your case it was frequently referring to Dash's online character as the drake rather than the characters name. This is what's meant by LUS since your describing the characters physical attributes when the reader already knows who the character is. A detailed description for the syndrome can be found in EZN's writing guide.

Moving on, while I don't think a full rewrite is necessary, I do believe that it puts the reader on the wrong foot. Added character development and plot development would be nice things to add. To add things about the humor, I felt it was rather predictable with the references. Just saying.
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>>117554

>You use the term "LUS". I don't know what that's supposed to abbreviate.

Allow me expand on Khakis’ comments by offering you the following copy pasta, courtesy of the Training Grounds:

Avoid Lavender Unicorn Syndrome. Lavender Unicorn Syndrome is what happens when, instead of using your characters name or a pronoun, you repeatedly use other descriptors for them. You only have to describe your characters once, and again if something about them has changed. Just remember that “Lavender Unicorn Syndrome” affects hundreds of ponies every year. Symptoms include cyan pegasi, white alicorns, and of course, lavender unicorns. But there is hope. Ask Nurse Redheart if new and improved PRONOUNS® are right for you. Side effects include better writing, love and adoration of fans, acceptance to EqD, glitter cannons, and dry mouth. PRONOUNS®. Because having a lavender unicorn is no way to go through life.


Also, here is the link to Ezn’s guide that Khakis mentioned:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xemG7BLk2rvAmQCREIaj5wX2ubvmVt7WziEvh7xXV9g/edit

It is indeed very helpful.



>Given that you've brought up all the bad parts of my story, what were some of the good things you saw, if any? I'd like to enhance the good as well as eliminate the bad.

Well, like I said, you shove a boatload of action in here, but it serves no real purpose, other than to highlight aspects of characters that we already know. That being said, the action itself isn’t necessarily bad; it’s just that it seems rather misplaced. Set the scene, give us some conflict, then submerge the reader in action.

Honestly--and I realize I’m being rather blunt here--I neither liked nor disliked this story. I mean, it wasn’t terrible--certainly not the worst thing I’ve never read--but nothing really stood out to me. It’s not necessarily your style (which is rather hectic and in-your-face), or your grammar (easily amended), or even your premise (which has promise). If I had to attribute it to one thing, I suppose it would be the approach you chose when tackling the plot. It just… doesn’t have that spark. Maybe it’s because you only have one chapter, or maybe it’s because you don’t establish the conflict quickly enough--I can’t really say. One person may love your work, while the other is indifferent to it. Different strokes for different strokes, you know? Anyway, don’t let my words discourage you. It’s clear you’ve found an audience, and if they’re pleased, and you’re pleased, then that’s that. My opinions are just that--my opinions.


>Given I want Rigel to be a solid OC instead of something that looks like a bad self-insert, what do you think I should do if I were to re-write the first chapter? I'd still want it to highlight his first interaction with Umbra, but I'd obviously want him to be a character that the reader cares about.

This I may be able to offer you more insight on. Using canon characters is easy: they’ve pretty much already been established for you. All of their fears, desires, hopes and dreams--basically their entire personality is laid out. You just have to take them and put them in new situations and provide new struggles for them to tackle. When creating an OC, however, you start with a blank slate. That is why I stress the importance of context. Until the reader really knows who the character is, we have no idea how to interpret their actions. It’s also important to keep your OCs balanced, i.e. avoiding Mary Sue/Gary Stu tendencies and the like. It’s not enough to just throw random flaws at your character; the flaws have to be significant, and they have to be relevant. Check out Cereal Velocity’s guide on writing pony fiction (specifically Part IV), which I link to near the beginning of this thread.
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Mechanics errors aside, I rather liked the story you’re trying to tell here. Sure, your style is at times choppy, but there is no remedy to that but practice, practice practice. I liked the way you described the dim corridors of the Black Box, and I like sense of urgency the characters express. I encourage you to keep working on this story, and I'd like to see where you go with this.

First, some quick things I forgot to comment on in doc:

>...inadvertently sending out puffs of gray fumes.
I would... change this adverb. "Inadvertently" means "without deliberate planning", as if the guard didn't mean to puff the fume. What you want is something like “nonchalantly” or “carelessly”, to indicate that he doesn’t care where he’s blowing the smoke.


>Both armored guards dashed off down the narrow railing.
“Railing” refers to a ‘fence’ or ‘barrier’. What you’re looking for here is something like “catwalk” or “metal walkway” or something.



Below are examples of some of the major issues I saw.


>“Deal with it.” He said before puffing a plume into his fellow guard’s face.
By far the biggest problem with your grammar is your punctuation of dialogue. I pointed out all the mistakes I could find, but it’s very likely I missed some. Read those references I linked you to, and go through the story again.


>A white stallion with a crimson mane was trudging through Ponyville. Blood dripped from several cuts along his back and muzzle. His eyes looked distant as he stared off blankly. She could see his slow, heavy breathing as mist in the cold.
Vary your sentence structure. Oftentimes, your narrative consists paragraphs made up entirely short, choppy sentences that are monotonous in their structure.


Now to answer your questions.

>First: the central core concept is a little silly and possibly not interesting enough.
This is a nonissue. If you can make an idea work, then it’s “silliness” is irrelevant. The concept is interesting, though I do question your use of the “jumpy chronology”. If you’re going to take this approach, be sure to do so in a way that won’t confuse the reader.

>Second: Ooc (out of character) on twilight.
This is very minor. The only thing I noticed was her dialogue, which came across as stilted and wooden. Make sure to read all your dialogue aloud; if it sounds natural, then you’re set. Also, do not worry about your story being too OC heavy. OCs can work, but you must develop them properly. Whatever you do, don’t make it so OC-centric as to detract from the personalities of any of the canon characters. It’s important you make sure Twilight isn’t there just to make your OC look good.

>Third: Too OC heavy.
See above.

>Fourth: the guards.
This is a valid concern. Here’s a solution: don’t give the reader direct information through the guards. Perhaps one of the main character is overhearing one of the guards? The intro you have is fine, but you would be wise to cut back on the detail, in my opinion.

>Fifth: the lack of action.
Well, I didn’t really see a problem here. But you are right: you should include more conflict with the opening the scenes of the story. That way, the reader will have a reason to keep reading.

.
~Seidio



Khakis' Comments

Characters: I didn’t really have a problem with your OCS as characters but heres my issue: They aren’t threatening. Like at all. They have bright cheery names, they giggle and laugh, and use fairly clean language. So why the hell are they in prison?! The closest they get is contemplating killing the warden, but that comes out of left field and doesn’t feel write. I’m honestly expect Wave Riders talent to be surfboarding at this point. Just like give them threatening aspects or something that would make them outcasts because at this point I’m baffled why they are in the Black Box in the first place.

Plot: Ahh yes a classic prison break fic. Likeable prisoners who aren’t in any way deserving of their fate? Check! Playful banter during said escape? Check! Cheesy death scene in media res during a rainy day? Cliche but Check! And the release of a dangerous prisoner just as an important figure arrives? Check, Check, and Check! I don’t take issue with any of the above mentioned scenes though I think the in media res thing could be pushed to the beginning for added clarity it was a fine tale whose only detriment was establishing a real reason for the main characters to be in a prison. Besides that I was enjoying myself. Good job.


