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#Reviewer
(This review thread is to replace the old one since I've picked up a new partner in crime reviewing.)

Soundslikeponies(Finn):
I've done one or two reviews on here under different aliases, but I mostly privately reviewed things upon request. I don't usually tear down writers, but if it's clear to me that what you wrote you wrote purely for the reason of screwing with your reader, I may not remain sympathetic. What I know is drama, dialogue, and how to sell your story. I can help with your word choice, syntax, and help you effectively manage your words so you don't find yourself writing long-winded explanations of something simple.

You can find me on fimfiction here: http://www.fimfiction.net/user/soundslikeponies

If your writing style is below a certain threshold, or I find your story particularly unengaging, I will give a concise review in the thread why, otherwise I will comment your gdocs, or at least comment them up until they become disengaging. Also, I don't take meta, I don't take trollfics, and I'm probably not going to like your human fics.

Garnot(Jake):
I’m somewhat of a silent veteran. I’ve been around the fandom since its inception, but didn’t become involved in the writing scene till midway through season one. Since then, I have seen and read plenty of stories to know what works and what doesn’t, so my knowledge of the written work is fairly high.

You can find my author page here: http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Garnot

You’ll find me to be a fair reviewer, one who will tell you not what you want to hear, but what you need to hear. My one goal is to see you improve. I strive to write unique stories, and as such, I also take on unique tales, tales other reviewers might not have a taste for. My forte is worldbuilding, creating engaging scenes, strong syntax, and good pacing, but I can also help you with dialogue, characterization, and making your story show, not tell. I’m familiar with just about any genre, though I tend to do best with Dark, Adventure, and Drama.

THE RULES

1) Google documents only.

2) Your google document must be viewable by those with the link, and have comments enabled.

3) We do not take uncommon formats such as poetry, scripts, or screenplay.

4) You will put your title, author name, word count, and synopsis in your post.

5) You will not receive a review without filling out the submission form.

6) If you expect us to review anything over 10k words, you better hope we like it, because we won't review it if we don't.

7) You are not allowed to resubmit the same story unless it has been drastically rewritten.


THE SUBMISSION FORM: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dF9HREp2TnZOcUdxbUJfd2hxYVJGZWc6MA#gid=0
THE QUEUE: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ass108tRNJftdF9HREp2TnZOcUdxbUJfd2hxYVJGZWc
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>> No. 110931
Hey! I know soundslikeponies already reviewed this, but would Garnot mind taking a look? You say you like dark, and hey, us Jakes have to stick together, right?


Title: Under A Luminous Sky
Author: Jake The Army Guy
Tags: Dark, Mystery, Thriller
Word count: around 8,000 between a prologue and three chapters.

Synopsis: Tragedy strikes Ponyville when a body is discovered in the Everfree Forest. As the towns ponies grieve, an enigmatic stallion arrives at he library, dispatched by Celestia herself. When more blood is spilled, Twilight and her friends, along with this strange new pony, must solve the riddle before it's too late.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PS9W39Y6e6zbVeXxAHJNrnpLV6hDfa4j39L4-pEpce0/edit

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm spamming your thread. I just happened to see it first. :)
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>>110931
Yes, us Jakes have to stick together.

Expect your review soon.
>> No. 110948
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May I suggest this for people who break the rules of REALLY bad fics?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwegwXwwHs

I also love AT more than MLP, so this is automatically my favorite thread.
>> No. 110950
First of all, I owe soundslikeponies an apology.

As everyone knows, I've been struggling with this whole writing thing since the beginning. I really don't know how much I do it to improve, versus how much I do it to be important and looked up at (popularity). I hastily jumped at the chance to have a higher foothold in the community. I would enjoy helping people, yes, but that wasn't the only reason I tried reviewing. This was wrong of me.

I decided that I just don't have time for reviewing. I need to dedicate all my efforts into improving my own writing, and then means less time in the community, sadly. I've decided to cut down almost all IRC time, which is why I didn't tell you earlier when I should have.

I hope you can forgive me. I made a hasty decision, and didn't tell you when I decided to back down, not to mention my motives weren't entirely clear. I want nothing more than to move on from this incident, and I promise not to commit to anything again without thinking it through first.
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>>110950
Reminds me of who I've tried my whole life not to be. I try to convince myself that it's all about helping everypony else, because that's what I want it to be, because I could respect myself for that, but in all honesty, I just want to be looked up to. We all do; it's part of being human. I'm not much of a writer either, and reviewing has eaten up most of my life, which is why I'm glad my thread's dying so I can cherry-pick my time tables now. You do what you gotta do man, I'll still respect you, although I in no way intend to speak for anypony else here.
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>>110948
This will be saved for those 'special' fics, the particularly bad kind. Bad Fic writers, beware.

>>110950
>>110954
While I can quite speak for SLP, I personally understand where you come from. Long ago, I too wished to be looked at with reverence; it was all that mattered. Yet, as I grew, both as a writer and as a human being, I came to the realization that before we are revered, we must pay our dues, and one of the methods for paying our dues is by aiding others improve. I myself have more or less given up any hope of ever achieving grandeur because, let's all be honest here, unless you are ready to write the next "End of Ponies/Background Pony" or "Its a Dangerous Business, Going Out Your Door", grandeur can never really be achieved.

One must take what he has, and do what he can with it. In my case, that's helping others grow, perhaps more than I could ever hope to myself.

And that brothers, is why I took this position.

BTW, Jake the Army Guy, I'm currently working on your piece. Just finished the prologue, moving on to part one.
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Ah, new thread beginnings with a friend. I'm going to relish the feeling myself if certain ponies who will not be named Hugbox will get off their lazy butts and finish a freaking review thread they're currently less then ten posts from finishing Not hating on Minjask cause he's a beast

I've just been rejected by EQD and figured that a fifth pair of eyes to behold my mediocre writing.

Title: Pop Culture
Tags: Slice of Life
Word Count: 4662
Characters: Sweetie Belle, Rarity, Sapphire Shores
Synopsis: Sapphire Shores returns to Rarity's boutique to thank her for the most comfortable, fashionable stage wear she's every had. While there, she overhears Sweetie Belle singing, and decides her voice is sensational . Logically, she offers Sweetie a recording deal. Sweetie accepts, and moves to Canterlot to learn the art of being a pop starlet, with all the ups and downs it brings.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V40ZqxDjjIrfi3hEWQuitM7jwCmtzpG2mpZexKA5ey4/edit

Comments: Ive sent this to Minjask, Hugbox, and Nicknack, and bitches still hating! So much hate I need an AK EQD respectfully declined to post it for reasons none of us caught. Here's the message.

Sapphire's dialogue and speech pattern vary wildly, and not in a way that I can find believable since the context doesn't change so dramatically to warrant it.

You've got things like doubled words, missing quotation marks, inconsistent naming schemes (she's Applebloom in one spot and Apple Bloom six grafs down?), heaps and heaps of redundancy, both in dialogue attribution verbs as well as actions, missing spaces, missing words, extra spaces, said bookism abuse, semicolon misuse... I think I'm going to go ahead and stop there.

I've looking for all of these issues and to be frank. I can't find much. One extra space that I missed is the extent of my ability. I must be turning a blind eye to all of this. I'd send this to Chocolate Milk since the problem seems to be almost exclusively grammatical, but his queue is always closed. Thanks for the help.

Note that I have submitted this to GV's queue but he's drowning in fics right now so something tells me I wouldn't be hearing back for a while.
>> No. 110962
>>110957

I see this as no reason to not try, however. I am not satisfied with who I am as a writer. I don't know why I insist on torturing myself. If I will never be a great writer, then something within me is refusing to accept this fact.

Anyways, at the risk of looking like a gigantic douche bag, I might as well drop in a fic. I just rewrote chapter one. Also, I don't plan to write anymore until I've done a TON of planning, so if you happen to have any ideas for where I could go from here, that would be greatly appreciated. Creativity is not my strong suit (which is a huge handicap as a writer, obviously).

Title: One Simple Choice (chapter one)
Synopsis: Rainbow Dash must choose between taking a weather job offer in Cloudsdale that could lead her one step closer to the Wonderbolts, or remain in Ponyville and risk letting her dreams slip away for good.
Word Count: around 6000
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n2UKX6ataP1xUiaim3yE27noL9sDYA5o3Pej409FvNQ/edit

I understand if you'd rather not review this, SLP. Heck, if neither of you want to review this with the way I acted, I completely understand.
>> No. 110965
>>110962
I'm claiming this one.
Also, I was afk when you came into IRC, but I got your apology. We can talk about it more if you drop by again when I'm not playing DotA.

I will have to say I don't agree at all with your editor's policies, but then again I've never had a problem with distractions keeping me from writing. You shouldn't completely stop reading fics, only stop reading the bad ones, and I don't think you should completely ditch the IRC, just learn to manage your time better.

Basically I don't think you need to be held on a short leash to improve.

Anyway, I'll try to get to this tomorrow.
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>>110958
So many other reviewers, including Nick (whom I've worked with on countless occasions).

Yeah, I'm taking this one. Expect it soon as finish with Jake the Army Guy's review.
>> No. 110969
Review threads. Review threads everywhere.

I'm seriously gonna make use of like, all of these when I get around to writing a full story.
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>>111030
Sorry, but a french Blog about sunglasses isn't going to make me laugh. Much.
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>>110931
Will not post link because you've likely seen my work already. This post is a formality.

PROLOGUE
Overall, a good start, but one that is bogged down by certain elements, including the use of unnecessary pauses (which I’ve pointed out in the document) as well as cases of too much telling and not enough showing (granted, they aren’t that serious and will require only some minor tweaking, which I’ve pointed out in the doc). The plot, as far as I can tell, is focused into three distinct portions
-The Bar
-The Forest
-The Chase
The bar scene feels lively enough, yet lacks that extra substance that would elevate it to state of further liveliness. One possible way is to give your other characters a bit more dialogue, which in turn can be used to flesh your world out, because that appears to be one of the missing part of this story; it’s not clear in what kind of world your story is taking place. Some hints early on would go a long way. Yes, I do realize a karaoke machine gets mentioned, but other than that, the only other real indication this isn’t your average Equestria is Berry’s mention of an apartment. Adding further exposition (using a method of showing, not telling) would really aid this story create a world the reader can really grow attached to. Do not save it for later; this is the prologue; this is where you must pain the world, using later chapters to expand on it.
The forest scene I found a tad slow-moving at first, but that works to its favor, especially since it’s meant to stir suspense in the reader. The following chase scene I found to have been done well, though a few more details could have been used to spice up the narration. I believe my notes will address that.

The rest of my nitpicks and concerns are all in the notes, though here are few of the things I did find very odd.

Some concerns about the Prologue
“Berry Punch took a large swig from her mug, gulping down the fiery liquid with gusto”
-I’ve already stated in the Doc notes how you’re crossing into the ‘telling’ rather than ‘showing’ territory. You begin well enough; Berry takes a swig, yes, that’s expected. However, you then move on to telling territory by first stating she took said swig from her mug, which should at that point be self explanatory. The statement gets worse when you then state she ‘gulped’ down her liquor. When you stated that she took a ‘swig’ you instantly announced to the world that Berry Punch had consumed her liquor; stating that she gulped it down is not only telling of a subject that is already established (and obvious) but it also makes the sentence come off as redundant. See notes for a possible fix.

“Going home to her lonely apartment wouldn’t have been a fitting close to such a fun evening”
-Again, I’ve made a note of this in your Doc, but I wish to go a bit more in depth into this.
The story takes place in Ponyville, there is no doubt about it, but already, a bar (complete with bouncer) is mentioned, and then Berry drops the fact that she lives in an apartment. This instantly makes me think of a city, not the rustic Ponyville seen in the show. While I do realize it’s the very intro, it wouldn’t hurt to drop some info on just what kind of world this story takes place. The info can be small hints that play off the story further. A thought I believe would help your story world further come to life.

The chapter’s villain wielding a knife
-As stated in the doc, I’m intrigued as to how you would have your equine villain hold a knife in his hooves, especially since a hilt got mentioned. Is it part of some intricate mechanism that holds the blade in place ala assassin’s creed? Is it literally taped to the hoof? Does the equine posses latent psychic powers that allows him to wield the blade in such a manner? All of these questions and more are important, and I hope they get answered, that way, the world you are building up will be lively and credible.

Other than that, everything else appears to be in order. Refer to my notes for further information.

Final score for this chapter: 8.5/10

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CHAPTER ONE
I’ve got no real ‘notes’ of interest for the first chapter, so I’ll just roll with what I found agreeable/disagreeable.

For starters, it was a good chapter, building up the events of the prologue yet not quite giving the answers needed. However, while the chapter in itself is good, the pacing felt slow at times. A good example would be during the bit with the playing fillies. The section focuses more on the dialogue than it does about the scenery, which leaves a lot to be desired. The suspense that was being built up prior to that moment is lost suddenly, and is only regained later when Hickey ventures into the forest. Yet, not enough emphasis is placed on building the ominous scenery to come, showing (or more accurately, letting the reader imagine) the subsequent revelation.

The next portion that I believe could use work is Twilight’s trip into the forest and her subsequent finding of the body. The scene could use more suspense, more building up to the final revelation. You have to build a sense of dread, make the reader feel what Twilight’s no doubt feeling, and to achieve that, you need to use a few extra descriptors to enhance the scenery so it uses every detail presented to further convey the gravity of the scene. My notes in the doc have more details on the matter.

The final piece I wish to discuss for this chapter is the dialogue. While not bad by any stretch, it isn’t memorable either. Some of the lines feel a tad forced, particularly Dash’s. This is because as she spoke, I kept remembering that she’s supposed to be ill, yet she didn’t quite sound that way. See if you can find a way to make the dialogue come off a bit more naturally.

That covers my review of the First Chapter. The rest of my thoughts are in the notes.

Final score for this chapter: 8.5/10

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[/b]Chapter Two[/b]
This chapter’s flow was rather well done, though it did tend to drag just a bit in certain places, like Celestia’s trip to the R.I.S office. Some sentences here also causing stumbling, as well as a few odd word choices here and there. Regardless, I thought he dialogue was done well, and the story moved along at a pace that was tolerable, but again, some parts dragged.
My main complaint for this chapter comes down to Top and Celestia’s relationship. It is implied that the two have history together, though how much is left vague, a good choice for now, but said information must be eventually revealed. That’s where my concern comes in. If Top and Celestia are as amicable as they appear, then their history best be one that is engaging, otherwise it will be yet another case of a princess and her close aide, a story that has been seen so much by now that it is utterly cliché.
My next gripe comes from the actual interaction between Top and Celestia. They seem to behave more like buddies than Princess and military/police servant. I especially point towards the part where Top literally shuts the princess up by raising his hoof. Even if the two were very close at one point (and I mean VERY close, like royalty and her suitor) Top Notch SHOULD’T be able to just do the motion without the princess at least acknowledging the act mentally. If this was the case, it would be passable, but still a rather awkward situation.

Some concerns about Chapter Two
Intro message: “the Evil that Men Do”
This title not only shares little with the presented chapter (misdirection) but it also presents a human term that, if taken for what it is, does not fit into the overall narration in any way; doesn’t even fit into the world UNLESS you plan to introduce humans in some way, shape, or form. Personally, I could give a rat ass if humans are present in the story, but I know many other reviewers do not like such things (one of the ways this fandom is so limiting really). Either change the title to something more ‘ponified’ or choose a different title that conveys the chapter’s contents.

Twilight, her dear Twilight, sat motionless on a large chair, a long-since cooled cup of tea sitting forgotten on a table next to her. Rainbow Dash flew lazy circles above them, her usual speed and enthusiasm gone, but not her restlessness. Fluttershy sat in a chair next to Twilight, holding her hoof tightly. Applejack stood next to a very worried looking Spike, quietly trying to explain what had happened. Even Pinkie Pie, whom Celestia had never seen without a smile, sat motionless next to Twilight, her normally bright eyes red and puffy.
This entire section could use further expanding of the emotions and physical signs of the mane six. Subtle physical demonstrations, more facial descriptions, and focus on a less ‘dramatic’ scene. You don’t have to have Twilight break into tears to demonstrate a traumatic scene, that just makes it come off as overtly dramatic, which in turn makes Twilight seem weak. Twilight, who more or less has faced several events that would have made lesser men piss their pants in fear, and who’s undoubtedly gazed into the pits of Tartarus when she escorted Cerberus back to his home.

Celestia strode down the hallway, her golden hoof boots
I’ve already stated this in the notes, but Hoof boots just doesn’t fit Celestia one bit. They sound far too masculine. If you must use something more ‘feminine’ I suggest ‘slippers’ or ‘horseshoes’.

The rest are in my notes. There are several issues, a lot of which arise from jarring pauses, missing words, or silly situations.

Final verdict for chapter: 7.5/10

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CHAPTER THREE

Alright, the final chapter of the story told so far. Honestly, this might be your best chapter yet, though I did find a few glaring errors (some of which Golden Vision had already pointed out). There isn’t much I can say in this review that isn’t the notes; so instead, I’ll just sing a few praises.

To begin, I find the dialogue in this chapter to be Very well done, albeit with a few errors here and there, more of which are minor and easily repairable. The pacing goes well, and the scenery is given enough detail to be engaging, though just a bit more description would be welcome. Twilight and Spike’s interactions is written well enough, though Spike sounds just a bit off, which I of course attribute to his age, which is implied to be adolescence. Twilight herself is very believable in this chapter; how she should have acted in the second chapter.
Finally, the character of Agent Bentgrass was quite entertaining, and introduced quite well. His eyes are a bit jarring, but I’m sure you’ll give a reason later in the story; otherwise, I’ll dog you (in the most gentle of ways) for one.

Honestly, other than my notes, I’ve got nothing else to say here. The last two pages had no errors that my eyes could catch. I could nitpick, but that would just be overzealousness.

However, if you wish it, I could do it. My job’s to see you improve. Tough love’s my game, and I play it very, very well.

Final verdict for Chapter: 9/10
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Heh, been a while since I've worked on this one. It's probably weaksauce, but that's why I'm here!

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IAOxnS-4Q1xrU2CzjVLd13UEr-qZ3QWH1fbkFQXjc9k/edit

Title: Breaking the Chains

Author: I_Post_Ponies

Word Count: 13000 (but I'm only requesting a review on chapters 2 and 3, which are 8800 together)

Synopsis: Discord left a surprise behind before being turned to stone, a backup spell that has sent chaos all across Equestria. Every pony is suddenly given a mysterious power; an 'Icon', or magical object tied to the pony who wields it. While most ponies have no interest in using this new power to gain more, some out there are...

To quell the unrest, Celestia sends a trio of ponies: an eccentric unicorn, an apple farmer, and a janitor who wants nothing more than to be left to his own devices. This mix-matched group soon discovers these dissenters are no mere troublemakers... they aim to release Discord himself.

Comments: Chapter 1 has been reviewed twice, so I don't think it really needs much (if anything). If you see anything glaring in it, you can tell me, but I'm not really expecting any sort of review on it. I would only recommend you read it for context on Chapters 2 and 3.

My main concern is if my writing style has changed drastically from chapter 2 to 3. I wrote 1 and 2 about three months ago then dropped the fic to work on something else. I also try to get away with some little things (like weak excuses for my characters to take an action) without even realizing it. I also have a tendency to write a lot of dialogue and not enough action or exposition.
>> No. 111110
>>111041
Well, almost done with "Pop Culture"; just going to give it a second run through in the morning. If my partner hasn't claimed this tale by tomorrow night, then I'll do so, so don't worry about a thing.
>> No. 111221
Would you please review my work? I just sent in the submission.
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So I'd just like to thank Soundslikeponies for the review last thread, and I just had a few comments. Hope you don't mind.

So wow... you really slammed my story. I really appreciate that though. Nothing was really undeserved or unfair, and you gave advise on how to solve it's problems. It's all going to help me improve.

>Your synopsis is currently gigantic and hammy. I'd recommend rewriting it.

I hate it too actually. It was thrown together and my friends advised me not to obsess and waste time over it. I could head to the synopsis thread for help.

>Stilted writing
solid advice. I think I can chalk this up to just being a weak and inexperienced writer. It's nothing I didn't really see beforehand either. You specifically pointed out that the main character talks to himself too much. This was my attempt at breaking up the repetitive structure with dialogue.Either way, I've yet to really develop a good style. Your advice on splicing narrative observation with actions is really good though. Definitely going to work on that.

>Eccentric Narration

So I tried this little rewrite:

“Yes my dear sister,” Celestia replied, doing her best to keep calm, “I’ve never felt anything like it. It’s like-”

Celestia was abruptly cut off by a blisteringly loud sound resembling high caliber cannon.

I found it sounded a lot better. Less like a children's book I guess. It has a more serious feel, and it still achieves what I want.

>LUS
I don't really know what to think. I've had English professionals specifically tell me to always use pronouns over she or he. The name is fine, but when I use Twilight as the subject for three straight sentences I'm going to have to either say her name 3 times (bad), say 'she' (ill-advised), or LUS. I do think it's in poor taste though, if not only because it's a cliche (can't tell you how many times I've seen cyan pegasus).

>The second your story has him meet the main cast, your story goes downhill a bit. Their interactions practically bleed wishful writing.

So this is very interesting right here. I'm kind of ashamed to admit this but those scenes were a big fat sellout move. Trust me, that is not my fantasy. I don't like of this kind of stuff. I really hate it.

To be fair though, I did have a HiE phase in which I enjoyed this kind of fantasy writing when I first started reading pony fanfiction. As you probably know, these HiE's all pretty much ooze this nonsense. (I've seriously yet to find one without a shipping fantasy). This lead me to believe that this is where the appeal in the genre lies for most people. I thought it might be necessary to add those scenes to interest readers of HiE, and when I pitched the idea around to friends or pre-readers I got a ton of encouragement. Even when I'd get them to take a look, I'd ask: You sure this isn't too much? Don't you think it's kinda like a pathetic fantasy? The answer was always no. In fact a lot of people who like my story say these ecchi bits are the best parts. That's why it's so prominent. I didn't want to write the next scene with Rarity like that, but people asked for it. When I delivered it, I was given positive feedback. On fimfiction, I was even asked when I would write the next one. So I was under the impression that my story needed it.

My conclusion is that these ecchi/personal fantasy scenes are just a matter of taste. It's just the difference in taste is like the difference in candy(ecchi fantasy's) and a steak (the plot). Both are good and have their place, but there is a difference in sustenance that veterans are sensitive to. I can't please everyone, but if there are people who can appreciate a story for the plot elements I'd be eager to throw those scenes out the window.

>Your story was interesting (although the narrative suffered) up until the human's interactions with the main 6.

I'm motivated to do a rewrite instead of scrapping it altogether. I feel there are good plot elements and ideas here. It's just that my writing strength isn't up to par yet, and I can't really do it justice. I think I'm going to read around to see how good author's write. I'm also think about working on smaller, simpler one shots for practice.

Do you have any specific recommendations on where to read something that achieves the feel I'm trying to get? I'm looking to write compelling plot, and action rather than comedy or *shudder* shipping...

Thanks again for your time in reviewing this. I'd rather receive brutal criticism like this so I can improve. I think it's better to really make something meaningful than run away from the truth to be a legend in my own mind.
>> No. 111252
>>111035
Wow, thanks for the in depth!

Though, for some reason, I find a lot of your advice... vague, I guess. You tell me to develop the scene better, and I can see that you're right, but I can't think of how.

Example: He smiled

Another case of telling, not showing, though a minor one. Consider re-wording to something more active.

Consider: Hickery attempted a grin in the hopes of escaping his fate.


Wouldn't that be telling? I thought the smile and his words would make it clear, without telling, that he wanted to get out of it.

as well as numerous rounds of hard cider.

This sentence appears to end rather abruptly. It begins by making a statement, one that seems to follow from the previous one, yet it appears to fall short altogether. Numerous rounds of hard cider for what exactly? Are these rounds free? are they bought by the other patrons? There needs to be some sort of conclusion here.

A good example would be: "as well as numerous rounds of FREE hard cider" or "as well as numerous rounds of COMPLEMENTARY hard cider."

It brings the statement to a satisfactory close.


This, I just don't understand. Can you clarify? Numerous rounds of hard cider, that's what they shared together. What more needs to be said?

So instead she stumbled through the quiet streets of Ponyville, rambling and enjoying the bright moonlight, gazing up at the stars

This location would be absolutely perfect to build up the kind of world you want to portray. Use exposition, just remember to make it more of a showing experience than a telling one.


Again, writer's block is kicking my ass. It's not some alternate Ponyville, it's the one we know and love from the show. NOT asking you to write the damn story for me, but maybe a few examples that you would use? Just to give me a jumping off point.

The bushes that covered the forest floor rustled with life. Glowing eyes of unknown animals peered at her as she stumbled through their home.

Would this work instead? The bushes that covered the forest floor rustled with life; glowing eyes of unknown animals peered at her as she stumbled through their home.
Semicolons make me nervous for some reason. I see them done wrong so much.

And one last thing. You mentioned your issue with a pony using a knife. I rewrote it to where the hilt of the blade has a ring on it that fits around the hoof. Is that satisfactory?

Again, thanks for the help!
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Review has been completed. Since you and I have already discussed this extensively over the docs, I posting a review would be rather moot. Just know your story was enjoyable, and I’ve pointed out all errors I could (and there were a substantial amount). But, I’m confident you’ll find my suggestions (which are that, suggestions) helpful.

Final Chapter Score: 9/10
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>>111252
First off, I would like to say your tale was enjoyable to read. Next I guess I should apologize for my sometimes vague advice. I’m more accustomed to being a tad more, direct, when it comes to reviews. My vagueness comes from the fact that I sometimes have to find ways to restrain advice that—in my mind at least—would appear beneficial but may actually be anything but.

Well, I guess I should address some of your concerns.

>I find a lot of your advice... vague, I guess. You tell me to develop the scene better, and I can see that you're right, but I can't think of how.

Example: He smiled


Another case of telling, not showing, though a minor one. Consider re-wording to something more active.

Consider: Hickery attempted a grin in the hopes of escaping his fate.

Wouldn't that be telling? I thought the smile and his words would make it clear, without telling, that he wanted to get out of it.


Keep in mind that my advice is just that, advice. My suggestion here was to make the description more active, as the original form seemed to dull the scene, which itself would not fit considering you were dealing with Foals. It was for that reasons I made that suggestions. By all means, you are free to use it, but I would strongly encourage you find your own way. I’m only here to light the road, not lead you down said road.

>as well as numerous rounds of hard cider.

This sentence appears to end rather abruptly. It begins by making a statement, one that seems to follow from the previous one, yet it appears to fall short altogether. Numerous rounds of hard cider for what exactly? Are these rounds free? are they bought by the other patrons? There needs to be some sort of conclusion here.

A good example would be: "as well as numerous rounds of FREE hard cider" or "as well as numerous rounds of COMPLEMENTARY hard cider."

It brings the statement to a satisfactory close.

This, I just don't understand. Can you clarify? Numerous rounds of hard cider, that's what they shared together. What more needs to be said?


For this statement, I suggested you add a bit more description to the scene as I felt that merely stating they all shared a round of cider to not be enough to really nail the mood of the scene. By adding the terms FREE or COMPLEMENTARY you would be showing quite a lot with a single descriptor: that the bartender was generous, that Berry was like enough to receive free booze, that the bar stuck close together, sharing the drinks as one tight-knight family, which in turn would make Berry’s death the more heart wrenching in retrospect, because she would have had ponies who cared for her quite deeply.

Again, merely a suggestion, which you are free to heed or outright ignore.


>So instead she stumbled through the quiet streets of Ponyville, rambling and enjoying the bright moonlight, gazing up at the stars

This location would be absolutely perfect to build up the kind of world you want to portray. Use exposition, just remember to make it more of a showing experience than a telling one.

Again, writer's block is kicking my ass. It's not some alternate Ponyville, it's the one we know and love from the show. NOT asking you to write the damn story for me, but maybe a few examples that you would use? Just to give me a jumping off point.


Heh, this is just me being nitpicky about worldbuilding, which I consider to be my area of expertise. While you are right, I’m not supposed to build your world for you; I feel it necessary to aid anyone down the path of worldbuilding. I do apologize I did not provide more help in the Docs, but I wanted to allow you to dazzle, to write something that you and you alone made. However, I do understand where you are coming from, so I’ll make a few suggestions, which again, you are free to heed or outright ignore.

First off, it wouldn’t hurt to establish your world as not being significantly different. Since we are dealing with fiction, you will still need to describe, but always do so by showing, not telling. Use character dialogue and physical descriptions whenever possible, just be wary that descriptions do not drone on and become either dull or redundant. A good example that I can think off the top of my head is having berry mentally monologue about Ponyville from the point of view of drunken mare. Naturally, she’ll be impaired, but said impairment can be used to bring up matter that normally wouldn’t fly if character was sober. I know some people (myself included) that tend to drone off about things when slightly buzzed.


>The bushes that covered the forest floor rustled with life. Glowing eyes of unknown animals peered at her as she stumbled through their home.

Would this work instead?

The bushes that covered the forest floor rustled with life; glowing eyes of unknown animals peered at her as she stumbled through their home.

Semicolons make me nervous for some reason. I see them done wrong so much.


Your fix is correct, allows the flow of the narrative to continue, and the pauses help to increase the suspense the scene is meant to build up. Pauses are quite often what builds up dread in scary scenes.

As for semicolons, I’ll also admit I fear them somewhat. Just know that they are meant to splice together two sentences that are similar enough into one flowing thought, the semicolon being but short pause. Think of it as a toll bridge; you have to stop and ‘pay’ before moving on, but it is but a short pause. That’s a semicolon in a nutshell.

>And one last thing. You mentioned your issue with a pony using a knife. I rewrote it to where the hilt of the blade has a ring on it that fits around the hoof. Is that satisfactory?

This is quite the excellent fix. Simple yet very effective.

Hope I’ve been able to answers your concerns. If you got more, by all means do not hesitate to let me know. Looking forward to later chapters.

-E.D. “Garnot”
>> No. 111337
Evening. I recently submitted this to EqD. The pre-reader said it looked like it was close, but listed several reasons why it didn't make it. I'll give you that information after the story info.

Derpy's Device
LunarShadow
3546 words

Derpy has spent the last few weeks holed up in the library's basement with permission from Twilight. The only problem is, Twilight wants to know what Derpy is doing and she isn't telling. So, the only logical course of action is for Twilight to find out on her own

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E_a-YdxEH4jc-F-8rua7GnpyLdvpm3z6jgEArSuNoxs/edit

Here's what the pre-reader said:

Unfortunately, we cannot accept it at this time due to the following (and possibly more) reasons:

1) Punctuation/capitalization issues after dialogue. It'd read a lot better if you put a comma after 'ponies' and lower-cased the 'her'.
“Attention, all ponies.” Her spell-amplified voice echoed around the room.
2) Inconsistent formatting. You're varying the initial spacing of your paragraphs. I've checked, and it's not an artifact of FIMF... you ought to sort that out.
3) OOC: Twilight. Would she really rip into Derpy like that? I'd have suspected she'd be genuinely confused but curious. She's all about sharing knowledge; why would she be mean to Derpy for making something... even if she couldn't understand what it was.
4) OOC: Derpy. With the -PRINCESS- in the room, would Derpy really shove Twilight?

Not bad, really. A cute little story but one that needs an editing pass.

Enjoy the story.
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>>111337
Added. Claiming this story for review. I will begin right away.
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>>110962
Comments in the Gdoc.

The story was good, but it noticeably suffered in one particular area, and I'm going to get that out of the way immediately before moving onto the small stuff.

"Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages."
- Kurt Vonnegut's 8 rules of writing

Your story suffers from scenes which dawdle and large sections of small talk that don't advance anything, nor serve any real purpose other than very minor characterization.

"But what about pacing? You don't want to rush things!"

That's just the thing, in good writing things are rushed, but they don't feel rushed. Ultimately your goal is to tell your story in as few words as possible without detracting from the experience or the story.

Look back after writing a section of dialogue and ask yourself two things:
A) Does this move the story forward?
B) Is there essential characterization in here?

If you couldn't answer 'yes' to either of those, delete that dialogue. The same two questions hold true for non dialogue, but narration is naturally boring most of the time, so it gets away with it better.

The small stuff:
sugar coated telling

>A swooshing shadow of despair descended upon Rainbow Dash.

The second was several one liners such as the above the above is a humorous one, and is not actually in the story which are roundabout telling. What do you get when you take away the purple in the above line?

>Rainbow Dash was sad.

The rest is just metaphor and purple, so none of it's real. The only real thing in that sentence is "Rainbow Dash is sad" which is telling.

Pleonasms
There were quite a few of these in your writing, most of which I'd imagine I didn't catch. I'd recommend looking at a few pages about pleonasms to better understand what they are, and how to avoid them (there's literally millions of them). I have a book with a handy list of common ones, but I currently can't find it. I'll see if later tonight I can find it and post a list of what to look out for.

the plot
I don't have too many complaints here. The plot flowed in a logical fashion, but the beginning was only mildly engaging, due to it being several pages of reflection and brooding (which for future reference, isn't all that great a way to start a story). Still, that being said, it did it well enough that I don't think you should rework the story's beginning.

speech-isms
Some people say "I mean, like," some people use long droning phrases like "if there ever is such a time when" and in this regard Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy are practically polar opposites, yet you have their speech-isms overlap noticeably.

The most noticeable one though was Fluttershy not sounding like Fluttershy. I'd recommend going back over her lines and reading them in her voice to see if they fit.

Overall thoughts
The story is good, but it has some trouble with getting its foot out the door due to a lack of movement. Practically everything in the first chapter only serves to establish things. Establishing things is good, but you shouldn't freeze the advancement of the story to do so.

>Dash already has the letter and is looking over it in the beginning.

Rather than the letter being an event, you simply establish it as being there already.

>Dash visits Fluttershy for 9 pages. Dash agrees to go with Fluttershy and Rarity to the spa on another day.

So there's sort of some advancement in there, except it's more like it's being delayed. Otherwise this scene establishes how they've drifted apart over the years.

So in the first chapter this story doesn't really... move anywhere. It just brings you up to speed, as it were. I'd have to say that's where the lack of 'an engaging feeling' comes from. As for how to change that, you'd have to create something happening in the first chapter, which I'll leave to you to decide whether you want to do that or not. (It doesn't feel entirely necessary.)
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>>111236
Reading HiE to me, is sort of like this gif.

>This lead me to believe that this is where the appeal in the genre lies for most people.
I don't delve much into HiE, scenes like that are a huge turn off for me. But if you get feedback from people who do like the genre, and they say it's their favorite part, I would recommend keeping it in. So long as you have a reader in mind while you're writing, and not yourself, I see no problem with including scenes like that if it's what the reader wants.

You can't ignore your audience, after all.

>Do you have any specific recommendations on where to read something that achieves the feel I'm trying to get?

Although again, I was turned off by the HiE tropes in it, Through the Eyes of Another Pony by CardsLafter seems right up the alley of what you're looking for.

>*shudder* shipping...
y-yeah *nervous laughter* those guys...
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I got this little thing right here that could use a look over. It's posted in Golden Visions queue, but another pair of eyes can't hurt. (Also not a self insert. Name of charecter conceived before coming to ponychan and making it my moniker.)

Anyway, Even a quick look over would be good.

Title: Scribes are Weird. (Pending Title. I'm not quite sure what else to call it.)

Tags: Adventure, Slice of Life.

Word Count:7237

Synopsis:Ghostwriter is Celestia's personal scribe, a humble position he loves, but has gripes about. Ponies may respect his position, but not him personally and he's sick of it. When Celestia sends him to Ponyville to interview the Elements of Harmony’s wielders, Ghost just hopes it’s better than that ‘City of Fakers’. But between explosions, pirates, and rock farms, Ghost will find himself on more oddball adventures than he can count.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YdbTwDIFhE4FJxe3qnXVe5-3M-2V6F-C4wbqnwbroTA/edit

Happy (I hope...) reading!
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>>111041
I reviewed chapter 1 because I saw glaring things in it.

We'll start with the biggest issue:
Dialogue & Cliches
Your dialogue didn't flow in logical order most of the time. People didn't treat the Princesses like they were princesses, and the Princesses didn't act like they were princesses quite a lot of the time (no, I'm not talking about the beginning scene, simply how they address ponies and carry themselves). Ponies didn't speak as a pony in their position would. The janitor didn't talk to Princess Celestia like she was the Princess, and the doctor didn't talk to the janitor like he was a janitor.

On top of that you had characters act in ways that made little to no sense. Their actions weren't logical, and their characterization was all over the place. The main thing is that they have thoughts/dialogue that are made painfully obvious that their sole purpose is to fill the reader in. These line drops from the characters, meant to fill in the reader, kill the believability of your dialogue.

That, and the cliches/hammyness.
>Dear heavens, what have I done?
>No... you’re sealed away!
>Alas, I was unable to leave behind enough power to free myself if, by some impossible chance, you were able to defeat me.
>If left unchecked, the chaos will free me again.
God dammit discord, you need to stop telling ponies how to stop you. It's bad policy.

Punctuation
Ellipses do not go in narration. Neither do question marks, nor exclamation marks.
And then there are semicolons.
>Ctrl F ";"
results in 11 semicolons in chapter 1, 9 in chapter 2, and 13 in chapter 3 for a grand total of 33 semi colons in just under 9,000 words (roughly 3 per page). This is a punctuation that should be used sparingly, not flaringly.

Although it's more formatting, I'm also going to throw it in here. In a few places in your story where you had a character talk a lot in a single dialogue bubble, you would end the dialogue with no closing quotation, start a new paragraph with inconsistent paragraph spacing, and continue the dialogue.

"Example example example example.
"Example example."

Stilted writing
This was mostly noticeable in chapter one.

>She walked to the park, picking up a few apples from the market along the way. After feeding the geese in the park pond, she headed back home. As she arrived home, she looked up and down her modest, straw-thatch-roofed home with a sigh. She opened her door and walked inside.

The sentence structure varies, but the above is still stilted writing, why?
>Every sentence has 'she verbed'
And that is what you need to keep an eye out for in your writing. I marked down a few paragraphs where the writing is stilted to get you going, the problem fades a bit in the later chapters, but still shows up from time to time.

All in all, your dialogue needs some serious work. I felt distanced from the story due to a lack of suspension of my disbelief.

Try to work on your interactions, and keep writing,
Soundslikeponies
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>>111390
>stilted writing
I have this little voice inside my head that says, 'hey, there, IPP, you think maybe your sentence structure is a little to robotic here?' and I say, 'nahhhh, I can totally get away with that.' Then my reviewers tell me, 'wtf are you doing here?' Every time.

I understand that you cut the review short, you had good reason. I was just wondering if you could do me one little favor. See, chapters 1 and 2 were written a long time ago. My style has likely changed at least a little bit since then. Could you read just one scene from chapter 3 and say either, "Your character interactions are better/the same/worse"?

Also, concerning dialogue that's split up into paragraphs: I was under the assumption that it's a rule of writing to exclude the closing quotation mark from the end of a paragraph if the same character is still talking. In Ezn's guide, under Dialogue - Punctuation - Misc (http://derpy.me/EznGuide)

Thanks for the review, I'll get back to editing.
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>>111221
Was about to give this story a review (I need a break from "Derpy's Device") but your Doc is locked.

If you want a review, you're going to have to allow commenting rights and full access. It is next int he list, so the sooner you can do it, the better.
>> No. 111403
>>111393
The example in Ezn's guide is poetry, which is the sort of thing you would do that for.

Also, Ezn's guide uses consistent paragraph spacing for it. If you were to write a multiparagraph dialogue (which would be in the even of reading a letter, or a long riddle out loud) you would use full paragraph spacing to do so (in your case, enter + tab, whereas you are doing just tab).
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to refute this point. Ezn uses poetry in the example, yes, but he does not state it is for poetry only.

I googled the rules, and found many sites that agreed with me on this, but they were all forums and blogs which don't prove the most sturdy evidence for an argument. The closest I could get is Wikipedia, which states:

>Quotation marks are used for multiple-paragraph quotations in some cases, especially in narratives. The convention in English is to give opening quotation marks to the first and each subsequent paragraph, using closing quotation marks only for the final paragraph of the quotation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks

I do agree I need to add another line between my paragraphs. It was just a quirk of mine to only hit enter once, since I thought it was less confusing, but it's not the standard way of spacing such quotes. Leaving the quotation mark off of the end of the paragraph is supposed to tell the reader that speakers have not changed.
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Okay... my turn. Perhaps I just marked it wrong. Perhaps something screwed up in transition. Perhaps, perhaps. I must say that I'm going to have to disagree with you that it needs a heavy re-write. If it were as bad as you claim, the 2 other reviewers, one of which I am confident is on your level if not better than you would have suggested the same as you. Yet, they didn't.