And with that, the queue is empty.
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Evening Khakis and Seido. Seeing as the queue is quite empty--and taking the opportunity, considering my time's more or less 'destroyed' (school and whatnot), I might as well get this to you guys before I forge. I apologize for the rather rushes nature of this post.

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Story Title: Salty Shores (redux)

Synopsis: There is a fog covered hillside cove that few dare speak of... a place where the black seas and the black earth converge. The few tales that are whispered of it speak of a damned town where the dead walk and an evil born in the deepest, darkest recesses of the ancient oceans resides; an evil that neither science nor magic can explain....

But this wasn't always the case. Once, the location was one of progress and prosperity, where riches could be made from deep within the earth's bowels.

But that all changed when they came into town...

I should have known that dwelling into the truth behind the town's destruction would change me, but I had to know...

Now, I understand why no one ventures into that town anymore. Now I know why one ventures into Salty Shores…


Tags: [Dark (bloodless carnage)], [Noir (dungeon-punk], [Horror (lovecraftian)], [Alternate universe (EqD verse)]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-hbGnF2o8a59C05cTJ_LTSDbLCfINTDHSRtsI5Ukxs8/edit

Not my best work, epecially now that I'm more or less rushed. Hopefully, you and Seidio enjoys this.

-G
>> No. 117715
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>>117707
>Le me bored
>Notice this:
>If you can make an idea work, then it’s “silliness” is irrelevant.
>it's
You're looking for "Its". "It's" is a contraction of "it is".
There, that's my grammar lesson for the day.

>>117317
Is it just me, or does this totally sound like it's just a version of White Box? Ponies are locked up in a cube that is associated with a colour (that being all of them or the absence of them, really) due to having a special talent that could endanger others.

I can even make a thread between the synopses:
>Synopsis: Cutie Marks:Their appearance marks a very joyous occasion for the youth of Equestria, but not all cutie marks are innocent. Some unlucky foals develop much darker natured marks. These young ponies all soon disappear without a trace, never to be heard from again. They disappear to Black Box.
Why they go to the box.
>My name is Canvas. I remember because I wrote it in the corner of the white box. It takes twelve steps to get from the cot to the wall. And the lights hurt my eyes.
What the box is like.
Now we just need Grey Box to complete the trilogy.

Not really harping on you, author, just couldn't help but comment on the similarities.
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>>117715
Yeah, *sigh*, Seido mentioned that. I, in no way, intended to copy another author's concept. I tried to come up with something completely original and it's just my luck that there's a similar fic.

I'm really bumming that it seems to pop into a lot of people's heads so easily. Not only do the title's seem like parodies of one another, but the concepts are similar. Man that's going to drag this story down. People are just going to label it as a rip off of White Box.
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>>117707
Man did I have a headache when we went through this. I had been writing chapter 2 and listening to hardcore metal when I saw you guys putting up comments. I ended up doing grammar work with Seido for another hour or two with the same music. It's not my recommendation to do that for a long time.

>Sure, your style is at times choppy

I liked to thank Seido for all his hard work with the grammar. I had a lot of odd wordings that I couldn't figure out how to fix. As far as stilted-ness goes, you should have seen my last fic... It was really a mess of a first try. This one was designed to work on that and I feel it succeeded. I didn't expect to get everything right though.

>major issues I saw.

Heh, our ideas of major seem completely different. The dialogue thing kind of took me off guard (You know. We talked about it.), but it's such an easy rule to memorize from here on.

I tried to work on varying the sentence structure for this fic, but like I said, I just came from being the worse stilted writer ever. I'm surprised you found as few instances. I'll work it out, and I appreciate you finding those spots for me.


>responses to the concerns of mine:

Biggest controversy I've been seeing are the responses to the OC's. Most people like them well enough which gives me some relief (I worked hard on them). Secondly, readers with better than average taste seem to always come in defending OC's. Yes I agree with you in the fact that they can be a good asset, but people are prejudice. I've been around, watching reactions to other OC centered fics. I'm inevitably going to miss out on readers, because they won't give them a chance, and that's just the way it is. People always reference FOE in their argument, but that had crossover appeal as a balance. I had to laugh, though, at Khakis getting frustrated saying: "Have faith dammit!". Made my day to see that.

Glad to see for the most part that you guys both disagreed with my concerns here. That puts me more at ease about this thing.

>Khakis comments
>heres my issue: They aren’t threatening. Like at all.

Okay this is actually a huge deal. I cut most of the long exposition on this in favor of action to hook readers.There's not lot of information about their powers and cutie mark abilities in the first chapter, and figured it could blow up in my face. The three OC's are not bad people. They are just victims of prejudice and fear. Chapter two is going to have more on that.

>Check, check and check

Jeez, is it really that cliche? You're really bummin' me out here man. Probably going to take out the death scene, but it's only insinuated and everyone gets a completely different reaction. The last person who looked at that told me: "What death scene?"

>Besides that I was enjoying myself. Good job.
> I rather liked the story you’re trying to tell here.

Man, that's awesome that you guys were entertained by this. It's rough when I pour myself into a writing effort just to see it get shot down. This means a lot that I was able to grab interest from reviewers who read tons of fics.

I want to do more on this, but I still think it'll flop and get buried amidst the infinite internet. That's just the way it is. I was able to entertain for once, though, so I'm pretty happy.
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>>117715

>You're looking for "Its". "It's" is a contraction of "it is".
>> No. 117740
>>117715
Guess my write error wasnt good enough to point out
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>>117725
You could try contacting White Box's author and getting yours classified as a sort of official pseudo-prequel. That would solve your problem of people saying you're ripping him off. EqD hosts plenty of offshots by other authors, after all.

>>117730
Yes, "oh me".

>>117740
Why, would you like me nitpick something from your review?
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>>117715

Wrong, Ion. Black isn't the absence of all colors, as you implied it to be. White is.

An' that's ma colorin' lesson fer teday!
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>>117767
In pigments, yes, white is the absence and black the sum.

In light, though, 'tis the other way 'round.
>> No. 117771
>>117770

As he was talking about colors, then I won the argument.

'Light' was neither directly nor indirectly mentioned, so it's my victory.

:D
>> No. 117773
>>117771
>(that being all of them or the absence of them, really)
I covered both eventualities and was speaking about both black and white interchangably. Ergo, my statement was correct ^_^
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>>117767
>>117770
>>117771
>>117773
We can argue about colors all day, gentlemen. Still, if you must argue about colors, please do so on another thread, preferably on the random or discussion boards
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>>117709

Before we begin, here’s a quick word from our sponsors:


“Your characterization is overall solid as is the plot. The only problems I have are the same as Seidio's. Grammar feels sloppy at times and not in the oh intentional first person way. I just felt there was points where you screwed up as all of us do. Just skim through it again to find errors and you’re golden. And with that, pow I’m gone. *Rushes to actually write something.”

-Khakispony



Thanks for that, Khakispony. Now, back to the action!