> That isn’t to say you DON’T need punctuation; your punctuations…*grinds teeth*…you need to work on it.
It couldn't have been that bad, could it? One, I know I'm not the best at punctuation, but I certainly know I'm not as bad as you make out. It helps that I use the autoreviewer for punctuation as well.

> your Derpy character goes against canon with such a passion that it almost feels like a completely different character.
Again, I didn't think I had written her as pisspoor as you suggest. I already see parts that I may be able to improve on to bring Derpy to "your acceptable level". However, I was going for the fanon Derpy which is that there's an intelligence beneath that klutziness. I'm not going to lose that. No way. I can add some "comedy mess" to make it closer to the Derpy you want, but I'm not changing her. The story loses a lot if I have if I try this with below average Derpy. I do believe I gave her ample reason to be intelligent.

> Your Derpy would be passable if this was an alternate universe
My Derpy is passable because I give her reason to be. Perhaps I didn't stress why she's more intelligent than fanonly depicted. I can work on that.

> Heck, you don’t even make mention of her eyes being either normal or wall-eyed.
Because it held no plot significance. And the audience already knows what she looks like. Unless I had a reason to make the audience see a straight-eyed Derpy, I don't need to mention it. They'll see her the way I want them to see her anyways.

> The Derpy presented in the dream sequences is just wrong in every way, taunting Twilight in a matter that the normal Derpy would never do.
Umm... dream logic? It's a dream. Things don't need to exactly make sense. I mean, if things were really bizarre, I would call myself on it. But Twilight's frustration at being outsmarted by a mare who should have a lower intelligence level channeled through a dream where said mare taunts her isn't that far out of the world.

> It’s wrong in every possible way.
I'm gonna call bullshit on this. Again, for reasons presented above in addition to having two reviewers I sure as hell trust more than you go through the story.

> She takes this flaw to its maximum degree
That'd be headcanon. In my world she is the scientist interested in anything and everything. She would be prone to questioning anything she couldn't explain. Well, Derpy won't tell her what the device is. The logical thing to do is to look for yourself. Especially if you think you can get away with it without alerting the other pony.

> You have her magic her way to the basement when she could have just as easily sneaked (which canonically, she’s been shown to be well capable of) and you have her casting spells that may just be far to advanced for her.
I'm calling so much bullshit on this. One, teleportation spells are loud, so that's out of the question since she doesn't want to wake Spike, who specifically suggested she just leave the device alone. Two, too advanced for her? BULLSHIT! There's so much bullshit there. She gave Rarity wings for gods sake! Don't you dare tell me she can't cast simple muffling spells. Look at any RPG game. Most have a muffling spell, most have some sort of transformation spell. The transformation spell is always on a higher tier than the muffling spell. See what I'm trying to say here?

> The story show’s he isn’t going to be easy to stir, and by the off chance he did, Twilight could have easily made an excuse, like going for a glass of water
Sure, saying she isn't rational at 2 in the morning isn't the strongest of reasons, but it's still a plausible reason. Also, she's being careful. You can never be too careful. Just going to point that out. It could swing either way, really. And personally, Twilight seems pretty cautions to me. So I'm gonna stick with her sneaking.

> And then, her interactions with the princess, that alone would call for a massive rewrite.
Bullshit... Her interactions with the princess were actions of shame. She was in the "You caught me doing something wrong, and I'm ashamed." See the Bird in a Hoof episode for reference. She acts very similar.

> All of this mixed together with the countless odd phrases, numerous locations of showing, not telling, wrong punctuation marks, jarring, almost unreadable narration flow, and a story that just doesn’t flow from the concept, and you have a story that is just…
And I'll go through your review, fixing what you pointed out in addition to the two other reviews I've gotten.

> The last thing I want is to stifle a writer’s will
No, no. Not at all. You just made me question your ability to review.

> I have to give this story a 4/10.
I strongly disagree with this rating and from the sounds of the pre-reader, I think he would disagree as well. I don't speak for him, but for a pre-reader going under the name "Pre-reader Grump", his attitude towards the story seems to suggest that it's better than you make it out to be.

> but I only speak the truth.
No, you don't. Fuck off if you think what you say is the truth just because you said it. Maybe once you can get either several reviewers agreeing with you or a whole multitude of readers to do likewise, you are merely stating your opinion.

Thank you for your opinion. I'll go through and sort out your comments in a few days.

Overall:

I challenge your ability as a serious reviewer. While you do have valid opinion, I feel that you do not read close enough or keep a very narrow mind when reading. You went to extremes. You wanted things very exact, very rigid. The realm of fiction is actually very flexible. Don't treat it like glass, and you can make your characters do anything you want. Keep that in mind and maybe you'll do better with your reviews.

I wish you luck with your reviewing and pray that if I ever come back here, you will have improved.
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>>111416
I'm not sure if you're just bad at this or new. Let's just break down some of your examples. You talk about dialogue punctuation, but that entire paragraph is a complete pain in the ass to read because bold facing everything is utter shit and doesn't make your point at all. In fact, it only makes it hard to read.

>“Damn the Crux Nado, damn those cultist to Tartarus.” The colt named Maltese hissed as he took a swig of his green tea.
Wrong. This should be punctuated with a comma and a lower case "The". And, if you want to be a decent writer, you would want to delete the "the colt named" part and streamline the rest of the sentence. Really. I wrote better sentences in school, and I was a terrible student.

>“They’re all scum,” he half-baked, slamming his hoof on the table.
This isn't even a sentence. "half-baked" isn't a verb in this, or any parallel universe. You even said yourself, this construction is only used with speaking verbs. So to use this very construction with a word that isn't even a verb is downright insulting. Please, if you attempt to teach rules, follow them yourself. As such, I cannot fix your damned example because I can't even divine enough to understand what you were trying to demonstrate except for how to do it badly.

>THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! THIS—*takes deep breath, counts to ten, and takes chill pill* this right here… *starts grinding teeth * this right here is your biggest sin by far. Nothing else in the story compares to this; NOTHING!
Except that it obviously wasn't too much of a problem for the prereader because they said it wasn't bad. In fact, I can see where that nice pony pointed out locations.

>Let’s analyze this. For starter, your Derpy character goes against canon with such a passion that it almost feels like a completely different character. She’s neither the lovable klutz nor the somewhat dull yet loyal and kind wall eyed pony. Rather, she appears to be just as intelligent as Twilight. In your story, you have her building up a mechanical device that by all means Derpy shouldn’t be able to create without causing some sort of calamity in the process. Her tone is far too consistent, showing a certain amount of knowledge that “normal” Derpy shouldn’t have. Your Derpy would be passable if this was an alternate universe, where, for the sake of argument, Derpy never because a klutz, but an intelligent and active mare. Heck, you don’t even make mention of her eyes being either normal or wall-eyed. The Derpy presented in the dream sequences is just wrong in every way, taunting Twilight in a matter that the normal Derpy would never do. Again, was this an alternate universe story, then it would be somewhat passable, but as a slice-of-life set in the normal Equestria? It’s wrong in every possible way.
This makes you look like an utter fool. You are defining a wide range of characteristics based on less than a minute of screen time. Let's analyze what "canon" Derpy is. First, she bounced on a rain cloud and got zapped by lightning. That caused some unfortunate accidents. That's it. I could easily take that twenty different directions. I could create twenty different Derpy's based on that. And you know what? That's just me and my limited mind. You're forcing your way of thinking about a character with little canon on someone else. Stop. This is what causes people to question their own ideas. If you think that your way is the only way, go fuck yourself. Derpy is a background pony like any other. As long as you can explain the little snippets we've seen, then the interpretation cannot be out of character because there is no character for them to be out of.

>Twilight’s even worse. Not only is she presented as an overtly curious, self righteous filly who becomes easily obsessed over finding out what Derpy is doing out of what I can only describe as insecurity mixed in with paranoia.
Lesson Zero gives this precedent. If you want to accuse someone of having OOC characters, at least understand the characters enough to point out correct moments.

>She takes this flaw to its maximum degree,
Lesson Zero again.

>at which point you also commit another sin: you make Twilight way too overpowered for no apparent reason. You have her magic her way to the basement when she could have just as easily sneaked (which canonically, she’s been shown to be well capable of)
Her spell casting is also canon. So you disagree with the action. Don't hide behind accusations of OOC to say "do it this way".

>and you have her casting spells that may just be far to advanced for her. By the off chance that she’s able to cast said spells, she does at such a rapid pace and with such proficiency that she might as well be teaching rather being a student.
Do you understand what being the personal student to Celestia means? Super powerful and super knowledgeable. You obviously don't understand the canon surrounding the character very well.

>Why is it so hard for your Twilight to simply walk down the stairs without having to worry about Spike waking up? The story show’s he isn’t going to be easy to stir, and by the off chance he did, Twilight could have easily made an excuse, like going for a glass of water, or needing to use the restroom, or even being honest about it; anything but having her go through so many loops for something so simple as going to her basement.
Again, your way is not the only way. The author did it this way to achieve an effect.

>And then, her interactions with the princess, that alone would call for a massive rewrite.
I love how an Equestria Daily prereader says it needs a single editing pass and is near postable, but you want a massive rewrite. Maybe you should look at the difference in opinion there, and realize that the prereader has a lot more experience to back his opinion up.

>But instead, I found a piece that can only be saved with some very heavy duty re-writing. The plot’s salvageable, but it would require changing. Rather than a slice-of-life, focus on a comedy. Change the characters to be more lore friendly or go all out and make this a different world with different rules; anything but what you have written so far.
tldr: do it like I would or it's shit.

You're but one example of where I see reviewers falling. We can count ourselves lucky that LunarShadow knows what he's doing. However, if you give this kind of advice to someone who comes to you expecting you to know your shit, then they are going to get screwed.
>> No. 111464
>>111435
Notes have been updated in Gdocs.

Alright, I heeded your advice and moved to rectify some of my 'errors'. However, even after giving your story another sweep, I did find some rather embarrassing errors on my part, yes, but the structure of my review more or less remains the same.

However, it was your last statement that really opened my eyes as to why I found this story to be so, controversial on a personal level: "The opinion of one reviewer. It may not mean much, but I do believe that the opinions of readers are still valid. They were completely fine with this. Other reviewers were fine with this.

At this point I don't know whether to chew you out or roll my eyes and take what I can from this review.”

Let me just point out this bit here: “The opinions of the readers are still valid. They were completely fine with this. Other reviewers were fine with this.”

That’s where the problem arose. As I read your story, I felt that your writing seemed more geared towards appeasing the reader than forging a unique and meaningful story. I find this to be a very grave fault in most writers today. While writing is primarily to entertain and inform, it should never be dictated by the reader. This is because the reader will often guide the story down a path where it no longer tells the story it needs to tell, but rather what the audience wants it to tell. When that happens, the story loses its power, its flow. It moves away from being the writer’s work, its original message negated at best, outright rejected at worst. While reader input is by no means a bad thing—quite often being the only kind of input a writer receives—it can be truly poisonous. A reader is only concerned with being entertained. As soon as the story loses its power to entertain, moves away from their fancy or becomes stale in their eyes, they’ll abandon you, their advice shallow at best, cancerous at worst.

As far other reviewers go, just because others look at your work does not mean they’ll be completely honest with you. They might go easy for reasons that are solely their own, or they might just skim through a piece, again, for reasons that are all their own. The biggest fault though, is that a grand majority of reviewers are into reviewing only because they want the fame, the power, the prestige. While there are countless excellent reviewers, reviewers that care for your story and want to see you improve, there are just as many out there who are only out for the fame and care little to nothing for your story. Worse yet, the commit the greatest crime of all: deception. These reviewers will lie to you, tell you what you want to hear, not what you need to hear. That’s something I can never do. Even if truth is damming, I’d rather accept said damnation that continue living in ignorance and deceit.

My final message is about pre-readers. Pre-readers, as their name suggest, only read your work. They often don’t have the luxury to dig deep into a piece, not like a reviewer can. While their comments can he helpful, they should always be taken with a grain of salt. Remember, at the end of the day, they aren’t out to see you improve; they are out to ensure passable work is posted in a blog that is meant to display work for the purpose of attracting viewers. Unless you are dealing with the likes of Nick, Vimbert, or Midnight Shadow, pre-readers are more miss than hit.

>>111442
As for you my friend…I know who you are. Yeah, you’ve been a thorn on my side for quite a long time.

Of course, you always speak truth. Yes, I'm new at the whole 'having a thread to do reviews' bit. I'm far more used to directly speaking with the writers than posting what often feels like a hollow reply. I'm sure I'll improve in time.

You’ve no need to reveal who you are; just know that while your words can be harsh (as they were close to a year ago) they continue to hold weight. I’ll heed them, for they are truth.

And with that, I end this response.

-E.D. “Garnot”
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>>111464

> I felt that your writing seemed more geared towards appeasing the reader than forging a unique and meaningful story.
At the time I wrote this story, the last thing on my mind was the reader. Do I write to appease the reader? In a way, yes! If readers want Daring Do lost on the moon as shy battles hypnotoad, there are going to be writers who'll write that purely because they love the praise showered on them. But that's not the point wanted to make when I mentioned the reader's opinion. What I wanted to point out is that if I had slaughtered the execution of the story so horribly as you portray, the audiences would have torn it to pieces. They may not be able to judge a mundane piece from a truly amazing piece, but they sure know bad. And before you drag out the old "well they liked "MLD" and "Past Sins"" argument, I'll point out that those were really good at playing the reader's emotions. And by good, I mean, They started with novel concepts that everyone was interested in and played the hook really well.

> , just because others look at your work does not mean they’ll be completely honest with you.
Right, as it is with anything that you do with anybody. But I have a lot more trust in these reviewers to be honest enough with me that I think I'll go ahead and say that their reviews were more accurate than your portraying. And by that token, the one you've given me. You're the the odd ball out in this set of reviews. Your review is the one I should be wary of. Just saying that when you have three reviewers and two thirds of them disagree with the other third, it's probably the two thirds that are more accurate. I won't say that their way is the 100% way because majority, because there is the chance that the third reviewer is the correct one. But usually, it is by majority. It doesn't help that you're the new reviewer while the other two both have reviewing experience. One having run a review thread to autosage and starting a new one, the other being one of the most active and consistent reviewers on ttg.

TL;DR: These two reviewers have more credibility than you.

> they’ll abandon you, their advice shallow at best, cancerous at worst.
But the majority of them didn't. They never offered advice either. Their reaction is the gauge here. Their reaction ranged from "meh" (1 person) to "I enjoyed it." (A dozen or so comments). It means I must have something going for me... and again, I'll bring up the fact that if this story was really in need of as desperate rewrite as you say for the reasons you tell me, they would have chewed me to pieces.

> Pre-readers, as their name suggest, only read your work.
But they're the ones that determine if the work goes up on EqD or not. If pre-reader X says that piece Y is close to getting up. Then it's close and probably doesn't need a rewrite. If it needed a rewrite, they wouldn't say it was close.

> They often don’t have the luxury to dig deep into a piece
Or... they don't need to unless they know the surface is okay. You see, the majority of the rejected fics are probably rejected for surface errors. Dialogue errors, grammar errors, painfully OoC errors. If they find that the surface is relatively clean, then they probably take a slightly deeper look. But they don't need to look as deep as possible as you're implying, though I have no doubt that some do. They only need to look a little deeper than the audience will.

> they aren’t out to see you improve
That's horse dung. I would bet that very few pre-readers go through the day reading fanfiction only to say, "Meh, I don't care if X writer improves or not." You're shoving words in their mouth by saying that they don't care for me or my writing by the end of the day.

> ; they are out to ensure passable work is posted in a blog that is meant to display work for the purpose of attracting viewers.
Yes, because that's what they agreed to do when they joined the pre-readers. But that doesn't mean that they're heartless bastards with no emotions except hate towards the writing community. If they forget a story, it's because they pre-read so many, not because they don't care.

> Unless you are dealing with the likes of Nick, Vimbert, or Midnight Shadow, pre-readers are more miss than hit.
So... unless you're a well known pre-reader, you're going to be a poor pre-reader? Uh-huh. The pre-readers got that status for a reason and it's not because they looked pretty. No offense. It's because they had the ability to look at fanfiction with an eye critical enough to determine whether a story should go up on EqD or not. Therefore, their opinion should be respected, regardless of who it is. Do I occasionally disagree with them? Yes, but that's because nobody's perfect.

Overall:

In my opinion, you've just insulted the readers by implying that they aren't smart enough to call me out on bullshit characterization. Again, for the third time I'll bring up the argument that if my story were as pisspoor as you imply, the readers would have torn me a new one. But they didn't.

You shoved words in my mouth by spitting back at me what I said and then delving into this deep meaning when it wasn't what I intended. You shoved words in the pre-readers mouth by determining what their feeling towards writers in general. (Telling me that they don't care to help me improve when you don't know that for a fact.) And you shoved words in the reviewers mouth by saying that they probably weren't totally honest. That what they said wasn't 100% valid because they may lie or want to make it easy on me.

Seriously, stop. Writing experience does not mean reviewing expertise. It helps, yes. However, just because you wrote X story that was a smashing hit with the readers does not mean your opinion is suddenly more valid than someone who's never had an extra good fanfiction, but is a reviewer with experience. Nor does the fact that you may work with really good reviewers mean your opinion is more in the right than others. You are not that experienced reviewer. You are you.

You start at or near the bottom of experience, just like the rest of us. And until you build experience, your opinion will be taking a back seat to the other reviewers. That isn't to say your opinion isn't valid. Just less trusted than others until you build some sort of resume.
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>>111468
Or he sounds convincing enough, like in the origins of /fic/.
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>>111368
>Title: Scribes are weird
>Synopsis:Ghostwriter is Celestia's personal scribe
>Author: Ghostwriter the scribe

ho boy

Well, I guess I'll be claiming this one.
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>>111368
errors
Your story was littered with many grammatical/typo errors. I'd recommend picking up a pre-reader, since correcting all of those is not my job, and as such I didn't correct all of them.

style
Your sentences were short and choppy, making your writing really basic and making it lack depth. I'd suggest looking at your actions and trying to combine either two or more actions into a single sentence, or add detail to your actions to bring them to life.

You also abuse the word 'as', which tends to lend itself to less active writing. Try to use ", running swiftly to the apple tree." sentences more often than ", as he ran swiftly to the apple tree." Better yet, try to mix the two up more, since you tend to go on long sprees of one or the other.

the self-insert tone
Ah, this is why you shouldn't do a self-insert unless you have absolutely no self worth (in which case you wouldn't want to do one in the first place because you consider yourself worthless). The entire story has a tone permeating it that builds the character, Ghostwriter, up. Subtle things in his interactions with other characters, the way other characters talk about him, and in general, the circumstances around him all establish a sort of "cool guy" scribe.

"But I specifically said he was a social recluse, and disliked!"

So that just makes him a "tragic cool guy", the reasoning of this being that the characters in the story so far all look at him as cool. You have undescribed ponies giving him stares as he enters town, but that means basically nothing. Meanwhile you have meaningful characters, such as Celestia, flattering him and his work while he acts all humble.

I can see the effort you made to avoid self insert problems, but they're still there in the overlying tone of the story.

Overall:
It's clear it's a self insert, from more than just your name and the character's, but as far as those go it isn't all that bad. If you try to flesh your character out more, and cut down even harder on that tone I mentioned, you might be able to have a decent oc story between the scribe's interesting runic magic, and the natural adventuring in historic tombs and dungeons I'm seeing the story lend itself to. (or that may just be me, but I'm currently picturing Twilight and Scribe having to explore a temple at some point in the story.)

Cut down on the tone that permeates the story and builds Ghostwriter up, and get a pre-reader,
Soundslikeponies
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>>111543
Thank you for the review, first off. I'm still trying to get away from a self insert. I just want Ghost to be this sort of dreamer that grew up in a place where having your head in the clouds was not exactly accepted, aka Canterlot. My reasoning comes from Sweet and Elite when the ponies at the party are about to laugh at Twilight's dress, until Fancy Pants says he likes it.

I actually have developed Ghost's character more in the latter chapters. I'm working on the third one, which is the end of the introduction ark. I didn't want to reveal to much of Ghost at one time, because I wanted to spread it out between to there chapters. I'll definitely work on the tone. My one thing her is that Ghost is not a social recluse. If you recall Flare says he has social anxiety, and I actually did research to see if the term could apply. In mild cases it means that people don't like people staring at them(at all) and are generally shy around new people. Another thing was I tried to personify my feelings as an author. Ghost loves what he does but doesn't think it's anything note worthy, the same way i feel about writing. Other than that, I didn't try to put any other part of me into Ghost, at least not consciously. Ghost is not meant to be perfect by any means. He has faults, but the first chapter doesn't exactly have a place to address them. If I ever submit the other two you may see it.

Overall, I do appreciate your work and will apply what you've told me.
>> No. 111554
>>111551

>I wanted to spread it out between to there chapters.

*Slaps Forehead* This right here shows my stupidity. What I meant was, 'between the three chapters'.

Also, a small thing, I'm not sure how to fix the problem you had with the glasses. The style I'm using is the kind that don't have ear pieces, but I'm hard pressed to describe that with out sounding stupid.
>> No. 111555
>>111554
And this next thing might get me shot.

>Ghostwriter’s occupation was that of a

You say i need to change this, but why? It's understandable. It tells what it's trying to say. Personally, i just think it sounds good. So why?
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>>111555
Not the reviewer, but the reason is pretty obvious: It's too wordy without imparting any extra information. Thus, it comes across as pretentious, like you're trying to sound smarter by using longer sentences.
Here's all that you're trying to (and need to) say:
>Ghostwriter was a scribe.

The same goes for expressions like "the fact that."
>> No. 111561
>>111555
Exactly what anon said.

>>111393
Your character interaction were better (mostly because you moved away from the Princesses) but there was still a case or two of your characters using moon logic, or doing things that make you go "... wait, why?" which you shouldn't have to stop and ask.

If Pinkie Pie says it's going to rain tomorrow because she did her blue laundry, that doesn't make people pause because it's Pinkie Pie and people expect it. What there was to expect from your characters in terms of reactions, was contradicted. (I.E. They acted out of character by the characterization you established)

When characters seemingly have no pattern, or do things we don't expect, the reader feels as though they don't know that character as well as they thought (which can sometimes be useful, make them think they know a character, and then have said character do something unexpected, to keep your story unpredictable.

I didn't spot any stilted writing in chapter 3, but you still need to work on combining and condensing your sentences, as well as cutting out pleonasms (I marked a few).
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In the spirit of DRAMALICIOUS WEEKEND on /fic/, it has come to my attention that one Jmozziel / Lunar Shadow is having a dispute with one Garnot / E.D. Garnot C]-[H over a review. In the spirit of fairness, let's go over this in a post-by-post manner (but this entire post is directed at Jmozziel, as I don't really review reviewers except Shuckle, but he doesn't count):

>Garnot's deleted review
He mentioned some dialogue issues, which I really don't notice while reading for plot (I'm inoculated). He also mentioned your "atrocious formatting," which, given how it's centered, for Gushnor's sake, makes me inclined to agree. Was it so difficult to hit CTRL + A, CTRL + SHIFT + J before submitting this for a review? Sure, you'd bork your "- - -" (which is much less common than "* * *" but not technically wrong), but still, a minute's worth of effort on your part would've been a nice sign of faith.

However, that's ancillary to his points about your characterization:
>For starter, your Derpy character goes against canon with such a passion that it almost feels like a completely different character. She’s neither the lovable klutz nor the somewhat dull yet loyal and kind wall eyed pony. Rather, she appears to be just as intelligent as Twilight. In your story, you have her building up a mechanical device that by all means Derpy shouldn’t be able to create without causing some sort of calamity in the process. Her tone is far too consistent, showing a certain amount of knowledge that “normal” Derpy shouldn’t have.
>Your Derpy would be passable if this was an alternate universe, where, for the sake of argument, Derpy never because a klutz, but an intelligent and active mare. Heck, you don’t even make mention of her eyes being either normal or wall-eyed. The Derpy presented in the dream sequences is just wrong in every way, taunting Twilight in a matter that the normal Derpy would never do. Again, was this an alternate universe story, then it would be somewhat passable, but as a slice-of-life set in the normal Equestria? It’s wrong in every possible way.

After reading this story, I'm inclined to agree. In the show, Derpy's a klutz (dropping pianos and... some bullshit with City Hall in Season 2 that I lucked out on avoiding) and a goof (waving at the camera, having odd cameos here and there). None of this lends itself to a serious, engineering-oriented character, but that's what you give to readers with virtually no explanation ("I'm taking night classes" comes out of nowhere and really doesn't feel like a valid explanation of how much canon you violated).

>Twilight’s even worse. Not only is she presented as an overtly curious, self righteous filly who becomes easily obsessed over finding out what Derpy is doing out of what I can only describe as insecurity mixed in with paranoia. She takes this flaw to its maximum degree, at which point you also commit another sin: you make Twilight way too overpowered for no apparent reason. You have her magic her way to the basement when she could have just as easily sneaked (which canonically, she’s been shown to be well capable of) and you have her casting spells that may just be far to advanced for her. By the off chance that she’s able to cast said spells, she does at such a rapid pace and with such proficiency that she might as well be teaching rather being a student. Why is it so hard for your Twilight to simply walk down the stairs without having to worry about Spike waking up? The story show’s he isn’t going to be easy to stir, and by the off chance he did, Twilight could have easily made an excuse, like going for a glass of water, or needing to use the restroom, or even being honest about it; anything but having her go through so many loops for something so simple as going to her basement.

I mostly disagree with Garnot on this point; your Twilight felt in-character given how completely ridiculous it is for Derpy to be an engineer. Again, the fact that Derpy's an engineer comes completely out of left field near the end of the story and isn't built up to at all, which really makes a lot of this story ridiculous.

Where I will agree with, in spirit, is how much of an idiot-ball you handed Twilight. "Hmm, Derpy's in my basement making an appliance that heats up, and she's also picked up books about how to cook with bread... WELP, CALL SCOOB AND THE GANG, I CAN'T FUCKING FIGURE IT OUT." There's merit to having the audience figure out how the plot's going to end before the characters do, but this was Blue's Clues-level ham-handed and stupid of the narrator (though, to be fair, Steve / Joe were just acting).

The worst part of your characterization, though, is how Twilight and Derpy basically had the same dialogue and tone throughout. Dialogue's a gateway into the personality, so that really doesn't bode well for the perceived quality of this fic.


>>111435
Here, you gave a point-by-point response, so here's my opinions on the matter in a point-by-point manner:

>It couldn't have been that bad, could it? One, I know I'm not the best at punctuation, but I certainly know I'm not as bad as you make out. It helps that I use the autoreviewer for punctuation as well.
He pointed out an issue with punctuation. A correct response would've been "I'll take a look." Another would be, "Darn, I thought I got all of those." You elected the route of, "Oh, you're overreacting." Probably not getting off to the best start here...

>Again, I didn't think I had written her as pisspoor as you suggest. I already see parts that I may be able to improve on to bring Derpy to "your acceptable level". However, I was going for the fanon Derpy which is that there's an intelligence beneath that klutziness. I'm not going to lose that. No way. I can add some "comedy mess" to make it closer to the Derpy you want, but I'm not changing her. The story loses a lot if I have if I try this with below average Derpy. I do believe I gave her ample reason to be intelligent.
>My Derpy is passable because I give her reason to be. Perhaps I didn't stress why she's more intelligent than fanonly depicted.
No you didn't, see my above issues.

>I can work on that.
A good response for an author to have to a reviewer.

>Because it held no plot significance. And the audience already knows what she looks like. Unless I had a reason to make the audience see a straight-eyed Derpy, I don't need to mention it. They'll see her the way I want them to see her anyways.
These two statements contradict one another. You're saying the audience knows Derpy well enough to use their image of her, but they're going to "see her how you want to?" Then you're bringing in fandom, which HO DEAR LORD does your story have issues with fandom.

>Umm... dream logic? It's a dream. Things don't need to exactly make sense. I mean, if things were really bizarre, I would call myself on it. But Twilight's frustration at being outsmarted by a mare who should have a lower intelligence level channeled through a dream where said mare taunts her isn't that far out of the world.
Why didn't waking Twilight comment on these?

>Again, for reasons presented above in addition to having two reviewers I sure as hell trust more than you go through the story.
Hi. Do I count as a reviewer?

Anyway, for space, I'm going to skip over some points you had about Twilight's characterization / actions that I agree with, but I will mention that I agree with them.

>Bullshit... Her interactions with the princess were actions of shame. She was in the "You caught me doing something wrong, and I'm ashamed." See the Bird in a Hoof episode for reference. She acts very similar.
Oh God, I forgot about my issues with Celestia in this story. Briefly, where did she come from? Why was that never explained? I still agree with Twilight getting her mental butt beat by a mother figure, but this is REALLY a Deus ex Machina ending (because, you know, the SUN GOD appears and sets things straight) which... really didn't need it. Like, you have a really simple story about Derpy and Twilight... AND THEN GOD SHOWED UP AND TOLD EVERYONE TO STFU.

>And I'll go through your review, fixing what you pointed out in addition to the two other reviews I've gotten.
Fair enough...

>No, no. Not at all. You just made me question your ability to review.
Wh-whoa. Someone points out some valid points, but you ignore that and call out their ability to review? Bullshit.

>I strongly disagree with this rating and from the sounds of the pre-reader, I think he would disagree as well. I don't speak for him, but for a pre-reader going under the name "Pre-reader Grump", his attitude towards the story seems to suggest that it's better than you make it out to be.
I won't speak for Prereader Grump either, but remember: Equestria Daily accepts C-stories. Garnot's trying to help you write an "A." Now, you question the need for an entire rewrite, and rightfully so, but for this story to work in the best way possible, it's going to need some pretty sweeping revisions with Derpy's character, the conflict, and the resolution.


Anyway, there was then some back-and-forth (>>111464 / >>111468) that ended in this little gem:
>Seriously, stop [I'm not quite sure what you mean for Garnot to stop]. Writing experience does not mean reviewing expertise. It helps, yes. However, just because you wrote X story that was a smashing hit with the readers does not mean your opinion is suddenly more valid than someone who's never had an extra good fanfiction, but is a reviewer with experience. Nor does the fact that you may work with really good reviewers mean your opinion is more in the right than others. You are not that experienced reviewer. You are you.
Do you want know why I spent over an hour typing up a rebuttal to your interactions with Garnot? One, they're founded on bullshit. Yes, Garnot screwed up a little on your review (Twilight's characterization), but a large percent of your comments seem to be, "You're an inexperienced reviewer, your opinion doesn't matter compared to two other reviewers."

>You start at or near the bottom of experience, just like the rest of us. And until you build experience, your opinion will be taking a back seat to the other reviewers.
If that's how you were going to be with a new reviewer, why would you post your story in this thread? I mean no offense to SoundslikePonies, but he's fairly new to /fic/ as well (like... three months?).

But no. A second reason I have for this rebuttal is that, over the past year, Garnot's been one of the few people that I consistently trust with my story. He's reviewed three versions and ~300k words' worth of one story, on top of his various classes that he's taken at a college. So don't go on about "no experience" just because he doesn't post on /fic/.

Or do you want to question my expertise, as I've found a lot of the errors that Garnot did (and more)?
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Hello SLP. (Finds himself at gunpoint. Laughs nervously.)

Okay, first, I apologize for my three post response. I should have waited for my thoughts to gather before responding. Anyway, I believe I fixed a good portion of the problems. One or two may remain, because I'm just stupid. If your have time, I would appreciate a quick pass over to gauge if I've actually fixed anything.

Now one thing, you said in your review that I have a tone that builds Ghostwriter up. Admittedly, I might be doing it on a subconscious level. I like Ghostwriter. He's my creation. Now, I would like to fix this but... well, the areas you cited are when Twilight was introducing Ghost and more specifically saying what his role is. Now here's my problem, and let me go on record saying it has nothing to do with what you said, I'm not sure I can fix this, because, to me, it is necessary to say to each pony. It's not to reinforce Ghost importance, it's so that the mane six know why he's moving in.

One other thing is that you said that the other ponies look at him as cool.

... I don't see it. Of the 4 important characters in the chapter, only two of them have extensive interaction with Ghost. If it's because they were nice to him, well the first episode showed that all of them are nice to newcomers. Twilight appreciates intelligence and the fact that Ghost has a few things she has never seen before makes him interesting to her. Applejack was just happy that her problem could be fixed. Rarity had even less time to talk to Ghost. She rushed the group out her door as soon as Ghost was clothed. So a little clarification would also be nice. However, it's possible that this is just me trying to justify some bad mistakes. You have no reason to to try and help me, so if you don't want to go over it again I understand.

Anyway, Bye!
>> No. 111581
Title: Sweet Escape
Author name: Bob From Bottles
Word count: 6366
Tags: Slice-of-life, Comedy
Synopsis: Luna is on a mission to save Equestria, starting with her sister. With so many ponies gaining weight, she feels it is time to put down the cake and pick up a salad. Her only hope is that her sister will calmly agree to start exercising and not react irrationally when she learns of Luna’s plan.

I think I've edited this enough that it's ready for a reviewer's eyes. Things I'm most concerned with are: do the princesses feel in character, does the plot make sense, and is the pacing good?

Thank you for your time.
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Pic related. What SLP's going to do to me soon.

>>111568
Heh, I'm not THAT new Nick. Sure, after nearly a year's absence, I guess coming back to /fic/ (which is now very different than I recall) was shocking, and so is my first taste story reviewing outside of close colleagues' stories.

but I'm not here for that. I'm here to extend an official apology for this>>111464.

Lunar, I apologize for screwing up the portion of your review regarding Twilight's persona. I should have paid more attention to it.

To Khakispony, I apologize for not being more in depth. I honestly found your story quite engaging, though I could have dug deeper than I did. If you would allow it, I would like a second round at the story. That is, only if you allow it.

I would like to extend an apology to the pre-readers who work so hard to allow great works to be presented to the masses.

I would like to extend an apologies to my partner SLP, who up to this point has been more than supportive in my attempts at catching up with the new /fic/ and its intricacies.

Finally, I would like to extend an apology to the readers, who are the very lifeblood of this community, and who view our writing and take the time to give us feedback. The readers of old were vastly different to the readers of today. I'll have to adapt, but I'm confident I'll manage. With luck this old timer might just prove to be useful.

>>111581
You've been added to the queue.
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>>111585
It cool man but I'll tell you what. I'll let you review the fic after I've made some edits
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>>111581
Getting back in this saddle yo; no way no how I’m going to let a few little ‘errors’ break my grove man! You want reviews? I’ll give you reviews!

Let’s get started!

Since you and I talked this over the docs, I’ll go ahead and post a short version of the review. All notes are in the Gdocs.

First off, your story turned out to be quite the enjoyable read. It was a bit odd at times, and some sections were rather, ‘strange’. Granted this is a comedy, it goes quite a long way to make these portions more than acceptable.

For the most part, you managed to keep Celestia and Luna in character, the exceptions being what I listed in your notes. When you go off character, it doesn’t always end up being bad though, as some situations do work. The one character I found myself both praising and bashing was Celestia, as her character shows playful youth and a slightly serious air. Again, the notes on the doc should provide you with all the information you need.

The story I felt flowed nicely save for the spots where I made notes. The premise is somewhat unique, though I’m certain once you patch up the spots pointed out, it will be even more unique than before.

Far as errors go, you have multiple instances of SDT, odd punctuation, missing or extra words, awkward phrasing, somewhat inconsistent quotations, and a few instances where your characters go to OOC. Regardless, it was an entertaining piece. Rough around several edges, but entertaining.

Final verdict: 6.9/10

>>111221
last call brother. If this story isn't open by tomorrow afternoon, it getting dropped the queue.
>> No. 111721
>>111714

Thank you for reviewing my work. I knew I had a ways to go before it was ready to be published. Your comments and the chat we had in doc has given me what I need to get this piece polished up.
>> No. 112189
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Hello SLP, Garnot! Top o' the mornin' to ya!

I'm here to request a review for my submission to the recent Writeoff, entitled What We Leave Behind.

Word Count: 5,665
Synopsis: Shining Armor has had a dream all of his life: to be one of the Royal Guard, and protect all of Equestria from those who would threaten it. And he's finally almost there—a letter of acceptance and the goodwill of his family and friends have made this future possible. Yet sometimes, we only truly realize what we have left as we go to defend it.

Here be a link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NKExui9rB5Ir8O0punJLX17pZulb39J-TWxzKy2iPZI/edit

Thank you!

Just a head's up, but I'm planning on putting this in Applejinx's thread as well. Thanks again!
>> No. 112232
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>>112189
Mechanically and storyically not a real word the story was solid. I was only able to find one or two places where the story could benefit from improved syntax, and the story felt like what could have actually happened in the canon.

The narration is really the only, but mildly major bit of an oxymoron, I know point where the story falters. Your description of actions, and variety of actions is weak and plain. You over used winking, nodding, blinking, shaking their head, and snorting, and your actions lack a level of detail that and variety that fail to bring their movements to life. The story still shines through all that, but it does currently lack a certain pop in the writing that would truly breathe life into the story.

Here's an excerpt taken from the story with the dialogue removed:

Shining spun around.
Cadance nodded, winking.
Shining smiled, blushing a bit.
Cadance chuckled.
Velvet turned around, snorting. She smiled at Cadance.
“[dialogue],” Shining moaned.
Cadance snickered.

These sort of flat dialogue tags are good to use in certain places where you need to describe action, but don't want to interrupt dialogue too much. However, even the more descriptive actions tend to fall on the short side of the stick. The rule is to paint your image in as few words as possible, but stopping short of fully painting the image is just as common a mistake as over-describing it.

You need to vary your verbs more, and add 'catch lines' to your writing. Catch lines are ways of describing action or body language that breathe character and life into the action.

>Cadence smiled.
Cadence's lips tugged up in a smile.
>Shining armor smiled, blushing a bit.
Shining Armor smiled nervously, the heat rising behind his ears.
>Cadence snickered.
Cadence lifted a hoof to stifle her snickering.
>Shining nodded.
Shining's mouth formed a grim, thin line as he nodded.
>Shining blinked.
Jerking his head back slightly, Shining blinked.

Let's look at some longer actions, that are still somewhat plain:

>Shining panted as he ran through the city, his mane whipping in the wind behind him. He dodged around passers-by and tourists and finally came to a stop before a tall green building. Raising a hoof and taking a moment to catch his breath, he knocked four times on the building’s door.

Shining ran through the city, panting, his mane whipping in the wind behind him as he dodged around passers-by and tourists. He finally came to a stop at the doorstep of a tall green building and took a moment to catch his breath, his legs aching. Raising a hoof, he politely knocked four times on the building’s door.

We get these reordered sentence by looking at the bare-bones of what was being said:
He was running
He stopped (this is when he caught his breath)
He knocked
And as such I organized the actions into three sentences following this basic information, as well as adding small details to further elaborate on the actions.
>he politely knocked
This gives off more of an impression that he's running because he's running late, rather than running because of something urgent.
>his legs aching
Simply adds to the feel that he rushed over there (also, you did say 'finally' so I suppose it must have been some distance away).

It's these more elaborate details in character action and body language, as well as better grouping of actions in more action oriented narration, that your writing would benefit from most.

I'd recommend playing around with elaborating on small actions such as the ones above. Once you read enough catch phrases, and play around with them enough, you'll be able to make up your own.

Hopefully this was helpful, and keep writing; I liked the story you had to tell,
Soundslikeponies

(pic unrelated to review, I'm just groggy right now)
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Hey, Guys! I got a new story with no connection to the other story I wrote.

Title: The Miracles of Harmony

Author: Ghostwriter

Word count: 1523

Synopsis: She would never forgive him. Their battle wasn't meant to go this way. What we need is a miracle. Twilight can deliver.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Im_uGMECOHuYFh7dzwSvF3EeCH9q0RSVeGq4M7-3BaI/edit

Admittedly, I have one problem with this piece. The ending feels rushed and I'm not sure what to do about it.
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>>112232
Rest well SLP, I'll take the next story

suddenly, a challenger appears!
>>112256
>Ghostwriter
>New story
>Ending's admittedly rushed

Well then, looks like I'm going to be quite busy tonight.
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>>112256
That's right, this isn't a review, it is a follow up. You and I discussed this story SIGNIFICANTLY in the Docs, so posting the contents of said discussions would be moot. Instead, I'll post my views on yours story, plus a few extra notes.