You present a very promising synopsis. Let’s see what we have here...

Okay. So after reading this, I must say I rather like it. You explained that you’ll be basing this story off Lovecraft’s work (and you also explained to me the particular style of his work), and I’m really interested to see how that translates to ponies. Taking something so innocent and combining it with something so sinister really appeals to me for some reason. It’s not that I enjoy bastardizing the themes of the show, or that I believe MLP would be better in a darker universe (which it might). On the contrary, I feel that this juxtaposition (big-boy word!) of ideas actually serves to shine light on a whole new aspect of ponies--that is, taking a “perfect” word and showing it nothing but misery. The combination of these subjects--MLP and… horror, I guess--is something that I haven’t yet seen explored in fan fiction, at least to a great extent. Maybe some of your previous work dives into this genre, but I haven’t read it, so I wouldn’t know. I will say that I believe it opens the door to a world of possibilities, and I can’t wait to see where you go with this. This is a good story, and I urge you to see it through to completion. As a side note, I also want to mention that I enjoy your use of illustrations and varied fonts. Some will say it’s distracting, but I myself find it appealing. It serves to give the text a life of its own, and it makes the reading experience that much more engaging.



Plot

Your synopsis promises much more than what this chapter delivers, but as it’s only chapter 1, that’s completely understandable. So far, I can find no fault. I’ll have to wait for future chapters to be released before I can really figure out what’s going on. Given the nature of the story, in combination with my uncanny tendency to screw up facts, it’s likely it’ll be quite some time before I can analyze this properly. I should probably go familiarize myself with Lovecraft’s work before I slip any deeper into the chasm of ignorance.



Characters

Your characterization is good, though there are a few comments I have.

Doc: I like this character a lot. He comes across as sort of a senile, slightly-deranged type, which is evident from the narrative. I can also see him as taking the role of an unreliable narrator. There are, however, some inconsistencies that rather confuse me, but seeing how that was your intention, I’m sort of left in a pickle. I’ll bring them up anyway.

First, why doesn’t he have more comments on the terrorist attack he reads about in the newspaper? Something that occurs this infrequently would certainly stir emotions in the average individual, regardless of their sanity or ability to write coherently. Sure, he gives us five sentences on his involvement in the military as a physician, but it’s just not enough, in my opinion. The next part is what really surprises me: he reads the article, finishes his breakfast, goes outside (it was a beautiful, sunny, unremarkable day in Equestria…), and makes his way to work (I assume he’s going to work. He never really specifies, but the next scene has him in the director’s office). Okay, so wait a minute. Here were have this scientist guy: he just read a news article that not only informed him of a terrorist attack in Equestria that killed hundreds of ponies, but informs the reader such a thing hasn’t happened in thirty years. Not only that, but this character was there when that attack occurred! I’ve been lucky in life so far; I haven’t had any direct family members die, the worse injury I ever sustained was a broken arm when I was 6, and I’ve never been to war or been present during a terrorist attack. I can’t even fathom the suffering that individuals who haven’t been so lucky have had to endure. I can’t even begin to understand how they feel, and I can only postulate how they may look at the world. That being said, the Doc’s reaction to this article just seems… strange. Why is his response so, “Oh, well, that sucks. Time for work”? I realize that the intention was to make him incoherent, but this is a little much, no?

Second, I’m confused as to why he even brings up Twilight and her “magemicite” in the first place. I have a feeling she’ll be playing a large role later in this story, but the Doc’s mention of her out of nowhere just seems sort of random and out of place.

Finally, the largest inconsistency. Early in the story, in his rant with the director, the Doc took great umbrage at his assignment to evaluate the terrorist. Later on, however, he is more than eager to use this terrorist as the first test subject for his unnamed device. What, did he change his mind? With the style you’ve presented, that case is very likely, but this complete reversal in opinion really jarred the bejesus out of me. As soon as he learned of his assignment, I would have expected eagerness on his part. “The opportunity to serve justice, prevent crime, AND test my unnamed-super-awesome-magitechnical-mind-meld-device? Sign me up!” In all seriousness though, I can’t believe that in the span of all of 2 hours, this guy had a complete change of heart.


The director: Nothing much to say here. He is utterly despicable. Though I can’t help but wonder his motivations are… to show the rest of the world how great Equestria is? No, that doesn’t seem right. The director has the personality of someone who might say he cares about that, but in reality makes all his choices based solely on personal, selfish reasons--whether it be for personal gain, preservation of reputation, pride, etc… It’s almost as if he’s despicable, but not despicable enough. I mean, is he really all that interested in showcasing Equestria’s power to the rest of the world? For some reason, I can’t see him holding that view. I also think it seems rather convenient that, after his huge rant, the Doc is simply able to justify all of the director’s decisions with:

>He was a necessary evil…

Oh, well, that makes it all dandy. It’s as if you were searching for a reason the use the director’s character in the first place, but you left it up to the Doc to tell us of the director’s importance:

>Unfortunately, he was also good at managing that money. It was that reason alone that he was still the director of the institute.

Unless this character will only play the small role you’ve given to him in the first chapter, I’d look into developing another reason for his being there.


Jet and Rosie: Okay, I have serious problems with these characters. Here you have a) Jet, the jock-type, and b) Rosie, the fashionista/secretly-really-intelligent-type… Um, excuse me? You’re seriously telling me that these characters work in a psychiatric laboratory--a very professional setting--and Doc simply puts up with the nonsense? To me, that just doesn’t make very much sense at all. They seem almost cliche in their descriptions, which don’t go deep enough in the first place for me to really understand them. It’s almost like you tacked them on for the sole purpose of having Doc give his opinion about them. In the entire story so far, they do one thing: open the doors to the laboratory. Actually, scratch that. Only Jet opens the doors. I can only assume Rosie is standing in a corning filing her nails or something. Now, granted, if these characters were interns, their behavior might actually be a welcome sight. Some form of comedic relief, if you will. But as of now, I have no behavior--only description. Additionally, the reader learns that Jet and Rosie are in some form of a romantic relationship--in the workplace?! Oh boy, I can’t see this ending well.


Ferrum: The little twist you gave at the end was rather unexpected, and the chapter ends with a lot of questions that leave me ravenous for answers. There isn’t much to this character at the moment; I know he’s shy, I know he’s a rookie, I know he looks at the terrorist with fear, and I know that he’s from Salty Shores. Well, that makes for a rather interesting set of circumstances. I’ll have to wait and see how this character is further developed before I can anything with certainty. The only concern I had was his behavior with regard to his professional conduct (his holding of his weapon, etc…), but we’ve already discussed that.


The other characters, such as the Captain and the terrorist herself, serve their purposes for this chapter, and I don’t believe there is any need to rip into into them--at least not yet.