For starters, it needs significant work. As I read, i wasn't sure if you were going for a narration-type tale or an active one. Regardless of which one you picked, your was quite literally telling, not showing. It was only at the end of it that the story became active, but even then it was still a telling experience. I discussed how to fix this, so no need to go into detail here.

Your story was a tad common, maybe even mundane considering how much it has been done already. That still doesn't mean there is potential for it, but you'll need to pull off some feats of writing to really make it shine. I have some faith you can do this, but time's the only thing that can tell.

Other issues I pointed out:
-Grammar
-Punctuation
-First Person vs. Third Person
-Narrative oddities
-Some misc. subjects

The final piece here is length. I normally SUGGEST writers keep descriptions short and scenes as simple as possible, but your case, I actually suggest the opposite; spice it up, add all the details you can. Make the story come to life, its characters lively and engaging. Avoid dumping information and focus on showing the story. Only then will your story truly shine.

Normally, I give out a score for stories like this, but as the story stands, it feels too incomplete for a proper score.

-E.D. "Garnot"
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>>112309
Thanks for all the input. I promise to use this knowledge responsibly and not use it to become a super villain and destroy the world. Cause Knowledge is power!
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>>112309
uhm, real quick.

>That still doesn't mean there is potential for it

Did you mean 'isn't potential for it' as in it's got potential, or it's got no potential?
>> No. 112461
Well, hi.
I have a story that I'd like to send for reviewing.

Title: Lyra Heartstrings: Ace Attorney
Tags: Comedy, Tragedy, Crossover
Author: DeiStar
Words: 12,006 (Yes, exceeds the 10k word limit. If you like, you can review some of the fic or something.)

Synopsis: A crime has taken place in Ponyville, and Octavia is the main suspect. Vinyl needs to find a defense attorney before her sister's trial begins. However, not a single lawyer agrees to help them. When everything seemed lost, one mare agrees to take on Octavia's case... the best defense attorney in Equestria: Lyra Heartstrings.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AC00G4WyA4HIlYrhINr8e6P8YSvv2Bvs_qvuc0APQgc/edit

Comments: I'd like to request SLP to review this one.

So, yeah, I think that's it. Thanks, and I'll be happy to hear an answer.
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>>112376
Heh, seems I've gone and made an error in my writing. This looks quite bad...

Well, to answer your question, I meant "there is potential" but, again, you'll need to pull of some good prose to make it work well. Again, I'm sure you can do so, just keep at it.

>>112461
Added to the queue.
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Synopsis:

When Twilight receives a mysterious package revealing a grave secret about Equestria's beloved sun, she sets out to search for answers. Wandering ever deeper into a web of deceit and government conspiracy, she soon discovers herself in a treacherous struggle for the truth, her life, and the very fate of Equestria itself.

Word count: 10141

Link:

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B642GqNgaKBdaEtHQXlMeDNKUTA/edit


Greetings! I know this story is slightly above your word limit, so feel free to only review the first chapter.

Thank you!
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Title: Pop Culture
Tags:Slice of Life
Author: Khakispony
Word Count: 5419
Synopsis: Sapphire Shores returns to Rarity's boutique to thank her for the most comfortable, fashionable stage wear she's every had. While there, she overhears Sweetie Belle singing, and decides her voice is sensational. Logically, she offers Sweetie a recording deal. Sweetie accepts, and moves to Canterlot to learn the art of being a pop starlet, with all the ups and downs it brings.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V40ZqxDjjIrfi3hEWQuitM7jwCmtzpG2mpZexKA5ey4/edit

Comments: Need SLP to review this since Garnot already has. I'm looking for a seventh accomplice in the gradual murder of my sanity. It appears my fic is polarizing as all hell. I've just spent 4 hours with your partner going though everything in my fic in some vain attempt to make it goodish. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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>>112461
The things I noticed the most with the writing itself was the verb use, telling, and conveying information through less engaging means.

Verb use:
>There was a unicorn lying on the floor
I commented on this in the document suggesting to change it to:
"A unicorn lay on the floor."
There's a few flabby sentences which have made less engaging by their bloated word count. Usually the more active verbage is leaner, and more concise. This didn't show up too often in your story, but enough that I felt it was worth mentioning.

Telling and Conveying information through less engaging means:
This is the big one that's much harder to judge since it's in shades of gray. Please, no jokes about that book. You convey a lot of information through telling, or second story telling.
Telling, as you may or may not know, is when you directly state emotions rather than showing them through actions. It's fine to 'tell' actions, for example, you can have "Applejack hit the ball." but you don't want "Applejack cheered up." anywhere near your story.
As a rule of thumb to get you working towards eliminating the telling in your writing, try to write without ever using an emotion word. These include things such as:
Happy
Sad
Angry
Depressed
Bored
Frustrated
Or any other emotion, that would fall under the same category as these.
"But how do I show Octavia is nervous about being put on the stand?"
Octavia glanced around the room, fidgeting with her hooves behind the old oak stand, which had a reflective finish.
The above infers emotion through action, AND as an added bonus, it throws in some scenic description, which your story somewhat lacks. (At least in the courtroom. The crime scene house was described... okay-ly.)


“If it pleases the court, the prosecution would like to call Ms. Octavia to the stand.” Bonbon looked at the defendant, inviting her to do so.

I suppose it couldn't hurt to have Octavia take testify, maybe I'll get some more information about what happened that night so I can piece this together. Not actually from the story

Showing things through someone's thoughts is far less engaging than showing their thoughts through their actions.

“If it pleases the court, the prosecution would like to call Ms. Octavia to the stand.” Bonbon looked at the defendant, inviting her to do so.
(Here's where I begin to do things differently:)
"Would that be alright, Ms Heartstrings?" Celestia asked, raising an eyebrow at her.

Lyra looked over at her client, biting her lip and thinking. "Absolutely, Your Honor."

Vinyl tugged on Lyra's leg. "Are you sure that's a good idea?" she whispered, looking up at her.

"I need more information if I'm going to piece together what happened that night," Lyra replied, watching Octavia rise and walk to the stand. "Your sister is innocent, so the best way to prove her innocence, is by finding out what really did happen that night."

This is just an example of how you can show things in a more organic manner. Thoughts should be reserved for when you can't show what they're thinking without having a page+ long detour from what's happening to create a situation so that you can explain it. AKA, when it's really hard to avoid.

Aside from that, I'm going to take it the hammyness and cheesyness is characteristic of the material you're trying to emulate. I'm not familiar with phoenix wright, so my opinion on the matter is educated guess at best. However, it does feel like the cheesyness/hammyness should be toned down a little. I pointed out many cases in the earlier part, which was where they seemed much more intrusive.

Overall, I actually liked the second half of the story much better because the hammyness and cheesyness actually felt like it fit when you used it there. The story seemed like it was phoenix wright-ish from my unknowledgeable perspective, but I could be wrong.

Stop and think before you write emotion words, and stop and think before you write thoughts. Try to figure out ways to show those things differently as I pointed out above, and your writing will become much more engaging.
Cheers,
Soundslikeponies

P.S. Could you phone Ms. Heartstrings for us? We accidentally destroyed Ms. Cupcake's home, and this time she's pressing charges.>>110925
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>>112545
As said, many thanks for the review. I think I'll able to spot most of the problems, and it also helped me to understand a few things about writing.

I'll follow your advice and try to improve it. Thanks again.
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>>112469
As requested, only Chapter One looked at and given a review. Second Chapter will be reviewed as soon as other prior engagements are dealt with, so expect more soon.

Review
Okay, first off, you’ll have to forgive if this review comes off rather short; I’m a tad tired due to some unforeseen issues I’ve dealt with, but wore me out.

Now the, on to the review itself. Here is a list of things I found wrong:
-You appear to jump a lot (and suddenly) between past and present tense.
Recommendation: Pick a singular tense and work it, only jumping to a new tense when
A-a new paragraph allows is and
B-only when necessary.

-Lavender Unicorn Syndrome: author uses terms such as ‘the unicorn’ or ‘the dragon’ along with its variations to describe characters that we’ve already been named or are obvious.
Suggestions: Use actual character names, using descriptions only when new characters are introduced or is narrated via dialogue.

-Torches are mentioned, yet earlier in the story, gas lamps are made to be the main sources of light.
Recommendation: either make all light sources consistent (gas lamps), or explain that gas lamps gave way to torches in order to maintain a certain level of light.
As a side note, gas lamps and torches do not appear to be the preferred choice of lighting in a library, especially one that contains invaluable tomes of knowledge.

-Narration seems to lag in places. Could use some streamlining and a quickening of the pacing, especially towards end of chapter one.
Recommendation: use more active instances, such as character dialogue or active verbs and descriptions.

Detailed Review
To begin with, I found myself quite intrigued by the story you presented. It shows great promise, and I’m looking forward to reading and reviewing your second chapter, which I’ll do in the docs due to this particular review being posted (unless you wish otherwise).

Story wise, I can’t find flaw. The plot itself is quite interesting, and so is the synopsis presented. However, I do find that your narration form tends to be slow at places. These locations unfortunately suffer from cases of SDT; you tell your readers what is happening in a particular instance, neglecting the aspect of showing it, letting the scene flow naturally from the characters. In some cases, you should change the exposition to dialogue, and in others, make the characters more active in the description.

One of the issues I noted in the first page, and was seen several times thereafter was that you tented to suddenly shift between a past tense and a present one. My suggestions would to pick one specific tense and stick to it; it would make narration flow smoother.

The next issues that you sometimes use terms such as ‘unicorn’ and ‘dragon’ when you speak about Spike and Twilight. I made notes of this in the docs, and it isn’t that major a deal, but I thought I would mention it in the review for record’s sake. The instances where this occur are in the notes, so I don’t need to post them here.

Other issues include some light consistency issues, the main one being how you suddenly change from gas lamps to torches without providing some sort of explanation. I would suggest you either keep the lighting consistent all through the archives scene, or give a heads-up that there is a change in lighting conditions. Also, as I mentioned above, torches and gas lamps don’t seem like the ideal source of light to use in a library, especially if more modern means are available (which was demonstrated at the very intro, when you gave descriptions of various advanced apparatuses).

The final issues I noticed was that the narration seemed to lag in certain places, particularly the library scene and the archives. While this narration and exposition is important, I can’t help but feel it can be made more rapid by using less descriptive language and more active measures, such as inner dialogue or physical movements.

Chapter Verdict: 8.5/10

That covers my notes for the first chapter. As stated above, I’ll go ahead and look at the second chapter, though I expect the same points I made here to be present as well. I’ll look it over regardless. Expect this review in a day or so, the reason being that I have two others reviews/follow-ups (not on this queue) to attend to first.

-E.D. Garnot
>> No. 112573
>>112549

Thanks for your prompt review of chapter 1.

I'm very glad that you found my story interesting, despite the multiple mistakes you pointed out. Not going to present any specific concerns or questions here, as I feel that would be better handled in doc.

Looking forward to your opinion of chapter 2!
>> No. 112574
>>111551
Dear SLP. If my statements about your review came off as 'Well your stupid' I want to apologize.I never meant indicate that. I respect any pony that is willing to go through my work (Especially since as of recent light, I can't seem to write anything that doesn't have a list of problems a mile long. Apparently I'm not even an average author.(Ignore the self hate) But I'm just too dumb to quit.) Anyway, I do thank both you and Garnot for your reviews.

Sincerely, Ghostwriter the Scribe.
>> No. 112581
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Synopsis: Bored with high school, Lyra's life changes when she's brought to Equestria and turned into a mint-green pony with a magical horn bulging out of her head. After an embarrassing incident, Bon Bon decides to help Lyra adjust to life as a pony.



Chapter one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RbahWiTAo5hs7agHgG6I-y8aaHW7b_v7zg493SrueMQ/edit

FimFic link (older draft): http://www.fimfiction.net/story/12225/No%2C-you%27re-a-unicorn.-Now-act-like-one!

I was told that this didn't have enough conflict and that my writing was too dry. I tried to fix it as best I could, but I want to be sure before submitting to EqD. Plus Golden said your review actually helped him make his writing less dry. I could probably still use help on that front.
>> No. 112596
1. To Lead Them Home
2. peppermint.owl
3. 7,098 (at the moment)
4. A young stallion is recruited into the Reapers, an organization dedicated to the safe crossing-over of spirits. How does death work in Equestria, and what challenges do the Reapers face? Deals with death and contains implied horror, but no explicit gore. Oneshot.
5. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4n52debqmkkUkxLVXlTX2NFZmM

Hello, hello! New writer here, and looking for opinions! In addition to your usual thang, I'd like advice as to whether it should remain a oneshot or just go ahead and turn it into a chapter fic. I'd also like to know if I'm cruising over anything interesting that deserves more attention, or if I'm ever dwelling on anything boring.

Thanks for your consideration!
>> No. 112600
My apologies! Googledocs decided to weird out on me and gave the wrong link. This one is far easier to comment on.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p-9MF1MCBedpf8R1WFauj_TlPLJ8_z8-q_KIq5LQyyg/edit

Again, so sorry!
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Hey guys! I'd like to drop this off here. Khakispony has all ready gone through it. Said it was good, only gave me a six and said that that any additions would take away any charm it has. Still what do you guys think.

Title: What's In A Name.

Tags: (Not really sure what to put here) Normal

Synopsis: Sometimes a name can be more than just a name. It's a concept that Twilight has been thinking on, and she's come to some interesting conclusions.

Word Count: 1597

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yl32wlKLHQ-YIRPwq9oCI30T33XQTu7eb77IyP3U1Q8/edit

Notes: My main goal with this was a kind of a thinking piece. I basically made a story out of my ponderings on the mane six's names.

On a side note, the picture relates to my last story. I got it through a request. it looks awesome.
>> No. 112702
>>112701
oh, it's also going to be reviewed by Professor Hugbox.
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>>112697
>-Formatting—
This is so that I can easily copy the story over to FimFiction, without spending an hour fixing the formatting.
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>>112581
Review update. Standard procedure demands the previous reply be deleted and a new one be posted. That's what I've done.

Notes in Gdocs.

Okay, I’m not going to lie to you my friend; your story was less than good. It was acceptable, but it commits far too many errors to be salvageable as is. You’re going to do some very heavy editing to save the story you’ve told so far, which will needs reworking, the event that set the tale into motion and the entire story requiring heavy alterations and some more in-depth though as to how you wish to play what you’ve said so far.

Here is a list of things I found wrong with your chapter. I’ll go ever each in detail.
-Rushed—you story feels absolutely rushed. You don’t stop to create exposition when needed, rushing to events that need said exposition. You commit the crime of getting far too ahead of yourself, leaving the reader in a position where he has to fill in gaps when he should be worried about reading. This is a big no-no, especially this early in the story (first chapter and first few paragraphs). I normally don’t say this, but you need to add more exposition to yours story.

-SDT—you tell far more than you show. This goes hand in hand with the previous statement of you rushing through the story. Exposition would remedy the SDT issues, but it wouldn’t remedy the seeming lack of relevant information. When you do stop to create exposition, you tell far more than you show, and it should be the other way around.

-Random and sudden jumps—you not only rush the story, but you literally jump from scene to scene without giving much exposition as to how this occurred, what happened in between, and what the main character is feeling as these jumps occur. You negate much-needed exposition and in turn create a story that often leaves the reader asking themselves ‘wait, what?”

-Distant main character—your main character feels distant. The first paragraph sets this up, and it only gets worse as the story progresses. This can be remedied by making interactions more personal for Lyra, as well as adding exposition. Otherwise, it’s just info dumping.

-Nonsensical events—you suddenly toss events of a very nonsensical manner to the reader. A prime example of this is during the bath scene, followed by the sudden transformation of your main character and the events that precede it. There is no build-up and no explanation as to how this happened. By now I sound like a broken record, but you need to use exposition; lots and lots of exposition. You also need to avoid SDT and SHOW events from a point that makes the reader care for Lyra.

-Formatting—your story seems to lack proper formatting, for not only did you not bothered to correct a few simple errors that could have been avoided by the use of Gdoc’s word processing, but you left inconsistent wording, coding language that is not needed in a Gdoc or any type of doc, (the [ I ]/[ /I ] signs) and used excessive spacing when it’s not needed in the least.


My suggestions is that you take a good look at the story you wish to tell and think about how to move it forward in a coherent manner that both gives Lyra some background other than just ‘some gal who got turned into a pony’. Give her some background, emotions, have her feel, have her yearn. Give us exposition to her past, why is she good with a lyre while in pony form? Give her some reason to not be that preoccupied with going back to her old self. Give Bom-Bom a deeper reason for being so hostile towards Lyra at first, give her more features that make her ‘alien’ to her surroundings. Have her feel truly like fish out of water. She adapts far too quickly. Have her earn her place in Ponyville, not just get it handed to her in a silver platter. If you are going to give us a story as this, then make it mean something; take your time with the exposition.

Final verdict: 5/10
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>>112708
To answer you about formatting. Keep two docs, one with the story in a standard format (for reviews) and another with your FIMfiction editing. That should fix any issues with formatting.
>> No. 112731
>>112709
Thanks for taking the time to review my story.

>>112710
Thank you for the suggestion, but I choose to ignore it (the formatting part not the rest of your review,) since it needlessly complicates things and it will not improve the end result.
>> No. 112741
>>112731
Italics, bold, and underlined are preserved when you copy and paste the body (in view mode, not edit mode) from Fimfiction to Google docs.

Transfering back, there's a button with a green down arrow at the top edit bar on fimfiction's page along with bold, underline, centered, etc. Enable your gdoc to be viewable by those with the link, and link it in that button. Your story will automatically be uploaded and formatted with the [] tags that fimfiction uses.
>> No. 112761
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Your chapter has officially been completed and I must say, it was very good. Since you and I already had a long discussion over on the chat, just know that, while I did find a lot of the same errors from the first chapter (expected) the pacing was surprisingly pleasant, the narration style handled quite well, and the overall plot moved forward, as with a very intriguing set of events that are sure to unfold soon enough. A good read that can only get better once the errors have been all corrected.

Chapter Verdict: 9/10
>> No. 112778
The Elements Of Harmony: The Equestrian Crisis

JC Borch

4 chapters, 43.059 words total

It’s been a few years since the wielders of the Elements of Harmony were last together. Their reunion, however, is cut short by the death of Celestia. They must now recover the stolen elements, but it's a race against time. Will they succeed and will the daughter of Celestia make a difference before unknown forces claim not only their lives but their history as well?

I'll finish the submission form once I figure out how to share a folder, if possible.
>> No. 112789
Well the training grounds failed to come through for mso I'm hoping to get more useful help here.

Equestrian Century Alicorn Gundam
Words: 9990
Tags: Adventure, Crossover, Human, Dark, Sci-fi

Synopsis:
A regular plant-gathering trip to the Everfree Forest leads Twilight Sparkle to the discovery of a lifetime. Ancient ruins containing the remnants of a civilization long dead and mroe surprisingly a survivor of the now extinct people, a human. The human's presence raises many questions but it also brings danger.

The force that desrtoyed humanity has been hiding and waiting to scour Equestria like ir did aeons ago, the only hope for the planet is the human and a secret weapon called Gundam.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lQPSk1V9aPr72qWIY_ZcLqZDZwu_TfrHdlvFEijOq_8/edit

Also in addition to the review and help you might provide I have a couple specific questions/requests.

Do you think I need to ad an Alternate Universe tag? Shining Armor is going to be a major player in this and I think the crystal ponies storyline will destroy any attempt at making it work as anything but an AU story even though it's canon up to the end of season 2.

Also, can you help me with my synopsis at all, I alwasy have trouble with those.
>> No. 112790
So I've never gotten a review here before, but I'm not in any real rush to put this out (I'm still trying to find someone to commission for a cover image), so I figured that some feedback would be useful (Especially on the synopsis, which is terrible because I suck at writing synopses).

This is written in a very experimental style for me, but I haven't heard any really terrible feedback yet. Feel free to change that!

Title: Tired
Author: Ebon Mane
Word Count: 6106
Tags: Sad, Slice-of-Life
Synopsis: Pinkie Pie has known her five closest friends for over half a century. Though the distance between them has grown, Pinkie does what she can to prevent them from drifting away: tea with Rarity, a drink with Rainbow Dash, a few words with each of the others. It’s not as lively as the parties she threw when she was young, but the friendship makes each day together magic anyhow. She works as hard as ever to put smiles on the faces of each of her friends in turn, because when the smiles come less frequently, it just makes each one that much more precious.


Comments: Be as brutal as you'd like.
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>>112790
Even I am not good enough to review a story without a link, Mister Mane.
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>>112794
AHAHAHA.
>> No. 112804
>>112794

Then I guess it's a good thing I included the link in the submission form.

I'll pretend I was interpreting the rules incredibly literally ("You will put your title, author name, word count, and synopsis in your post") instead of completely forgetting the most essential part.
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>>112496
Apparently, Mr. Kahakispony requested my assistance through an intermediary. I am not sure if this is some elaborate ploy or a legitimate request but, should he decide that my opinion is of worth, then I suppose I can spare some time out of my day to reiew this work.

I await your reply on this matter, Khakis.
My Email has been added in case you wish to do this in a more private setting.
>> No. 112860
>>112794
>>112798
Heh, I knew it was only a matter of time.
Samurai, he who I can call 'master'; I bow in honor of your visit.
Ion, your liveliness is always a welcome sight.

>>112804
So long as its on the submission form, you are golden. Speaking of which...

I just want to let everyone know that SLP will be somewhat occupied in the coming days, meaning I'll be handling all reviews unless stated otherwise. So, expect the review flow to slow somewhat, but I shall do my best.

Scribe, you're up first. Expect your review very soon.
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>>112804
My humblest apologies, I was only trying to ensure that you had not been overlooked.
>> No. 112866
Hello mister ion Sir. I am currently typing tis from My iPhone bug yes i dos tell garnot to ask his old e connections yo review my fic please go on. Ps fuck iPhones autocorrect.
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>>112866
I say.
Well, I suppose I shall, then. I do hope your reply to my upcoming review utilizes a more... agreeable system.
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>>112701
Notes in Gdocs.

Let’s start this review marathon by seeing how much Scribe has improved since his last story.



Alright, first off, the story still contains SDT issues, though I’m glad to say they are slight when present, and rather uncommon in this particular fic. The story is simple, short, and quite insightful, though not exactly ‘thought provoking’. Nonetheless, for what it is, it is quite good. I must say Scribe, you’ve quite improved since your last stories. The narration flowed nicely from point A to point B, setting events into motion, expanding on them—albeit in a somewhat tellish manner—but one that fits the story well. You then conclude the story by both stating that names do have a correlation to marks and talents, but at the same, time, some talents go beyond the surface, beyond the norm.

This part I feel could be expanded even further to dwell even deeper into this question. However, as it stands, it is a nice ending, not too open to leave readers expecting another chapter, but neither close enough to be considered the end-all of the matter.

Punctuation was well done save for areas I commented on, and I found little to no grammatical error to speak off. Again, SDT still seems to be the main issue this story bears, but I’m sure you’ll soon overcome this hurdle.

I’ve got nothing else to say; a short story that was rather sweet and holds great potential if expanded.

Final Verdict: 8/10

>>112596
Peppermint, you're next.
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>>112870
Thanks. Your help is always appreciated.
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>>112496
Before I begin, do keep in mind that you, quite explicitly, asked for this. I am merely performing my promised duty at the expense of my time and, possibly, your self-worth.

Also, do keep in mind that I only read a little more than a third of the way through the first chapter of the story. I simply could not muster the interest to continue on with it. I will also forgo any specific problem points in the story itself since those have been marked in the document and instead merely focus on my pseudo-intellectual review.

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A potato is many things. Bland-tasting, dirty, unpleasing to the eye, possesses an unappealing texture, and amazingly adaptable. This humble plant is the cornerstone of just about every meal. It can be mashed, sliced, chopped, fried, baked... If there is a way to prepare food, chances are the potato works with it.

Your story is not a potato.

Oh, it is bland. The descriptions are drab and utilitarian, devoid of any meaningful insights or clever wordplay. They convey a meaning and nothing more, just like a virgin potato would fill your stomach yet leave you feeling just as empty as when you started.

Undoubtedly, it is dirty. Mistakes pepper your story like sauce stains on a white shirt and, just like said stains, they should be apparent to anyone that has given the story even a moderately thorough read-through. Double punctuation marks, incorrect punctuation of dialogue and some obvious formatting errors are all present, among other issues.

Indeed, it is unpleasing to the eye. The characters do not "pop" into the mind's eye so much as they slowly deflate when exhaling the stale hot air that is "speaking". The uninspired dialogue causes my eyes to droop like molasses from a spoon. There is a notable lack of feeling, like they're underpaid actors spouting lines from a script in the hopes of finishing rehearsal early so that they can sit on their ratty couch and catch the tail end of some blue collar sports programme at home.

Finally, it most certainly has an unappealing texture. Awkward exposition, repetitive descriptions of events or objects, a focus on the mundane, slow pacing in the first act and an uninteresting opening hook all contribute to the problem. What you’re left with is a bumpy and mottled story that seems to be going nowhere fast for the first several pages. If it does ever pick up, I can’t comment on it, since the beginning did its best job to keep me from ever wanting to find out.

Ahh, but there is one last point, that of adaptability, isn’t there? Like a potato, anyone can make a plot, no matter how incompetent they might be. It really is quite easy; all you need is a destination. A chef, however, can make it into a work of art. Its bland flavour means that it can be easily incorporated into any meal. The dirt can be scoured away to reveal the nutrient-rich skin. Its unpleasing look can be stripped off to leave a glistening mass fresh, malleable body. The uneven texture can be worked into the meal to provide new sensations in your mouth. With enough talent and imagination, you can do much the same to your story.

Hard work and perseverance help, yes, but one of the best ways to learn how a master chef makes a potato is to taste the potato. Let it excite the senses, to show what you could be capable of if you are willing to put forth the effort. That is my advice to you, to go out and see what writers better than yourself can and have done. As is, you could submit to Equestria Daily after editing out the rough patches. If you’re lucky, you’ll get one of the less attentive pre-readers and squeeze into the queue, but you should prepare yourself for a life on the streets of FimFiction. I’ve heard it’s not too bad of a place, this time of year.

Your story is not a potato, but it is very similar to one.
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>>112921
Well, Ion has spoken. Kakhis, I failed you...

Samuria will take your work, but you'll have to speak to him directly. I'll send you an message with his info.

>>112596
How do you know you’ve read a good story? You know when it makes you think, makes you feel, makes you wonder about its message beyond the words written and the thoughts given.

Peppermint, your story came very close to doing this, and the only other author who has ever done so is Skirts, who is no doubt a genius. You present a tale that is not only unique, but nearly flawless in execution. I’m sure many of my peers will disagree—and for completely valid reasons no less—but I do not lie when I say that once fixed, this story—whether you choose to continue it or leave it as a one-shot—is very damn good.

Keep in mind this is all my own personal opinion, and in no way am I claiming it is correct. Others might find fault. If they do, then I heed you listen to them. Everyone has their own set of opinions, and unless they are downright hateful, they deserve to be heeded.

But of course, you’re here to hear what errors I’ve found. Rest assured, I had to double, check my work to find these, but I believe they are quite adequate. Here they are:

-Smoother scene changes and transitions
Reading your story, I couldn’t help but feel that some of the transitions came off as jarring, incomplete, and sudden. You build a up scene beautifully, then suddenly shift into a new thought or even an entirely new location without giving much of a hint of it coming along.

If I may, I will suggest you take your scenes and add some type of dialogue option that show a new scene is about to transition. It doesn’t have to be major, and the subtler ones often work best, but just keep this in mind when attempting scene changes.

-The narrator (sparrow) sometimes uses language that, while not wrong, sounds a tad too advanced for a simple tour guide.
This instance is simple enough; either bring Sparrows vernacular down a few rungs or give him a bit more of a scholarly background on top of his tour-guidance. As you have him, he tosses some rather advanced words for someone of his social class without much explanation as to why. He needs to sound the part of a tour guide. Yes, he can be clever and he can have a peculiar dialect, but make sure it meshes with your initial vision. As the tale progresses, you can increase his vernacular to match his new profession.

-Too much telling, not enough showing.
This happens to be your biggest downfall in this story. First person tales have to balance their nature as a medium that is ‘told’ from a character’s perspective with the fact that to readers, being ‘shown’ what is happening in any particular story is what will be draw their attention. Your entire story revolves around the ‘tell’ medium, as Sparrow seems to recall from some point in the future. If you are going with this, then you need to ensure that active scenes are given description.

A good example of a location that would greatly benefit from the ‘show’ medium would be when Sparrow meets the young mare with blue eyes. Quite a lot happens, including the boat going over a fall. Here, you should change gears from a telling medium to a showing medium. Expand the scene to show the reader the events as they happen. That will guarantee complete engagement of anyone who reads this piece.

-Formatting.
Some extra spaces are present all through the story, as well as the rather jarring lack of section divider. You could also use a bit of indentation to show when new paragraphs begin within larger works, as well as overall font equalization. Dashes are used incorrectly, leaving jarring spaces that should not be present, as well as a handful of odd punctuation instances.

-Detachment from the world.
This is another rather big point for your review, and I’ll explain why. As I read the story, I couldn’t quite get into the emotions and the characters because of its style. While it works on certain parts, the whole story feels distant and impersonal. Again, too much telling and not enough showing, but it’s more than that. It’s that you don’t make me feel much for Sparrow, his narration almost designed to main one at a distance.

Of course, you can then argue that his narration is as such for a purpose; that as a reaper, he’s SUPPOSED to keep you at a distance, which would in turn translate to his narration. He has no time to build up a close relationship, for he knows well that its moot since his job is to led the dead to the other side, and creating close links with said dead is not only unprofessional, but will only result in pain down the line.

My suggestion is that you find a balance. Be personal and direct towards the intro, where he has more to make his life whole. Have him gradually become distant, and then have him end completely distant from the world and the reader, for he’s not a reaper, and he knows his place in the grand scheme of things.

That about covers all of your issues in this story. The rest is praise.

The plot is well put together, very though provoking, and very unique, just the kind of story I look for and adore. Your characters, while distant, are adequate, though you could really use expansion on their personalities. For a one shot, they are passable. Was this a longer story, I would expect them to be given proper personalities as soon as possible.

The narration—while again, somewhat distant—fits surprisingly well with the tone of the story. As suggested above, consider making this distant feeling a result of Sparrow’s new profession rather than just the way your narration is structured.

The imagery you present fits in well with the subject matter, but again, there is this feeling of cold distance, which might or might not be intentional. If it is, then I give kudos, for it fits down the story. If it isn’t, then I would suggest you find some way to fit it into the later narration parts as way to show just what kind of world Sparrow now resides in.

My final thoughts go with the very ending. If I believe you hinted at what I think you did, then you need to make it a tad more obvious, yet vague enough so that readers have to really think to get it. Also, the very ending should be left as vague as possible. From what I know about my mythology (don’t quite me on this, for I might b wrong), psychopomps could never gaze into the great beyond. Sparrow shouldn’t have been able to do so either, even if he is a just soul. In the chance that I’m wrong (which is entirely possible given my track record) then have him see what awaits him rather that what awaits the pony he’s led. Vagueness is your best friend here; make people think about the other side, make them wonder.

With that, I leave a great piece. Address everything I’ve pointed out, and you might just be looking at an incredible piece that goes miles beyond anything a first-time writer in this fandom could do. Those of you who aspire to be great writers should take a few notes from Peppermint.owl

Final Verdict: 9.5/10

Easily the best work I’ve seen so far.

Peppermint, I would encourage you continue this story. But do so in a unique matter.

-E.D. Garnot
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There's two problems which are closely related with your narration.

I'm going to post each narrative text you have around your dialogue, and post (no text) if there is none.
Sweetie Belle groaned
Rarity whined
Sweetie cried
(Rarity, no text)
Sweetie groaned
Rarity began
Sweetie Belle said
Rarity shouted
Sweetie moped
Rarity added
Rarity mumbled
she(Rarity) squealed
she(Rarity) growled
she thought
Rarity exclaimed
she(Rarity) asked
Rarity said
announced Sapphire Shores
Rarity squealed
she(Rarity) managed to mumble
she(Rarity) asked
Sapphire said
Rarity squeaked

>Sapphire simply shook her head. “Listen here girl, and I’ll tell you a secret. All of those designers you mentioned are entirely overrated.”

A LINE WITHOUT AN ACTION TAG! GOD I MISSED YOU SO!

The above was after 2 pages of dialogue (and after you went back to never touching action tags again) You literally add a 'said' tag to almost every single piece of dialogue in your story. It changes the dialogue from being the most interesting part of the story (which is typically what dialogue is) to being something that reads in an incredibly grating and annoying factor.

On top of that I need to point out that you have lots of small grammatical and punctuation errors. I pointed out some, but I didn't bother to point out all, since that's what proof-readers (not reviewers) do.

This grating manner of said tags is not what has really been making your story receive the reviews it has, but only a half of it. The other half is that you do absolutely nothing to make your characters likable or interesting. Sweetie Belle complains, Rarity says no, Rarity obsesses over the dress she's making, but in all of that there's nothing that makes the reader care. Also sapphire shores' characterization is flat as a prairie, and she's too much of a Mary Sue good guy.

The amount of editing required to change up your dialogue attribution is enough that I'm suggesting a rewrite.

You start your story at the wrong place, and it falls flat because of it. As a suggested alternate start, start with the Cutie mark crusaders crusading. Make them do something interesting that immediately draws the reader into the story, and have a small mini story of whatever crusade they do to kick off the story. Later, when sweetie belle is offered to go to canterlot and be trained to sing, rather than seeming like a spoiled brat who throws an amazing offer in someone else's face, the reader will be reminded that she's leaving her friends. Currently you just have a line drop about them, but since they are not in the story it's meaningless. Make the reader see their friendship, then threaten to drive a wedge in it. Characterize Rarity as someone with good intentions, but for the wrong reasons. She thinks that sweetie belle taking this offer would be the best thing because sweetie belle will get to go to canterlot and become famous, rather than being stuck in 'quaint old ponyville'. Maybe even show how unaware she is of how sweetie belle feels with a line after sweetie runs to her room along the lines of "Sweetie, you're embarrassing me in front of a very important client."

Have you seen Brave? The mother is a prime example of a character who has the best intentions at heart, but goes about them wrong.

If you like this idea and decide to run with it, avoid making this opening too long. You want to get to the meat of the story.

My suggested alternate start is just the most obvious way to begin this story to me. Whether you choose it, or something else is up to you, but considering how much editing you would have to do in order to fix the dialogue tagging problem, and you'd still be stuck with a story with plot issues, I'd suggest a rewrite (at least of the first half of the story) that has a better setup and beginning.

Hopefully it goes well, and feel free to submit it to the thread again if you rewrite it.
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>>113029
That should be "A line with an action tag"
derp
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>>112921
Sorry if this is a bit late but there was no way I was going to try and type this on my retarded phone. First To you Mister Ion I have to say, that's it? Not to piss all over your parade but that wasn't soul crushing or even really hateful. C'mon man let's really let loose here. I at least expected to be a little hurt by your review but I'll be damned if the only reaction I had to it was, meh time for some more changes. All in all, if I may quote Full Metal Jacket, "You don't scare me, work on it!" I'll try and add some of that much needed flavor to my bland potato and with some luck and help I may be able to make a half-way decent potato soup but that will have to come with some intense time and effort on my part. I relish the challenge.

>>113029
As for you mister, thanks for the assistance though this is still being a little problematic. The opening includes the players it does because their the focus of the story. I have no intention to bring the CMC in any major role and putting them in just feels pointless. That being said I am going to try and fix up all the dialogue tag problems and the like as well as up characterization and then send it into yet another reviewer that will tell me Im doing it wrong and then the cycle will start all over. Im persistent like that. I'm also going to add scenes in media res to start. Its not going to be a fun round of editing but I'll do it just the same.

If I'd pick any pop song to match my attitude after reading these reviews its this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxV-OOIamyk

>>113012
Garnot stop being so damn dramatic. So you have what we call a guilty pleasure. No reason to get all saddy waddy about it. You're a cool dude and Im happy at least one person liked my fic.
>> No. 113069
[Dark][Crossover]
5582 words

Synopsis: When Agent Overcast from the Equestrian Secret Service is assigned to the Equestrian Mines to investigate the disappearances of some miners, he finds himself trapped in something much deeper than anypony could have ever guessed. Along with Rainbow Dash and Twilight, he discovers that the mines hold a secret. A secret that threatens to unleash a horror like Equestria has never seen before.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OUje-TiXhuwZopvLVkpYWhY8MXo5uF5qfPZETqvXdqE/edit

Submitted after a rejection. Pre-reader rejected it due to "not enough scenery/action" in the intro. I've worked with another reviewer on this and it should be good, but it's always good to have another set of eyes. The other thing it was rejected for was basic proof-reading. Now, that shouldn't be too hard.

Of course, there may be more, but that's why I'm coming here. Any comments left in doc are comments that I think may help whoever picks this up.

Please and thank you.
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>>113067
Your story was too boring to bother getting angry about.
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>>113075
Then it looks like Ill have to make it less boring so you can get angry about it then
>> No. 113106
>>113012

Thank you so much for your in-depth review! I'm not going to lie, I was terrified I bored you to death and was going to receive something scathing, but your highlights have had me twittering with glee for a couple hours now! I would have responded to more of your notes in Gdocs, but they basically all would have said how I agreed with you.

I agree that transitions need to be smoother, and I think that was an artifact from trying to keep it a one shot. Instead of giving it a snappy pace, I think the story suffered for lack of detail.

The narrator's vocabulary is always something I'm vaguely aware of but still struggle with it at times. I admittedly have a pretentious writing style (and I speak the way I write, if you can believe it!), so that's entirely my fault from unconscious habits. I'll need to go through with a fine toothed comb for that.

I'll also work on the showing aspect, although I think I'll have the most trouble with that while editing, and I'll retrain myself on dashes.

Sparrow's detachment was half intent, half impulse. I've learned it's very difficult to get out of that academic/scientific voice, but I'll try to reinforce it where it needs it and otherwise give more sentiment where he's lacking.

As for the ending...

I actually had to do a bit more research for the psychopomps! It seems that sometimes they could go all the way to the "other side," while sometimes they were strictly guides. The rest of this paragraph is a little TL;DR, but if you're interested, figures like the Valkyries lived in Valhalla, the same destination for chosen slain warriors. The Sybil of Cumae, a mortal priestess, bodily led Aeneas through the underworld. A number of the Greek gods seemed able to pass through all parts of the underworld freely; Hermes would just be going through his uncle's house, after all. At times he was even sent to fetch the deceased. However, there are also more restricted psychopomps. Charon never leaves his boat, nor does Davy Jones- they only transport. Wepwawet, I think, only opened the way for the dead. So it looks like the psychopomp's exact role really depended on what his or her culture needed of them.

Short version--I'll find a balance. Actually, looking into this has given me some ideas on how to approach the afterlife. Thanks!

I think I'll ask for a couple more reviews before I start editing, so I can be as thorough as possible. You've definitely given me a lot of good points to think over though.

And I'll try to not let your gracious praise go to my head!

Again, thank you so much for your time, Garnot!
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>>112790
It’s been a rather long day, things have happened, and old feelings have been stirred. I’m not quite sure what to make of these feelings, or whether or not anything CAN be made of them in the first place, but deep down, I know things happen for a reason.

Looking at the queue, I say this tale, and even before reading the description, it called to me, like a long-lost friend’s call. “Tired”…yes, just the way I felt today.

And so, I read, and I found another great piece that spoke to me. Funny, I’m a very young person, and judging by my family’s living record, one with another good ninety years of life to enjoy. Yet, I feel old, I feel wasted, I feel…tired…

Yeah, it’s a tad cheesy, and maybe even foolish, but I do not care in the slightest. One day like this serves to remind me of where I’m going and what to expect.

In many ways, I look forward to it.

Now then, on to the review.

Here is the rather short list of things I found that need working in your story. Very short, really, as I personally felt you tale was quite well put together. I’ll also admit that the Fluttershy section almost got to me, though I’m far too jaded and heartless to ever actually cry.

Regardless, here’s what you need to work on:

-Vernacular—Pinkie speaks in a matter that is not quite what most expects. Yeah, she’s old, she’s wiser and more mature, but even so, and her language shouldn’t be THAT advanced.