Mechanics

Hoover DAM, Garnot. I’ve never quite seen punctuation used in this way. Even though your ideas of “style” clashed with my ideas of “this is how it should be”, I actually really respect your attempt to create a unique narrative voice. It may not be technically accurate (nor aesthetically pleasing in some places, which you mentioned was another goal. I tried to point out the biggest issues) but you stray from the norm in such a way that gives the story a life of its own. An immersion factor, shall we say. As a budding writer myself, I can’t help but be awestruck at the flexibility of the English language. You see, I’ve always been one for “following the rules”--as we discussed--and I sort of get this nervous tick whenever someone tries to swerve from the path, probably because most attempts at this usually end in me rage-quitting the document. You, however, did so in a way that serves to emphasize the quirks of your main character. After you explained this to me, it all made much more sense. By all means, keep it up. It certainly is fresh. After all, you know how to break the rules much better than I do.


~Seidio




Queue status: EMPTY
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Seidio, Khakis, I appreciate the review. I’ll take your words and shape the story to use these elements. However, there are a couple of things I would like to set the record straight on.

The Doctor
The Doctor seeing the news and being ‘heh, terrorist attacks; nothing to see here” was intentional. I wanted to show that the Doctor was at that age where little really phases him. He’s seen quite a lot in his life, and while terrorist activity is uncommon, it’s not entirely unheard off. There is a very specific reason involving the previous rule in Equestria, one the Doctor more or less lived through (and fought in as well).

You are right in that I should have made more of a focus to reveal this aspect of the Doctor’s back-story. I’ll go ahead and add this to his section. He will see the news and be mostly indifferent to it. He will still comment on the tragedy of it, but in a way that makes him come out as a partial bastard. That’s because in some ways, he is a partial bastard. You’ll see that in the next chapter.

To answer your second concern; yes, Twilight will play a very large role. While not that big a role in this story per-say, she’s still part of the grander scheme. Salty Shores is part of the larger Narrative that is Equestria Noir—in some ways serving as a prequel. Her mention is actually warranted, though I could have played it better. In a nutshell, he wanted to bring to light his work is more or less ‘inferior’ compared to what young Twilight is up to. He honestly sees her work as having more potential to change the world than his own work. Granted, that isn’t entirely true, as the Doctor’s work would open many doorways—some quite unpleasant.

I’ll go ahead and write it out so the transition is (hopefully) cleaner in that regard.

Finally, to answer your final concern: Yes, the doc does change his mind in the expanse of the two hours between his chat with the Director. However, this event happens ‘off-screen’ and was meant to be shown in the later chapter. There is actually a very detail scene where the Doc considers the benefits and the pitfalls of what he plans to do. Again, his morality already being a bit skewered, he ends up taking the job with eagerness, but not before he more or less beats himself up a bit over it. This would have been further played while he used the machine in the form of ‘hallucinations’ and whatnot; images that torment him as he recalls how he reached the conclusion, and what it means for his rapidly slipping morality.

However, I do see your point. For that reasons, I’ll go ahead and add a small in-between scene where I show the Doctor battling himself over the notion of what his work will entail, convincing himself he’s doing it ‘for the good of Equestria’, and accepting the fact—even if deep down, he feels something is very wrong.

The Director
Now, this character I originally planned to use as a one-shot deal. He was to never show up after the first chapter. However, now that you brought to light the idea that his motivations should be two-fold, I see a great potential here. Still, I do want to keep him relatively minor, but I might use him towards the end.

I’ll go ahead and revise the Director’s motives to be more vague in nature. I’ll make it so the reader can interpret his motives as being both to show Equestria’s superiority to the world, as well as make money and gain as much power as possible. But again, I’ll make it so the reader has to pick which is which.

Jet and Rosie
These characters were meant to evoke a sense of anger in the reader. While it’s true I didn’t quite say they were interns, which were the idea I was going for. In truth, they the characters that more or less serve both as comedic relief (though the story doesn’t really flow with that much), as well as demonstrating a sort of ‘dichotomy’ between the Doctor and the new Generations. These two characters were to be fully used in the coming chapter, including a scene where the Doctor more or less snaps at them for ‘fooling around’. The pair being interns (unpaid at that) more or less left the door open to show that the Doctor, while a bit odd and senile, is at least nice enough to let two young students work for him and not quite care what they do, so long as they do their work. They were also to show a contrast to Ferrum, who is about their same age, but believes in wholly different values, all the while showing his shyness and inexperience. Far as their ‘romance’ goes, it’s not mentioned much—even less when things start to degenerate. Expect to see them ‘vanish’ by the end of the second chapter.

So, to correct this, I’ll go ahead and make it clearer that both Jet and Rosie are interns working for the Doc—who despite having a few screws loose, is at least kind enough to allow them to work for him. Of course, this isn’t going to end well for them. Let’s just say the Doctor has them there for a reason. After all, he isn’t going to be the first to try out a procedure that’s liable to lobotomize someone.

Ferrum
Ferrum, I’m going to play as I have it. He’s young, inexperienced, and worst of all, scared out of his mind. Here he is essentially forced to guard the one pony that was responsible for destroying his hometown, yet, he holds her no real ill will (this is explained). He doesn’t know the details as to why Salty Shores was blown up, but he can tell the filly’s not normal, nor are the reasons for acting how she did. This becomes more obvious as the story progresses, as Ferrum himself reveals that indeed, not everything was as it seemed in the town of Salty Shores, and that him leaving the town to join the Guards was his way to escape. At the same time, Ferrum also steps up to the situations presented, growing in turn. However, being part of Salty Shores, he can never fully escape the town’s sway…

I’m not going to spoil it, but let’s just say that Ferrum might be the only pony that comes out ahead in this story. That isn’t saying much, as Ferrum is left to deal with the aftermath, as well as the fact that no matter what he does, he’s still tied to the town and its deep dark secrets.

The Captain, you won’t see again. And the terrorist, well, I have something unique planned for her. She won’t actively ‘speak’ per say, but her character is made clear starting from the second chapter. Just expect to be surprised by the reveals.

That is all for now. If you allow it, I’ll see about running the fixes by you and Khakis.
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Queue's empty if anyone would like to donate a fic or two or five.

Characters: Something seemed just a smidgen off for me. Don't take that the wrong way it was all very minor and open to each persons interpretation. Twilight felt a bit off for me when she was saying things like referring to a computer as 'this baby'. I just feel shes a bit more technical than that. Big Mac also hits a point where I can't say i feel the personification is right. You got the gentle, caring parts right but I feel he'd express these through little actions like holding Rainbow when she's scared, instead of using words. Rainbow sneaking up and scaring Big Mac is also something I take issue with. It just seems to playful when the characters know there's a killer on the loose. Again minor complaints that are up to debate and the like.

Plot: Its pretty good. It's entertaining and likable. I don't have any real complaints.

Grammar and structure: Seidio left his two cents and it looks like you have a lot to work with.

Overall Impressions: Its very good. The only problems I have are minor things that my headcannon is responsible for. Grammar looked to be a ugly but Seidio is extremely good at that so don't take it the wrong way. You've done a great job and I would enjoy seeing future chapters if you so choose.
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>>118443

I'd love to donate something I have laying around ... but I don't have anything I'm not currently working on. Heh.

Anyway, take this here unfinished first chapter that I also have pending in Nixon's thread.

Seido, if you're open, I would love to have you take this one. Just to see how you review in regards to something of mine.

Consider it a test.

[Title] Requiem (Chapter Title)
[Tags] Dark
[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B6iP3UfYCl_pQ15PARGwHLnkfFG47b9XBUUecNMoIJI/edit

[Synopsis] Plagued by nightmares, Twilight sets out to seek a being that calls itself Iliad, while her friends try to deal with their exhausted, unstable friend. But as Twilight will soon realize, not every dream is just in the mind.

[Word Count] 1795 (and counting!)


Yep yeap yeap

Laters both of y'all!

-Figments
>> No. 118446
>>118443
Well, thank you for the help! A few things:

>Rainbow sneaking up and scaring Big Mac is also something I take issue with. It just seems to playful when the characters know there's a killer on the loose.

First off, "Too,", not "to." Reviewing the reviewer FTW!
I always saw Rainbow as one who would still be playful in the face of danger. Also, if you've read the previous chapters, she hasn't seen any of the darker specific details. To her, this is still a mystery, like something out of a Daring Do book. Not saying she's trivializing it, but it wouldn't hamper her spirit, I feel.

>Big Mac also hits a point where I can't say i feel the personification is right. You got the gentle, caring parts right but I feel he'd express these through little actions like holding Rainbow when she's scared, instead of using words.

Need to capitalize I. :P
Copypasta from the in-doc comment: I see your point. However, I still feel that in intimate moments like this, he would speak. Like, with everypony else, he lets his actions speak for themselves. But this is the mare he loves whom, if you read between the lines, he wants to ask a VERY important question. I think he would take the time to say what he feels. Maybe a little cheesy, but it makes for an interesting scene.

>Twilight felt a bit off for me when she was saying things like referring to a computer as 'this baby'. I just feel shes a bit more technical than that

I got nothing here. You're right, and it's been fixed. And yes, the grammar was kind of ugly, especially in that last bit. It's hard to stay gender-neutral and make grammatical sense. That's also why I still use pre-readers. Sometimes I just don't see when things are worded awkwardly.

Again, thank you SO much for the help!
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Guess what? I'm back, buckers!

Title: The RED Cataclysm
Tags: [Comedy][Crossover][Dark][Human][Romance][Tragedy]
Word Count: 5611
Synopsis: After angering a magician (again), the RED Engineer, Medic and Pyro are sent to an alternate universe (again) where they must survive among the confused and scared natives until the portal is able to return them home (again). All in all, just an average day on the job. Or it would've been, if it hadn't been for a certain cunning, manipulative and dashingly handsome god.
(A crossover with Team Fortress 2.)
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y9AJ7kJ34kvo5UlZ3o1c6GrUM25VmvV29cTEPEIUNgI/edit

Khakis, I'd like you to take a look at this for me. As per your recommendation all those many moons ago, I've swapped out the Soldier with the Engineer. (Demoman not included.) Characterization was the biggest problem back then, so I'd like you to take a look at that for me here, too.
Chapter 1, by the way, is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pTfnzFcxlPX6QnV3yjFiAm1qrJMtxqMqssfmMMxNtBo/edit
I'm not going to force you to review it, or even read it, but it might explain some things.
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>>118445

>Consider it a test.
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Hey! I thought I would throw myself into a second queue on /fic/, particularly since my original submission on the Training Grounds didn't have Googledocs links, which may be a contributing factor in not having it picked up after a week or so (hopefully its writing flaws are not the other factors).

Tags: Adventure

Synopsis: In ages past, stories of warriors traveling the land, righting wrongs, defending the weak and needy, and engaging in epic deeds and romances, inspired many, both citizen and soldier. Princess Luna should know, because she was there for almost all of them, recorded many, exaggerated a couple, and outright fabricated a few. They have fallen into obscurity during the centuries of relative peace Equestria has enjoyed, but after the invasion of the Changelings nearly killed her sister, a chance encounter on the road finally convinces Luna that those ancient tales of chivalry need to be brought back. With a mysterious companion joining her on the path, the quest begins, and for the first time in many, many years, Luna is completely unsure of the ending to her story.

Word count: About 12,000 for the parts I'd like reviewed.

Links:
Chapter 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oTdwUoyDVvDGxf1b-QsMlB8iJEKVqO1tQHfRUpa5b7Q/edit
Chapter 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RmfCRmvC7tumtqkpl4xZu1YnMvrId8Bn4NixCtKPoQU/edit
Chapter 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jzTKMcQu9eXf2HE1gQAMIlMlLoI5c30ESQmEeChJe8M/edit

I want to make it the best it can be, so suggestions both on what I should do more and what I should do less would be awesome.
>> No. 118552
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Hey you guys. I was just wondering, do you work on later chapters of stories? I mean, I'm not done with the second chapter of Black Box yet, but I'm not really good at writing and I need people with writing skills to help me out.

Anyways, I remember you guys kinda liked it at least, so if the que isn't busy, would you be interested in reviewing the next chapter? It's fine if you don't do that kind of thing, but I figured I'd at least ask.

(Also, what are your limits on gore anyways? The first chapter was purposefully written to be accessible and T-rated, but later chapters are set up to be, at minimum, bloody. I don't know if you remember the story or anything, but the pony in the vault is appearing and he's really a big NOT T-rated character element.)
>> No. 118562
Hey there, Khakis and grammar troll! (hey, those are your words...) I would like you to review my next chapter. Two reasons for this:

1. I realized that you were right. I haven't ever been to your thread before! Sorry. :)

2. I'd like someone who is at least a LITTLE familiar with my story, since this is chapter nine. Or at least has read the last chapter, as events from there tie in to this one.

Title: Under A Luminous Sky
Author: Jake The Army Guy
Tags: Dark
Word count: 6105
Synopsis: Equestria is a land of peace. Violent crime is almost nonexistent. Ponyville in particular hasn't had a single case of equicide in all its years of existence. But nothing lasts forever.

A body is discovered in the Everfree Forest. Shortly thereafter, an enigmatic stallion arrives at the local library, dispatched by Celestia herself. Faced with an obstinate police force, Twilight and this strange new pony must put the pieces together and catch a killer. But as the blood continues to spill, one thing becomes terrifyingly clear: in the dark of the Everfree, much more is at stake than mere lives.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lqlg2Gboo26HyqZzsfTa8gFf_3N9eu4h8icj00IiQWE/edit

One area I know needs work is the letter near the end. I've been working all night, and for the life of me I just can't figure out how else to say it. I'm hoping maybe you can see what I'm trying to say and give me a little advice?

Thank so much, y'all! :)
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>>118552
This should answer your question: http://www.ponychan.net/chan/?p=rules#27 Just scroll down a tiny bit. If it goes outside those guidelines, try to contact them offsite, like Fimfiction.

Hi Khakis! ^_^
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>>118567
Thanks for the link. I don't feel like my story's violent nature is distasteful or anything, but it definitely dips a bit into 'What's NOT okay.' Kind of a strict list there. There's at least going to be murder, jeez, it's a dark fic. I'm not writing cupcakes here. It's not gore for the sake of gore. I'm just trying to write a good plot that plays to my style and strengths.