-SDT—this story is completely told from Pinkie’s view, and it revels in its form, telling us readers all of the sights, all of the smells, and all of the emotions. While it is technically not wrong, it does tend to create a feeling of slight separation, which in turn makes the story feels somewhat dull at times. Coupled with Pinkie’s sudden jadedness, it leads to a piece that is quite somber, which is both good and bad.

My suggestion to you is to strive to make certain parts slightly more active without ruining the narration you’ve presented thus far.

-Flow—certain scenes could use a slightly smoother flow, but it is quite a minor detail to be honest. Feel free to ignore it, as it would not affect the story majorly.

That’s all I’ve got to say. A great read, quite powerful in while being rather simple. A perfect show of age’s inevitability and the acceptance of it, a lesson that should be heeded by all.

As for you synopsis, why not try this one for size?

“Growing old.

Most see it as the end of the road, a sad fact of life to be feared and scorned.

Not Pinkie Pie.

Though age has claimed her youth and her vigor, it has brought wisdom and understanding. She no longer tosses parties and grand celebrations, but she continues to do what she’s always been best at—the very reason for her existence:

make everypony smile.”


Yeah, not my best work.

-E.D. Garnot
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>>112778
Your fic is grossly over 10k words, and you should have only posted the first chapter if you had bothered to read the rules.
"6) If you expect us to review anything over 10k words, you better hope we like it, because we won't review it if we don't."
This rule is for things that stretch the 10k limit, not things that blatantly break it. The second thing is that your document is not commentable, and is a file rather than a document. I'm going to reject this based on the fact that it broke more than one rule, but feel free to resubmit it in accordance with the rules.
>> No. 113356
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>>113069
ah, a crossover that doesn't feel like a crossover. I'm still not even sure what it's a crossover of! Which actually makes me happy more than anything.

The two issues I found were description (which you asked me to look at) and characterization.

Typically when describing a setting, you don't want to take too long, but you also want to clearly paint the image. You also want to continue actively fleshing out a scene as it goes on. A good example of actively fleshing out a scene is when you had the mine boss reaching for a bottle of cider under his desk. It's the little details that you add in as part of what happens, that changes the background from just being a background, to feeling like part of the story.

When first setting a new scene, I spotted a place where everything was out of order. I'm more or less going to repeat what I said in my comment there, but just like with actions, or dialogue, you want scenic description to have a logical order to it. You described ponies carrying things about the town, taking them to the store houses and into the buildings, but this description felt weak because I couldn't picture the ponies doing these things without trying to picture the buildings they walk into, or the road they were walking on. You want to start with the big details, and then the small details. In the scheme of a town, this would typically go like this.

Surrounding landscape > architect of the buildings > in-town landscape (noteworthy buildings or structures) > land (grass, roads, dirt, stone) > people walking around in the town

Describe settings big to small. Describe the first thing that becomes apparent upon looking at the scene, and work your way from there.

The second point was characterization. It by no means was bad, just very mediocre. A hallmark of good characterization, is making the reader feel like they know the character. This in turn makes them care about what happens to the character, and makes them like the character.

Overcast is at times stern and broody, and other times bashful. You need to close the distance between the two, and make your character consistent. The main thing about the characterization though, was that you tried way too hard to hint at Rainbow Dash wanting in Overcast's pants.

>Rainbow Dash and Overcast were supposed to go to a dance together at flight camp, but Overcast couldn't make it.

The fact that they were supposed to go on a date is really all you need to hint at them. You have several lines where Dash simply seems far too interested, and it comes off as borderline desperate.

Going back to description, the voodoo zombie spike ponies:
Your first encounter with them is brief, and your characters don't get a good look at them (which is good for building suspense) but at some point along the story (where exactly, is not clear to me) your characters get a good look at them. You should take a moment, possibly in bits in between action, to really give a vivid image of what these zombie ponies look like. Is their flesh flayed? Their lips torn off, revealing their pearly whites? or do they just have the wounds that killed them? I was under the impression whatever curse or influence they are under made them batshit insane, and they self mutilated themselves with their spikes (ala, reavers of firefly).

Your description of the mine shafts, and explanations of 'oh, if we go down to the sixth level and go across it, there's a maintenance elevator on the other side that can take us up the the third floor, where we can take the main elevator back up' could use more understandable explanations, or simply explain it in parts as it happens.

"Sixth level?" Dash said, "We want to go up, not down!"

Overcast let go of the rope. "There's an access elevator on the other side of the sixth level that runs all the way up to the third floor."

"Okay, but what then?"

"We should be able to operate the large, main access elevator on the third floor, and have it take us up to the surface."

I'm sure you have how this works figured out in your head, but the way you try to tell it on paper is difficult to follow and understand. Currently it takes a moment to re-read the section once or twice to understand what's actually being said.

All that said, I did enjoy the story a lot once it hit its stride (once zombponies showed up). A shipping part of me wants to ridicule you for shipping rainbow dash with an oc (you, like, just don't do that, man) but if you make it organic and real enough, and take it slow, I could let it slide, and maybe even enjoy it.

Best of luck with EqD,
Soundslikeponies
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>>113356

Cool, cool. Sounds like you enjoyed the story well enough. Thanks for the review.

> ah, a crossover that doesn't feel like a crossover. I'm still not even sure what it's a crossover of! Which actually makes me happy more than anything.
As discussed, it is a Dead Space crossover. But I guess it's good that it's not painfully obvious. I hope to have a lot of fun with it.

> You have several lines where Dash simply seems far too interested, and it comes off as borderline desperate.
I am blind to the shipping fire. I did not mean to get so close. I'll back it up a bit.

The plan to escape... I meant to make it sound hurried and not quite clear because they're trying to run. But I failed. I'll make the plan clear.

After going in and clearing the comments (I have) and describing the necroponies in addition to describing the plan, I'll get this off to EqD.

Thanks for your help!
>> No. 113385
The queue is open, right?
>> No. 113398
>>113385
yep
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>>113398
Thanks
Title: A Heavy Crown

Author: Fullmetal Pony

Tags: Sad, Romance

Characters: Cadance

Word Count: 3972

Synopsis: I'll tell you a story. It's a tale about a unicorn with wings. I'll tell you about the Princess that kept her alive, the filly that taught her to care, and the stallion she loved. This is her story... it's my story.

link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L-YDdQXu-NGrZZWzXeQU3GT5MeYb3GMjghxTAcDIGmY/edit
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>>112789
This piece took longer than it should have, part of the reason having to do with its length (which just barely misses the 10k mark for this thread). However, due to its size, it remains quite a long read, and in the case of this story, length works against the overall plot, as it causes it to stretch to levels that, quite honestly, would have made a standard reader up and quit. This problem is compounded by various other narration and plot errors that cause the story’s flow to come to grinding halt and become a rather tedious and boring.

As is usual of my reviews, what I say is solely my opinion, and as such, can either be heeded or outright ignored. This being my thoughts, they are liable to be wrong. As such, I would encourage you seek other reviewers opinion besides my own.

With that out of the way, let’s get on to the list of errors this story bears.

1. SDT
Your story suffers from multiple cases of SDT. You strive to present details to the reader, yet you do so by telling your reader what they need to be paying attention to, rather than showing a scene and allowing those intricate details to shine all of their own.

Here’s an example: “Spike sheepishly picked up his quill and scroll before following after Twilight as she vanished behind a curtain of vines”
This statement is told to the reader, yet it should be shown. Rather than stating that spike “sheepishly picked up his quill” show Spike be sheepish: give him a facial expression that demonstrates this, have him perform a physical interaction like rub the back of his head or crack an embarrassed smile, maybe even have him blush. The rest has only need to be slightly modified. Rather than telling us that spike followed Twilight, again, show it. Describe how he totters after Twilight, describe his pace, his method of moving. Is he causally following after her? Is he jogging in an attempt to catch up? Is he full-on sprinting, sweat dripping down his brow and breaths short?

I suggest you go back to your work and look at all instances similar to this. Find better ways to show events without having to resort to telling. Tell only when absolutely necessary, and even then, make it as subtle as possible.

2. Inconsistencies
Your story showed a lot of inconsistencies when it came to delivering its narrative, though most are small yet noticeable. Some examples would include Zecora’s speech (one of which doesn’t even rhyme), Spike’s sudden changes in mood, suddenly going from fear to rage without giving him time to actually show said changes in his expression, Twilight sometimes acting like a filly one moment, then suddenly reverting to her old self (which admittedly, should happen as having her be like a filly is, while not 100% incorrect, not very agreeable with certain scenes) and most of Ponyville suddenly going from “oh no, an intruder! Everyone point and scream” to “He’s out of sight, therefore, he is not out of mind” without even giving them time to show the gears in their heads spinning.

My suggestions are for you to go back and look over these instances and try to make everything as consistent as possible. Have Twilight act either professional (recommended) or an adventurous filly (not recommended at all).

3. Dry Dialogue and Descriptions
Your dialogue suffers from dryness. While it technically isn’t wrong, it fails to convey emotions and sometimes even ideas. Your characters speak yet they do not communicate. Here’s a good Example: “Good morning, Twilight and Spike. Are you ready for our morning hike?”
“All ready, just show us the way.”
“Very well, so let us go. Follow close and do not be slow,” Zecora recited.

Twilight nodded. “Alright, stick close, Spike, and this will be over before you know it.”

“If it was I’d still be in bed,” Spike grumbled as Zecora led them into the depths of the Everfree Forest.


The dialogue in this instance is very, very dry. It doesn’t convey emotion nor does it even seems to show much physical interaction. Twilight has just greeted Zecora, who doesn’t so much as make idle chit chat (which can be somewhat rationalized by them attempting to get going as quickly as possible) yet het tone rings neutral all around. There is no emotional descriptor nor is there anything that even hints at possible feelings. It’s just bland.

My suggestion is that you go back to all instances of dialogue and see if you can do anything about adding emotions to your dialogue this actually brings me to my next point…

4. Lack of Description at Crucial Points
This one is self explanatory. You write and write, yet many times, you completely forget to give us more than just the basic details of a scene, especially if that scene is an important one. A good example is the reveal of the ‘statue’ down in the Evefree ruins. This scene, which is no doubt the most important scene in the entire chapter, felt anemic. You need to add more details, more descriptions of the ‘statue’. Give it grandiose words like ‘monolithic’ or ‘titanic’; make your readers feel the size, the sheer power the ‘statue’s’ very presence no doubt imparts on creatures that are but a fraction of its size.

5. Sluggish Pace
Another note that should be self-explanatory. Your story strives to give us this massive chapter with information that would be welcome, was it presented in a more dynamic matter. Your very introduction and the subsequent parts in the Everfree drag on longer than they should. From there, your narration becomes little more than space filling while a new scene is presented. The scenes hold little value to the story, and move it at a slow pace, one that will make most readers give up after the first few pages.

My suggestions—nay, my imploration—is that you take your scenes and descriptions and tear them down to their basics. Be efficient as to what you put down, and always keep in mind that your next words, your next lines of dialogue should move the story forward. Increase the pace, remove what feels unnecessary and redundant and work the rest of the story into a beat that you can dance to.

6. Dry characters (with Occasional Instances of OOC)
Yet another thing that makes your story disengaging is your characters. I’ve already covered this ‘dry dialogue’ but I felt it necessary to put this as another issue; your characters often act quite dryly. They often don’t emote, and when they do, they do so in ways that just makes them feel like mannequins. Some characters also show taints of OOC, like Twilight acting like a filly in a situation she knows well that she should remain concentrated in (the ruins) and Zecora playing a barebones role, as well as pulling a cart to town when, she’ not liable to have a cart in stock to begin with (and likely wouldn’t pull one as she shown to). Even Spike who is likely the most fleshed out of your characters suffers from dryness, as his words often don’t carry much emotional meaning behind them, his lack of physical expression at times compounding the issue further.

7. Dry Narration
This one is simple, yet very complex: your narration, just like the characters you’ve written, comes off as dry. There is no wittiness nor is there anything other than a bland feeling all through the story. Parts that are meant to feel awesome or are supposed to illicit humor fall flat.

My suggestion is easy: go back and add more flavor to the story. Make every word carry meaning and every action stand for more than just ‘he did x’.

8. LUS
Another simple yet awfully complex problem that saturates your story: LUS—Lavender Unicorn Syndrome. You use terms such as ‘the unicorn’ and ‘the dragon’ when you’ve already introduced your characters and have no need to. Simply using the character’s actual names will be sufficient to get the idea across, and it will save you considerably effort as well.

9. Repeated Words
Not must to say about this one other than you use words one too many times. It becomes redundant and leads to story stalling. You need to go back and make sure you don’t have extra words when you don’t need them, and make sure you cut back on redundancy. The key is that if it feels redundant, then it probably is.

10. Too Long for its Own Good
This is probably your story’s greatest downfall: It’s far too long for its own good. The dry narration makes reading almost 10K words (which could itself be enough words for two chapters) a rather difficult task. I won’t lie when I say that on several occasions, I was tempted to end the review then and there. I endured however, till I got to a point where all errors I had already pointed out simply repeated, hence where I stopped my comments unless something truly jarring popped-up later. You need to go back, pick what HAS to be told and work the story from there. Split it into manageable chunks and work on refining those. Once you have a hang of that, then move to expand the chapters. Combined with everything I’ve listed, you’ll have a great story that will be accessible to the average reader at first, picking up once the plot does, and manageable for you.

With that, I end this rather long review. I cannot help you much with the synopsis, as that might need reworking. There is fine thread that can help you out however. Seek their services using the list of review threads. As for this tale's tags, I would go ahead and use "Alternate Universe", but I would first wait to see how you can fix what I've pointed out.

This tale has potential, but you’ll need to do some refining before said potential really shines. In all honesty, I feel your story can be made SIGNIFICANTLY faster and more engaging if you were to drop the 'human' right out of the story and instead focus on the machine itself, it's legacy, and only hint at its former users via recorded messages and a few vague vids.

Feel free to re-submit after this has been significantly altered.

-E.D. Garnot
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>>113439
First I'd like to thank you, Garnot, for taking time out of your busy schedule to give my bloated story a read and review, I was worried I wouldn't get a response for a while but I guess that's my fault.

As to the errors you pointed out *sigh* I guess I was too blind to my own problems for my own good. I was trying to do something unexpected rather than the three most common ways to make an FiM Crossover with a war-drama series: Human Vs Ponies, Contemporary setting with similar setup (ala Fallout Equestria), or a fusion fic of an existing Gundam series, my idea isn't fleshed out enough in the first chapter to really convey what I want going on but I see your point that no one's going to want to stick with this long enough to find out what's going on.

An outline would explain things better, but Iet's be honest, no one cares about the outline.

In all honesty I thought I'd fixed the LUS and SDT stuff recently but it seems I haven't even begun to fix my problems with that, I'm probably trying to do too much at once here and in my desperation to avoid the first instincts of a crossover with a war drama series I've made it all but incomprehensible.

As for the dry narration, well I tried to make it more flavorful but I was told not to characterise the narrator, because doing so misleads the reader, guess I took that much too far.

I don't know how I messed up the characterization so badly, I wish someone had pointed this out before but yeah everythign you said about that was correct. As a personal statement (you didn't say this I am saying this) I have zero grasp of the characters in the show so maybe I'd work better with an All OC cast, of course if I did that there wouldn't be much point to making this fanfiction so I'm kinda stuck in a corner.

Lack of description, this is a major issue I can't seem to fix, whenever I try to add in description everyone says I'm using purple prose, yet I never know how to trim it down enough withotu eliminating the description to the point of lacking, or not taking out enough to remove the purpleness.

repeated words... I don't know how to fix this and I wasn't even aware of it until now.

PAce and length, yeah it's too long, this was originally split up into two chapters but I thought that I'd have to spend so much time in the "prologue" plot of the story that people would be unable to handle the huge shift in story events that would occur (last I estimated) 4-5 chapters in.

As for the human... well I guess I jsut hung on to trying to do something unique, as Yatzhee hsa said "there's often a good reason that unique ideas have never been done before" and now I know, this idea is jsut terrible. I could explain the outline and what's going to happen but that won't change the fact that the pacing is horrendous and the human seems drastically out of place, not to mention everythign else you've pointed out to me.

I'm too hesitant to look at the document itself because I know a wall-o-comments if going to smack me in the face and force me to re-live all my mistakes like I was shot with Twilight's memory spell.

As for the suggestion to significantly improve it, well I guess I started off wrong and while making this a historical study story while the characters piece together the Gundam's history and what legacy it could impart would be interesting, I might as well write a Gundam Fanfiction without the crossover, which in this case would just be using the ponies as a cheap framing device to make it a "Friendship is Magic Crossover" when really it shouldn't be. Besides having the planned alien invasion as part of this story would probably make the whole thing stupider.

OK I'm going to stop myself before I put any mroe self-pity in here but in all honesty I don't think this can be "fixed", because being fixed implies that something will remain from the original idea and document. I've re-written this story about half a dozen times, trying to keep a similar theme and plot but now I feel it might be best to junk it all and start over with something different. I could preserve Andrew in some form but that would probably hold the story back from being different.

I thought I did at least one thing right, guess I was wrong again, got too optimistic because most of this wasn't mentioned in my first rejection letter.

So much for not having self-pity in there, well thanks for taking the time to try and help me, lord I need a pizza, or fish and chips, too bad nothing's open this late.
>> No. 113475
You'll have to excuse me, but when my google docs tell me "Public on the web - Anyone on the Internet can find and comment," it's easy to see how I was lead to believe you could comment on it.

I guess I had foolishly hoped you would find it interesting enough to read. But ah well.
>> No. 113477
>>113469
Also, Garnot, please don't be kind, be honest. Tell me the truth that this story has no potential since making all the changes, especiallt the remocing human one, would either result in a horrendous downer ended, or no story at all, just a giant statue and tons of ponies making up what it could have been or stood for.
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>>113475
It's not that we aren't interested in reading this, is that it flies against some of the guidelines set forth in this thread. Your story is 43K words long, which means that if either one of us, myself or SLP, were to take on this story; it would take a horrendously long time to get back to you. If you've notice so far, SLP and I have striven to bring at least one review per day. Taking your story in its entirety would mean one of us having to divert all focus on your tale's completion, on top of everything else we might have already planned. SLP works on his own projects, perfecting them till there is no room for error, and I aid anyone who sends me an email, not to mention attempting to finish my re-write and aiding Nick on his own rewrite.

It is for these reasons, as well as the fact that it usually only takes the first two pages to tell if a story is going to be good, bad, dull, engaging, or outright tedious--though I strive to push to the ends of all stories I take on, regardless of how unsavory they might be--That we chose not to take anything larger than 10K.

As my partner stated, make your story a Gdoc file and re-submit one file at a time. If worse comes to worse, then I'll take on this project myself.

>>113477
Now listen here, and listen well. Self-walling isn't going to get you anywhere. Yeah, your story was dull, plot-wise it was rather underwhelming, and your narration could use a rather large overhaul, but that's no reason to give into despair. Just look at Khakis; his story has been torn left and right, myself appearing to be the sole person to enjoy it for what it is; I can see what he wants with it, I can see the potential and am willing to aid him in whatever way I can. That's one of my virtues, to be able to see when a story bears potential.

Now, I'm not claiming to be right in any way, and God knows I've been wrong more times than I can count. I'm imperfect, but I use my imperfection to shape who I am, not what others want me to be. There are better people out there; there are those who will give their very livelihoods to aid strangers, to aid their enemies if possible—better people than I can ever hope to be. I’m not one of these people, and I will likely never be, but that’s fine, because I accept who I am, what I am.

Yes, your story needs work; but rather than falling into despair, stand up! Use those legs of yours and move ahead! Take what you can from this experience and learn from it, adapt, change.

Your story bears potential, but you have to clear out everything that does not work first. Forget about complexity, start off small and go from there. Never give into self-pity, for it is in self-pity that we find the road to self-destruction. I can see the promise this story holds in the horizon. I can see this tale shine bright, rising from its own faults to face the dawn.
To get there, you need to persevere, be willing to give it your all. Never stop striving towards that horizon, never stop moving ahead.

Or, you could give up, show the world that you don't have what it takes to learn from your own mistakes, that you aren't willing to accept the truth and face what you've sown. In the end, the choice is yours and no one else's.

So, what's it going to be, eh?

Sorry if I went out of character here. Saging for that reason.
>> No. 113557
>>113509
To clarify, I think khakis pony's story has potential in its premise too. I just think he went about executing it all wrong, at least in the beginning.
>>113475
Also, as I stated in my last post, the 10k rule is there to make sure we get around to helping everyone equally, and to make sure the queue isn't backed up by a single fic. The exception to the rule is when a story stretches the word count by only a few thousand words, and the story is interesting. 43k words is grossly over 10k, and it was submitted as a google file rather than a google doc, for those reasons I rejected it.
Just resubmit chapter 1 (by itself) as a google doc, and we'll get to it.
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>>113509
Very well, I will, but first tell me what's wrong with my links? I tried opening it in Explorer and was able to comment on it fine. I mean, it even has docs in its name, so I am without clues pertaining to the problem
>> No. 113564
Here's what the beginning of a document link looks like: https://docs.google.com/document/
Here's what the beginning of your document link looks like: https://docs.google.com/file/

You document is commentable, but the only way you can comment on it is comment on the entire thing. The nice feature of comments on a document file, is you can highlight a section of text to comment on.
>> No. 113567
>>113560

Well of course you can comment on it. You made the doc. But you have to allow other people to comment on it too.

While in your document, sign out of your account and then try to comment. If you can't, then something is wrong. :D

I don't really know what kind of format you're using, but it's not the standard Gdocs we're used to. :o
>> No. 113572
>>113509
I appreciate the comments, but once I've cut out evertyihng that doesn't work I won't have anythign left to work with and I might as well just start a new story with a completely different premise.

Cutting out the human means cutting about about 80% of the plot points that would have been a major part of the story and of coruse that would drastically change the ending and story itself to the point that the story would either be nonsensical or end in three chapters.

Either it's just a historical study of a giant statue shaped like a creature never known before to ponykind that contains nothing but facts and information with no clear end, or the story ends three chapters in when the villains I planned to use show up, kill everypony, level the planet, and depart since there's no way or reason that anypony could conceivably awaken or use the Gundam without degenerating to nonsense again.

That or just make this an even dumper story that might as well be a Turn A Gundam fusion fic involving humans or some lunar republic invading fromt he moon, a while lot of political talk, and turning the machines quadruped which makes it Zoids, a series I have no interest or knowledge in or about.

I need to leave for work now, and skip lunch since I won't have time to get food once I get there now. I honestly don't know how to proceed
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First of all, let me just say I feel foolish for all the mistakes I made. I uploaded the documents entirely wrong to google. Secondly, sorry for creating so many posts and subsequently all those replies. I hope most, if not all, problems have been eradicated.

Let's try this again, one chapter at a time.

The Elements Of Harmony: The Equestrian Crisis Chapter 1: Escape From The Castle (originally uploaded 8th May)

JC Borch

4 chapters, 43.059 words total

It’s been a few years since the wielders of the Elements of Harmony were last together. Their reunion, however, is cut short by the death of Celestia. They must now recover the stolen elements, but it's a race against time. Will they succeed and will the daughter of Celestia make a difference before unknown forces claim not only their lives but their history as well?

I expect harsh and firm criticism of this, as its age reflects its contents. Incredible though how much further I have moved as a writer in three months than I have in four years.
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>>113401
This story was, good, but not that earth-shattering in nature. This is mostly because its narration style makes the story come off as a tad too vague right off the bat. Very little is given about characters, one character even going without getting much description of his own. The very first sequence comes off as cryptic in nature, and that’s taking into account that it is a dream-type sequence. Far too many questions are raised and not enough answers are given for what will undoubtedly be a long series to feel complete. Was this mean to be a mystery-type story, then the vagueness would be more than welcome, but as it stands, it just raises far too many inquiries, and proper answers are not given.

Here is small list of errors/issues found on your story:
1. Certain sentences seem to get cut off shorter than they should
The narration, for the most part, feels as if it gets cut off at inopportune moments. While this can be chalked-up to the character’s manner of speaking, it still comes off as a tad jarring. Sentences are too short for their own good at times, and quite often get cut off when they shouldn’t.

My suggestion is that you go back and make more usage of semicolons, dashes, and commas to show pauses without having said pauses completely disrupt the narration.

2. Overall feeling of vagueness (and not in a good way)
As stated earlier, your story seems to revel in its vague nature. First, the dream sequence, then the description of characters (which aside from the narrator—and even then it is bare-bones—it all but missing), and finally the nature of the environment. Very little is expanded upon, and what should be given special attention is often not.

Again, I am fully aware that as a first-person tale, the idea is to show the viewpoint of one character, and in that regard, this story does a good job. However, adding that extra deatail to make the world feel more alive would do wonders to draw the reader in and ensure he/she stays there without issues.

4. Some descriptions feel a bit dry
Finally, when descriptions are given, they feel rather dry and underwhelming. Again, this is due to the nature of the story’s narration, being first person. But the character feels dull all around. She needs to impart more emotion to her tone, have her voice feelings about her surroundings, the events happening around her. A prime example of the dryness is when the character more or less attempts to do a slight analysis of the dream she’s had. It is already vague enough as is, but she makes little attempt to REALLY analyze it. I would figure she would pace around a bit as she attempts to piece her visions together.

The dryness however really becomes clear in the ending stages, when there is a shift to that other character and her situation. Not only is this scene ripe for description, it is also ripe for exposition. The queen does emote more than the characters previously shown, but even she has plenty of room for improvement. Have her truly be desperate, seeing her ‘subjects’ suffer under the ‘famine’. Have her intentions be both malicious yet relatable. As a queen, she has to weight her actions between serving her ‘subjects’ and being her malicious self. Both of these can mesh together well, and can make her more than just your simple villain. That’s my advice to you.

As for the rest of the story, pace was fine for the most part, as it struck a fine balance between telling and showing. That isn’t to say certain parts felt rushed. Couple with the vagueness I mentioned earlier, it results in a story that isn’t all it can be. The premise is there, the idea is there, you just need to make sure the reader feels your world.

While not the best of starts, it is a start. I look forward to seeing what you can do to make this story less vague and more engaging. I also look forward to the next chapters of a story that shows great promise.

-E.D. Garnot
>> No. 113680
Resubmitting and requesting SLP this time.

Synopsis: Bored with high school, Lyra's life changes when she's brought to Equestria and turned into a mint-green pony with a magical horn bulging out of her head. After an embarrassing incident, Bon Bon decides to help Lyra adjust to life as a pony.



Chapter one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RbahWiTAo5hs7agHgG6I-y8aaHW7b_v7zg493SrueMQ/edit

FimFic link (older draft): http://www.fimfiction.net/story/12225/No%2C-you%27re-a-unicorn.-Now-act-like-one!
>> No. 113739
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>>113680
The two most noticeable problems with your story were shorthand and purple prose. The former is more crippling than the latter.

Purple Prose:
Your story doesn't have purple prose in the typical way most stories do. Your word choice and descriptions aren't overly flamboyant, but the way you choose to order actions, pick sentence structures, and describe certain actions in a roundabout way leads to your narration sounding 'writerly'. The most common offense, is misuse of the said tag preceeding dialogue structure, which shouldn't be used outside of where it's appropriate.

Inappropriate use:

Jane opened the fridge and said, "Would you like me to go to the store and pick up some eggs?"

Appropriate use:

"Josh... I'm pregnant."

Josh blinked twice slowly, swallowing the lump in his throat, and said, "Well... fuck."


The most obvious and apparent use for this sentence structure is comedy, where the delivery of a joke is extremely pivotal around word choice, phrasing, and sentence structure. This kind of dialogue attribution should not be used simply to inject some variety into your dialogue attributions.

Similar to the above, you often describe actions in a wardbacks manner. it's like backwards, but I-- oh, nevermind.

Before describing a series of actions, try to group them chronologically, and form sentences out of that.

Bon Bon wakes up.
Bon Bon goes downstairs.
Bon Bon opens the fridge.
Bon Bon sees that Lyra ate her carrot cake.
Bon Bon is filled with unspeakable anger.

Taking these point form events, we can form sentences in a coherent, and clear manner, combining two ideas where appropriate.

Bon Bon cracked her eyes open, squinting as rays of sunlight shone onto the bed. Getting out of bed and stretching, she made her way downstairs. The steps creaked in the silent house as she walked down them.

Walking into the kitchen and opening the fridge, a wide smile spread across Bon Bon's face. She'd left a piece of Carrot Cake in the fridge, barely managing to rescue it from Lyra's gaping maw the other night, and an early morning sugar rush sounded like just the thing to start the day.

Her smile faded though, as she continued to look in the fridge, ducking her head low and high to look for where she'd put it. Glancing to the counter, she stiffened, seeing an empty plastic container with little bits of carrot cake dusting the bottom of it.

"Lyra!"


"Woah, that's long."

Yes, it is. Which brings us to our second point.

Shorthand:
You had several places where you did what I call 'gray zone telling'.

>Lyra failed to realize that, even though they were both mares, the horn on her head gave her the power to be the father of Bon Bon’s children.

Wow, you introduce and kill a pivotal idea all in just one sentence. It's also telly, and an information dump that should quite clearly be shown through dialogue between the two.

>Gazing out the window, she chuckled and thought, I've wanted to meet a human ever since I was a little filly, and now I found one.

Again, show this through her reaction, not awkwardly placed thoughts. Thoughts, or characters talking to themselves, are always a gray zone type of telling. The reason I call it gray zone telling though, is because it isn't inherently wrong. In some cases, this kind of telling is appropriate. But many (half or more) of the instances where characters thoughts show up in our story, you should be showing the ideas presented by their thoughts through action, not direct thoughts. It winds up being the same difference between:

Lyra was sad.
and
Lyra's lip quivered.

There's a few places (which I pointed out with comments) where you'd benefit greatly from expanding on something that you only mention in passing. (The way you mention some of the things I pointed out only in passing feels out of place, too.) Try to avoid compressing more complex ideas to only a couple sentences, as it makes your writing feel rushed.

When, after, then, before
These words that express events in relation to each other should be used very sparingly. Proper sentences which are in chronological order, will properly infer how events happen in a timeline.

You have a good premise to work with, and the sequence of events is alright, you just have to work to make your writing more seamless and easy to follow.

The story idea has potential. I hope you keep working at it.
Soundslikeponies
>> No. 113760
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>>113596
Let's get started on this review. Notes are on the GDoc file.

The biggest problems with your story is a lack of connection to your characters, far too much telling rather than showing, and the plot growing somewhat nonsensical once the two lores this story is based on are brought together.

Here is a list of errors found in your story.

Keep in mind that what follows is my opinion based on your story, and as such, it is liable to be wrong. I in to way claim my word to be correct.

-Formatting
You need to make sure formatting is consistent. If you’re going to use indentation, then make sure it’s half an inch in length. I also notice several instances where you do seem to use indentation, but do so improperly. Not entirely sure if this is because you transferred this from another file source, or if you didn’t go back to check everything was even.

I strongly suggest you run through tour document and give it the proper formatting.

-LUS
You provide introductions to characters that, for the most part, are already established in the fandom and need no intro to speak off. It brings the narration to stop and provides redundant info as well as extra wordings that makes your chapter carry on longer that it needs to without actually providing information that is crucial to moving your plot forward. You need to keep in mind that sometimes, less is more.

Unless you are going for strictly OC characters or established characters that have seen significant changes, then you need to avoid using overt descriptions.

-Characterization
Your characters feel weak for the most part, even when they emote. This is because your characterization comes off as very weak in its nature. They don’t quite provide the drama needed to really sell the character nor do you give enough information to really get an idea of what they’ve gone through at all, even if those events are played out. A prime example is the demise of Celestia You do not provide enough physical description or even metaphysical description via character thoughts to show the sorrow the mane six are undoubtedly going through. Worse, you alter some characters in ways that may not quite fit the story well, Like Pinkie, who goes from mostly quiet (where she should be the one to try and liven things up a bit) to killing a pony without so much as showing the gears in her mind. She should have been angered at first, which should have then been replaced by horror at her actions. I also find it odd how the mane six, ponies who up to that point have never dealt with death, face it with such acceptance.

The next issues is that you use too many ‘she said/he said’ instances without expanding on neither the physical interactions nor the facial expressions that would make and sell the characters. This ties directly to your lack of characterization and you need to make sure you expand on it. You need to add physical emotions on top of what is told by the characters. Give your readers reasons to feel sorrowful when the situation calls for it. But remember, keep it simple. Sometimes, simple phrase is enough to get an idea across. Rather than going out of your way to say the poor filly feel down, her legs unable to move from the sorrow… using simple phrase as in that moment, she fell down, tired…is far more powerful.

-The plot is somewhat nonsensical
Your story starts off rather beautifully, but then devolves into a mess of mixed stories (that of Oblivion and MLP). It’s hard to imagine the situation unfolding as it does after the jail scene, and while you attempt to keep elements of both stories intact, you lead to some odd mixes of both that don’t always work as intended. A good example is the very intro of the jail scenes, when Celestia admits to Luna’s possible demise. Such news would be earth-shattering to the mane six, yet they don’t seem to show much emotion to it. This plot point leads to convulsion, because if you recall, in Oblivion, the death of Septim is viewed as the end a possible end to the empire and a sign that dark times are ahead. In MLP, the death of Luna (and Subsequently Celestia) would mean not only the possible end of the kingdom, but also the grave implication that Celestia and Luna weren’t as omnipotent as they first appeared.

-Celestia
Celestia appears to be a bit out of character for the duration of her appearance in the story. While this can be chalked up to the situation at hand, her tone should remain more composed than is portrayed. Also, a lot of her dialogue is just transcribed from Septim’s, and it feels jarringly out of place for her.

My suggestion is that you give her a tone of urgency and possible dread while maintaining her regality and grace. Remember that Septim was composed and well-speaking all though his part, Celestia should give off an air of command rather than act as frightened as she appears. I also suggest you take what is said by Septim and tailor-fit it to Celestia’s vernacular.

-SDT
You use far too many instances where you outright tell the reader what is happening around them or what they should be paying extra attention to. A good example is down in the caverns:

“The air down here was thick and musty and the stench of decaying and rotten wood and flesh was overwhelming. Crude lamps burned and allowed for at least some degree of light down here, enough for them to take in the barrels and chests and sacks cluttered around. There were also a few crates here, but all of them had been smashed open and their content looted long ago.

The descriptions here are all told to the reader. This isn’t the way to get them engages in your world. Rather than dump the information on them, use characters to show the world. Have then converse and bring up their surroundings, the smells, and the tightness of the air. Give in doing so, you’ll not only be fixing your SDT problems, but you’ll also give your characters exposition and emotions, which they lack up to this point.

The rest of your chapter then feels rushed, especially towards the end. You got to a point where you could have handsomely ended the narration and moved on to the next chapter, but you kept going instead, and the result was that it had a rushed feeling all throughout. What follows is often choppy words and sentences that don’t quite mesh with the rest of the narrative.

My notes should point out these instances, but I would strongly suggest you go back with a fine comb and edit out what you don’t need, expand on emotions when necessary (which is quite often).

As for the rest of the story, the plot moved nicely at the intro up to the point where the mane six head to the dungeons after that, it felt as if you tried everything possible to emulate the game’s feel rather than make up your own version of those events. This was what caused your story flow to suddenly halt, and then grind forward in a slug’s pace. Action scenes are blow over in favor of external descriptions rather than personal views, which would have expanded the narration and given emotions to all characters. Again, you need to find a way to balance all the description you are giving the reader with a sense of connection with the characters and their feelings. Describe through dialogue when possible, resorting to narrative description only when necessary, and even then, use the viewpoint of characters to convey feelings.

This tale has potential. The plot is there, and so is the conflict. All you need to do is make the story more personal than just an outside narration that holds little emotion. Make the reader care about the events before, and your story will shine.

-E.D.Garnot

I should let everyone know right now that starting Monday, I’ll be away on business. My partner, SLP, will be handling any and all reviews that arrive after Sunday 12:00 am Pacific time. If anyone wishes for a review (as if anyone would request me) then do so ASAP. Otherwise, I’ll see you all on Friday of this coming week.
>> No. 113815
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I might as well submit this and see if it's ready to post somewhere too. It's a little ~3000 word one shot I wanted to submit and I might as well use it.

Title: I'll Sweep You off Your Hooves
Author: Alexander-Crossover
Word count: 3296
Synopsis: It's just like any other party in Canterlot, except this time Frederic is a guest rather than a member of the ensemble.

With the evening to himself it may finally be his chance to confess his true feelings to the mare he has long held feelings for but if he can't work up the nerve he may miss out forever.

Have at it
>> No. 113832
>>113760
I think the issues you described got better as the chapters went along, but I can see how badly I need to go back and edit this. Thanks for taking your time and for all your suggestions. May I repost here once I am done?
>> No. 113834
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Please to be reviewing my latest oneshot. Please not this has not gone through any editors, and I finished it a little over an hour ago. That said, let's get down to bidness.
Title: Lone Black Train
Author: Bronius Maximus
Tags: Sad
WC:2662
Desc: Applejack takes a train to see her parents.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18WcsYN4oSofTX258XvxPLO1K03p4BtiItAQNitRZD9U/edit

whichever reviewer wants to take a stab is fine with me. Also, Adventure time is best non pony cartoon.
>> No. 113894
>>113832
7) You are not allowed to resubmit the same story unless it has been drastically rewritten.

If it is not drastically rewritten (ie, practically a whole new story) take it to another review thread.

AS A WARNING TO ALL:
I've been lax on this rule, and I'm beginning to remember why I put it there in the first place. I'm going to start rejecting fics as I see fit, if they have already been reviewed by one of us, and have not been drastically altered.

This rule could be paraphrased to: NO RESUBMISSIONS UNLESS IT'S A REWRITE

And I'm going to start enforcing it more, since it's becoming a problem.
>> No. 113895
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This is ridiculous, I'm usually more patient than this. Maybe it's just that I've never put this much care into writing before, or maybe it's been a week. Wow that was whiny, let's try that again.
I sent this to the Training Grounds and to Kurbz/Lunarshadow, but the Training Grounds has a huge queue, and it doesnt even show up in Kurbz/Lunarshadow's queue, so I doubt it will bet looked at anytime soon.

For your consideration, respectfully.
Title: Showmare
Author: Bleeding Raindrops
Word count: 5436
Synopsis: Trying to forget her past, Trixie has been on the move for two years. When she stumbles across Ponyville, she will have to explain herself to old adversaries.

I've been bouncing around with the synopsis for a while; I just can't seem to get it right. Any help with that too would be appreciated.
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>>113834
Notes in the Gdoc File

Also, yes, Adventure Time is best non-pony cartoon.

Well, judging by your rather…rushed post…I was expecting this story to be less than meets the eye.

I’m glad to say I was proven wrong—for the most part.

Now then, not much in the way of pointers and errors, but here’s what I found.

Keep in mind that his is my view on your tale and in no way reflects that of my partner’s nor anyone else on /fic/ Being human, I am liable to err, so take what I say with a grain of salt and apply it if it fits your goals, or ignore if it goes against your ideals.

-Dull narration
Your story, for the most part, feels a tad dull. The narration is a bit uninspired, and up until the boarding of the train, a tad boring. I’m glad to say it improves towards the end, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the first few parts, particularly the intro paragraph, could use some spicing up.

I’d also like to point out that Applejack’s narration feels off. It’s not quite wrong, but I didn’t quite get the sense it was her speaking. My suggestion is that you go back, see a few clips on how Applejack speaks and see if you can add that type of speaking mannerism to improve your tale’s immersion.

-Some SDT
While this is a fist person story, and you do manage to balance showing versus telling for the most part, some portions do tend to get tellish.

The best example I can think of is during AJ’s trip in the train. Some parts, like when she brings up Dash and Twilight, could have used recollection of memories complete with dialogue to really paint the image well. Do this and you will expand on your story while negating what few SDT issues are present.

-Pauses in odd locations
You tend to use commas in places that are odd, and you neglect to use em-dashes and semicolons when they fit best. True, semicolons are a tad tricky to use. Just keep in mind they are there to unite two sentences that share some common ground. Think of Semicolons like toll stops between roads; you have to pause, pay your dues, and then you can move on. Dashes are similar, but they are best viewed as taking different roads that lead towards the same destination, at which point they end or merge back to the original road.