Also
>Excessive saliva is not okay.
lol wut.
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>>118569
Thethe thtoopid ruleth are dithpicable!
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>>118569
I do hope I'm not taking up too much of the thread, but the rules there are not meant to be coherent, as the staff say. I might be remembering the wrong word. I've seen stories come through here that have murder in them. The line is usually drawn at how much detail you go into; as long as you don't describe the actual act of the murder, you should be fine.
>> No. 118575
>>118574
Well, in many ways, it is as long as the board doesn't really give a damn. Some stories which were quite detailed never got reported because people here didn't mind the detail because the story needed it.

Of course, random CMC rape stories don't fly here, but that's ok if you ask me.
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>>118552

Before any more posts are used discussing this: Yes, we'd be glad to take it. If you feel as though it shouldn't be posted here, just send the story info to one of our emails. We'll get to it eventually.


>>118562

Hey, Jake. Good to see you back. Just remember to drop this in the queue when you get a chance.


>>118445

Well, Figments, you haven’t given me much to work with, but I’ll see if I can offer anything of use.


Plot & Characters

First, a word of caution on your story line. I can’t very well give you my opinion on the plot, as I don’t feel it’s fully formed at this point. What I can tell you, however, is that both your synopsis and the story itself are very vague, to the point where I question the direction you plan to take this.

As we discussed in doc, this story quite literally has me asking, “Who the hay is Iliad?”

No seriously: who is he? All I know is that Twilight had a dream about his name. Vagueness can be good, but I feel as though you’re being vague to point where you’re taunting the reader, dangling the story above his head as he desperately jumps up, grasping for something he’ll never quite reach. As a reviewer, I don’t like to be taunted. As a reader, I like it even less. Cliffhanger-ed? Yes. Immersed in a world of mystery and wonder? Yes. Have my mind toyed with like a puppet? No.

Then again, this may very well be the type of story you’re trying to write. In that case, good onya. It’s still my opinion that you give the reader a little more to bite on.



Mechanics & Style

You’re pretty much solid here. Quite honestly, I’m impressed with your ability to string words together into a coherent sentence. There are a few things I found, but nothing major.

There’s one thing I do take issue with, and that’s your opening dream sequence.

By itself, there’s nothing wrong with it. It reveals character, it (I assume) reveals some nifty plot elements, and it moves the story right along. However, the transition of Twilight’s mind into consciousness is clunky at best.

You see, dream sequences are a tricky thing. I personally tend to shy away from them because I can’t do them any justice. First off, the dream has to be relevant. Well, you’ve got that covered. Second, and most important, is that the dream has to flow. It has to mesh perfectly with your story. You simply end it with:

>It jumped at her, swallowing her screams as it wrapped itself around her.

And then, quite suddenly, I’m faced with an ugly scene break that rips me from the story. You literally have a horizontal line of dashes separating the dream sequence from Twilight waking up.

My wholehearted suggestion is that you revise this. Instead of using the format: [dream sequence, SCENE BREAK, rest of the story], trying writing the dream in a way that allows it to flow seamlessly. You need to transition from the dream-state to the waking-state smoothly.

Perhaps have some description or physical stimuli in real life wake Twilight up. For example, she could fall in the dream, then jump out of bed. Or she could hear a voice in the dream, only to awake and discover the voice was Spike’s incoherent sleep-babbles, or maybe even voices coming from outside.

The most important thing is that you make it flow. It looks like you plan to echo the dream elements in the story itself or incorporate them into the narrative some other way. For this to be effective, I recommend amending the dreaming-to-waking transition.







Well, Mr. Figments, you’ve managed to keep me interested for these 1800 words. Let’s just hope you continue to do so for the next 1800, and the next, and the next.

~Seidio
>> No. 118588
>>118587
Hur-dur. Done.
>> No. 118590
>>118587

Well, Seido, it seems that you've passed with flying colors. Not that Ihad anything to do with it Who am i kidding? Of course I did! This is my test,after all . Anyway, onto the rebuttals!

>both your synopsis and the story itself are very vague

Well of course they are! This story lends itself to the great, um, damn, I forgot.

Well, anyway.

Since I neglected to mention this, allow me to do so now: this story takes place over the course of several 'episodes.' Each 'episode' is, quite literally, a story within itself. HOWEVER, each 'episode' ties in the bigger picture of these three questions:

Who is Iliad?

What does he want with Twilight?

What is Twilight's bigger role in this story, as it so alludes to intermittently?

Those three question, to me, are so big that they need to be explained in increments. Which is why at the end of every episode, both Twilight and the reader find out a little bit more about the answers.

>awkward awakening scene

Good. I made it that way, and it's staying.

No seriously, the very reason why that scene break is there is because of the very reaction you had to it. Both you as a reader and Twilight are both forcefully taken out of the dream. Why? Because Iliad doesn't want you there. Because Iliad doesn't want you to find out more.

So, inb4 rage, allow me to say this: you felt the same thing I intended for you to feel. As a writer, that is my fetish. :P

Anyway, thanks for the review. I'll check the doc later today and fix what I feel
needs to be fixed.

Cheers!

-Figments
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>>118590

>Good. I made it that way, and it's staying.
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>>118597

Heh. Sorry about that, it came off more asinine than I wanted it to (a bit more stubborn, to boot).

I liked the review, albeit for a misunderstanding of exposition and background drops which led to statements of show vs. tell which aren't really true.

I'll come back, so be ready for me
>> No. 118640
Tags: Dark

Synopsis: Everything has been taken. Your city, your citizens, even your sister are all gone. This is your nightmare Luna, let's make it theirs. Based on WanderD's Changeling Queen (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/35442/The-Changeling-Queen)

Word Count: 3570

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19MCp2AYmJpIC1cyKrMcQ8nHMov3l17Bx6QC_gkAV0NU/edit
>> No. 118813
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I don't like keeping you all in the dark so here's the truth. Seidio has personal matters to deal with til about the end of the month. He will still show up for the occasional so I'll have to take over the queue for now. You may think that's bad enough but the uppercut is still yet to come. I'm burnt out. Like really badly burnt out. I'm going to try to force myself into reviewing but as of late my contributions to the thread has been more and more lackluster and have been accredited to Seidio dragging me into the docs. I just ask you be a little more patient. I'm still trying to cure my writers block and burn out but neither are getting much better. I apologize for any inconvience.
>> No. 118814
>>118813
Dude, burn out is caused by forcing yourself to do stuff. Forcing yourself to review won't make it worse?
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>>118814
This. Take a vacation, Khakis.
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>>118813
Ah, my fic has claimed another burn-out casualty. :P

I understand though. And actually, I have snagged a reviewer on the Training Grounds, so feel free to take Night Errantry off the queue if that will make things easier on you.