-The story’s premise isn’t that difficult to figure out
Right off the bat, soon as I read the title, I had a good idea of what this story was about, that’s because I know my lore. Soon as the name ‘Charon’ gets dropped, I instantly knew what was happening, and the story lost a large chunk of its mystery and possible sadness.

My suggestion is that you make your terms vaguer. Make it seem as if she’s just taking a train. Omit all the early symbolism of darkness and black trains and ‘light in the dark’ and so on, as well as the obvious description of Charon’s look. Have him be well dressed, for, he’s often seen in this matter when he’s taking the place of the great hooded one. Only towards the end should you reveal the conductor’s name, the purpose of the train, and the fact that AJ has…well…‘met with a terrible fate’, so to speak. Toss the reader a curveball and really mess with their mind; that’s what will make this story powerful.

That covers my review of this story. Overall, not a bad read, if really predictable as is. Taking into account that this subject matter has been done several times already, your story doesn’t quite stand out. Make it a total screw-mind trip however, and this tale will shine bright in the dark.

and with that, I end my last review till next Friday. Should I not return (due to accidents or any other unforeseen event) it has been a pleasure.

E.D.Garnot
>> No. 113943
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>>11383--where the hell is the thread post?
Damn it, Nicholas, I'll forgive it since I know that Ponychan was derping when you submitted.

So the fic is already published and featured, and I had a helping hand in writing the fic, so I don't actually know how helpful this review is going to be.

We spoke prior to this review about comedy one-shots whose joke is their synopsis, and the one shot itself is just beating that joke into the ground.

This fic was only barely not that. It lacked proper elements of comedy variety, and while the jokes varied a bit, and had different tempos ranging from the punchline to the slowly escalating joke, every single joke in this fic was about "hoofin' it"

On the bright side, it means your title very accurately captures what the fic is about.

When people accuse a show of being just fart jokes, or just sex jokes, the reason it's an accusation is that it points towards a lack of creativity. The thing that seperates the average sitcom (queen of the hill or something) from the great sitcoms (that 70's show, Seinfeld) is their ability to have their jokes stretch and cover all sorts of different material effortlessly.

Your one-shot stopped just a little bit before the kind of joke it kept using grew tiring. I just wanted to warn you how close to the line you were.

The two most noticeable flaws in the fic were the dialogue being reader informing, and the jokes being only a mild level of clever.

Clever jokes:
This is something people debate until the end of time. But there are things that any person who is familiar with humor can agree aren't very clever.

"How to figure out if something is clever"
It's quite simple. If the joke is the first thing that came to mind, it came to mind quickly, the circumstances required for the joke aren't very complicated, or other people have done the same joke, then it most likely isn't very clever.

Your story is similar in premise to the opening of Let's Find You a Date!, which I'm going to use as an example because I still struggle to find out which movies you have or haven't watched.

In Let's Find You a Date, the beginning scene that was the same idea as this entire fic (at the core of it anyways) was only a third of a page long. As I wrote it, I fully realized how unclever it was, but it served to grab attention, and cut the joke off rather quickly.

Some people still groaned about how predictable and cheesy it was in the comments. And I agree with them.

So in future comedy,
A) Don't drag out a joke too long.
B) Don't use the first joke that comes to mind, because it usually isn't very clever.

Reader informing dialogue:
This is something that tends to make me cringe wherever I see it, since it generally speaks of laziness.

>“Hehehe, this is so wrong... mmmm, but so good... I can’t wait to tell Princess Celestia I tried this...”

>“But what time is it, though? Three-thirty? I should probably finish up soon, then. Oh, but another half-hour can’t hurt....”

That's an awful lot of words coming from someone who thinks they're alone. Everything she said was clearly placed there for the sake of informing the reader.

>“But perhaps we should go check on her. Of course, we’ll have to listen in to make sure she’s actually—engaging herself, as one might say.”

An example of reader informing dialogue, which very unsubtly foreshadows what they plan to do.

This is why I hate about 50% or more of inner character's thoughts I see in reviews here. Dialogue that serves only to inform the reader is another type of gray zone tell.

Before, now, when, then, after, suddenly
These words that express events in relation to each other should be used very sparingly. Proper sentences which are in chronological order, will properly infer how events happen in a timeline, but generally speaking, never use sudden. Ever.

Now I know this is all of a sudden, but you had mentioned submitting this to EqD, but I just wanted to first mention the reality: there are many fics like this, and they may reject it based off unoriginality. It all depends PR opinion on the matter, and how many fics like yours they have actually accepted. If they haven't accepted many, they may choose to take yours on and feature it.

All in all, it's a decent comedy. Not clever enough to draw laughs from more veteran humor enthusiasts, but clever enough to draw laughs from your average reader (and the reader base in this fandom happens to be below average). I'd say submit it to EqD, and who knows, maybe they haven't already taken many like it.
>> No. 113947
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>>113913
Thanks for the time!

All the criticism as far as grammar and odd punctuation, I'm working on, but luckily I've got a few pre-readers whose only job is to grammarize my work. They haven't seen this yet, as you could probably tell.

Just a couple things I'd like some further clarification on:
>I’d also like to point out that Applejack’s narration feels off. It’s not quite wrong, but I didn’t quite get the sense it was her speaking. My suggestion is that you go back, see a few clips on how Applejack speaks and see if you can add that type of speaking mannerism to improve your tale’s immersion.

I'd only omitted some of her mannerisms, because I figured the way someones internal monologue sounds to them is different from the way they speak, and I didn't want to make her too redneck-ish. I suppose however I could add in some country, because I will admit I do get a bit wordy, sounding more like something Twilight would say than AJ.

>-The story’s premise isn’t that difficult to figure out.
Originally, this wasn't supposed to be a mystery story or anything, and I intended for those current on their mythology to pick up on Charon immediately. The only problem I think I'd run in to moving his name to the end, would be how to have AJ bring it up organically, without just asking some variation of ' hey you, whats your name?'

I suppose I could change the title, and leave out the fact that the train is black until the end. I understand what you're saying in regards to keeping it a mind-screw, so I'll take this to work and try to revamp it a bit and make the ending a bit more surprising. if I did, would it be a no-no to resubmit it to this review thread?

Anyway, thanks again Garnot!
>> No. 113953
>>113608
Sorry, if this comes a bit late, just saying thanks for the review and the advice.
Just one question:

>one character even going without getting much description of his own

Who?
>> No. 113957
Hey. This question is a bit more for Sounds just because I know him a bit better and I know he has some experience on this issue.

My cute little FlutterDash one-shot has turned itself into an episodic novella, currently 10k words or so and needing another couple thousand to even finish the first arc. How do you go about executing chapter breaks?

Right now I'm looking for a moment that's about 5k words from the start of a chapter, resolves a reasonably major subconflict, and leaves a twist for the reader to deal with. Fortunately, this has worked pretty well so far even without much conscious planning.

But when I open the next chapter, I need to get the reader back up to speed. Maybe they set my story down for a while, or maybe I made them wait for an update. And I have no idea how to tell if I'm doing it right.

Any thoughts?
>> No. 113977
>>113953
I might have made a note on that in the GDocs. If it's not there, then if might be an oversight.

Regardless, the characters that goes without much personification and description is the 'husband'. You could do with expanding his persona so the reader feels more attached to him as an individual rather than just another character.

>>113947
Technically, yes, it would be a no-no. However, if it is significantly re-written and edited and new story elements are shown, then it eligible for another go-round, this time by SLP.
>> No. 113978
>>113977
Well it probably won't be tweeked enough to make it a whole new story, but would you care to elaborate on the points I brought up earlier? any suggestions you may have?
>> No. 113981
>>113977
hmm, I tried that before and that was not suggested by another reviewer as it broke away from the actual story
>> No. 113992
>>113978
Gladly.

The first suggestions I have is that you do give AJ a southern-belle type accent, complete with any accent marks that might go with it. The idea is to give her her own mannerism, even if she's narrating. However, I will admit that certain people sound differently in their minds than they do when they speak out-loud. Take me for example, even though I speak English on the outside, in my mind, I tend to use certain Spanish words (Castilian-Spanish being my first language). What type of accent to settle using for AJ is up to you, my advice merely being that you give her a manner of speaking that lets readers know 'oh, I'm seeing this from this character's point of view'. Avoid being too wordy and have fun with the dialect.

As for you second point, my suggestion is that you begin the tale as if AJ is boarding a simple train. Have it seem like nothing is too out of the ordinary. As the train ride progresses, start dropping hints here and there either via exposition (as you have in the story) or subtle observations. Finally, have the reveal occur, at which point all of the hints you've been dropping come together to form the full implication.

Finally, the best reveal Charon, at lest in my view, Is that you do so either via:

A
Let AJ work the details out and put two and two together, not quite dropping the name, but seeing him as the 'ferryman' of the river Styx (which she could then recall having read with Twilight, thus tying back to her time being tutored).

or

B
Via conversation either with Charon himself or a passenger who happens to know more than he/she shows. You can even have Celestia be the one to do the reveal, Charon greeting the princess, at which point she calls him by name.

That's my suggestions of course. Be creative on how you do the reveal, though I still stand by the idea that the reveal (for everything) would be best saved at the very end, thus creating the mind-screw.

>>113981
Well, the suggestions isn't to outright give him a full-fledged personality if it holds no real value to the story.

What you do need to is give him just the right amount of personification so the reader feels for him while also keeping him vague enough that the reader can portray personality onto him. If you pull it off right, not only will the scenes where he carries his wife to the hospital, but the scene where he holds his baby will prove powerful, for the reader will feel for him, as well as for the narrator (mother).

Alright guys, this is the last reply till I return. If you got further questions, send them to my email and I'll get to them whenever net access allows.
>> No. 114022
>>113957
I decided to write an essay thing on the subject at >>11403. In the second part if goes over what you mentioned.
>> No. 114023
>>114022
ach, I mean >>114003
>> No. 114029
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>>113572
Blast it! My server derped again, showing me posts that are days old as new, and I happened to notice this at the top page. It pains me to see a writer so discouraged, so--compelled by my own good nature--I am extending a helping hoof to you if you would like to take it. I realize your post was three days ago, and you may never see this, but the offer stands nonetheless. You'll find my email in the email field. Just shoot me an email and I would be more than happy to help work out some kinks in your story. If nothing else it would alleviate my heavy conscience.
>> No. 114109
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Dusting off this ol' fic for another go and getting it done. Or at least so I have something to do on weekdays.

Title: Middle Canterlot
Tags: [Normal] [Slice of Life] Maybe? Oh how useless this section feels for the story
Word Count: 56,950 5,117 and then we'll see how it goes*
Synopsis: Azure is a simple mare, if not without her problems. After venturing away from home to try to fend for herself, she's now headed to check up on her younger sister Rose, if only for a place to stay. What she didn't account for was how antisocial her sister's become.

In her quest to show her little sister right from wrong, Azure will have to learn what it takes to make and keep good friends, as well as be one herself. Along the way, the new friends she makes help piece together various lessons of friendship.

Basically, its a series of "episodes"/chapters/short stories, each telling a mostly separate story. Meant to reflect the spirit and style of the show itself as close as possible.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sx9m5MPo6bc6V8R7zugxpxvMHzwrfhodrS_CcOfPcsI/edit


*That huge word count is the total of all review-able chapters so far, but that's way too high for any sane reviewer to take on at once. So I'm just gonna start with the first chapter. If you like it, and it doesn't violate the resubmission rule, I'd like to try to submit the other chapters too. Possibly one at a time.
And if you don't like it, oh well, I can start fixing things up from the very beginning.
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>>114029
> MFW Minjask has a server
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>>114128
I had a server. His name was Bob and he was very polite. I gave him a nice tip.
>Picture is Bob on dress-up day at the restaurant
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>>114128
>>114130
Oh--you all know I'm not computer savy. And I'm fairly certain you knew perfectly well what I meant. Whichever part of the system it is that loads the page information from the site, that is what made an error.
>> No. 114163
>>113262

First off thank you for reviewing my fic and I'm sorry that it took me so long to get around to responding. I found many of the things you pointed out with regard to flow to be very helpful (though I couldn't bring myself to link multiple sentencces together with semicolons).

As far as Pinkie's vernacular goes, I intended to use it to create a sense of distance from her past self and I'll admit that I went as far out of character as I thought I could get away with to create that impression while still making the narrator feel 'Pinkie'. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect vernacular to change significantly over the course of 50 years, but I could see how it might be difficult to reconcile. If you have any specific examples of passages that particularly offend on that count, I'd appreciate it (I'm aware of your comments on the Rarity section).

The rule of SDT is one that I greatly emphasize in most of my recent work and I sort of hate myself for essentially throwing it out the window in a way here. The almost complete lack of dialogue and sensory description is something that I've eviscerated fics for in my own pre-reading, and that's part of why I had so little confidence in this fic when I originally wrote it. That said, it would be difficult to increase the show to a level I would normally consider acceptable without vastly changing the fic. I really do wish I could do more showing, but I feel like if I try to then I'll end up ruining what I've got. The Fluttershy scene in particular relies on that distance for its emotional impact. Do you have any suggestions for ways to keep the melancholy and distant feel of the work while still making the fic more SDT? I think Rarity's scene is one place where I'm quite likely to add more descriptions of character actions.

As for flow, I took a lot of your suggestions on that and I think the fic is better for it. Thanks a ton for those tips.
>> No. 114169
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Title: Spike vs the Marmite
Tags: [COMEDY] [DARK]
Word Count: 3283

Synopsis:


Spike wakes up one day to find that Twilight is missing. What's worse, the only food in the library is some strange brown sludge. A series of quite unexpected events makes Spike wish he had never set eyes on the horror that is marmite.
>> No. 114171
>>114169

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dMpIwXhDjb5YZR37ChhmHtlgqwAJoVwTGw3ody0XGOY/edit
>> No. 114182
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Hello! It's been a while since this story has circulated through /fic/, and due to my recent decision of keeping it as it once was, I'm pumping it back into the system once again. Just to smooth out the rough edges and then send it off to EQD one last time.

So, here's the story:

[Title] Paradise Lost
[Tags] Dark
[Word Count] 4176
[Synopsis]
"A lie begets a lie, and the world must be protected by one."

Skyward Arrows, a simple author on the run from his own city, is faced with a decision that will change the course of history forever. Yet with every power comes a hefty price.

[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TdsANlCc0vmWww6ykXzkjh9tUIMeo0psSARkOsUDI_Q/edit

What I would like input on is if this story needs to be expanded in some areas or if it's good to go with minor grammatical errors.

Garnot, if you don't mind me asking, I would like to request that you review this.
>> No. 114306
I'd like my story, "I'll Sweep You off your Hooves" removed from the queue please.

>>114029
Thanks for the help offer, I sent you an email, but you probably haven't recieved it yet.
>> No. 114328
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>>113895
Let me start off by saying, the google docs coloring is silly and doesn't serve any real purpose. As someone who's acclimated to reading black on white, reading cyan on purple was a bit annoying.

The main issues I spotted with the story were mechanical ones, not plot ones. You had lackluster reader informing dialogue, you had several cases of telling where you should have shown, and you had a quite frequent and inconsistent pattern for dialogue punctuation.

dialogue punctuation
let's get this out of the way quickly.
Correct:
"Great and powerful!" she said.
"Great and powerful," she said.
"Great and powerful," Trixie said.

although it seems like you already know the rules from the couple places where you had it right.

show; don't tell
"Trixie hates this part," Trixie said, annoyed.

you can google a hundred or more great explanations of how this works, so I'm going to be brief.

The most obvious sign of telling is that you're directly stating emotion. Obvious words to tip you off that you are doing this, are:
bored
depressed
sad
happy
cheerful
annoyed
or any other emotion.

The case when it's not telling, is when you make it a -ly adverb, but even that should be used sparingly. Here are just two examples of ways it can be done:

"You found my hat!" Trixie shouted joyfully.
"You found my hat!" Trixie shouted with joy.

reader informing dialogue
You had Trixie's thoughts heavily assist your narration, which is bad. These characters aren't in a story, they're real persons, going through actual events, and anything that feels out of place such as characters talking out loud to themselves about their plans, makes it painfully clear that we aren't in a story, we're reading it. (ie, it breaks immersion.)

The story
The story failed to hit any stride until the end. Trixie's character is slightly inconsistent early on, and the main 6 all act overly stupid/shocked the multiple times Trixie reveals that her bragging is a stage act. I'd say you need to work on making Trixie's character more consistent early on through minor tweaks in dialogue, and you need to really work on the main 6's interactions with her. Otherwise, the story is solid (even if it's a bit of a typical Trixie redemption fic).

I think it'll take a quite a bit of ironing out, but you could have a good story.
Soundslikeponies
>> No. 114331
I'd like to request this one go directly to soundslikeponies. He has reviewed my last story and I want to see how this one compares. I specifically worked on a lot of the problems that were pointed out last time. For the most part, this fic's objective was to help improve as a writer so I'd like some feedback on writing style, and possibly a comparison if you happen to remember my last try, Fate Game.

Title: Black Box
Author: Breath of Plagues
Tags: Dark, Sad, Adventure
Word count: around 3,000 including intro paragraph at the top.

Synopsis: Cutie Marks...Their appearance marks a very joyous and happy occasion for the youth of Equestria, but not all cutie marks are innocent. Some unlucky foals develop much darker natured marks. These young ponies all soon disappear without a trace, never to be heard from again. They disappear to Black Box.
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>>114328
Well thanks for taking a look at it, but the further into your comments I read, the more I began to question your review. Several of your points weren't even well founded, and you seem to have no sense of connection to the character. Literally every thought or dialogue of hers save for one was marked as reader informing dialogue and unnecessary. I mean no disrespect but I simply can't imagine a story without dialogue, or reader information for that matter. That's all a story is is information, and If I simply narrated the whole thing the reader would be even more disconnected, it would be like the opposite of talking heads.

Also
>the main 6 all act overly stupid/shocked the multiple times Trixie reveals that her bragging is a stage act.
Well they didn't figure it out in the show, even though it was blatantly obvious there too.

>I don't recall Spike even existing in that episode
You can't possibly be serious. Come on, you're tugging my wing here. Spike was 50% of the episode, he was in every shot. Go watch it again if you don't believe me.

Again, I mean no disrespect, but I can't find anything in this review well enough founded to take into consideration. The only thing I found actually helpful was your punctuation corrections, which were very appreciated.
>> No. 114394
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9.831 words

A good 16 years before the return of Nightmare Moon, another fantastic event occurred in Canterlot. All it took was one human who discovered the secrets of ponies, a zealous guard that would do everything for his country and a Princess who only wanted the wellbeing of her people.

Hello again! My posting here once more is a sign of my gratitude for the response I got on my last submission, and while I work on that, I would be grateful for advice on another fanfic. However, what I bring with me now is something quite different.
>> No. 114395
>>114352
>Several of your points weren't even well founded
I misread and mismarked a few lines due the questionable and glaring combination of blue text and a purple background.

> Literally every thought or dialogue of hers save for one was marked as reader informing dialogue and unnecessary.
You're using literally incorrectly, and that's because almost every thought Trixie had in your story was reader informing dialogue which made your story read somewhat like a cheesy Saturday morning cartoon where characters announce everything they do (which doesn't translate well into writing).

There's a reason I noted it as one of my two main points, it made your story read lamely.

>Well they didn't figure it out in the show, even though it was blatantly obvious there too.
You missed the point. It's not the fact that they didn't know it's the fact that rather than act like:
"Wait... so all that was just an act?"
They acted like:
"Wait, that was all just an act!?"
the overly in "overly stupid/shocked" was there for a reason.

> If I simply narrated the whole thing the reader would be even more disconnected

Ironically enough, I have a fic in the works that's 3,300 words of pure narration and it's received good review from noteworthy writers and reviewers.

You seem to have misconceptions about how you make a reader connected to a character. You don't do it by telling them what the character is thinking at all times, you do it by showing who your character is through your characters actions. If anything, this thought telling will distance readers from your character, rather than make them feel more connected.

Lyra walked to the top of the hill with a rose in her mouth, her eyes bloodshot and puffy with bags beginning to form under them. Reaching her destination, she set the rose down and smiled, swallowing the lump in her throat.

"Happy anniversary, dear," she said, staring at the tombstone.


There's an art to wordless communication written in words.

It's hard to convince anyone that something is stylistically bad if they use it in their own writing. But go pick up a published novel. Game of Thrones has no character thoughts for at least the first 40 pages if I recall, Airborne (which is in first person) has 1 in the first 100 pages, Good Omens has none in the first 150 pages.

Or did you really have trouble connecting to Harry Potter because you didn't get to see what he was thinking every other page?

Stephen king writes horror, where it's most imperative that the reader feels the chilling suspense about what's going to happen to the character in the story, yet he rarely uses thoughts.

I could go on and on, but my real suggestion is to just try looking for a (good) book that plugs character thoughts more than once a page, and see how hard it is to find.

No, that story that got on EqD is not a reference, I mean a published book. Consider EqD's standards for writing a "C-".
>> No. 114397
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I wanted to write an HiE in which the character wasn't transported to Equestria through the standard "portal to Equestria opens for no reason" bit. This is the result. It definitely needs a grammar and spelling sweep, but I'd love to hear your critique on the plot as well. Bear in mind that this is very incomplete (it's probably only around 1/25th of the overall length).

1) Title: The Network

2) Tags: Dark, Human, Adventure

3) Synopsis: Dreams are among the most deceptive events we live through, but who's to say the "reality" we wake up to is the truth?

4) Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17bTXppAG-ltLsSy9Z0gj1TetHz9Wl2gNvRyVUVAHRfA/edit

5) Word count: 6,000, give or take a couple hundred.

Looking forward to it!
>> No. 114398
And... freaking Google Documents won't save. Link is derped temporarily, I'll try to fix it.
>> No. 114404
And fix'd.
>> No. 114410
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>>114109
I couldn't find too much wrong with your writing aside from an awkwardly worded sentence or two. You have your mechanics down soundly.

Aside from the small suggestions in the comments, the only real weakness I could find in your story was how long/uninteresting the beginning hook was. Once your story came to the 'bet' between Azure and her sister it hit its stride, but prior to that, you start your story with a two paragraph info dump on Canterlot and what middle Canterlot is. This information would be better interjected somewhere else in the story, or trimmed down in this chapter to a brief summary, leaving more of the details to other chapters.

What your story is missing is a beginning spike of some kind of tension. There's potential for this with Azure hitching a free ride on the train. Maybe have a conductor notice her, and then cue a brief chase scene in which she manages to get away, bumping directly into her sister.

As it currently stands, you have ~2000 words before your story gets interesting, which is a huge hurdle.

The opening 2 to 3 paragraphs of a story are the cornerstone on which most readers judge whether or not they're going to like the story (if they don't think they will, they set it down and pick up another) and you have to try your hardest to immediately pull the reader in during this time.

To do this, try to come up with an opening sentence that can stand out on its own. One of my personal favorites is Stephen King's Gunslinger.

"The Man in Black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed."

The alternative to immediate action, is intriguing description.

"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." - Neuromancer
"All this happened, more or less." - Slaughter House Five
"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen." - 1984

Considering your start, and the mood of your story, I'd suggest trying for the latter.

"Middle Canterlot was just that: not the best, but not the lowest."
... or something.

Anyway, work at the beginning of your story, trim it, try to make it more engaging, don't rely on the reader reaching the classroom, give them reason to.

Aside from that, the story was quite polished. Good job.
Soundslikeponies
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>>114410
>the story was quite polished.
I should hope so, after like four reviews prior to this one. Thanks.

Gonna set out on trimming up that beginning right away. Kinda had a feeling it was a little wordy, despite this being the shortest chapter.

I know, I shouldn't worry too much about chapter word counts, but its just something that bugs me, seeing inconsistencies like that.

Anyway, would you be opposed to giving the next episode/chapter a look once I'm done these revisions? (I'll submit it to the queue separate of course, if you're willing.)
>> No. 114428
>>114413
sure.
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>>114395
Thanks. As much as I hate the "Go read a book" comment, because so many people use it as an argument, it's actually a decent suggestion this time. I've just realized, it's been over six months since I sat down and read a good book; ponies seems to have sucked my life out of my life, if that makes sense. anyway, I kinda figured out what you meant during our confusing debate in the Doc, so thanks a bunch.
>> No. 114592
>>114109
>>114413
Well in that case...

Title: Middle Canterlot [Episode 2: So Much for an Apple a Day...]
Tags: [Normal] [Slice of Life]
Synopsis: (For episode 2)
Azure comes down with a weird disease that messes with her magic, causing random and increasingly wild effects.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-kD3YPWq1KuTPGGISzmHNEJ5k5ge8T_pY4B6MwxuHII/edit

Shortening the description due to redundancy.
>> No. 114812
Garnot's trip has been prolonged, so the queue is temporarily closed until Monday so that there won't be too much backup for us to work through when he gets back.

QUEUE IS CLOSED
>> No. 115121
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Well, I’ve returned from my week-long trip, one which was extended due to an unforeseen injury. Won’t be walking for the next couple of weeks—that much is certain. But at any rate, that’s not what I’m here for; I’m here for reviews. So, without further ado, let’s get started.

Spike Vs. The Marmite was a rather unique piece to read after an entire week devoid of pone. I must say, it was quite amusing, if somewhat predictable and cliché. The story could have used from a bit more build-up, especially before the big reveal. It could have used a bit more suspense, which could have then been used to build upon the comedic nature of this story, and it could have used just a bit more exposition to really make the slightly nonsensical world shown really shine for what it is.

Here is a short list of errors I found.

1. Your narration feels awkward; lively, but awkward. Here’s what I mean. Many parts of the story work fine in a third-person view of the events. They lead up fine to what you’re attempting to portray. However, the narration feels far too personal to be considered ‘third person’. This is strange because writers are encourage to give their narration liveliness, but in your case, the personality imparted feels as if it comes from Spike rather than a narrator persona. To that, I point two instances. The first is right after spike meets the ‘being’ for the first time. You drop this little gem:

If there was a national competition for sighs in relief, what Spike proceeded to do would not only have won him the gold medal, but also broken the world record. Maybe Celestia herself would have a statue erected as a thank you for blessing Equestria with such a magnificent performance.

This bit feels almost as if its Spike’s inner monologue rather than separate narration. There is nothing wrong with the actual contents, just the fact that it feels as if it would be best used as something that Spike would comment on first hand.

The next one comes later in the story, and it deals with Spike running into, and realizing that the pony he’s spoken to isn’t what she appears to be:

Imagine, if you will, a bunny. Imagine a lush, green field for this bunny to play and frolic in. Now forget about the field, because a giant, sharp-toothed, flame-spitting dragon just burned it all down. It is now heading for the bunny, intent on getting some dinner for its eager hatchlings. The poor mammal has to get back to its hole within seconds or it’s toast.

Again, another prime example of a scene best reserved for Spike’s inner thoughts rather than outer narration. Nothing with its contents (matter of fact, it is quite brilliant) but the delivery could have made it more powerful, and personal.

My suggestions is that you either give your third person narrator more of a personality (as in, an actual narrator) or outright change your story to be first-person.

2. LUS. You use a lot of LUS (Lavender Unicorn Syndrome) instances when it would be best to simply state the character’s names. You’ve already introduced them, and the grand majority of your readers will be more than used to the names (which are common knowledge) so you don’t have to use descriptors such as ‘the dragon’ or ‘the unicorn’ to get the description across.

3. You use parenthesis statements that, while they do add flair to the narration as a whole, once again makes the story appear as if it would be best used in first person narration. That’s because for the most part, you use them as additions to the narration, and often in ways that make them appear as if they are more opinions and witty comments than parts of a straight narration. Here’s an example (also note the missing period after the end of the parenthesis statement):

As if there was a pack of wild dogs waiting on the other side, Spike slowly opened the door and immediately entered a defensive stance (if covering your face in fear counts as a stance) Nothing happened. He carefully opened one eye, and sure enough, there was nothing there.

Notice how the statement feels as if its better fit to be from Spike’s POV rather than told by narration. You need to consider parts where narration best flows from the events, and use parenthesis when your narrator is shown to have a personally, use them sparingly, or use them when the narration comes from an individual.

My suggestions is that you either roll the parenthesis sections right into the narration itself, or change the overall narration format to be first person to best use this witty and insightful comments.

4. Punctuation is odd at times. Not quite enough to detract from the story, but certain choices could do with work. A good example is you ellipses. In some occasions, you use only two ellipses when three are needed, and you also get the order of punctuations wrong. You put questions marks before ellipses when you have to put then after the ellipses.

That about covers the issues I could find. The rest of the story was witty, if predictable (might have said this already). The length is good as is, and it gives the reader plenty to work with, especially since things go from silly to surreal mighty rapidly.

What I will suggest is that you go back and look over your punctuations. Work on the story’s narration, either as third-person with dips into Spike’s view, or full-blow first person, which will allow you to pain a better picture of the silliness that Spike must contend with. Fix the rest of the concerns pointed out, and you’ll have an a great little piece.

On a final note, you should change your tags to add [random] and remove [dark]. You story has nothing dark about it; I wrote Equestria Noir (unfinished), so I know dark. Random, your story has plenty off.

The queue remains close till I can catch up with reviews or until my partner decides to open shop again

E.D. Garnot
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Thanks for the review!

I'll see what I can do about the punctuation and LUS and such, but I'm reluctant to change the narrative too much. I don't want to write in first person, nor do I want to leave out the jokes that I am particularly proud of. I'll have to think about it.

The [DARK] tag was meant as a joke for the readers who get far enough into the story. In retrospect, it was a pretty silly decision. I'll replace it with [RANDOM].

Tack och farväl.
>> No. 115149
>(labeled 4 and 5 in the docs)

Hey man.

I told you I'd post these in this thread for you, so here they are.

Author: Nicknack
Word Count: Over 14,000
Synopsis: The "party" / end of S1E05, and my imaginary fallout between Dash and Gilda.

Chapter 4 5
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LvCKRg7Jb-butMCw1jxuHRzy_gpVZKfH-NFUuipDItQ/edit

Chapter 5 6
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtV2Z6JnaTm32st5BXx9H3z5oqA4ohKYohtzj4OuoeI/edit
>(There's a link to C5 at the end of C4)

So, have at ye, when ye have the time.
>> No. 115186
Title - Adjusting
Author - ArcheonZ
Word count - 5284
Synopsis - A young Pinkie Pie tries to cope with life as she learns that getting her cutie mark might lead her away from the life she knows.

This is the second chapter in a series starring each of the mane 6. If you are willing to review the other chapters, please let me know. I would love to have one reviewer for this whole thing rather than having to go find a new one every time.
>> No. 115187
>>115186
DERP. Forgot to post the link.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qztvc-5o6RYmf-WX4qH5nmHCQkTlNoqjFsd4K2vUHh0/edit
>> No. 115189
>>115186
>>115187
A few posts above you we closed queue. You'll have to find another review thread for your work, or wait until we open the queue again.
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>mfw two human fics in queue
Maybe I can leave them for Garnot...
QUEUE IS STILL CLOSED
>>114182

Comments are in the doc. It seems like the thing you mostly need to work on are mechanics and awkward phrases or sentences. Word choice or description was less than stellar in a few places too.

Let's face it: people like reading about characters from the show more than OCs. You should write the story you want to write, but right now I don't think you're selling your story as well as you could be. It isn't made explicitly clear from the first chapter that Day Break and Night Shade are Celestia and Luna, but if they are, you should mention them strongly in your synopsis, rather than talking about the writer. Especially since, well... he dies in a fantastic display of scattering pixie dust at the end of chapter 1.

Usually I have to tell people they're flaunting their semicolon usage, but you were actually flaunting your colon-colon usage. Be wary of abusing anything in your writing; variety is the spice of life.

Everything said, my two main gripes were awkward phrasing and sentences, which from my experience can only be done on a case by case basis, and telling.

Since the former is not too describable in here and the latter is fairly straight forward, I'm just going to leave you with a warning to watch your phrasing/sentence structure, relevant time words, and telling.

A trick to avoid telling is to stop and check every time you use a word like:

Angry
Scared
Sad
Bored
Annoyed
Frustrated

When I reached the letter I found myself struggling to stay awake. I'd suggest trimming it down a little.
Soundslikeponies
>> No. 115271
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>>115125
Well, you don't have to change the jokes per say; they can be preserved. First person though would really benefit the overall mood of the story, as it would allow the reared to think about what Spike is seeing. Third person more or less makes it seem as if it would be fact off the bat (which isn't really a bad thing); first person would provide the chance for reader to either see it as fact, or question it off the bat as hallucinations. It would also allow Spike's characterization to be stronger overall.

Regardless, do what you feel is best. Best of luck.

>>114331
I'll have to apologize right off the bat; SLP was unable to take this story at the time it was posted, so it was handed down to me for review. Now, I know I can't hold a candle to SLP's review, but I do hope I am able to help in some way or form.

This story was…unique in that I thought it was something else at first, but it turned out to be a completely different beast than I had anticipated. It was somewhat dull to begin with, but it gradually ratcheted up, even if this occurred at a time that might have been considered too late for some. Regardless, it’s a somewhat odd read with a premise that, if properly worked upon, will really make an interesting story.

My suggestion off the bat is that you fix your synopsis so it’s a bit more…vague. Not vague in the sense that it leaves your readers wondering, but rather make it vague in its premise, dropping a few hints as to what to expect, but nothing more.

Here are some of the gripes I found present in your story. The rest of the notes are in the doc.

-SDT—you seem to write a lot of scenes with the idea of portraying the world the characters inhabit, and by all means, it works when it works. However, the grand majority of your story doesn’t quite work as expected. Why? Because you tell your reader far more than you show them. The heart of any good tale is in how scenes are portrayed. If you just tell your reader how something works, then you take away that sense of ‘figuring it out’ that creates readers to go back a second, maybe even a third time. While it can be argued that telling can be a powerful tool, it has its place and time—said places and times being in first-person narrations. Telling almost never seems to work in the favor of Third-person stories, for it not only limits the scope of a situation, but it’s a somewhat cheap way of moving the narration forward, for it robs the reader of potential exposition.
Here’s a good example: at the scene where Twilight is ‘playing’ with an orb of water (which is itself a tad silly and under-explained) you state, “Twilight brought it closer to the window. She noticed her sad reflection staring back at her.”
To start with, you give little description about the orb of water, how big it is, and if it’s mostly contained or dripping as she holds it near her face. You then move on to Twilight reflection, which you just state as being ‘sad’. To really sell the scene, you need to give your readers a feel not only for the born of water itself, but show us Twilight’s saddened expression. Make us care for her misery rather than just have it be a mere statement. The idea is to show your reader how characters emote, that way, they can let their imaginations work and create the image. Telling them the emotion is not only counterproductive in this regard, but disengages the reader.

-You use single quotations for dialogue in some instances when you should be using double quotations. You need to go back and double-check all your dialogue (especially twilight’s) to bear double quotations, which is the standard for dialogue in third person stories. I say this because certain sections seem to bear single quotations.

-Redundancy—you use far too much redundant information, a lot of which you’ve already stated. This is mostly obvious in long sections of text, and in some pieces of dialogue. A good example can be found in the early sections of the story, when it deals with Twilight. Some portions are outright repetitions of what’s already been stated earlier. See about fixing redundancy.

-Punctuations—you need to watch how you punctuate certain parts of your story. I won’t list the instances here, but they are present in the notes. Just be aware that you use periods when unneeded and neglect semicolons when they would be more than beneficial.

-Your dialogue feels very stilted at times. Take this example:
“Come on, keep going! Don’t slow down!”

“I’m trying! I’m trying!”

“Well, go faster!”

“I’m not as fast as you Quick Step!”

“Doesn’t matter! Run like your life depends on it Origin, because today it does. This is our one shot at this! We can’t use that trick again, and you know it.”

The dialogue imparts almost no emotion, and for the most part, is given very little exposition of its own. You don’t get a feeling for the danger in the situation, nor do you feel the conflict. The entire scene feels slightly lifeless and rushed. You need to add more conflict to the scene, as well as descriptions as to how these characters are emoting. Sell us the emotions; give us a reason to care for these souls.

The biggest problem with your story however is the story itself; it starts off boring, and doesn’t grow interested till much later. This is a big flaw, as it is very liable to cause potential readers to disengage. You need to grab the reader off the bat, and only after you’ve got them by the collar of their shirts gradually ease them into the rest of your story. As you have it, the storm scene does nothing but set up possible conflict, and even then, it drags. Twilight feels like she’s just there for no reason other than to appease those who demand you have a mane-six member in there.

Now, I’m not arguing she be removed, especially if she plays an important role down the line, but give her actions meaning and purpose. Begin the story HOW you want to begin the story, only after that using characters for the sake of familiarity. I say this because I too fell to those who said “OCs suck, use known characters” and “Won’t read if it’s OC bull”. OC can be used well, especially if they are given realistic emotions and drives. A level of familiarity is always a must, but if you want to tell a story, then tell that story; don’t let other dictate how you write.

I’ve already given you my thoughts in the notes, but I’ll say it again. Use your original premise. Start the story with the bang it had, AND then move to show us the possible aftermath. If your story has OCs, then let them shine. Make them endearing and memorable. Remember, some of the best stories in this fandom use OCs. It’s all about building them up, and building them up well.

Again, I can't quite compare what your earlier story was like, but I can see potential. If this was an experiment, then its one in the right direction. Again, I apologize for taking this; I'll speak to SLP about him having a look at clean copy of it, soon as he returns from whatever trips he's currently embarked upon.

QUEUE IS STILL CLOSED! for now...

E.D. “Garnot”
>> No. 115272
>>115198

Thanks for the review. I'll set to work right away.
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>>115271

Just a little bit on your feedback. I know you guys are busy so I'm really sorry about this...

>I'll have to apologize right off the bat; SLP was unable to take this story

Hahaha. Oh c'mon dude. Your review was solid. The only reason he was specifically requested was because he reviewed my last fic.I was hoping to keep it the reviewer consistent to compare the reviews (maybe see how I improved).

>This story was…unique in that I thought it was something else at first, but it turned out to be a completely different beast than I had anticipated.

Thank you? I did have tags didn't I? Well anyways, not sure what you where thinking I was headed, but the plan is that I bounce between the tragic, grim, action in the escape from black box. Then I'll intertwine that with the mane six (mainly twilight) uncovering the conspiracy around Black Box after Origin's death. I feel it would have a good amount of tempo this way.

>My suggestion off the bat is that you fix your synopsis so it’s a bit more…vague

Golden advice. However, the synopsis acts as a crutch in that it speeds things up enormously. I was able to skip many scenes that would have to establish what was stated in the synopsis. Your suggestion is definitely the best way to write a synopsis, but as a fic that was designed to be a writing exercise, I feel like it needs the speed boost.

>SDT

This is neat. I have a difficult skill to work on now. I like that. I don't really know how to work on it yet though. Are you telling me to write with more colorful detail? I'm see that simply stating 'Twilight was sad' isn't good writing, but how would you fix it specifically? I'm kinda at a loss here.

>Your dialogue feels very stilted at times. 'Example'

I have to facepalm at this. I can't believe what I did there. I know better. It needs more detail like expression, and some actual emotion somewhere! Good God! The only idea I have on why it happened is maybe because I had been developing the scene so many times over in my head, I just automatically saw it. Looking at it now I see I forgot the basic description. The reader can't read my mind. I have to paint something for them.

> it starts off boring, and doesn’t grow interested till much later

That's how I felt actually, especially about the first scene. At the same time you also said the narration was rushed in that same scene so maybe it just suffers from the fact that it was done under the wrong premise in the first place. Maybe cut out some of the excessive information and get that scene over with. I feel it's in the right place though. Watching the OC's trial is made only more dramatic knowing all that they go through will end in vain. It's just such a sick thing that I feel really changes the emotional tone to be tragic/grimdark so I really like it.

However I have thought of an alternative. The pony locked up on the lower levels is very powerful, but very hate filled. Think of shadow the hedgehog or Bass (from megaman). I've got a pretty sick backstory that will make his bloodlust sympathizable (I hope). In chapter 2 the 3 OC's make it to the control room to disable the security upgrade and release him (his name is Abyss). They do this because he will rampage up through Black Box and keep more resistance off them. The facility can't give Celestia her fake evaluation tour while dealing with Abyss and some escapees. The main resources of Black Box all end up having to go to stopping Abyss and keeping the facilities secrets hidden from Celestia. However, releasing Abyss is a double edged sword. The whole time the 3 OC's have to keep moving up the treacherous levels while a rampaging death machine is working it's way up behind them. (I think it makes for a good premise. It ought to function like Jurrassic park or Jaws but as soon as the reader thinks Abyss is a mindless killer I punch out the backstory. Maybe think of him like scar from Fullmetal Alchemist. Anyways, I'm thinking maybe the release and first rampage scene should start out after Origin's death, rather than cutting to Atmosphere after a run with dialogue. It makes things explode early and eliminates the lack of action in the first chapter.

>A level of familiarity is always a must, but if you want to tell a story, then tell that story; don’t let other dictate how you write.

I feel the mane six should have a role. If not, it's barely justified as a pony story besides the cutie mark dynamic (which is kinda stupid, but I'm gonna do it anyways). Think about it. If I cut those two things (which is totally doable) then the story might as well be regular fiction. Besides, I like the mane six. I want to write them in.

On a side note the water ball is kinda weird, but I was winging the whole scene. I thought it was kind of a creative way for her to see Origin on accident. It needs elaboration though. I thought it would be clear that it was just a use of telekinesis out of melancholy boredom, but apparently not.



>Now, I’m not arguing she be removed, especially if she plays an important role down the line, but give her actions meaning and purpose.

You tell me if this idea sounds decent:
A retrieval squad from Black Box tracks Origin to Twilight's house and mistakenly kidnaps her at night. (they literally bag her and suppress magic) It'll be process of elimination mistake. Twilight is transported to Black Box where she is recognized by the Chief Warden, Atmosphere. He flips out at the implications of having accidentally nabbed the Princess' prized pupil, but like all problems Black Box has, the accident is shrouded in conspiracy and lies. She is held there because she knows too much now. At the same time the rest of the mane six notice her disappearance and thus start their detective crusade on the outside as Twilight starts her own on the inside. This is interspliced with the past events of Origin's escape. She has a purpose.



Overall I consider this whole experiment to have been one big barnburner. If only you saw my last fic. Some grammar and pacing are not a big deal compared to where I just came from. I mean, seriously. This was a big leap in quality, and I'm pretty happy with it. Regardless of it's problems I think it's within my ability to fix. You're main argument against it is that the opener is boring. That's something I saw though. I just needed confirmation by a third party. Now if I can just replicate the experience gain again...

> I'll speak to SLP about him having a look at clean copy of it

Well maybe after I work on it and get it's pacing correct sure. That would be great. I've got things to work with on my plate right now though. I feel it would be more efficient to fix it up where you pointed out, write a some more, and then have SLP take a look.

Thanks for the awesome review. I really appreciate it.
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>>114592
Comments are in the doc.

The two most noticeable things in the writing this time around, were the abuse of unnecessary 'she said' tags and the phrase 'as if', as well descriptions lacking in several places, sometimes intentionally to poor effect.

abused things:
When stories are written in a mostly chronological manner that makes sense, using good syntax, words such as 'then', 'suddenly', or 'before', are not needed. And the use of these words is either redundant, or used as a clarification patch job on weak syntax.

>Rose looked at Azure with concern. "Hey, uhh, you alright Azzie?" Rose asked.
>Azure slumped over, sniffing again. "I don't know. I guess I'm catching a little cold or something," she replied.
>Azure shook her head and stood up. "You forget, I live on the road now. I can handle something as simple as a little runny nose!" she said.
These are all in very close proximity of each other, and all good examples of unnecessary/superfluous said tags. Unneeded words hinder your writing, and no one likes reading something that can be said just as well in fewer words. I strongly suggest looking through your document for your said tags, and cutting down the ones that add nothing.
(ex. 'she added' adds nothing, but 'she whispered' specifies the way she said it, so it can stay)

'as if' shows up far too often in your writing. There's lots of synonyms for it. Like, similar to, reminiscent of, etc.

lacking descriptions
You have to be able to clearly picture what the reader should be able to see, and understand what of that needs describing and what doesn't. When a character walks into a castle, you don't necessarily have to describe the floor. You should however, probably describe how big the castle is. In an example in your story I commented on, a character looks around and then points to something. You tell us her eyes scan around looking, but then not where she points. This comes of as writer-serving perspective, when you leave out important details that should be visible to the reader.

The narration also got a little dull in its sentence structure and flow in places. Try using more active writing in the sections I highlighted.

Picture is irrelevant, but awesome.
Soundslikeponies
>> No. 115401
>>115397
Repetition, awkward phrasing, narration issues.

Yeah I knew this was old and needed a touch-up. Too tired to now, but I'll get around to the issues at some point.

Once again, thanks.
>> No. 115489
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>>115378
Speak to me via email (it's in my name field) and I'll provide all the assistance I can.

>>114397
It’s not every day that I read a story whose name promises a unique experience—and by Gob, this tale here is what I call a unique story. For what it is, it is well put together, though it isn’t entirely devoid of faults, as is to be expected from such a story.

What follows is my opinion, and is no way related to SLP’s thoughts nor the thoughts of others. My words are liable to be incorrect, and as such, you, the writer, is liable to ignore them if they do not follow your exact vision.

Here are the two concerns that I found while reading your story:

-Font. It’s rather large. Not wrong, but the standard font size is usually 12. Having large font causes yours story to have more pages than it should. Consider using a smaller 12-sized font.

-Added details. You really need to add more details to sell us the story. As is, a lot of situations, particularly the second chapter, feels underdeveloped. The doctors don’t seem to get much description, and neither do the LAC and the characters. You need to add more details to sell us the world you’re attempting to create.

Of course, as I stated in the document, your story does posses one fatal flaw, which is itself tied to why I found this such a great read. Let me explain what I mean.

Going into your tale, you paint a story that, on its own, is very interesting—if a little over-done. Now, this isn’t that bad a thing to be honest; it paints a world that seems both Orwellian and Brave new world-esque at the same time, and leaves plenty of vague spots for reader expansion and interpretation. The premise alone is intriguing, and the events that occur further solidify this notion.

However, I feel this is the greatest fall of this story; when you suddenly decide to shift the fiction from what could possibly be a cautionary tale of forced unity and progress brought upon by the necessity of survival, to a story that deals with Ponies. This doesn’t seem to work as well as it could.

The main reason this comes off as not only jarring, but also as potentially dangerous to the future of this tale is due to the separation you impart upon it. You’ve already stated that you’ll be splitting this into chapters (which is obvious from the doc’s formatting), but that separation is what causes the fault in the first place. Divided, the story builds itself as what’s possibly a great jab at standard science fiction, which eventually segways into the pony elements in a way that is explained, yes, but still jarring. Why is the network—which could potentially be ANYTHING in the world—Equestria? This fact goes unexplained so far, and while it’s understandable considering the situation: the main character facing death, there should be some hints dropped as to the nature of the Network and why its chosen to be the perfect ‘location’ to escape the harshness that is future reality. If you were to give some reason—even if its rushed—It would go a very long way to validating the reasons the Network exists, and might even serve you in further exploring the nature of such a place, the ramifications of living a possible lie, and the nature between ‘being happy’ and ‘being realistic’.

The first step at making this dream a reality is to unite all three chapters into one flowing narrative that leads right up to the reveal of the Network, dropping hints and foreshadowing everything. From there, you can resume the story, never forgetting the real nature of the Network and its ramifications.

The ending of the current writings hints at this being the case, but you need to be willing to play more with it. Once you negate the feeling of dichotomy the story currently imparts and give further descriptions to the situations you already posses, your story will really shine. It’s very good as is, and it is quite honestly the single greatest piece of UNIQUE writing I’ve seen in the last few months (Skirt’s work doesn’t count; everything he writes is unique). I’m honestly looking forward to seeing how you continue this story. Feel free to drop this by if and when you have new material.

E.D. “Garnot”

LADIES AND GENTELMENT: ONE MORE STORY TO GO BEFORE THE QUEUE OPENS UP AGAIN. THAT IS ALL
>> No. 115501
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title: the chess master (part one)

author: Heavy Mole

word count: 5k

synopsis: it's all on the line for Scootaloo when a chess tournament at school occasions the return of Gilda; can Scoot and her friends checkmate their way to cutie mark glory and put an end to Gilda's fist-pumping reign of terror? meanwhile, an afternoon at Rarity's rekindles Rainbow Dash's love of the game...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ROlagJWFKPpTytW_mWnybiPotzx26dp2pjLIh9r0Yms/edit

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please let me know if there are any problems with the google doc. I've never used that interface before, so who knows what's going on. thanks!
>> No. 115504
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>>115501

Formatting is a bit messy. Not too hard to fix, though. You forgot to enable comments.

To enable them:
1. Click share
2. There should be an a option that says something along the lines of "People with the link can: view". Change that to "People with the link can: comment".

Also, you might want to wait until their queue is open before submitting. Though, you've already done that and they might just wait until their queue is open before adding you. Their call, not mine.

Lastly, just going over the first few pages, this reeks of first fanfiction ever. That or a troll fic. Cause right now, nothing short of a complete rewrite will be able to fix this story. HOWEVER, I highly suggest keeping it in the queue if they choose to add it. At the very least, they'll be able to give you tips and pointers to help in your rewrite.
>> No. 115508
>>115504
sorry, had no idea this cue was closed. do with it what you will. also, comments enabled in google doc, thanks.

>>first fanfic ever

hmm... I'd say don't judge it till you read it.
>> No. 115512
>>115501

For anyone who cares, massive spoilers are about to follow.





Right then. Thanks, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it! I always liked the HiE genre, but I felt like it was a bit played out in terms of how someone enters Equestria, so I wanted to do something different.

You bring up a really interesting question. Honestly, there is a specific reason that the world is Equestria. That's probably going to be explained around chapter five. Jarvis explains pretty quickly after what you've read so far that in the 2050s, the resistance needed a way to preserve the memories and personalities of certain hyper-intelligent people whose bodies had been killed (such as in Deborah's case). A simulated version of Equestria, marketed as a children's video game, was the perfect answer for this reason: not only is it completely devoid of violence or fighting (which could in theory hurt the people housed there), but the Collective would have no reason to investigate it (it would look suspicious if they started inserting operatives into a children's game, after all). Essentially, in this time period, AI is so advanced that it's impossible to tell the difference between a human being and a computer program, and ponies are just a front for the real purpose of the program.

A very important note: ponies will NOT be the focus of this story. The whole reason Deborah was inserted into The Network was to preserve her so she could assist the resistance. The overall plot is that Deborah (who can't leave The Network for obvious reasons) becomes a resistance leader and assists Jarvis' efforts to take down the Collective from inside the program. Basically, it's not going to be an HiE in the sense that "something bad happens, someone goes to Equestria, and it's exactly like the TV show thereafter." The whole point of the story is the fight against the Collective, and how Deborah assists in that while protecting other people inside The Network.

I was a little confused about some of your comments, so I'll email you a little later and ask about it. All in all, thank you so much for your review. You raised some very interesting points.
>> No. 115521
>>115501
okay, I'm taking this elsewhere. sorry about any wasted time/confusion, chaps.
>> No. 115533
>>115512
Fine by me. Hopefully I'm able to answers all of your questions.

>>115501
As much as we would like to add your story to the queue, we are currently closed. However, we'll be opening up shop by Saturday at the latest (I should have JC's review done by then). You're more than welcome to submit then.

For now, we are rejecting this one.

>>115504
Your first-look is appreciated friend.
>> No. 115538
>>115533
thanks, that would be wonderful. I may be a bit zany, but I am not a troll or first-time writer!
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>>115489

I really appreciate the offer. That's really more than what I expected.

If your up for it I just could use some idea tuning in the future, but I think I'm good for now. Your review had plenty to work on in it.

The only thing I could use some help with from you is the SDT. I'll cruise around, and do some google searching for now though. You guys are bound to be busy so I'd rather not take time away from aspiring writers in the que when I'm perfectly capable.
>> No. 115590
where are these stories? Or are they exclusive for the "judges" at this stage?
>> No. 115593
Hey Garnot, I emailed you regarding my, and I wanted to make sure I understood your commentary before making any EqD submissions. Whenever you've got the time, I'd love to chat with you.
>> No. 115595
My story. Wow, that's embarrassing.
>> No. 115641
>>115590
You must be new here. At the top near the end of the original post you can find the que hyperlink. It takes you to a google doc that will have links to the stories (which are also google docs). Otherwise you can always find a link in the Review Request posts from each author.

I can't speak for anyone else, but, if you want to, feel free to look mine over and comment in the doc.
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Couldn't find a good Jake picture, so have a saluting Me-Mow instead ^^

>>114394
Two for two for JC; this is another tale that, hits several good spots, but unfortunately falls victim to some rather large pitfalls. Thankfully, most of these pitfalls are easily fixed.

Here is list of errors I found/things that need addressing.

-Formatting could use cleaning. Either go for a completely solid form (everything matches and you don’t use indentations) or use a half-inch indentation. I would also suggest you use dividers when shifting drastically between scenes. Some areas (like when Lars goes from the barracks to the first location) could use this to show a jump in time and scenery.

-Punctuation is odd and a tad backwards at times. You use commas in certain places that cause the narration to slow down significantly. This can be avoided by using more em-dashes and semicolons when necessary, or omitting commas.

Keep this in mind:
* A comma is a short pause, often used to signal a speaker taking a quick breath. When placed in dialogue, you have to keep in mind the character’s speech pattern and flow of his/her words.
* A semicolon is a longer pause, often at the end of a thought. It is used to bridge to another similar thought that isn’t part of the original idea, but similar enough to warrant unity.
* An em-dash is similar to a semicolon in pause length, but it is used to show a sudden shift of idea or tone. This can be in form of a sudden idea change, using the dash to show the transition, or an abrupt pause, often used in dialogue or narration.

-Sudden shifts from third person to first person without proper font usage or warning. Either use First Person or Third Person all through the story. If you use both, then make sure you make a distinction between the two. The intro bears one of this. There are a couple more later in the story. If the character is narrating, then there needs to be some defining quality to it. It will help create mood and personality.

-Story isn’t that promising off the bat. It begins rather slowly, and it doesn’t build up enough momentum to really sustain the reader for too long. You need to start off with a ‘bang’ to get your reader’s attention, and then ease into the narrative.

-Inconsistent; you say one thing but show another in many places. The best example is in the sewers, where Lars states he’s a trained solider and has been ‘coldly trained’ which would imply he’s been tutored in the ways of quick and painless extermination (as is the case for most soldiers in the battlefield), yet not soon after, he states he’s been trained to ‘pacify, not kill’ which goes against his first statement.

Another example is Lars’ inconsistent emotions. He’s willing to fight and can ‘talk the talk’ but when he kills the Black Dagger leader, he’s shown crying. If he really was as ‘coldly trained’ as he states, he wouldn’t have felt a thing, acting solely due to his training, not emotion.

-The last two chapters were mostly okay save for errors I’ve already pointed out previously (which you’ll have to go back and repair). Unfortunately, the story grows dull at that point, and it really goes nowhere. Yeah, Lars does go about and meets a few interesting characters, but nothing really gets brought up and nothing about his past is hinted at, not even windows into his past are explored. You need to use whatever opportunity you get to explore who Lars is, leaving if vague is necessary, but being direct when called for.

Story wise, it’s intriguing enough, but the mechanics shown don’t really say anything about the story as a whole. You seem to play this safe for the most part, using little in the way of imagery, similes, and alliteration (which would work best in dialogue and first person narration). I felt the confrontation with the Black Daggers ended to shortly, and the thugs gave up far too easily. Lars also strikes me as odd. He states he’s a soldier and guard, coupled with the fact that he’s Human it would imply he’s a hardened individual who has seen a fair share of death, and thus, should be hardened by it, especially if that death involves equines. Yet, you play Lars rather emotional, which goes against what he’s supposed to be.

You can still play Lars as an emotional character, but have him not show it physically via tears and shivers, but emotional and philosophical. Have him feel like scum, but on a deeper level that is far too deep for mere tears. He can be tormented on the inside, which will then be visible by a cold and calculating exterior. Lars can be complex internally and simple externally, only breaking when something truly horrendous occurs. That right there could be your measuring gauge for events in the story; when Lars, who is mostly cool and collected, breaks his façade and show his inner emotion; that will really send a powerful message and convey whatever scene you are presenting.

The next thing I find a bit suspicious is how Captain Heartstrings comes off as too paranoid for someone in his position. Sure, you can play him as an untrusting individual, but outright paranoia is often the first sign of madness, something I’m sure the Guards would be not only wary of, but ready to act upon. Rather than using the captain to show off a vibe of paranoia, use Lars, who by all rights SHOULD be the one paranoid; he’s far from home and in a land that is utter alien—that’s the real recipe for paranoia right there.

Finally, I would play the reveal that it was Captain Heartstrings who hired the Black Daggers to scare and/or eliminate Lars differently. As you have it, he just comes out and admits it, which goes against his paranoid nature (if you are going to play that card). The reveal needs to be more subtle. Have Lars find himself under the Captain’s employment under the threat of imprisonment for being an ‘illegal alien’ (which is quite a fair charge considering what he is) and from there, have Lars realize the Captain’s real game. In the final reveal, Lars should confront the captain, but in the end, having no choice but to go along with the game. In the final moves, Lars should find something to incriminate the Captain, which then forces him to cooperate if he’s to keep his paranoia and blackmailing under wraps. Play the Satire plot further and deeper, either using it to show that Lars isn’t as helpless as everyone makes him to be, and showing that he too can play others should the situation call for it. Essentially, give Lars a fighting chance, and an unwilling ally that is just as ready to stab Lars in the back as Lars is ready to expose him.

That, more or less concludes my review. Hopefully, you’re able to take some ideas and use them to really better this story. I look forward to seeing what you can come up with in the future.

Oh, before I forget, I would also suggest you split up the chapters in later review requests. It makes it easier to write notes and keep track of what’s what.

E.D.”GARNOT”

LADIES AND GENTLEMENT, THE QUEUE IS NOW OPEN!
>> No. 115712
I must apologize for not seeing this fic earlier. It wasn't on the queue list, so, as much as it pains me, it's an automatic reject.

Re-submit to us via the submission form for proper review.

Thank you; that is all.
>> No. 115720
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Title: Friendship is Giant Robots
Tags: [Dark] [Shipping] [Sci-Fi] [Crossover]
Author Name: 108Echoes
Word count by chapter: 4363 / 4995 / 4975 / 4877 / 6492
Word Count Total: 25702
Synopsis:
Nightmare Moon has risen again, lusting not for Equestria's throne but for its utter destruction. Ponies everywhere have fallen into an endless sleep, and monsters from the stars hunt down the survivors. There's one thing that might save them: the ANIMa, a bizarre machine which turns relationships into psychic weapons. Led by a still-waking Princess Celestia, Twilight and her friends must forge friendship into a weapon to defeat the terrors of the night once and for all. Based on Ben Lehman's Bliss Stage RPG.

This is something I’ve been writing on and off (mostly off), for quite a while. I’m trying to get back on the horse, so to speak, and looking for a consistent reviewer. Hopefully it’s not-terrible enough that one of you will be willing to help. I also have a stack of old reviews and comments which I can share, if you’re interested.

The link submitted leads to the first chapter, and each chapter includes a link to the next.
>> No. 115725
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I'm shocked I never knew soundslikeponies took time to review.
Well, for my first time, I'm looking for outside reviewers, and who better than one of the shipping masters? If Garnot prefers to take a look, I'd love it as well. Thanks for any help you can offer.

Title: If These Strings Could Sing
Author: PonIver
Tags: Romance, Slice-of-life
Word Count: 10,349 (currently at 3 chapters)

Synopsis: Sometimes, the music says more than words ever could.
She came to escape fame, and a pegasus will bring her back down to earth. Can these two find feelings that go deeper than melodies? Or will a scornful DJ come between them?

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1agxxM2zmQZmY86U4m2ZeEZDBb3-_5DyanxVMzFLHacM/edit

Again, thanks for anything you can offer. I do not need anything gentle, but this is my first time looking for outside reviews, so sorry if I'm sounding like an amateur.
>> No. 115735
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take two:

title: the chess master (part one) 1.0
author: Heavy Mole
word count: ~5k
synopsis: a work of satire inspired by "May the Best Pet Win". Rainbow Dash enters a chess tournament at Ponyville Elementary to help out the CMC in a pinch, and prove once and for all that she's got what it takes to be a chess *master*!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UjpBlq3GT5Efr_LfKjit_so_lWsfBP-FcmTzV01yMVI/edit

many thanks in advance for putting in the time to give me a hand!
>> No. 115751
>>115712
Heh, looks like I ended up derping here. the post I was referring to was this>>115187 but I seem to have forgotten to put the post number. Again, will have to reject due to not being in the actual queue, but you're more than welcome to resubmit.

>>115720
>>115725
>>115735
all of these have been added to the queue.
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>>115710

My main reason to have him cry was an earlier reviewer who felt he was too Gary Stu. I might have overdone it a bit...

But I will keep your suggestions safe and use them as I edit the story again. Once again many thanks for the all suggestions and the time invested. I'm confident I can use this to make it a better story!
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>>115763
Crying isn't really a cure for "Mary Sue." Character flaws and depth are.
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>>115720
Our word limit is 10k. Only your first two chapters will be looked at.
>>115725
I'll take this one since it was a sort of a request.
>> No. 115793
>>115784
Gotcha. But I can resubmit for chapters 3+4, then chapter 5, right?
>> No. 115812
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>>115725
Okay, your mechanics seem mostly sound (aside from one or two incorrect uses of semicolons) and the premise of the story itself is good. The place where it falters, however, is in the prose.

Purple prose is a term of literary criticism used to describe passages, or sometimes entire literary works, written in prose so extravagant, ornate, or flowery as to break the flow and draw attention to itself. Purple prose is sensually evocative beyond the requirements of its context. It also refers to writing that employs certain rhetorical effects such as exaggerated sentiment or pathos in an attempt to manipulate a reader's response.
- Wikipedia opening paragraph on Purple Prose


You describe many things in terms of extravagant pronoun phrases (similar to what lavender unicorn syndrome is) and the syntax you enjoy frequenting draws too much attention to the writing itself.

Repeated thoughts weaken your writing and make it drone.

If you find you’ve said the same thing more than once, choose the best and cut the rest. Frequently, I see the same idea presented several ways. It’s as if the writer is saying, “The first couple of images might not work, but the third one should do it. If not, maybe all three together will swing it.” The writer is repeating himself. Like this. This is a subtle form of pleonasm.
- Rule 7 on a 'list of writing rules'


Currently you have a problem with your writing where you say very little with many words. It creates an effect where the reader does not hang on your words, and your words do not have weight.

The second, more minor point I wanted to bring up, is that you abuse/repeat certain sentence structures too much. These are mostly noted in your story, but one I didn't mention was that single clause sentences are abused, which is a large reason I said your writing feels choppy above.

Your story drags its feet in going somewhere. Between having over 10,000 words to set up the initial conflict, and your prose being indirect and extravagant, it's a little bit exhausting to read.

Direct and streamline your thoughts, cut repetition, vary sentence structure, and try to make your writing more lean. I'd recommend heavily on trying to cut down on the scenes when they are in the forest, since very little happens in a very large amount of words, and you want to get to the scene with Fluttershy and the Paparazzi sooner.
>> No. 116033
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Twelvesteps has directed me here, and recommended Soundslikeponies to help with my unengaging, word-packed story. Thus, I throw myself at your mercy, oh merciful Soundlikeponies, aka Finn. So, here ya go.


Title: For The Craft

Author: Compendium of Steve

Word count: 6158

Synopsis: An artist does a lot to maintain their ability. Practice, dedication, and an ongoing appreciation all go into the upkeep and advancement of their respective crafts. In the case of Frederick Horseshoepin, it takes something more.
>> No. 116073
>>116033

What's missing here? Let's see if we can all figure it out.

*Jeopardy theme music*
>> No. 116174
Title: FORCE OF WILL [Dark][Crossover]

Author: Present Perfect

Word count: 2465

Synopsis[/s]: A strange machine appears in Ponyville, and its grim purpose is soon discovered. Can Twilight figure out how to destroy it before life in Ponyville deteriorates into chaos?

[b]Link
: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m09HQbgHT4pEMTF0B1JEzcbnctjXGcW_4WmzN19BAnc/edit

Notes to reviewer: That is the worst synopsis ever. I am particularly interested in two things: does the crossover work? (This is meant for audiences unfamiliar with the source material, Machine of Death, and I am hoping that whoever reviews this is likewise unfamiliar with it.) Second, where can I expand? Though perhaps if the crossover doesn't work, that will become obvious.
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>>116033

Ack, my mistake! Okay, here is da link I'm sorrysorry so so so so sorry!

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XIoS9E8fnRbQNXDEqruAyaYh5bOS2CkWLQxmpEzc0ig/edit


I did include the link in the submission form, though.
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>>116033
okay, so mechanically all I saw was abusive use of colons and semicolons, as well as one or two missed commas. Stylistically, the semicolons and colons were in poor taste and prose most of the time you used them. It's rare that you look at a sentence with a semicolon or colon that you wrote, figure out an alternative without one, and go 'I think this looks better with a colon/semicolon.' Very rare.

aside from that you had a few tense slips with words such as 'now' and 'this'. Also you used suddenly. That is bad. 'Then', 'after', 'before', are all used to describe the timing and order that events happen in. Through proper syntax, we can infer these things without using these.

>Suddenly, someone knocked on the door.
So this example, could be put into good syntax to infer the abruptness of the action.
>A knock came from the door.
It does this by immediately saying 'a knock' letting you know what's happening instantly, and starting with the focus of the sentence. In the first example, without the suddenly, the first major thing is 'someone', but given the context of the sentence, "Someone knocked on the door." doesn't carry the same abrupt feeling the second example does.

avoid these 'time words' through better syntax.

The story: I'll be honest, I do not have a clue why you needed to fill us in on the scene that happens in the first flashback. Frederick's family being poor, and his acceptance into the school of music, are not essential to the story. You can just as easily have frederick simply mention his financial state in conversation with the piano maker. Which would cut that entire scene from a page, to two or three lines of dialogue. (ex "My parents are scraping by to send me to school as it is. I can't afford my own piano.") and then you wouldn't have that page long flashback with forgettable and unimportant characters getting in the way the story moving forwards.

As far as characterization goes, Frederick's doesn't feel very strongly defined, and Capriccio's character is rather bland and uninteresting. You need to inject some character into her dialogue, and work on making Frederick's better at portraying the character you are going for. If you want to have him switch between demon and charming, make sure you define each 'mode' strictly, and have his dialogue follow the one he is in at the time.

the real kicker
The opening of your story tells us nothing, and just vaguely hints at things, without giving us any concrete information, or clues. The only real information it does give us, is that someone (and it becomes very obvious early on that it's frederick) is talking to a voice in their head. You don't give us setting, or any other information in the scene. The trick to not telling your readers something, is to make up for it by telling them everything else. Anything that is too vague is never any fun to read.

In summary:
Abuse semi and full colons less
Cut first flashback and summarize it in dialogue in the second
Change opening scene so it's more interesting, and isn't so vague
Define Frederick's character better
Make Capriccio have more of a character
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>>116182
<-- All I could think when I saw your pic.
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>>116040
Nicknack leaves /fic/

Nicknack leaves me all his work

I have to do several reviews

I have to finish my own story

I now have to finish Nick’s work

Yup; last few days have been quite hectic. I must apologize for being a tad slow on my reviews; as you can probably tell, I’ve been kept rather busy contacting people left and right and organizing every detail coherently.

Regardless, for the first time since Nick’s rather sudden departure, I find myself free, and I’ll be damned if I don’t post this review before it gets later, though as I begin the endeavor that is editing and finishing both “Heart of Gold” and “Summer Flames”, my reviews might come even slower.

As usual, keep in mind that my word is liable to be incorrect. Take what I say with a grain of salt and draw your own conclusions.

Now then, I’ll begin with the first chapter. Chapter two will be done later, perhaps Saturday.

Chapter One

The start of this story was slow. Not quite slow enough to really say “oh, this is dull” but never quite reaching “oh wow, this is freaking good” levels. It managed to maintain a fairly consistent curve, which is both a good and bad thing. A story needs to catch its readers right off the bat. If you are unable to gain the attention of the reader, then you’ve lost them.

The rest of the story moved at a rather slow pace, save when the battle in against the nightmares started. Then it picked up, but otherwise remained a tad disengaging. I never really got the feeling these were machines made of sheer magic and will battling in a dreamscape-esque reality. Again, you could do with increasing the intensity of the engagement so the reader feels pulled into the events.

Here are a few of the errors I found in your story.

-Choppy descriptions
Your descriptions tend to be a bit choppy. One second, they seem to be portraying one image, but then suddenly cut to something else.
Take your time with certain descriptions and flesh them out. Avoid SDT and make them as engaging all the while maintain the plot’s pace. Some descriptions can be made short if they fit the situation, such as if characters are tired or if they are distraught.

-A few too many jumps in too short an amount of time
Your story seems to do a lot of jumping between scenes. There is one particular section where you essentially jump twice in one page.
While jumps aren’t technically wrong, and can be used to further the plot, scenery jumps have to have meaning behind them. If characters are undergoing a journey that constantly has them on the move, then jumps are not only welcome, but a necessity. If a story needs to have scenes develop before a jump occurs, then you need to develop these scenes before the jump can take place. Essentially, think about when you jump a scene, how you jump a scene, and to what you jump. These are essentially the keys to moving the plot successfully.

-Some SDT issues
Some scenes tell far more than they show. I also point to some dialogue instances for this. Again, you need to develop certain scenes so they not only avoid SDT, but also carry meaning behind them. If a character can physically show his emotions rather than saying them, then do so. Describe how a character smiles and how he frowns; paint an image for your reader while avoiding going overboard with it.

-Dialogue feels a tad stilted
Some instances of your dialogue comes off as stilted and forced. A good example is the Twilight and Celestia scene. Their dialogue doesn’t quite show emotions as effectively as it could, and the result is that your story suffers a bit for it.
Go back and make sure your dialogue carries weight behind it. Make it natural and make sure it conveys emotion.

-Too many pauses when the narration flow requires it to be smooth
This one is simple. You use far too many periods, which in turn cause your narration flow to feel choppy. Use more semicolons, commas, and em-dashes to avoid this, particularly in dialogue and between active sections.

-Some lack of description
Some scenes are just missing that extra bit of detail to really convey emotion or a particular image across. The prime examples as the ANIMa machine themselves. They require extra description to really bring them to life.

That covers my review for Chapter One. Chapter two will be done in the near future. If it suffers from the same errors as this first chapter however, I’ll ask that you edit chapters 3 and onwards before either SLP or myself looks them over.

-E.D. Garnot
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>>116174
(I still don't know what the crossover is, so feel free to inform me)
The story managed to accurately capture the feel of limited perspective, like in Cloverfield, Blair Witch, or Chronicle. (I'm just citing movies because I haven't read any published books that have that effect.) And the effect worked, because it very much had that 'mysterious thing' (a common factor in those three movies) that works well with this kind of storytelling.

The mechanics seemed solid. Only thing I could spot were one or two commas that I'd personally have gone without, or places I would or wouldn't use dashes, but they weren't incorrect per se.

The only real problem I can say I had with the story, is that it breaks the 'mlp vibe' in a completely unnecessary way that doesn't really contribute to the story. You have Twilight talking about how she got blackout drunk and dash wrote on her with a marker, but you could have just as easily done it using a sleepover, or something that doesn't involve getting Twilight getting drunk before falling asleep. (If they're a somewhat heavy sleeper they don't need to be drunk for you to successfully draw on them in their sleep. I've personally done this to a friend.)

I have no problem with stories wanting to break the mlp vibe. But I'd strongly recommend against doing it for next to no reason.

The second point that drops it is when Twilight writes 'fucking' in one of her letters to princess Celestia, and does not have Spike scratch it out. This just seems too wildly out of character for her. If the 'fucking' were crossed out, or perhaps it looked like it was supposed to be crossed out, but Spike only crossed out the later part (in which case clarify) it would fit. But right now it feels like it sticks out too much. I'd recommend doing one of the two above, or just figuring out another way to communicate that Twilight is freaking out over this.

As far as crossover immersion goes, you wanted this to be accessible to people who had not seen/read the crossover material, and it did successfully feel that way. It didn't feel like a crossover at all in fact, it just something that could have been heavily inspired by the type of movies I mentioned above.

As a personal taste thing, I probably would have hinted at Twilight using the machine in an earlier letter, so the ending seems like it has more lead up. "I carefully tested the machine's process myself with my own hoof, but I made sure to destroy the paper before looking at it. Who wants to know how they die? It's such an awful and morbid. . ." and then later she'd confess to lying, and having looked. It just feels like the ending could have a bit more lead up, because as it is the 'did it have the same thing as mine?' came out of nowhere, which dampened the effect I feel it could have had.

As it is, it feels like the ending is a bit too unsatisfying (and I love ambiguous endings, so that does mean something) but I think that
if there was a bit of a lead up to it, it would feel much more complete.
>> No. 116638
>>116174
>>116590
A Machine of Death crossover? I love this fandom forever!

http://machineofdeath.net/
http://machineofdeath.net/ebook
>> No. 116640
>>116590
Ah, Ezn beat me to the crossover. Yes, it's Machine of Death. :)

>Only thing I could spot were one or two commas that I'd personally have gone without, or places I would or wouldn't use dashes, but they weren't incorrect per se.
I like commas. :B

>The only real problem I can say I had with the story, is that it breaks the 'mlp vibe' in a completely unnecessary way that doesn't really contribute to the story. You have Twilight talking about how she got blackout drunk
I'm glad you pointed this out. The story is meant to break tone with the show, but in regards to the machine and its purpose. So, starting off with that, which already assumes a lot and is never gotten into, really was not a good decision on my part. I'll figure out a replacement, one that will work with the story.

>It didn't feel like a crossover at all in fact, it just something that could have been heavily inspired by the type of movies I mentioned above.
Hooray! I was very concerned about that.

>As a personal taste thing, I probably would have hinted at Twilight using the machine in an earlier letter
This is a very good idea, thank you.

>As it is, it feels like the ending is a bit too unsatisfying (and I love ambiguous endings, so that does mean something) but I think that
if there was a bit of a lead up to it, it would feel much more complete.
This is where the author's note will hopefully come into play. A major trait of Machine of Death stories is that the title is a cause of death. In this case, it's Twilight's. But even not knowing that, the reader should at least be asking, "Why would she and Celestia die in the same way?" Again, I'm probably assuming too much without explaining anything, but that was actually sort of what I wanted to get at. I think I have a few ideas for how to make it just the tiniest bit clearer.

Anyway, thanks very much for an excellent review. :D You've given me some good ideas and lots of useful feedback. I will no doubt stop back here again in the future!
>> No. 116670
Title: Unbroken Steel: Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Tags: Shipping, Action, Adventure
Synopsis: This is a shipping fic between Rainbow Dash and G1 Starscream... I kid you not and no I was not drunk when I thought this up. Its a shipping fic but they spend most of the time yelling at each other and trying to destroy each other. If your expecting a sappy love story that involves a lot of kissing and hugs then you'd be mistaken, it was a love doomed to fail from the start, if you'd call two beings trying to destroy each other love that is... Inspired by the Death Battle where Dash fought Starscream and beat him. Originally was going to be a one shot but the story got a little longer.

Notes: Okay I get that this is a strange idea but I try my best to make it good and I try to make it as realistic as possible (it is about a giant robot and a flying pony so realistic is a loose term). I did try to submit this to Equestria Daily, it was rejected but the prereader still found it interesting. I'm just asking for some help or pointers to help me make it better so I can get better.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOnEslMAzXh9Uchbt-PJF2UHYmaWcMAqAZegamPbZOM/edit?pli=1
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>>116670
Well, shipping's SLP's gig, but--

>This is a shipping fic between Rainbow Dash and G1 Starscream...
>Inspired by the Death Battle where Dash fought Starscream and beat him.
>I get that this is a strange idea but I try my best to make it good and I try to make it as realistic as possible (it is about a giant robot and a flying pony so realistic is a loose term).

This either might be the greatest idea put to paper, or likely the most bizarre ship fic to ever be put before my eyes.

SLP, I'm going to claim this one. Mad-Mutt, be prepared...
>> No. 116683
>>116489
Just want to confirm I'm still around and listening. I'll have a full response after the chapter two bit's done (and yes, I'll revise chapters three onward before resubmitting). Thanks for your work so far.
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Heh, I'm feeling a bit tired today. I've had one hell of a trial taking care of various pending issues around town.

Oh well, post and then sleep. Man, I wanna marry my bed...

Review time!

>>115720
Chapter 2

Keeping in mind that I’ve already given you a review, I’ll go ahead and skip most of the previous concerns, focusing mostly on new ones I find. Just we aware that so far, you seem to make the same errors as in the first chapter, which is expected to be honest.

Regardless, here are a few of the things that repeat, and are more than likely present in chapter 3 and onward; I urge you to look this instances over and correct them ASAP.

-There is still a lack of description in places that could really use it.
-There are more than a few instances of SDT present.
-You have less abrupt pauses, but they are present nonetheless.

Story wise, the second chapter felt less than descriptive in crucial parts, and a tad too descriptive in areas that should have otherwise been flown over quickly. The portion prior to Dash’s engagement with the nightmares should have been given extra emphasis, especially when it comes to describing what Dash sees. In contrast, the last few scenes at the hospital should have been flown over slightly.

The three major issues I saw with this chapter were:
1. Dash’s tone. She starts off a tad too smugly for someone who’s facing off against shapeless monstrosities. Even if this is Dash we are talking about, you need to show her having doubts and fears. That way, when she negates these fears, it’s more powerful.
2. Celestia’s tone seemed off. She came off as slightly harsh, even if you have her putting on a brave and commanding face. Either, you need to tone her down a bit so she’s compassionate yet firm, or go all out and show her as willing to do what is necessary to save her world and those who live in it.
3. Not much of a plot is given. You have Dash going on a scouting mission, yet she more or less finds nothing of value save the fact that the nightmares have a copy of Cloudsdale and are doing something there. When this is revealed, you don’t seem to show its importance, nor even have a scene where you show Twilight and Celestia discussing it over. Mereover, you don’t seem to build on the fact that the process of going into the dream world is becoming dangerous, you don’t really build up any relationships between characters, and you don’t hint or foreshadow future events. Overall, it feels like a portion of a larger chapter, or a chapter that is missing a crucial exposition part.

My suggestions is that you go back and add foreshadowing, add some type of character development either between Dash and Pinkie, Dash and the Princess, or all three of them. And the most crucial part—add a scene where Twilight and Celestia discuss not only Dash’s actions, the dangers clearly present in the ANIMa project, and just what Dash found. Celestia is hinted to be concerned over this; use it to build further intrigue.

Well, that ends my review of Friendship. Correct the errors and concerns I’ve pointed out in these and future chapters and return to us for further assistance. Best of luck.

-E.D. Garnot
>> No. 116773
>>116680
Thanks, looking forward to the review. I hope I was able to make good or at least a little good. I'm a fairly new writer.
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>>115501
Alright, there's a lot to cover, so I'm going to cover it fast.

Said tags:
You try too hard to vary every single said modifier following dialogue. They feel awkward and out of place, some of them read poorly and some of them have reversed word order of what's the norm for no reason. You forget to capitalize around places, and you try to use actions in the way that you use said verbs, but you can not have:

"Ahm goin' to th' farm," Applebloom walked.

descriptions:
Your descriptions fall flat due to the fact that you lack both catch phrases and fully fleshed out descriptions of what's happening. There are details that are prominent enough that the reader should know them, and you aren't describing them.

Show don't tell:
Directly stating character emotions or reactions makes for boring storytelling.

Don't do: Rarity looked shocked.
Do: Rarity gasped and recoiled in shock.
By having 'in shock' it is describing an action which makes it okay.

Just don't directly state emotion. And anytime you use one of these words, check if you're using it to attribute an action, or just stating that the character is:
Angry
Bored
Shocked
Annoyed
Excited
or any other similar emotional description.

Characterization:
Your characters largely didn't sound like the characters in the show, and they didn't act too much like the characters in the show. Think the words out loud in your head in the character's voice, and see if they work before using them.

Mechanically, your story has quite a lot of work needed. You use dashes, semicolons, ellipses, and commas incorrectly in several locations, and I'd recommend looking for pre-readers to help you improve, rather than reviewers. (We tend to get down to the nitty-gritty, while pre-readers are more meant to surface skim.)