Thanks for keeping us updated! Don't force it with the other fics, and take it easy.
>> No. 118885
Don't sweat it, bro. Golden Vision is taking a look at mine. Take a breather, recharge.
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>>118813
I think you of all ponies have earned a break. Heck, I've only taken a week off so far and I already feel fresh. Take a seat, put your feet up, relax. This is a "beachside" review thread is it not? Take a walk on the beach, clear your mind. Wow, I could take my own advice.
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>>118814
>>118815
>>118866
>>118885
>>118892
Okay you all win; I'll take a break. I'm not removing any fics from the queue on my accord (I feel guilty enough doing this as is) and I'll try and come back as soon as I'm feeling better. This'll at least give me the opportunity to cure my writers block. Until then I'm locking the queue.
>> No. 119175
Khakis, I'd like to request that The RED Cataclysm be removed from your queue. Tactical, of the Training Grounds, has beaten you to it. Thank you (and Seido) for your time anyway.
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I'd like to take Night Errantry off the queue as well. The googledocs links are way out of date, and I want to do some more tweaks before submitting it to review anywhere for a while.

I hope your break is going well!
>> No. 121004
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Hows everyone been doing. It has been a long time hasn't it, but the time has finally come to get back into this whole shtick again. So thank you all for your patience and the queue is reopened. As for Jake and FMP I'm planning on removing you two from the queue as I believe both of you have received help with your respective stories long before now. If you would like me to take a look at your story or have a new fic for me to look at just tell me and you'll be bumped to the top free of charge. If you're fine with my decision to remove your fics just give me a quick its cool message and I'll remove them from the queue permanently. Thank you for sticking with a total nut job for about a month. To those who are worried about Seidio he is fine but busy with work still.
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>>121004
Hmm, well you can remove worst nightmares however:

Title: A Heavy Crown

Tags: Sad, Romance, Slice of Life

Synopsis: I'll tell you a story. It's a tale about a unicorn with wings. I'll tell you about the Princess that kept her alive, the filly that taught her to care, and the stallion she loved. This is her story... it's my story.

Word Count: 3873

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L-YDdQXu-NGrZZWzXeQU3GT5MeYb3GMjghxTAcDIGmY/edit

also would you mind looking over the plot outline?

Outline Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEolagJkW5YtVT2cPfqPUukKJonr05BZ9Wi1MwXQoXU/edit

Note: Shockwave was also taking a look at this
>> No. 121015
>>121004
and the queue submission link isn't working
>> No. 121018
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>>121015
hmm so it does. Seidio was in charge of that so i'll see if he can fix it next time we talk. I've already read the story so i should still have the links anyways
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>>121018
First review in a month. Let’s hope I haven’t lost my touch as if I had one to begin with Let’s get started. Special thanks to Garnot for his help.

The first worry I have is that you changed the perspective to first person. This isn’t a problem with most stories but if you end up following the plot of your original draft you’ll have four different characters speaking in first person. This means that they don’t get developed enough to warrant the first person and makes it less a first person story and more an oddly written third person story instead. Thankfully it seems like you’ve found a setup that you can work with.

Characterization needs to be front and center with a first person story and sadly there isn’t much of that. I know that if you’re going with the old stories structure what happens to Cadence’s mom and why you may hesitate to develope her but writing a first person story demands the reader get attached to the character which is where the fic ultimately loses me. I have no sense of who Cadence’s mom is as a person. Chrysalis fairs a bit better. The fact is at the moment your fic is better in it’s third person format besides some story changes that I feel are for the positive.

Story wise I felt the fic was solid enough. I can’t reiterate how much the third person doesn’t fit with it but on a conceptual level it’s still as interesting an idea as it was before. I hope you’ll come to me so I can help you with the assistance of better reviewers in the future.

And I’m back in action. Still waiting on Jake but besides that queues empty.
>> No. 121394
>>121371
Did you mean me? Okay, I do have one you can look at!






Title: Under A Luminous Sky
Author: Jake The Army Guy
Tags: Dark, Mystery, Thriller
Word count: 6,280

Synopsis: Tragedy strikes Ponyville when a body is discovered in the Everfree Forest. As the towns ponies grieve, an enigmatic stallion arrives at he library, dispatched by Celestia herself. When more blood is spilled, Twilight and her friends, along with this strange new pony, must solve the riddle before it's too late. But as the blood continues to spill, one thing becomes terrifyingly clear: in the dark of the Everfree, much more is at stake than mere lives.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnbSv-ULBgEU7Nz3bbFRIBcp8qwLbBFhpwLHyUzO79I/


Also, if you didn't mean me, I'd still like you to take a gander! And this is in Golden Visions queue as well.
>> No. 121395
Oh, Derp. Just looked at the queue. Please review the above chapter, as the one on the queue is posted already. Thanks!
>> No. 121456
>>121371
Well, I think I fixed most of the first person stuff (I know, I just know there's a pesky verb in present tense or a damn me floating around there somewhere though).
>> No. 121575
Synopsis: Detective Conan wakes up in Ponyville, missing his main gadgets and finding that his body was turned into a foal's. Although he expects it to be a dream, he soon finds links between his real world, and the world that he now lives in. Along with solving cases from the regular to the extreme, he must figure out if the links are real, and if he can go back to the real human world. At the same time, he soon questions if he wants to, while his friends and family beg him to wake up.
Tags: Crossover, Dark, Tragedy, Adventure, Sad
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c5Fe2fB_EwfsL0xtkvMlL-7SdZrUqhHhhA3lE6_aBNo/edit
Word Count: 10248

Thank you for spending your time looking over my story. The EQD team told me that I had trouble with punctuation and Capitalization for this story, and I would like if any possible problem in the story was brought up. Let me know if there is anything that you need to know.

Once again, thank you.
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So yes. The risk. It is doubled.

It feels like it's been forever (because it has), but here's Black Box's chapter 2. All set and ready for review since you guys didn't hate the first chapter somehow, and were okay with round 2. Anyways, I had a lot of fun writing it, and I hope you guys like it.

So yeah, the link isn't setup yet, but I hope you guys will accept my humble request anyways. Thank you for your time in advance.

Title: Black Box (Chapter 2)

Name: Breath of Plagues

Tags: [dark][adventure][sad]

Word Count: 8,421 (I wrote over 12,000 words of material but trimmed it, because I know reviews can be a task if you don't like the story.)

Synopsis: Cutie Marks:Their appearance marks a very joyous occasion for the youth of Equestria, but not all cutie marks are innocent. Some unlucky foals develop much darker natured marks. These young ponies all soon disappear without a trace, never to be heard from again. They disappear to Black Box.

Links: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JP0MgxR5NQkVwhUrYDLwAqlmh7wTzzFAuYrPe7peu9s/edit

Comments/Request: Bit of a disclaimer: it does indeed have some gore. It's not brutal or anything, though.

Again, I'm trying to keep plot and character development at the forefront, but I'm also not going to pull any punches (and technically I lightened it from my original ideas to make it more accessible anyways).

I really hope that doesn't hurt your opinion of the story, because I think it's drawing out potential.
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>>121394
Jake you have astounded me. I expected the next chapter of Under a Luminous Sky but what I got was a life changing experience. I clicked on the link you the doc and was greeted with a blank page. At first I was outraged that I had been trolled so hard, but then I realized this wasn't a troll attempt but rather an examination of writing as an art form. The blank page and untitled document represents the hesitation of the writer, seeking perfection but knowing that he can't possibly succeed. I as the reviewer am to look at the blank document and point out the flaws, and the average reader looks upon it with awe. Truly you have discovered the essence of writing and to that sir I praise you. (Please give me a proper link)
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>>121655
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>>121655
I summon the powers of James Bond (in pic) and transform this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnbSv-ULBgEU7Nz3bbFRIBcp8qwLbBFhpwLHyUzO79I/


into

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnbSv-ULBgEU7Nz3bbFRIBcp8qwLbBFhpwLHyUzO79I/edit

That.

Go knock yourself out.
>> No. 121672
>>121664
What he said: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnbSv-ULBgEU7Nz3bbFRIBcp8qwLbBFhpwLHyUzO79I/edit
>>121655

Uh... YEAH! That was, um... totally what I wanted to do! A deconstruction... thingy, about the, uh... writey... s-s-stuff?
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>>121672
Let me set the record straight that being one of the lesser I'd say worst but then Garnot would reach through my computer screen and proceed to strangle mereviewers on the site means that I'm not as good at leveling criticisms against good work. So I'll lob any critiques that I can muster.

First characterization is very well done. I must ask why Bentgrass is so quick to shut down Twilight's framing idea. I get he wants the killer and all the evidence points to Zecora but that's what a person with the intent on framing someone else wants. Just something I felt was odd.

Plot: Fine

Grammar: I'm not allowed to speak on this but if I was I would have no complaints.

Anything else of note?: nope.avi

Sorry for the lateness of this review. I'd like to say I was struggling with school or something, but no. Just lazy and too busy whining about personal issues to Garnot. No I'm not discussing it on this thread. Anyways good chapter and such.
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I apologize for the wait on all the reviews. I'd like to say I've been busy but rather its just me being lazy. I've managed to churn out about one review a week (had smut to work with) but that still isn't any reason for leaving the thread in the dark. I'm sorry for any inconvenience.
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>>123147
Heh, I'd say tag me in, but I definitely lack the expertise you and Seidio have.

If it's really become a drag to do this why not just finish the que and close up shop? I'd be a little sad about it myself. I mean, I wouldn't be able to barge down here and demand reviews for my filth (that nobody in training grounds would dare to touch), but if you're not motivated, it's probably because you haven't been enjoying yourself and it's started to feel like a job.

I worked with a friend on a Podcast for 2 years and I once asked him "When exactly is it a good time to stop doing this? I don't picture us working on this forever." He kind of just smiled and said "When it stops becoming fun." Eventually it started feeling routine or was a pain so, to the dismay of our fans, we cut off broadcasting. It was a great experience, but I think once you lose your passion for doing something you love, it's not worth doing.

It's really up to you. You are the only one who knows if you're truly done here or not. Either way, don't waste your own time if it's not fulfilling anymore. Life's too short. Find what really drives you again.
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>>123254
Sorry for the wait.

Plot: The story is still very exciting to me. Its enjoyable and has its strong points (I did like the flashback however confusing the insert of God was). You voice your concern about the fic having too much action and if you are planning to take a break from the action it may be wise to separate some of the action but having a high baseline isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Characters: There is a fair bit of character development though I still don't have a solid grasp on any of them yet. Origins backstory is the high point but the end of this chapter left me with no impression of Reach as a character.

Grammar: I can't say anything on this. Unfortunately my grammar nazi is still absent.

Comments are in doc for most everything else. I still enjoyed the story and do hope you continue. I apologize again for the wait. For some strange reason having nothing to do is causing me to review less frequently. Logic in a nutshell
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>>123275

>The story is still very exciting to me.

I'm glad you liked it. It makes my day when someone enjoys my work. Fanfic writing is probably one of the harshest hobbies I've ever tried; Really humbling. I've never felt worse about myself since I started writing actually...

Anyways....

>I did like the flashback, however, confusing the insert of God was

I'm happy you liked it. I poured a lot into that scene and it ended up being the highlight of the whole chapter. PS: everyone seems to interpret the figure differently. He's definitely not supposed to be God. Honestly, he was just created out of necessity so I could explain some plot pieces, but if I had to explain him, I'd say the figure is the physical manifestation of the soul of the plane in this iteration of Equestria. Not important though.

>Characters: There is a fair bit of character development though I still don't have a solid grasp on any of them yet.

A big swing an' he only clips the ball, sending it into the foul zone! *Sigh*, what a bummer. I tried hard on characterization this time around. Maybe a suggestion on how to remedy this please? My first idea is that you haven't seen the characters act, or make choices yet; You've only seen what has happened to them. I am surprised, however, that you didn't get a feel for Reach. I thought he had a fair amount of clear characterization his short amount of time. Guess not enough... bleh.

I'm always glad I put some concerns in the doc. They always bait out the best feedback.

>Gore

Glad I'm not going into the detestable zone. I'm concerned where crossing the line is for readers. It's Grimdark, but I don't want to make it inaccessible to people. I've been writing the next chapter and Abyss 'gets to it' in full detail which I'm particularly apprehensive about. It'd be really helpful if you could give some feedback on how I should balance the things without going too far.

>Black Box is vague

This is aimed at being a 6 to 10 chapter story so I have to speed along. I'll try to fill in more detail, though.

BTW I really appreciate you doing such a good review for this story; I've got a lot to reflect on now, so that helps a lot. As for the wait, I'm not going to say there weren't times I wasn't irked, but I had to remind myself, you're doing this for the community out of charity and care. I can't say I have the right to demand anything of you. We're all people and things happen, but like I said in the post above, if you are starting to lose momentum then don't stick around just for our sake. Then again you just blasted through an 8,000 word chapter review, haha :)
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>>123278
Please tell me to hurry. Its the only thing that's going to keep me from going mweh tomorrow would be better.

Anyways to start of with characterization. I think the main issue is that actions speak louder than words and to this point no one has done anything of that is undoubtedly of their own volition so we only have words to go off of. I mean sure the guards are pissed off at Reach but they are fucking assholes and that skews things a little. I'd like to point out that these ponies are there because they are dangerous and uncontrollable so showing Reach try to dig into the guards ponies minds is a questionable action at best since I can assume that like origin he has no control over his ability.

You expressed that there was some backlash over gore and that's natural. There are always morality police who demand their entertainment be wholesome but if we listened to them we wouldn't have Macbeth to read now would we. Also soul plains omnipresent overlord=God in my book and you went out of your way to give him human characteristics. If you want to get around this maybe have origin wake up to find a filly he knew fall dead and he begins to see memories of himself in an outta body experience. just a suggestion that may remove the tellish nature of the scene
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I'm tired. As much as it sucks to admit I won't be able to maintain this thread at the moment and Seidio isn't coming back anytime soon. As uncomfortable as this is for me, I'm going to request a thread lock. I'm not going to give up on reviewing entirely and will continue to do so through private request or on TTG if I have the reviewing bug but for the time being I want to focus on being a better writer and having a dead thread on my head hurts that. Sorry for the two of you still in the queue but I wont be able to complete those reviews. Again, I am very sorry to draw this out for so long.
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>>124617

S'okay, mate. If you ever want to come back to your thread, you can always request it be unlocked.

To anyone still in Khakispony's queue, I would recommend taking your stories to the Training Grounds or another active review thread.

Anyhow, thread locked.
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