As it is, google documents commenting system started freezing a third of the way through, so that was as much as I could comment. Hopefully you can go through and weed out similar mistakes past where I commented.
>> No. 117055
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Title: Harmony Reborn

Tags: [Adventure] [Dark] (I'm hesitant to use this tag, as the dark themes of the story are mainly alluded to and not addressed directly, but better safe than sorry)

Word Count: 14,727

Synopsis: In the steampunk future of Equestria, any signs of harmony in the city of New Canterlot have been replaced by corruption, greed, sickness and lust for power. 6 unlikely ponies will unite in their search to find out what happened to the Elements and the Ponies that represented them, in hopes of reviving harmony and saving their home.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kF_vOt-xa_JfCXpXtuIw0chHwDCEurs48gA-Pyxx1lY/edit

Comments: Yes, I'm aware that it's over 10,000 words, so I'm really hoping that the "You liking it" part of the rule comes into play.
>> No. 117084
Title: 30 Days

Author: Sean

Word Count: 6088

Description: [Shipping][Dark][Rollercoaster] It has been said Equestria has more love than any other kingdom in the world. However, with a single kiss Vinyl Scratch, a.k.a. DJ P0N-3, reveals a new kind of love to Equestria, and sends a shockwave throughout the highly-conservative society.

As Vinyl Scratch's controversy turns her life into a downhill struggle, many ponies rush to her aid, many coming out and admitting they too are lovers of a different kind. Others claim insanity and that the DJ is nothing but a deviant that will endanger society through her taboos.

Join the Mane 6, Vinyl Scratch, Sapphire Shores, Lyra, Bon-Bon, Gilda, and many, many others in a story about fighting for the right to be who you truly are.

A lot can happen over the course of a month.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bva2z3xRJUrpDhRgSYwjqXQUAIIylCZme2w9bcqOfJI/edit
>> No. 117104
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Hey-o, SLP and Garnot. I've got a lovely little fic that I'd like to stick in your queue, if you'll have me.

Title: Glitched
Author: Golden Vision (YOU DON'T SAY?)
Tags: [Sci-Fi/Adventure][Dark]
Word Count: 8,854
Synopsis: When Twilight becomes trapped in a time loop on the week of her brother's wedding, she makes up her mind to escape, stop the changelings, and save the royal couple in the process. But as the loops go on, her mind and the minds of her friends will be driven to the brink. After all, when you’re whirling through eternity, one more step might be all that’s needed to fall into the darkness—forever.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J5mfEGcXXGrTlOao8T2pE0BH-II_C-zoFblQBaO1ojk/edit

Note that this has also been submitted for Minty and Applejinx to look at. Thanks again!
-GV
>> No. 117107
>>117045
thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my fic.

most of your points are well-taken. I feel you on the speech modifiers, and am actually relieved that I don't have to worry about them so much -- I was running out of ways to say 'said'! ("hmm... Scootaloo, uh... acceded? okay, we'll go with that...")

I did have a couple of questions...

>There are details that are prominent enough that the reader should know them, and you aren't describing them.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, exactly. could you use an example?

also, regarding characterization...

I don't mean for this to sound insulting, but rather I really wish to know: did you get the humor in this fic? I feel like most people who read it don't, and that's far more disconcerting for me than any mechanical issues. I mean, how did it come off? trollfic? "random"? just unfunny in general? was there anything you did find humorous? that's an impression I'd be grateful to have.
>> No. 117110
>>117107
An example of lacking description:
>She was lying on a picnic blanket with her friends, "you know, the important ones," she might reply if asked on a separate occasion.

This is more or less the only description in the scene. You miss tossing in little details: the colour of the blanket, where they actually are sitting on it (they could be inside for all we know), whether it's sunny, slightly cloudy, but you don't want to make the mistake of blocking all these things together. You want to fill in the details naturally, and where appropriate. Let's say you have Fluttershy acting nervous in the scene:

"Oh... I don't know, Twilight..." Fluttershy said, kicking the grass.

You can slip it in naturally by having it accompany an action.

Rainbow Dash looked over at her indignantly, while shielding her eyes from the sun with a hoof. "Hey, I'm plenty good at chess!"

Applejack snorted and raised her head off the red-and-white checkered picnic blanket to glare at her. "Well then maybe ya ought to prove it instead ah' just boastin' about it."


It held mild humourous undertones, but failed to have the kind of punchlines or other clever writing that would make it truly a 'comedy'. It was more 'slice of life' ish.
>> No. 117128
>>117110
okay. thanks again!
>> No. 117139
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Well folks, I’ve been giving some thought as to my review forms, and after noticing a pattern with my writings (notes on Gdocs, review on thread) I’ve come the conclusion that I’ve been a tad too skimpy on my reviews.

So, taking a page from other reviewers, I’ve decided to create a new way of not only distributing my reviews, but also imparting whatever advice I can provide. Keep in mind that writing such large reviews will slow me down a bit, but I think it’s a worthy trade-off when you are given nearly all of the info you could ever need.

So, without further ado, let the new review format begin.

As always, what I say in this review is solely my opinion, no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance, claim to be wholly correct on what I say on this review. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented.


Points of Interest
Here are a couple of points I found in your story that need to be looked at and fixed ASAP.

-Speaking Verbs—you are missing quite a lot of speaking verbs, especially when they are absolutely necessary to convey dialogue properly. Not using them leads to a mechanical tone that—while useful when creating a story in which machines are characters—does not work in this particular case, because you have a two characters who aren’t machines per say.

I also get the feeling you don’t quite know what a speaking verb is. If that’s the case, let me give you a short explanation. In a nutshell, speaking verbs are words like:
She said
He asked
...replied
...responded
...demanded
...inquired
While they may seem to be the bane of a good piece of text, they are absolutely essential to writing a good story. That doesn’t mean they can’t be given upgrades and variation. Rather than just using “he asked” you can expand on it, give it more description. Add a few lines that lead up to the ‘he asked’ to further paint how dialogue is presented. Do that, and you’ll be negating this error.

-Livelier punctuations—you need make use of punctuations to improve the overall narration of the story. The flow has to improve if you want your readers to not only get the feel for the characters you are attempting to portray, but also how the story is told as a whole. Em-dashes and semicolons are pauses that slow the narration, bring together sentences that share similarities, and bridge thoughts together in a coherent manner. Commas pause the narration, providing emphasis or giving the reader room t breather. Periods should only be used when you finish a thought outright, never in between a thought, as that would create a fragment.

-Overall punctuation—you write without seemingly without feeling the flow of the narration. You neglect commas when the narration calls for them, and use them when the narration does not need them. Sometimes, it feels as if you are attempting to get as many thoughts across as quickly as possible without giving the pacing or the narration—or the character’s for that matter—a second thought.

Even when narrating, there is a flow to each word, which in turn creates the mood. You need to pay more attention to the mood you are attempting to pain, and in turn, use punctuations to give this mood further emphasis.

-LUS (Lavender Unicorn Syndrome)—you use a lot of LUS in your story, either referring to Dash as ‘flying pony’ or ‘sky blue pony’. If you’ve already introduced her by name, using descriptions of her physical traits in the narration serves no purpose other than bogging down the flow of the story. Dialogue is a different matter, and is wholly acceptable, provided the character actively speaks in that fashion. Just remember, if you find yourself using physical descriptions for an already introduced character in the narration, the you need to either change it so it uses a direct name, somehow roll it into the narration (harder than it sounds) or rethink the scene you are presenting.

-SDT—your entire story seems to revolve around large instances where you tell the reader what is happening rather than showing it via character interactions. Part of the idea works considering how you more or less wish to present the reader with a slightly condenses narration of the events—but for the most part, it feels rushed. You don’t develop the characters how they should be developed, nor do you explain much outside of “dimensional portal”. This being the first part of many gives hope that such things will be properly addresses, but even so, there is only so much seeming vagueness a reader can take before they lose interest. You need to give more of a backstory and personality to characters before, making events engaging, and providing enough material for the reader to chew over as they read the story.

-Spelling—rather minor, but some words were misspelled or used in the wrong locations. One such example is the word “Decepticon” which you spelled ‘Deceptacon”. There were other instances, but none as grave as that.


Detailed Review
In keeping with idea of giving detailed thoughts, I’ve decided to give you more details on three of the most important parts of a story: Characters, Mechanics. Plot.

-Characters-
*Starscream: for the most part, you managed to keep him more or less in character. He comes off as extra whinny (even more than his usual G1 self) and goes a bit into his Transformer Animated self. Nonetheless, he’s recognizable as the dastardly backstabber that we all know and love. The only thing I find odd about his personality is that you make him quite tenacious, perhaps too much so. Starscream has always been the type of villain that plots his moves, acts on them, and runs away when things ultimately blow up in his face. His power comes mostly from the fact that he’s unpredictable outside of his ever-present aura of betrayal. This being set in Equestria, Starscream truly is outside of his element, and as such, should seem just a bit more off-guard by it. The way you’ve written him, he begins the story by clearly stating he was up to his old tricks again. While you can have him work towards that goal—or had him work towards that goal, considering where he is now—he needs to show a bit of his tactician side; the plotter and schemer that managed on several occasions to put Meagatron offline.

*Dash: for the most part, you also managed to keep Dash in character, though she did come off as a bit conceited from time to time. That’s mostly due to the situation before her however, and is forgivable in that regard. She could have used a bit more development in regards to how she feels about Starcream’s tenacity, as well as his seemingly endless hatred of her, but again, Dash being Dash, she wouldn’t quite take it at face value, and would more than likely see it as some type of game to play along to.

*Sparks: Sparks is where your story falls flat. On the surface, he sounds like a good character—a pony mechanic capable of magicking the parts needed to repair Starscream. However, he is given so little description outside of his ‘quirks’ (half of which don’t even qualify as faults that would warrant being shunned). He barely speaks outside of description, and you don’t explain how his magic works, where he came from, and what might just be the most important fact: HOW HE IS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND COMPLEX ROBOTICS IN A WORLD THAT YOU CLEARLY STATE HAS LITTLE TO NO TECHNOLOGY.

I’m sorry for using all caps, but that is a real serious issues, one that causes the rest of the story to fall apart at the seams. I’ve already made notes on the Gdocs regarding this, but honestly, unless you fix Spark, this story isn’t going anywhere in a hurry.

-Mechanics-
To put it bluntly—your mechanics need work. You lack punctuations, you negate to use speaking verbs; you tell far more than you show; you give long descriptions when a simple thought would be enough to get the idea across as well as under-explain important details that your story needs to bear; you make a few spelling errors (including the aforementioned ‘Deceptacon’ error… I’m almost tempted to ask you turn in your nerd credentials) and you leave characters and scenes with a lack of detail that—while possible you’ll expand upon—leaves quite a lot to be desired this early on.

-Plot-
Quite honestly, this should be the place where I go all out and write one-page essay on what you’re doing incorrectly so far, but honestly, the plot is the one aspect that seems to be working so far. The premise is interesting for what it is (and I do mean that in a nice way—again, considering what this is) and you’re more or less in the right path towards showing us something we have never quite seen before. The very idea that you mix Starscream and Rainbow Dash, two characters who share some similarities, but are otherwise as different as night and day, and put them in a situation where they have to not only deal with each other, but actively try and understand each other, is short of imaginative. You’ve used Starscream’s immorality to great effect, essentially painting this almost ‘groundhog day’ situation that relies on Starscream’s tenacity and hatred towards Dash—while at the same time using Dash’s own smug nature and near superiority complex to have her return for more.

Unfortunately, there is one element that brings this story down several pegs: Sparks.

Is it really necessary to have this character in the story? Other than repairing Starscream, he serves no purpose. Heck, he’s left so vague as to be nearly nonexistent. His magic makes him far too overpowered, and he’s given no importance. His very skills would imply that Equestria has some secrets regarding technology, maybe even the reason Starscream ended up there in the first place—but this isn’t even hinted at nor given any foreshadowing. Sparks serves little purpose unless given a proper motivation, a proper background, in-depth description of his power and how it functions, and a broader personality, one that relies on more than him just being ‘off’. Like I said in the doc: make Sparks more than a match for Stascream—heck, even play around with the idea and do a reversal of sorts, Sparks being the manipulator, and Starscream falling into his plan by just being Starscream—a Batman Gambit, so to speak.

In conclusion: this story shows great potential, but it still has some ways to go before said potential is truly realized. Work on the plot, work on making the story flow more naturally, work on your punctuation and your narration flow, and most importantly, work on Sparks.

Once you’ve done all of that, return to us for further assistance.

-E.D. Garnot
>> No. 117195
>>117139
Damn do I have a lot to work on. Like a super a lot. And I don't know how I messed up spelling Deceptacon, I'm actually embarrassed. Still you can have my nerd credentials when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
But seriously thanks for the review now I'm off to work on this thing more. I'll take what you said with me and do my best and when I return hopefully my fic will be a hundred times better. Thanks again for giving me some of your time. See you around in the future.
>> No. 117198
>>117195
Dammit I did it AGAIN!!
I mint to spell Decepticon.
I'm gonna go type that a hundred times until I get it right.
>> No. 117294
Hello, I was sent here by AzuNyan from the training grounds, suggesting Soundslikeponies to look at my story for a second opinion.

Please let me know whether you decide to review it or not, as I do understand it is over 10k words. The most reliable way to reach me is to probably either leave a comment on the Google Docs page or to e-mail me at eyeclops@anypony.com. Thanks ahead of time.

Title: Nopony's Innocent
Author: Eyeclops
Word Count: 20221
Synopsis: An assassin is hired by a pony to end the life of Rainbow Dash. With the idea that he can't kill unless he has proven to himself the pony deserves death, he sets out to end her life. However, when he finds himself incapable of finding any reason to kill Rainbow Dash, he finds himself trapped in a moral dilemma with no way out. One that also triggers a personal conflict within a certain Twilight Sparkle.
>> No. 117344
Mr. Garnot,

I have read all of the comments that you have made on my story chapter and would like to take the opportunity to say that I am gravely sorry. I can only imagine what irksome torture it must have been, having to write "Change period to comma." over and over again like Bart Simpson writing the school rules on the chalkboard. I must say, I have a new found respect for reviewers like you.

Sincerely,
Sean
>> No. 117345
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Hello SLP and Garnot! I have an Adventure Time MLP crossover that I thought one of you (or both) might enjoy. It's just the prologue now, but more to come pending this review!

Title: Pony Time
Author: Bronius Maximus
WC: 3105
Syn: The Elements of Harmony have been summoned to Canterlot for an emergency meeting. The princesses have disappeared! A strange creature and his magic dog claim to have knowledge of what happened to the ruling alicorns, and is willing to take the six ponies on a journey to his realm to rescue them.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L7sikJFw2bQsOajqUEvFp5Q80HH4ReyB1hVvKwTpfgI/edit
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I apologize for essentially ‘reposting’ this; there were a few grievous errors I missed while posting last time—no doubt due to being tired. At any rate, I’ve corrected them as best as possible.

>>117344
Heh, don't sweat it. Trust me when I say that while it can be irksome, it really depends on the story being told--and yours was quite good in that regard, so it wasn’t that irksome.

At any rate, have your review!

>>117084
Now, this review I’ll keep short, because—honestly, there isn’t much that needs to be said about this story (and most of what needed to be said was said in the Gdoc notes, which you've already corrected by the looks of it). Overall, the story was written quite well (minor a few elements, which I’ll point out), the plot follows a nice, rigid format, and the elements are there to spice up the narrative. Characters are good (save a few small gripes) and the mechanics—barring punctuation hiccups here and there—are quite solid. All in all, a good piece.

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
-Basic errors—most of your mistakes were basic in nature, dealing with punctuations and the occasional extra space. I pointed these in the Doc, so you shouldn’t have trouble with them.

-SDT—this one is minor, but still present. Just keep in mind that you have to focus on more descriptive language than tellish language. If you must tell us about something, make sure it moves the plot forward.

-Some minor character inconsistencies—for the most part, you have your characters out in a way that is both in-show, yet quite obviously following a path all their own. They emote and are well developed. However, there are few instances where you might have pushed the characters in a direction that isn’t quite the right one. A good example is Sapphire. This one is tricky, considering she’s only had a few minutes of actual screen time. However, from what was seen, she appears to be quite confident and very, very outrageous. Her character doesn’t really have room for deep sentiment, though such an idea is more than welcome for her character. However, in your interpretation, you seem to go just a bit overboard, even showing her shedding a tear (in a dramatic fashion no less) during one of her conversations. You might want to consider livening down some of the emotions. Build them up and save them for when things really start to build up in future chapters.

-Detailed Review-
-Characters—not much to say here. Your characters worked for the grand majority of the story, unless when stated otherwise. Vinyl felt like Vinyl—albeit missing just a bit more of her trademark personality, which is actually warranted considering we see her in a slightly ‘vulnerable’ state. Sapphire—aside from what I pointed out about her emotion suddenly going a bit overboard—also worked quite well, showing us a side of the Diva rarely seen as well as painting her personality in a believable manner, and just about every other minor character also had qualities that made them quite likable. Little to no gripes here.

-Plot—the plot for this story—as far as it has been presented—builds up interest for what’s to come. Granted, it’s kind of strange to read a story whose focus is that same-gender relations are taboo when the fandom as a whole seems to have no real issue with this matter. However, when viewed from the perspective of an outsider, this story does show the reality that most of us have to deal with: love is complicated, and often, it must be fought for. In that regard, this story is building up to be quite the show, and the characters already bear many qualities that can make this story one of those that will stand out among the crowd. However, I again must point out that in the case of this particular tale, exaggeration can be a bit of a downfall. In that regard, you must walk a fine line between acknowledging what the overall fandom will find ‘redundant’ what they’ll find ‘engaging. I personally believe you should completely continue in the direction you are heading. It will fashion a tale that, as your version of Sapphire pointed out, will be unique; and unique stories are what pushes the envelope.

-Mechanics—not much to say here, as you’ve already seen my notes on your document. Work on your punctuations, see about using more varied forms of punctuation, and keep punctuations consistent with the flow of the narration.

-Final Thoughts-
Overall, this story has proven to be entertaining and written quite well. Correct what I’ve pointed out and you will be more than golden. I would recommend you have this story looked at by the likes of Umbra and GoldenVision, as well as my partner SLP, as he’s far more acquainted with shipping than I am, and he might be able to find a few things I might have missed. But make sure you correct and change the story before seeking them out.

Other than that, can’t wait to see where you next head with the story. It’s definitely one to keep an eye out for.

E.D. Garnot

>>117345
Adventure time and MLP, all rolled into one...

Heh, SLP, give me a pinch—I think I might be dreaming...
>> No. 117593
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Well, with school starting tomorrow (exactly at five on the dot for me), I find myself with time suddenly being shortened to lengths that I’ve dreaded, but must cope with nonetheless. It’s a sad fact that reviews will come at an even slower pace. Rest assured though, that I’ll still continue to look over work, even if I must deal with various pressing issues first. School can be such a drag at times…

Regardless, it’s time I talked a bit about this story. It’s quite interesting, though it feels a bit scattered in its overall designed. It tries to present this ambitious story, yet it never quite settles on what it wants to convey, nor who should be the one to convey it. Nonetheless, the story still shows promise where it counts—its overall ideas.

Let’s dive in, shall we?

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
-Formatting—you use some odd formatting choices, the most obvious of these being the use of coding—which you’ve no doubt left in order to make posting on such sites as FIMfiction easier. Still, there are cleaner methods of doing this, and I encourage you do so, as coding doesn’t look quite as clean as it should, and might actively detract from the work presented.

-More varied punctuation—you need to use more varied punctuations in your story. Other than periods and commas, you need em-dashes and semicolons, though be careful about using too many semicolons, as it can lead to your narration dragging a bit. The best course of action is to learn where commas and em-dashes work best, and where they don’t. The best way to know this for a fact is through the narration itself. If you feel your flow is disrupted at any time because of punctuations, then you likely need to revise their usage.

-Tenses—watch your tenses. As I read, I felt that some areas would benefit from tense revisions. Again, it has to do with the overall flow of the narration. If a situation calls for a tense change (present to past, past to present) then don’t hesitate to do so.

-Speaking verbs—you need to add more speaking verbs. Some of your statements either ends before you can flesh these out, or don’t even have them in at all. Speaking verbs allow you to transition from dialogue to descriptors in a smooth manner while also keeping the narration flow intact.

-Detailed Review-
-Characters—
Characters; this is where the story falls somewhat short of expectations. For one thing, it moves between a young Celestia and her father, to the present with the CmC and the story’s villains, to a mention of Trixie of all things, though her appearance is anything but common. It’s hard to explain it, but you never quite focus on any one particular character long enough to really develop feels and emotions. You constantly move about, attempting to show us as much as possible while negating the aspect that would make your tale stick with the readers: the characters, their personalities, and their struggles.

Let’s take your villains for example. For one thing, you don’t make any effort to explain who they are. You mention names and do play around with the idea that they do what they do ‘strictly because of business’, but this leads to a dichotomy between the reader and these characters. So far, your main villain is vague and bland, seemingly bent on the singular goal of world domination. You have not given him a proper motivation nor even a proper physical description. As is, the reader is left to assume that this pony is some kind of crazed scientist whose sole goals so far are merely ‘for science’ and ‘rule the world’. His henchmen do get more description, starting with ‘Gore’ (aka Greg the griffon)—who seems to be the most level-headed of the trio, and Rot, who for some reason struck me as a less dense and childish Gluttony from ‘Fullmetal Alchemist’, especially with his last remark about ‘eating subject 7’. Again, out of these viallins, Greg appears to be the most sensible one, commenting on how he does it because it’s a paycheck. This however, begs the question; is he doing this because he wishes it, or does he enjoy the work on a deeper level, using the excuse of ‘money’ as a way to continue on his work without having to accept he’s sick to the core?

While this is entirely possible, you’ve left characters so far underdeveloped, and your story already suffers for it. The only characters that are so far developed—and that’s because have come with pre-made personalities—is the CmC, and even they leave much to be desired.

What you need to do is give the characters more of a focus. Use the scenes with the villain to give him more of a defining personality. It doesn’t have to be all of it at once (after all, this is only the first of many chapters) but you should at least drop qualities that will shape who this individual will be. Use foreshadowing and allusions; give the reader something to look forward to in the character. Greg and Rot can also use exposition; though play them as you have. Make Rot more of a ‘hound’, his personality more of a willing servant with little in the way of actual drive, but do so by giving him a reason. Have him be dense yet strong; so that he fits the ‘muscle’ trope to a T. Greg is a little more difficult, for he might develop into a complex character all his own. Play him as the deadpan and indifferent merc, who holds his reservations to the job—and may even be amicable towards the ‘victims’ of the pony’s mad experiments—but never quite doing anything so long as he gets a big-fat paycheck. Use this fact to both stick him to the villain, but also to ultimately have him turn on his boss once he gets a better offer. Greg’s all about the money—use that to your advantage.

Finally, you have the ‘doctor.’ You need to give this character the biggest overhaul in personality—as in, he needs to be given one. He’s dull, uninteresting, and again, seemingly acting only for the science and the world domination angle. He needs more of a catch to make him truly interesting. Give him a reason for his actions. Perhaps he’s not quite as evil as he seems, and only does what he does because he really believes it’s the only way to prevent X disaster; perhaps he’s as evil as he seems, but actually has an ulterior motive for it, such as wanting to prove a point or two. Maybe he has no real rhyme or reason, doing what he does not only because he can, but because no one will stop him. The ‘doctor’ needs to have a reason set early on for his actions.

The rest of the characters also need expanding, but first, you need to fix your plot…

-Plot—
The plot is the second big element where your story takes a nosedive. It’s unfocused and tries to cover far too much in too short a timeframe. Let me break it down for you:

You being the story by more or less setting up the plot that a young Celestia and Luna must escape before Discord arrives. You more or less promise a plot that involves the two young regents having to live in hiding among old earth ponies, living in fear of a being whose power they cannot hope to match on their own. Worse, you imply that the father of this two regents is going to perish, just as his own father had. This alone would make an incredible—albeit predictable and a bit overdone—plot. However, just when it seems like you’ve settled on a plot, you suddenly jump to a situation that quite honestly, made no sense. It was unexpected, but forgivable.

So then we focus on what the reader is obviously supposed to believe are the antagonist as they attempt to create what I can only describe as pony Frankensteins for… no specified reason other than ‘world domination’.

That’s fine, so long as the reasons are believable. Perhaps the pony doing this believes in some sort of twisted moral that sees him creating the ‘atrocities’ for some ulterior motive. Again, that’s fine, provided its given exposition.

However, you then jump to a school scene to show a lesson involving the tribes of ponies. This part works because it actually explains things well, even if it so far has little relevance to the rest of the plot. It introduces what the reader is to assume will be the main characters, the CmC. However, just as you seem to finally be heading down a right direction, you jump to a scene where you more or less show us Trixie and her… less than favorable fate.

Honestly, this scene more or less comes out of nowhere. It isn’t foreshadowed nor does it hold any real rhyme outside of giving us bit of background for Greg, which could have been done the previous scene with the ‘doctor’. From there, you jump between the CmC, Dash, Twilight, and the Doctor once again—each jump just as jarring as the last. The Dash scene where she’s fantasying about… I’m not even quite sure what she’s fantasying bout other than it involving Gilda and joining ‘the clan’ is more or less unneeded. It builds nothing, provides no real answers to what is happening, and it does nothing to show us character. Whatever information is dropped is so vague as to be confusing, even if it is meant to be later expanded.

Finally, the ending of the chapter implies quite a lot, but again, you don’t give us much characterization from the main villain, and foreshadow nothing. This doesn’t do anything to hype readers for what might yet happen in the next chapters.

My suggestion is that you really look at your plot, pick the parts that you know will not only move the story forward, but also provide the best amount of exposition to sell both the characters and the world to the reader, and use that to forge a story that is both memorable and unique. Omit characters that hold no value (such as Dash, unless you give her more a reason for being present) and refine the characters present so every word they utter moves the plot forward.

-Mechanics—
Your mechanics could use some work. You need to not only use more varied punctuations and speaking verbs, but also where to put commas to create a narration flow, where to use periods to create tension and emphasis, and where to drop allusions, foreshadowing, and syntax that both serves to show how characters talk, as well as serve as possible wordplays to really create a sense of immersion. Your grammar is fine for the most part, but writing’s more than just grammar.

I guess what I mean to say is that you need to think a bit more about how you use certain words and phrases.

-Ending statement-
As a whole, I would say this tale holds promise. The plot sounds interesting, and the idea of there being a crazed stallion of science willing to alter pony physiology to meet whatever sick ends he may hold is valid—if a bit overused. However, the story is bogged down by a seemingly lack of focus, underdeveloped characters (even for a first chapter) and the desire to tackle too much in too short a time.

You need to pick what you believe will work, shrink the focus, and expand on these aspects to forge your story from there. Remember; the best stories are those whose focus is rock-solid on a specific location. I know this because I too attempted to tell too much at one point, and failed at it, so this warning comes from personal experience.

Take care of everything that I’ve pointed out, and return to SLP and I for further assistance. Best of luck, and by all means feel free to bash me for me less-than-stellar views.

E.D. Garnot

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Well folks, I’ll take this opportunity to lay down some news.

The first of this news is that starting tomorrow I’ll once again resume my schooling. That means that I’ll be busy for the grand majority of the day. That will of course translate to even slower reviews than normal, one or two a week at best.

My apologies in advance for this.

Secondly, I would like to apologize to Eyeclops, especially since SLP and I do realize he’s likely been waiting for some time, but we are going to have to reject his entry. The reason? It’s length. I point to our thread rule No. 6: “If you expect us to review anything over 10k words, you better hope we like it, because we won't review it if we don't.”

So far, I’ve given your story a brief look, and I must say that it is quite good for what I’ve read. Unfortunately, at 42 pages long and 20+ k words, it far surpasses what both SLP and I set out to review in our thread. So, for the time being, we are going to have to drop you from the queue

However, if you were to split your tale into manageable pieces that never exceed 10k words, I’ll take on your story, though again, due to my new time constraints, it might take some time.

Same goes for you DanSplats, you are still pending by SLP, so you can go either way. If he agrees, then I expect to take on your work. If not, then follow the spoilered text above.

GV and BM, your stories will be reviewed soon. SLP and I appreciate the patience.

That is all for now. Have a good evening.
>> No. 117634
>>117593
I understand why you've rejected my story, and I didn't actually expect a review. Thanks again, anyways! ^_^

I wish you the best of luck with your schooling!
>> No. 117636
>>117634
I might have phrased that awkward, I was hoping for a review, but didn't really expect it to happen.
Still, thanks again. ^_^
>> No. 117689
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>>117104
well, I noticed you started mixing in more vivid body language since the last fic of your I reviewed.

em dashes and (to a lesser extent) semicolons:
That being said, it feels like you just read about how em dashes work before writing this. Meaning, you abuse them, and use them in places where they are technically correct, but in poor stylistic taste.

A quick ctrl+f shows 69 em dashes in your fic.

Em dashes can be used in place of commas or semicolons, but you only really want to use them in place of the former two when you desire a sense of abruptness to what's after, or between, the two em dashes. That is—after all—what their purpose is.

This problem also showed up once or twice with semicolons.

Aside from most of the semicolons and em dashes in the fic being stylistically poor choice, a few of them are just plain incorrect.

Diction:
Not too much to say here. I pointed out most instances of this, but some of your writing suffered from 'robotic diction.'

Twilight analyzed the subterranean caverns and attempted to deduce the best course of action.

The above is a slightly exaggerated example, but hopefully it illustrates the idea. Try to avoid using 'scientific' terms in your description of things so that it may stay in layman's terms.

sequence of reaction:
typically, with few exceptions, all action follows a sequence. If the sequence is out of order, then it just feels off. The typical sequence is:
Motivation

Feeling
Reflex
Action

Motivation is most often in its own paragraph, but it doesn't have to be. Motivation is Chrysalis shooting a bolt of magic and Twilight, or a boulder being hurled at her.
Feeling is probably the most optional. It's Twilight's blood running cold, a rush of adrenaline, shock, disbelief, pain.
Reflex is optional, and the knee-jerk reaction to the emotion and the motivation. It's Twilight whipping her head around to look behind her, her eyes snapping open, sometimes it can be combined with--
Action is the only part aside from motivation that is required in the sequence. Even if your character takes no action you should say that they freeze, or stand petrified. Action is the step where Twilight fires a bolt of magic back, or rolls out of the way, or shouts "You'll never get away with this!" etc, etc.

I mostly noticed that the first action scene, with the changeling invasion, was lackluster. I'd strongly recommend chiseling at it heavily, since it's the beginning and everything.

I also wanted to illustrate these, because it felt like your action scene at the end was sparse on the optional parts, making it not quite as gripping or engaging because I didn't feel like I was Twilight. Although I was yelling at people on DotA earlier, and I am a little hoarse.

Italic emphasis:
When you read italic emphasis, the speech in your head slows the word down and stresses it. It really does. Some of your emphases felt out of place, and I felt you emphasized words a little too frequently.

Characterization:
Speech patterns felt slightly off of your own establishment of them, as well as the canon establishment. The words your characters use, the way they talk, didn't feel as well defined as it could have been.

This issue was noticeable on cadence, whose character, I felt, had very little impact.

You know those characters where you just know who they are almost instantly? The author introduces them in such a way that you get a very clear understanding of their character within only a few moments of meeting them? My Little Pony did this aspect quite well, making the introductions of each pony very memorable (aside from maybe pinkie pie, but her second, more complete introduction did a good job).

That being said, Twilight's characterization wasn't bad, her speech patterns just felt slightly off. And Cadence's characterization didn't exactly feel bad, it just didn't have much oomph to really establish her as a character. The things she said and the way she acted were too generic and lacking personality.

I wouldn't really say this section is a huge problem, just that it could be better.

Seeing character thoughts we shouldn't:
Most of your character thoughts were fine, and appropriate. In fact, I didn't even notice this as a problem from the halfway point onward, but the first half of your story has a lot of character thoughts that should have been told as narration, were redundant to the narration, or should be cut.

It felt like your fic was much better in the second half. Problems were less abundant, and the story and writing were more engaging.

Keeping a groundhog day story interesting is a challenge, since you have to have repetition in it. Just want to keep you wary of repeating too much and not throwing enough variety in to keep the reader happy.
>> No. 117704
>>117055
When deciding whether to keep a fic over 10k in queue, I more or less look at how much I feel it would need commenting.

If it looks polished and needs little commenting, I review it, but I don't think this is the case for your fic. While it doesn't look like it has too many mechanical errors, it looks like it has some issues in storytelling and style, and those take a while to explain.

If you want some quick things I noted, one is that you abuse ellipses far too much, and the other is that your narration is thoughts.

The narration is disengaging in parts, and the story includes scenes and content that does not forward the characters or the plot.

I hope you find a reviewer for your work.
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>>117689
Hey SLP, and thank you so much for the review. I'll definitely get straight to work on this, and a lot of what you pointed out makes definite sense. I was actually already planning on reworking the opening scene a bit, so I apologize if what you saw wasn't my best work.

All the other stuff is spot-on. I'll do my best to fix up the dialogue, mechanics, and all that other fun stuff. I'm actually pleasantly surprised—this is the first time I've ever heard of someone using TOO MANY em-dashes. Guess that says something about me, huh?

Anyways, thanks again! Back to the drawing board!
>> No. 117784
Hey SLP and Garnot, I dropped the first chapter of my fic (From Scratch) into your queue. I've finally decided to bite the bullet and completely rewrite it. It's in a completely different style than the old one, and I am particularly curious to know how engaging it is.

So while you're free to analyze however much of it that you wish, I'd mostly like to know if there is any part in which you get bored. I'm not completely sold on this version and want some feedback. This also hasn't gone through my editor yet, so I'm sorry if there are some silly mistakes.

Like I said, though, I want some conceptual feedback. I've been having a hard time deciding if I like the new version, so I figured some outside opinions would be helpful.
>> No. 117813
>>117784
> 4) You will put your title, author name, word count, and synopsis in your post.
>> No. 117817
>>117813
Derp, sorry long day, I apparently derped the password too so I'll just rewrite sorry.

Title: From Scratch

Author: Kaldanor

Words: 3395

Synopsis: Octavia has hit rock bottom. After the Gala and being forced to play that song, she was cast out by high society. Now she must gather the shreds of her pride, only to have to swallow them to work under the only pony seemingly willing to hire her. Now it's time for her to make a name for herself all over again, and she's determined to make it no matter what. Even if she has to start over from Scratch.

Comments: Hey SLP and Garnot, I dropped the first chapter of my fic (From Scratch) into your queue. I've finally decided to bite the bullet and completely rewrite it. It's in a completely different style than the old one, and I am particularly curious to know how engaging it is.

So while you're free to analyze however much of it that you wish, I'd mostly like to know if there is any part in which you get bored. I'm not completely sold on this version and want some feedback. This also hasn't gone through my editor yet, so I'm sorry if there are some silly mistakes.

Like I said, though, I want some conceptual feedback. I've been having a hard time deciding if I like the new version, so I figured some outside opinions would be helpful.
>> No. 117837
Hello its me again, I went over your review of Unbroken Steel: Rainbow Dash and Starscream, and like you said and I made the corrections to the story and stuff. So hopefully this goes better.
I tried what you recommended I do to improve the character interactions and I did some work on Sparks, giving him more of a back story and personality in the first chapter and I had the characters do more with each other and I have this little in between where you see how Starscream met Sparks and what Rainbow Dash and he were up to while he was in his spark form. I tried some things this time around and hope they were good ideas, I guess you'll see what I mean this time around hopefully. I did try to add a bit of a not too in your face message thing about technology... um this is getting too long so I'll get to the point... Also I fixed the errors with the Decepticon word.

I guess I should do this now:

Title: Unbroken Steel Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Author: Mad-Mutt (me)
Characters: Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Word count: A little over 9000 I think now.
Synopsis: A shipping fic between Rainbow Dash and Starscream that's done as realistically as possible. Also has action and adventure in it.

Hope you find it more entertaining than the last time. Either way thanks for your time and help.
>> No. 117839
>>117837
>7) You are not allowed to resubmit the same story unless it has been drastically rewritten.
>> No. 117842
I'm sorry, my dumb ass forgot to put the link in the last one, I'm really, really sorry about that:
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOnEslMAzXh9Uchbt-PJF2UHYmaWcMAqAZegamPbZOM/edit?pli=1

Hello its me again, I went over your review of Unbroken Steel: Rainbow Dash and Starscream, and like you said and I made the corrections to the story and stuff. So hopefully this goes better.
I tried what you recommended I do to improve the character interactions and I did some work on Sparks, giving him more of a back story and personality in the first chapter and I had the characters do more with each other and I have this little in between where you see how Starscream met Sparks and what Rainbow Dash and he were up to while he was in his spark form. I tried some things this time around and hope they were good ideas, I guess you'll see what I mean this time around hopefully. I did try to add a bit of a not too in your face message thing about technology... um this is getting too long so I'll get to the point... Also I fixed the errors with the Decepticon word.

I guess I should do this now:

Title: Unbroken Steel Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Author: Mad-Mutt (me)
Characters: Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Word count: A little over 9000 I think now.
Synopsis: A shipping fic between Rainbow Dash and Starscream that's done as realistically as possible. Also has action and adventure in it.

Hope you find it more entertaining than the last time. Either way thanks for your time and help.
>> No. 117843
>>117839

How drastically? I put in a lot and I change quiet a few parts. Some things are the same but I rewrote and added so much it's almost twice as long. I've worked on it every day for the past week but if that's still not enough then I guess that's okay I'll just take my business else where. No hard feelings.
>> No. 117847
>>117843
I should not be able to recognize it. Edits don't cut it, it has to be a rewrite.
>> No. 118342
Well, hi. I'd like to submit my fic for a review.

Title: She Came In Through The Bathroom Window.
Author: DeiStar
Tags: Comedy, Slice of Life.
Words: 7127
Synopsis: Twilight was expecting to have a nice, relaxing morning bath. What she did not expect, was for Rainbow Dash to interrupt her by crashing through the window. Twilight, instead of yelling at Rainbow, invites her to take a bath together.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pvhVyvXd1b_bk_EkSXdiIPHHuThKp8t5mlI0mMWjoh8/edit

Note: Despite the title and description. This is not a TwiDash shipfic.

I will patiently await for the review. Thanks again.
>> No. 118359
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Well, School’s kicking my rear harder than it should. Things have gone a bit south, but other than the usual ‘schoolwork’ to groan over, and the fact that layoffs struck my sector, things are still more or less in control… for now.

At any rate, let’s see what we have here tonight. Ah, yes, Bronius Maximus’ story “pony time”, a crossover between the worlds of Ooo and Equestria.

The premise lends itself to a promising future, where comedy and adventure ensues, bringing two worlds that, for the most part, could seemingly coexists in the same planet. Both are colorful and whimsical, yet deceptively dangerous, filled with incredible wonders, terrible horrors, heroic champions, and great evils.

Yes, it is indeed a story that would lend itself to a great plot. But as I’ve come to learn, not everything turns out as expected.

So without further ado, let us dive into “Pony Time.”

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

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-Points of interest-
-Briefness—the story, for the most part, felt extremely brief, almost to the point that it could be considered rushed. While a ‘rushed’ strategy for writing can often lead to great results—such as moving the plot forward at a fast pace, getting to the goods parts, and maybe even preventing readers from growing bored—the way you do so in this story leaves a lot to be desired. For starters, you under develop a lot of scenes, right from the beginning. The scene where Twilight first receives Cadences’ letter could have been better developed. The scene in the train could have been used to show some character development between the six—even if they are more or less ‘canon’ personalities. The scene at the palace could have used A LOT more exposition, such as further character development, livelier descriptions of the scenes, and more information as to the state to Celestia’s room. You more or less TOLD us that info, rather than letting us see it first hand and allow the images to actively seep into our minds. But the one area that could have used the most exposition in was the dungeon where the ponies were keeping me and my bro. I mean, common, you quite literally glaze over it, going straight for the jugular, yet negating the fact that said jugular was protected by a pair of vicious claws. The entire scene could have used exposition. How exactly did my bro and I get there? How were we caught? Why were we just sitting around when we could have escaped using the Gauntlet of the Hero (I know my bro’s partially to blame, but you don’t even allude this).

In short, expand your scenes and provide details. Don’t go overboard and always show more than you tell.

-General Vagueness—this one is short, but quite jarring. Some scenes felt vague in their nature. It has to do with how you seem to rush scenes, but there is more to it than that. Honestly, the world just feels small. Descriptive exposition would fix this.

-Unexplained events—this one sort of harkens back to the vagueness, but it’s more complex than that. The best way I can describe it is that you leave quite a lot without explanation. The obvious one would be how that no-good Ice King got to the world of Equestria in the first place, but judging by the fact that this is episodic, that might get covered later. However, you still leave several facts unexplained, such as why my Bro would choose to stay in the dungeon rather than escape, how we got caught in the first place (and why we didn’t chase after the Ice king after he captured those two winged horse princesses), how Cadence managed to raise the Sun with her limited power, and why Shining Armor was in the throne room rather than down in the dungeons asking us about the entire situation. You would expect as much from the captain. It makes much more sense to have him already be down here with us than in the throne room with Cadence. Also, since Cadence more or less RAISED THE SUN on her own, you might want to show her be more worn out by the ordeal. If that was the case, the Shining’s presence would be warranted, as he would be looking after his wife.

-Detailed Review-
-Characters—
Characters in this story are all over the place. For the most part, you don’t quite use the six enough to really say “they are out of character,” so for now, the mane six appear to be in order. Other than a few small quirks I pointed out in the doc, Twilight is fine, and so is Spike. Shining seems to be in order, and so is Cadence. However, that still doesn’t explain why Cadence isn’t as tired or worn out as she should be after raising the sun, or why Shining wasn’t down in the dungeons questioning me and my bro. Again, a few additions will fix this issues for the most part.

Now, far as OUR characterizations go, we seemed fine for the most part, save for the lack of an explanation as to why my bro DIDN’T USE THE GAUNTLET OF THE HERO TO GET US OUT. Yes, I know he has his hero’s honor, but he makes no mention of it, which I find odd. I also find it odd how Shining trusted him so quickly, even though we are not of your world for the most part.

Also, while the Gauntlet of the Hero isn’t really a ‘character’, it has personality and a limited sentience, so I’ll write it here: why was it capable of opening a portal to Ooo in the first place? Also, if I recall correctly, the Gauntlet was destroyed by the Litch, so the fact that my Bro had another one in his backpack is a bit… odd… but judging by all our misadventures, I’ll say it’s the least odd thing that’s happened so far.

All in all, characters seem to be more or less in the right path. Future chapters will tell if you keep on the good road, or veer into a bad one.

-Plot—
The plot is… rather simple to be honest. There isn’t this crazy plot as to how me and my bro got to Equestria, just that we came chasing the Ice King, and he managed to slip us by. I’m still trying to wonder HOW we got caught in the first place, but I feel that might have been Finn’s fault.

But honestly, the plot is unengaging so far. I mean, it follows a plausible premise, but it doesn’t really bear any of the crazed trademarks that usually make up me and my bro’s adventures. I mean, yes, you are likely going to drop more as the story goes on, but keep in mind that the first chapter ALWAYS has to impress if you want to keep readers engaged. So far, you’ve more or less neglected that.

However, not all is lost. You just have to find a way to show OUR plight before getting to the pony section. After all, what better way to engage your readers than by showing them good-ol’ fashioned adventure?

-Mechanics—
Aside from a few odd misplacements of commas and minor capitalization hiccups, the mechanics were fine. At the moment, I’m feeling quite worn in this department, so I would suggest you seek Seidio’s help, as he’s already proven to be quite adept at the mechanics of stories.

What I did find, I pointed out. Again, not much from my end, but I might have missed something.

-Ending statement-
All in all, a story that walks the line between been ‘engaging’ and ‘boring.’ It has potential, but you’ll need to work out the kinks before it’s ready for primetime. The biggest issue here is the plot itself: it relies too much on the ponies’ view, completely negating the view of my Bro and I. It also lacks details where needed, and seems almost too eager to move forward, to the point that it’s just about ready to stumble and take a nasty fall.

Correct the issues I’ve pointed out, keeping in mind that the best thing you can do is keep your readers engaged, and you’ll be golden.

That is all for now. I’m Garnot, and I am out.
>> No. 118432
>>118359
Thanks for the review!

My biggest rebuttal is probably the fact that this is just the prologue. not the first chapter, the prologue. It asks the questions you asked and they will be explained in the coming chaps. I didn't want to start out with Finn and Jake because not all bronies know about adventure time. Starting out with them would give it the feel of an AT crossed with MLP, instead of the other way around. (if that makes sense).

Without giving away too much, the Hero's Gauntlet is in their pack for a reason, and Finn allowed himself and Jake to get caught because he isn't a law breaker. I thought this line made that clear:
>"Because dude! We're heroes, not villains, and heroes don't break laws!"

Of course he could have just sauntered out of prison if he wanted to, but he realized that the other ponies were trying to protect their princess, and because a creature on two legs stole them, they naturally assumed Finn was an accomplice. Finn knows it was just a misunderstanding, and waited to explain himself when shining came to talk.

Now, why wasn't he already interrogating? Shining has to help Cadence raise the sun, because she isn't strong enough by herself. On top of that, a fool would try to interrogate alien beings with no backup.

I had a few lines referring to Cadences ragged appearance, but I guess a few more couldn't hurt.

Remember, this is just the opening, and it is meant to pose the questions that will be answered later.

Anyway, thanks for the detailed review, and I'll take your thoughts into consideration.
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>>117817
My first immediate thought reading this, was wondering when something interesting would happen.

It became clear about 2/3rds of the way through the story that you started at the wrong place.

You current beginning of describing how bitter Octavia is, how her life is unfair, and how horrible the apartment she is now forced to live in is, is not the way you want to start a story.

If anything, I would think the story would have been better flipped on its head. The story would start with the brief bit about how Octavia had been kicked from high society, and the story would start with the audition. That would be the beginning spike of interest that your story so desperately lacks right now. Good pacing involves a burst of action or interest at the start to pull the reader into the story, before winding down to draw the reader into the world more. A story that starts with pages of complaining and description of a crappy apartment does not garner interest.

Aside from that, there's your diction and syntax. Your word choice could use a bit of work, and the way you use sentence structures causes your sentences to feel like they tumbled into place beside one another, rather than flowing from one sentence to the next.

Unfortunately the awkward syntax this isn't something simple that I can give a brief lesson on. The only thing I can really recommend on that front is that you try reading your writing out loud, and see what you can learn from it.

When it comes to diction, it's much easier to give advice here. Don't stretch the meaning of something so you can use a fancy word. Being afraid is not the same as being terrified. You run the risk of your writing sounding awkward or melodramatic when you do not use the word with the proper connotation.

You add unnecessary words to assert description. She was quite certain she had. . . She literally danced with her instrument as. . . And other little words or phrases that are called pleonasms. They serve to weaken your writing and kill its impact.

You have several comma splices. Be careful of those.

And I'd say the last note on this review would be your frequent use of 'this,' 'here,' and 'these' in past tense. It reads awkwardly, and you should cut down heavily on it.

Its prose feels like it could use some thorough polishing, but the direction of the story seems good.
>> No. 118441
>>118438
Thanks for the comments, the first chapter has been bothering me for a while. I'll take a look at what you said and the comments on the story.

That chapter is much worse than what I'd normally like to submit for review but I didn't really want to go through and edit the crap out of it if the concept didn't work.

Thanks again,
-Kal
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>>118342
First off, you don't capitalize 'in' and 'the' in a title unless they are the first word.

This fic fell a little flat for me. Your characters' dialogue doesn't sound like them. Twilight says things that sound like Rarity would say them, very little of Dash's speech comes through in the dialogue in this, and some of the character reactions/logic/motivation are just plain weird and forced feeling. Most notably of which was probably when the two of them start crying and Twilight says thinks of her like a sister.

This story didn't really work for me. I can't describe it in any way other than its flow of logic felt clunky and disjointed. Things didn't progress into each other in a way that quite made sense, not on the story level, but on a sentence by sentence level. The sentences just didn't flow into each other properly. The conversation and emotions had barely any transition from one part to the next, the writing often went on tangents for the sake of showing or making a simile, but they were often weird, and didn't fit. The way that some phrases were butchered, or out of order, was something I remember from the last fic of yours I reviewed, and I think I wound up asking if you were European (and I can't remember the answer). It might be a good idea to google some of the idioms you use, because quite a few of them are wrong.

Aside from that, the story:

Twilight asking Dash to take a bath with her is weird. It could work, but the way you presented it didn't seem in character of her, or logical. It doesn't really form, it just comes out of nowhere, from "Rainbow Dash crashes into her bathroom" to "she looks worried about something" to "I'll get her to take a bath with me"

You definitely overdid it with reminding the reader every two paragraphs how marvelous and magnificent and fabulous and delicious (which is still a weird and slightly creep word choice) the bath water is.

The way Dash accepts Twilight's offer and the bit where she gets in the bathtub are handled a bit awkwardly, and it doesn't really feel like she's given enough reason to change her mind and get in.

Twilight gets Dash to open up, Dash mentions her crush about soarin', and Twilight tells her a crush is nothing to be embarrassed about. But your particular key word choice in this instance feels off. You have Dash say it's a weakness, and then Twilight say it's not a weakness to have a crush on someone. Something logical for Dash to be worried about would be ponies teasing or poking fun at her for it, somepony telling soarin', or making her seem less cool and ruining her image with the idea of lovey-dovey stuff (that one I felt you got right, at least).

Where Twilight says it feels like she's talking to the sister she's never had, and begins to cry (causing dash to cry, too) that sort of comes from not exactly nowhere, but a place just to the left of nowhere. It feels forced and melodramatic.

The letter from Twilight was good, aside from the points I commented on.

All in all, if I had to pinpoint the weak points in the story right now, it would be the crying bit, and the bit where Twilight convinces Dash to take a bath (which are both pretty major).


Back to the mechanical:
You should avoid stilted writing, which is when you write multiple sentences with the same noun-subject. They fall flat, even if you vary the sentence structure greatly.

For example:
> She collapsed on the carpet with a sigh. Looking up at the wall, she checked the time, and noticed it was almost time for her to go out and feed the cattle. With a grunt, she rose to her legs, feeling a tired pull under her eyes as she looked outside and saw the sun about to set. She sighed and walked at a subdued pace to the door, opening it, and beginning to walk towards the barn.

>she, she, she, she

Despite the varying sentences, this passage falls flat because it is stilted. You may want to try reading it out loud if you don't see it.

>But how do you fix that?

Here's the same example, with some sentences thrown in with different noun subjects:

>She collapsed on the carpet with a sigh. Moving the pigs from one pen to another by herself was no easy work, and as if seeing how tired she'd been, the pigs had decided to make it even more difficult for her. Looking up at the wall, she checked the time, and noticed it was almost time for her to go out and feed the cattle. At least the cattle were usually more cooperative than the pigs when it came to getting her chores done. With a grunt, she rose to her legs, feeling a tired pull under her eyes as she looked outside and saw the sun about to set. It would probably be dark before she finished feeding all the animals. Normally her and Big Mac would split the job, and be done before sun down. She sighed and walked at a subdued pace to the door, opening it, and beginning to walk towards the cattle barn.

> she, the pigs, she, the cattle, she, the animals, the job

And with those differences, the writing is no longer stilted. Here I just a sentence with a different subject every second line, but normally you can easily get away with two sentences with the same subject in a row.

Hopefully this review has been helpful, and congrats on the fimfic feature.

(fun fact: every time I do a review, I watch an episode of adventure time and get my post picture from screenshotting a moment in that episode.)
>> No. 118697
>>118689

Well, thank you very much for the extense review.

I have to agree with it. I've been told several times that I tend to screw up sentences. Btw, I'm Mexican, not European, so you can tell my main language is Spanish. Anyway, about the review:

I agree with the forced feelings at the end with both of them crying and stuff. Honestly, that was just like a "now, feels" moment. I did something like that with a fic of mine called "Rarity's Bad Mane Day".

Rainbow agreeing to take a bath was hard for me to write, mostly because I couldn't come up with anything. Twilight noticing her stress and inviting her to take a bath was just a random thought while writing. I couldn't come up with anything else, and that's why I chose to go with that.

And yeah, I got what you said with the she she she thing. I will try to fix those problems in the future.

So, thanks for the review. It really helps.
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Garnot, as per our discussion, I'm dropping in to make the official review request! I very much appreciate the volunteer of your time and attention, good sir. I do hope you enjoy the tale!

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/231/Divergence
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Title: Researcher Twilight
Author: NATOstrike
Word Count: ~11,400 currently
Synopsis: Twilight Sparkle has been a student and the personal protege of Princess Celestia for many years. However, the Princess is becoming reluctant and unwilling to teach Twilight anything more advanced than what is absolutely necessary to perform her new duties.

Twilight becomes dangerously obsessed with learning everything about magic and the workings of the world.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T56UflidvnCL_aSxmaOJQdgkBDTazw89qKEOzWH8ovk/edit

My biggest concern right now is the major disconnect between the prologue and chapter 1. I originally wrote the prologue in order to gauge reader interest.

There's a pretty significant time jump between the prologue and the first chapter. According to the plot outline I made, the scene from the prologue won't happen until chapter 15 or so and there's a 12 chapter build up to get back to the level of insanity displayed in the prologue.

Any help you guys can offer is greatly appreciated!
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>>119215
I think my brain stopped working for a moment.

>I originally wrote the prologue in order to gauge reader interest.

As such the prologue was written kind of as a one shot deal, so I don't know how imperative it would be to keep it around.
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>>119215
>Review delayed because I was mauled by a bear. They don't like it when you do stuff with their snout.
I'm going to pick up where I left off in chapter 1(2) tomorrow.

Your writing suffers from a few stylistic problems: "show; don't tell," passive voice, overly generalized descriptions, some abuse of ellipses in one area, and using dashes incorrectly.

That being said, it has decent pacing and intrigue, which places it decently high in my books (out of things I've reviewed) because to me, that's the most important trait of a story. Your writing isn't quite as engaging as it could be due to the issues mentioned above, so I'd look to fixing that.

The full review will come tomorrow with some explanations on these topics and some examples.
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>>119341
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I was a little apprehensive about posting when I saw the 10000 word limit, but I'm glad I did. The comments you've left thus far are extremely helpful.

I'm going to begin making revisions as soon as I get to a computer that doesn't hate Gdocs.
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>>119215
Alright, without further ado, the review.
As per my style the in thread review will more or less be a tailored lesson based on what I saw in your story.

Active vs Passive voice:
When you can, use active voice over passive voice. There are a few exceptions, but only a few.

>What is passive voice?

Passive voice is the description of actions or things using state of being verbs such as 'was' or 'is'. These verbs suffer from being 'generalized verbs' as well as making your writing longer than necessary.

Passive voice:
>Twilight was looking at her friends with tears beginning to form in her eyes. "You girls..."

Active voice:
>Twilight looked at her friends with tears beginning to form in her eyes. "You girls..."

Passive voice in description:
>The rain was pounding against the roof and the loud crash of thunder would sound off in the distance every so often.

Active voice in description:
>The rain pounded against the roof and the sound of thunder crashed off in the distance every so often.

When do you use passive voice? You can sometimes use it when something is interrupted, and it sounds better than active.

Passive voice:
> Twilight was swimming across the lake when suddenly her ears picked up a scream coming from shore.

Active voice:
> Twilight swam across the lake when suddenly her ears picked up a scream coming from shore.

In this case the interruption sounds awkward because active voice implies the action is already done. Using 'was swimming', 'had been swimming', or 'began to swim' when the action is interrupted works.

In short, passive voice sucks most of the time because your verb becomes 'was' instead of 'swam' and 'swam' is a much more interesting and specific verb than 'was'.

Which brings us to the next point:
Generalized description/writing:
The devil's in the details. Or hell. Or telemarketing agencies—I can never remember.

Let's compare these two passages:
>Twilight flipped through a book on magic as she levitated a few items in circles around her, listening to Spike.

>Twilight flipped through Advanced Teleportation and Displacement as she lazily floated a quill, a book, and a scroll around her in circles, listening to Spike complain.

Let's compare how this can pertain to body language, which is the main thing in your story that suffered from this. Compare these two sets of two examples:

> Luna gave Celestia a questioning glance.
> Twilight looked at the ground in sadness. "But.. I..."

> Luna raised an eyebrow at Celestia, giving her a sidelong glance.
> Twilight looked at the ground, biting her lip and feeling her eyes sting as tears welled up in them. "But... I..."

The main thing though, is to make sure the details you give are pertinent to the story, and for the love of Celestia, don't info dump details. Spread them throughout the narration in a way that they blend seamlessly into the narration.

Lavender Unicorn Syndrome LUS:
>The lavender unicorn looked between the glaring cyan pegasus and fashionista, before glancing at the farm pony beside her. "Help?"

To which the farm pony replies, "Not if ya keep callin' me farm pony!"

Lavender unicorn syndrome shows up in published literature. "The house elf" shows up in harry potter, "The dwarf" shows up in lord of the rings, and "the king" shows up in game of thrones. There's nothing wrong with the occasional drop of a term like this, but when it's too frequent (which your story suffers from) or when it's used to avoid repetition that is the result of a bad sentence, it's bad. Your writing suffers of the former quite a bit and the latter a little bit.

Present past tense (not a real thing):
> Twilight chose this moment to speak up.

> Twilight chose that moment to speak up.

These are both technically correct, but the first one looks more awkward/out of place than the first. Use of 'this' 'now' 'here' in past tense typically suits a certain narrative voice. And I recommended changing them in your fic, because your writing didn't really seem to have that voice.

The best way I can think of describing it would be 'jovial' or 'humourous'.

A case where it would be good to use this kind of narration:
Applejack looked between Rarity and Rainbow Dash, her mouth hanging open in such a way you'd think she might've lost control of the muscles in her jaw. "You two... are seeing each other like that?"

Dash scratched the back of her head, looking at Applejack with what could only be described as clueless indifference. "Uh... yeah?"

Twilight chose this moment to speak up. "How does the sex work?" Twilight saw the blank look all three of them were giving her. "Between two mares, I mean," she added.

I don't normally write like this.

Your narrative voice is what I'd describe as invisible description, which is similar to how I write. Use of 'this,' 'now,' and 'here' are better suited to someone with a narrative voice like Terry Pratchett.

Still, it's style, so it's ultimately up to you after I've explained my reasoning.

Aside from those things, you had some formatting errors where you failed to use a full line spacing and a tab indent for a new paragraph.

I'd say keep the prologue where it is. Your synopsis needs rewriting to change it to more accurately capture the story as well as draw reader attention. I'd suggest trying to get across these main points:

-She's given the position as Grand Magus, counselor and adviser to the princesses themselves, and moves to Canterlot
-She's slowly driven to darker magic by Celestia restricting her learning

Everything else should be in the comments. Hopefully this review has been helpful.
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Apologies, if I can interject for a moment...

>>119387
>Active vs Passive voice
The examples listed there were past progressive, not passive voice. Minor pet peeve of mine, since I see a number of reviewers on these boards confuse the two. Pic related.

Passive voice is where the subject is the recipient of the verb, instead of the performer of the verb.

Active: Twilight kicked the ball over the fence.
Passive: The ball was kicked over the fence by Twilight.

99% of the time you want to stay in active voice as it's a stronger delivery. The only time you'd really want to use passive when you're trying to emphasize the performer of the action by moving it to the end of the sentence like that (Maybe we were expecting RD to kick the ball, so this twist with Twilight at the end of the sentence can be a way to add extra drama to the writing... if used properly).

Now, notwithstanding the name mix-up, the rest of SLP's pointers here were spot-on. Avoid using past progressive unless you need it, especially if you're abusing it in the current draft. The cases where you would legitimately want past progressive are interrupted actions, like SLP's swimming example. Additionally, since we're generally always writing in past tense, past progressive can be used to indicate that something happened in the past, even relative to the narrator's story.

>Today, Twilight played hoofball. Yesterday, she was reading.

Anyway, sorry for the hijack, SLP and Garnot! Carry on.
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>>119390
The hills can see.
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>>119387
> Hopefully this review has been helpful.
Amazingly so. I took your entire comment here and pasted it to the first page of my plot outline.

Many of the things you mentioned in the document comments I hadn't even noticed. Some of them I face-palmed because I felt like an idiot.


Capital abuse: Noted. It will not happen again. I promise.

Passive voice: This is something that I genuinely had no clue I was doing. After seeing the specific examples in my story I can see it definitely needs work. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Generalized descriptions: I knew I had a problem with this and it's difficult for me to see them when they arise. I think what I have so far of chapter 2 is much better in this respect, but can still probably be improved.

LUS: Dammit. Not much more I can say about that.

Present past tense: I'm going to have to read through again and find all the instances of this, read them out loud to myself, and then think long and hard about how I want it to sound.

Paragraph formatting: The original version was actually solid in this respect. I suspect these formatting issues showed up when I did the copy/paste from the previous file format.

I really like the suggestions for the description. Those may be implemented in the very near future.

Thank you for taking the time to make such a thorough and thoughtful critique of my work, I really appreciate it.

The majority of people that I've asked before say things like, "I'm pretty sure it looks a-okay!" (pic related).
>> No. 119513
Hullo. It's been a while, since I took the liberty of editing it myself so you wouldn't have to read through mistakes I could find myself.

Equestrian Crisis chapter 2

8127 words

It’s been a few years since the wielders of the Elements of Harmony were last together. Their reunion, however, is cut short by the death of Celestia. They must now recover the stolen elements, but it's a race against time. Will they succeed and will the daughter of Celestia make a difference before unknown forces claim not only their lives but their history as well?
>> No. 119590
Heh, damn life's getting on my way in more ways than I can tolerate. Honestly, I really wish I had more time to do work.

>>119513
I'll go ahead and claim this story, seeing as I have done the reviews in the past. Expect it sometime soon, after I complete at least 3 chapters of Seattle's work.
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Well, here I am, several weeks of no work later, but I finally have a review to show. Again, life’s been rather hectic, so you will all have to apologize me for being rather slow.

JC, you will have to apologize me in turn, as this review is rather short and direct.

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
-Dull Plot
JC, your plot, while more or less put together in a coherent manner, leans a bit towards the dull side. This is because while your story certainly does jump right into the thick of things, it doesn’t stop to flesh itself out in a way that makes the reader be invested in the interactions presented. It also feels as if you’re forcing the reader to run alongside the tale’s plot. This isn’t a good thing, as it leads to not only disengaging and tiring your readers out, but also leads to a dull plot that the reader is given no encouragement to get invested in.

This can be remedied by being a bit more detailed. I’ll explain this further in my next point, which is…

-Severe Lack of Detail and Description
As stated above, your story just flies by events to such a point that the reader is given no time to grow invested in the events portrayed nor the characters in them. This is particularly bad, since you’ve chosen the Mane Six as your main characters, and this in turn makes them appear to be far shallow. The lack of detail also shows in events, as well as locations. Not once did I get a feel for Trottingham, Ponyville (especially Ponyville), and Fillydelphia. Characters are even worse, as they show little personality outside of what we already know about them, which is more or less implied rather than presented. While it’s true that this chapter does require having read the first chapter, you should always strive to give your characters personalities all through the story.

To really correct the issues, you need to go back and expand on many details. If you end up going over a planned word count, then do so and roll it over to the next chapter; anything to expand the locations, characters, and emotions your story is meant to convey.

-OOC Characters
I might have mentioned this in the chapter one review, but your characters still act a bit too much out of what we’ve think when “mane six” is mentioned. In this chapter, Rarity and Pinkie suffer from this. Pinkie, for showing so little emotion in her actions (see her tab for further details) and Rarity for more or less forgetting she’s Rarity (again, see her tab for further details).

-Formatting
Some of your formatting choices made no sense. I’m not sure if this is because of Google Docs or something else, but the result is that you sometimes have indents going further than they need to. This is easily corrected, but you should still watch for it.

-Stilted Dialogue
This one is big; your dialogue is very stilted, which also has to do with your lack of descriptions. You characters often speak, yet show very little physical emotion and reaction. The result is a wooded feeling that permeates the entire interaction. It almost feels as if you rushed through the dialogue, not really caring much about the more subtle interactions between characters.

To correct this, you need to give your characters more description and detail. Show how Twilight’s brow furrows or how her lips curl to form a smile. Have characters sweat when nervous or shift their eyes when hiding something. Have nostrils scrunch and ears flicker, stand erect, and fall flat; anything to show us a character’s emotion instead of leaving it blank, or worse, telling us about it.

-Odd Anatomy
You sometimes use terms that wouldn’t quite fit with equine anatomy, such as ‘grabbing in his hoof’ or ‘collapsing on her knees.’ You need to ensure this instances are omitted, or if absolutely necessary, given a proper explanation.

-Detailed Review-
-Characters—
-Rarity: Rarity is off character, and I mean really off character. Your story presents her as a mare who has lost everything and knows no one in Canterlot. Keep in mind, this is Rarity we are talking about; the one pony that is not only able to get any colt to do anything she wishes, but can make friends by just simply flaunting her presence about. Your story makes her appear to be not only helpless, but also unprepared and devoid of a backbone. Again, going by her established character, she wouldn’t stand for what she’s facing, and would struggle to the end, likely getting her jailed for general rowdiness. Rarity needs a lot of work.

-Pinkie Pie: Pinkie Pie has shown to be very out of character. Again, going back to the first chapter when she killed a pony and didn’t seem to bat much of an eye. In this chapter, she’s been ‘marked’ by the Dark Brotherhood to join them, yet she seems to almost go along with the plan. When Lace approaches her, she doesn’t freak out, and when she’s tasked with killing the Rough, she does so, almost without it a second or third thought. If this was any other character, it would show a persona that is ready and willing to harm others, which would itself be a plot-point to the story. However, this is Pinkie Pie; she should have some reservations as to taking a life.

-The Dark Brotherhood: (disclaimer—I am likely to be wrong on something here. It's been a while) You’ve presented the Dark Brotherhood as a organization that ‘hunts those who do injustice,’ yet, when Lace gives a description of who they are, he more or less states they are a group of murderers and cutthroats. This is feels as if you are attempting to keep both the original idea of the Dark Brotherhood intact while also trying to fit them into the story ark. If that’s the case, then you need to outright change why they approach Pinkie Pie. The reason I say this is because Lace states that he’s doing so because Pinkie has taken a life, yet it was not an ‘innocent’ life, which is the requirement for the original Brotherhood. Add the fact that they hunt wicked souls to his introduction, and then play it from there. I would also change the description to ‘enforcers of ultimate justice’ rather than ‘cutthroats and murderers.’

The rest of the characters more or less fall into the same issues I presented above. Twilight feels a tad too insecure, and Dash feels a bit too hesitant in her actions.

-Plot—
The plot, as I stated earlier, more or less follows a pathway that is acceptable for the story you are forging, and should be preserved. Where you fall is in the details; you give us what almost feels like a condensed form, squeezing the tale of all the characters in a frame that leaves much to be desired. Again, the details are what sells the story, and as such, you need to expand on these greatly. The more detailed you can be about a character interaction, the better off you will be, and the more engaging yours story will in turn be. Don’t be afraid to go over words, so long as you know when to roll said sections into other chapters.

-Mechanics—
To be frank, I couldn’t find much on this chapter. I’m dead certain there are things I missed, but again, if it wasn’t glaring enough to be pointed out, then it is likely not that big an issue. I would still strongly encourage you to run this over the automatic spell checker to ensure there aren’t any errors.

-Ending statement-
Overall, a chapter that needs work before it can really shine bright. The pieces are there, and once you polish them, they will really, really shine, but you need to be more detailed, work on the characters, and make sure you expand on your ideas, as it feels as if you are holding back, which in turn causes your story to suffer.

Well, with that, I end my review, and I once again return to a life that's steadily growing more and more out of control for me. Heh, School's going to kill me one of these days.

PS: Seattle, you’re reviews are next in line. Sorry for the delay; life’s not been kind with me.

-Garnot
>> No. 120358
>>120181
"this review is rather short and direct."
Twice as long as last review
o__O

Well what can I almost say except you're right? I will follow your instructions and I will polish this baby.
>> No. 120798
>>120358
While it did come out long in the end, it was actually short, as I had to cut back on some things due to time constraints. I actually must apologize for that. Time hasn't been too kind with me.

Either way, glad you found the review insightful.
>> No. 120829
This one is a bit of a long-time coming for me. Been wanting to review this for a while, but time hasn't been kind. Now however, is the time to start what might just be the toughest assignment yet.

Tough of course, because this story is just so good.

Seattle, I’m sure you’ve gotten various reviews in the past about this particular chapter, and you’ve more than fixed every error to ever be found. I know that by having read this chapter; it’s almost perfect, save for a few small error that I believe might have to do more with my own tastes than what you’ve written. Still, I’ll go over this first chapter as if it was my first time reading it.

At any rate, here is my review for the first chapter.

Keep in mind...

You know, I think I need to add the disclaimer here. It’s clear that whatever I say is liable to be viewed with shifty eyes to begin with, and by this time, you’ll more than likely to be occupied with later chapters, and have fixed this one to the point that it’s as sharp as a Hanzo Blade (cookies if you get the reference). So... you know, just a head’s up is all.


-Points of interest-
Well, since this is a rather short chapter—and the first one no less—there aren’t many things that I need to point out. There are few, but they are rather minor at this stage.

1. Typos—I believe I found two wrong words in this doc, along with a couple of odd word choices here and there. I also should point out that while the grand majority of the language works, there are few instance where you could be a bit more vivid in description (the nightmare scene), and a little less descriptive (some dialogue instances with Dash, which slightly clashes with her later use of language). Also, there is one instance where you name Dash a ‘filly,’ but later refer to her as a ‘young mare.’ That brings me to...

2. Consistency—for the grand majority of the chapter, you maintained a sense of consistency. Things dip a bit in the scene where you show the nightmare to Dash and in the following dialogue with Luna, but even then, these instances aid in building up your alternate take on the situation. The reason I say they are inconsistent is because one second, it seems as if Nightmare is the overlord of malice and is doing whatever she can to ensure she remains so, and the next the reveal that Nightmare and Luna are separate entities. While it does get connected later, it still comes off as a bit off, and I just want to give you the heads up.

Also, the sudden jump to the nightmare scene might seems a tad jarring to some (not me. I rather enjoyed it and wanted to see it expanded). The reason I say this is because up to that point, the story was essentially ‘light,’ at which point it went into grim imagine, almost apocalyptic image, with language that leaves very little to the imagination (such as the phrase “watching in mute horror as it washes over Rarity, burning the flawless coat and delicate flesh off the beautiful unicorn right before her eyes); quite the mood whiplash.

My concern is that some readers might find it a bit off-putting.

3. Luna—Don’t get me wrong, I like the way you played Luna’s role in this story, and her dialogue is both on character—for what we knew of her at the time—and enigmatic enough to keep the reader on his/her toes. However, I felt her showing up might have been better played. Perhaps if you had her scene drawn out a bit more to show the princess first in Dash mind, then as a semi-physical entity, and then as a physical entity, but only just barely, I feel it would work best.

-Detailed Review-
Not much to say in this review to be honest. The story was off to a good start, and there is enough plot to draw readers in without giving away too much, nor skimping on too much. A balance if you will. The flow of the narrative works well save for where it’s been pointed out, and I can’t seem to find much else to fault in a broad view. For that, I’ll get nitty-gritty and go into a bit of detail.

Characters—your characters were believable and coherent. Dash felt like Dash—give or take a few phrases that might have pushed her a bit. She’s still the same daring flyer that most love, yet shows signs of being hesitant and caring. The nightmare scene especially showed Dash’s true colors, and they are quite what everyone has come to expect by that point.

Luna felt a bit off, in the sense that she seemed to not only come out of nowhere, but also seem a bit too aloft. While this is indeed part of the narration, quite a lot of developments have occurred since Luna was first introduced, and the persona portrayed (at least in this chapter) doesn't quite lend itself to what is to come.

Plot—there is nothing I can say about the plot at this point. It is sharp, promising, and quite well put together. If anything, I find myself wishing some areas (like the aforementioned Nightmare Sequence) was a bit longer in nature.

Mechanics—your mechanics are quite sharp. There is room for improvement (as I've pointed out), but other than these bits, you use punctuations well, you word usage works well, your narrative flow is quite amicable, and your dialogue is sharp. All in all, a very promising piece.

In conclusion, Chapter one is a good piece that opens the story quite strongly. It could be longer, and it could be more detailed, but those are small matters that do not detract from the tale you’ve weaved thus far.

Now, I move on to the second chapter.

Chapter Two

-Points of interest-
1. Word choice—
You word choice is, again, a bit odd. It isn’t wrong by any means, but it does leave a bit to be desired. My notes on the matter will enlightened you as to what I mean. All in all though, you have some good diction for the most part.

2. Dash’s comments—In this chapter, I noticed that Dash tended to announce at times when it was either unneeded (as the previous description more or less revealed everything needed about a scene), or took place in a location that would have been best served by actual narrative description. Again, I’ve pointed this instances in the notes, and some are quite easily omitted. Others could use a bit of working, but in the long run, it would help set a standard narration for the story as a whole.

3. Language—Don’t get me wrong, I myself use harsh language to get a point across, especially if it fits in the overall tone of the story. That’s where the issue presents itself here; the narration so far doens’t really need harsh language to get the point across. If anything, I would hold on the harsh language until the story pick up, and the changes to the world become more apparent.

-Detailed Review-
-Characters—
All characters in this story acted in the way we’ve come to expect them to. Aside from Dash, everyone was as expected, spoke as expected, and acted as expected. The only character I felt was downplayed—and perhaps rightfully so—was Twilight. I felt she went down a tad too easily. It fits in the story, but I would see about having her be conscious just a bit longer.

-Plot—What can I say? The plot in this chapter is air-tight as far I can tell. Dash’s emotions are well played (if somewhat overplayed), and the other characters act as expected. Twilight goes down a bit too easily, but that is more than made up by the ensuing fight between Dash and AJ, which is engaging and moves the story forward. It leaves the chapter in enough of a cliffhanger to guarantee that the next installment is awaited, while also avoiding anything too enigmatic. Overall, a great chapter that leaves me wanting more.

-Mechanics—Aside from a few small issues (which have been pointed out in the notes), your mechanics are nearly flawless. There really isn’t much else I can say about this chapter; it’s great. Great length, great interactions, great narration.

Overall, a great chapter. Its got its up and downs, but for the most part, it’s a great read that engages the senses and pumps one up for the next chapter. Feels more refined than the first chapter was, which is great.

Considering that chapter quality can only improve from here on out, I’m going to do reviews every two chapters from this point on.

-Garnot
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Hello there. I've been working on this story for a few months now, and it's been through one round of reviewing on the Training Grounds thread (which was extremely helpful). I doubt I've fixed everything morning_angles over there suggested I fix, but in either case I'm hoping to get a second opinion.

Title: Night Errantry
Author: Bronetheus
Word count: ~7500
Synopsis: In ages past, stories of warriors traveling the land, righting wrongs, defending the weak and needy, and engaging in epic deeds and romances, inspired many, both citizen and soldier. Princess Luna should know, because she was there for almost all of them, recorded many, exaggerated a couple, and outright fabricated a few. They have fallen into obscurity during the centuries of relative peace Equestria has enjoyed, but after the invasion of the Changelings nearly killed her sister, a chance encounter on the road finally convinces Luna that those ancient tales of chivalry need to be brought back. With a mysterious companion joining her on the path, the quest begins, and for the first time in many, many years, Luna is completely unsure of the ending to her story.

My main concern is that the first two chapters don't feel as engaging as they could be. Of course, you may notice more important issues, and I'd really appreciate opinions about that as well. I wish I could have someone go over the third chapter too, since it's where I believe things start to pick up... but that one is nearly 9,000 words long, so I'll spare you.

Chapter 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gYyWTQSmZK2hSDmBdRqFdzGa_At8fKcBwwyodXB8xZg/edit

Chapter 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wLCBGxS45GFIVy26DcK4V37c7axgUQsYyeC0jpFbxX0/edit

Algebraic!
>> No. 120925
>>120829
Garnot, thank you for looking over my first two chapters! The additional document with highlights was especially helpful, and I gave considerable thought to your suggestions, and have made several changes.

>NMM and Luna
>Comes off as a bit off
Aye, it’s quite supposed to. For the bulk of readers, that’s one of the two central mysteries in the story, standing right alongside ‘wtf happened to Celestia’, and ‘is Dash being duped’.

>Feels more refined than the first chapter was, which is great.
Thank you. I hope you’ll find that continues. Naturally, as with most authors, I got the hang of writing more and more as the tale went on.

In regards to the cursing and tone, I wanted to establish pretty quickly that this was not going to be a light-hearted tale. While I do try to establish character congruity (for instance, Dash would say ‘shit’ while Twilight would say ‘crap’) I find it difficult to deliver believable pathos on a character and have them react with something as mild as ‘oh. well ponyfeathers.’

You like samurai swords? I like... base-a-ball.

I thank you for your compliments and insightful critique, and I very much look forward to your thoughts on further chapters!

Cheers,
Seattle
>> No. 120984
Welp. Haven't written for a while, but I need to get back into the groove of things.

Title: HARMONY.DOC
Author: ChillzMaster
Tags: Romance, Dark, Comedy, Random, Crossover
Word Count: 1170
Characters: Spike, Mane 6, Other
Synopsis: Through a very improbable series of events, the .MOV ponies find themselves in canon Ponyville! I have no idea what ensues, probably Tentacles!
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eojsNRCTvfGePcATYHq7Dt3hL196p6BoBIBRkzjoh8/edit
>> No. 121185
Sorry to interrupt you from your reading pleasure.
I’d like to have your undivided attention please and please bring the honourable E.D. Garnot to the podium, thank you.

Soul Survivor chapter 2: The Goblin Army

7495 words

A good 16 years before the return of Nightmare Moon, another fantastic event occurred in Canterlot. All it took was one human who discovered the secrets of ponies, a zealous guard that would do everything for his country and a Princess who only wanted the wellbeing of her people.
>> No. 121342
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Greetings my friends, co-reviewers, and potential enemies (not that I have any to begin with, as I like to make foes into allies), I am back for another round of reviews. Now, that doesn’t really mean this thread is ‘open’ per say, but it does mean that I’ll be having a bit of free time in the coming days, which means reviews, reviews, and more reviews! Yay!

Today’s review will be HARMONY.DOC, as it is the shortest of the group. Next will be “Night Errantry,” followed by JC’s “Equestrian Crisis,” which has become a series I’ll be working on for some time it would seem. SLP is currently out Adventuring, so whatever needs you have, I’ll take care off.

Now then, on to HARMONY.DOC
>>120984

Right off the bat, this story perked my interest, for it deals with characters from the .MOV series. As some of you may know, the series is known for being rather twisted in its humor. Creator Max Gilardi made the series based off “Ren and Stimpy,” a show that I both loved and feared growing up. Its brilliance lies in its twisted aesthetics and situations, as well as its satirical take on the fandom as a whole. To say the shorts aren’t brilliant is an understatement, though I understand they are quite a reviled by some in the fandom. To them, I say “grow a pair,” and learn to enjoy satire for what it is.

Unfortunately, the story isn’t brilliant, or remotely well executed. It is a failed attempt at delivering what made the series so entertaining in the first place. It fails at setting its character, setting its environment, and even at setting its narration. It fails in its humor, it fails in its plot, and it fails in maintaining a semblance of order that would make this story come off as anything other than a trollfic…

Without further ado, let us dive into this… story.


As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
*Randomness that Doesn’t Quite Work—This story did something I like to call “randomness for the sake of randomness.” This idea CAN work, provided the plot exist to back it up and there is purpose to it. However, you manage to deliver on none of that. Instead, you have random scenes that build-up to nothing save weak gags and visual puns that do not function with the lack of detail you provide. Your characters are lacking (I’ll go over that in the appropriate section), and the very idea falls flat soon as you bring the .MOV characters into the story. The very reason they appear is randomness played wrongly. The real problem is that you lack the detail needed to make the story seem not only fleshed out, but coherent as well. That brings me to…

*Lack of Detail and a Rushed Feeling—As I read your story, I couldn’t help but stand in awe at the lack of proper details given. Your first few paragraphs showed promise, but said promise was quickly bound, gagged, and ravaged as the pure onslaught of randomness and nonsensical character development took hold of your tale. It got to such a point that I couldn’t read further out of fear of developing some type of headache. What made it worse was the fact that the details presented felt so rushed and underdeveloped that you might as well have been putting up the facts in a power-point presentation. Again, it feels almost as if you tried to cram what could have easily been a twenty-five page one-shot into a tight a space as possible. This just doesn’t work. You need to flesh out details, give up a reason to keep reading. What you did was show random scenes of random mayhem in the hopes of eliciting some type of response, be it amusement or disgust. Again, things happen for seemingly no reason, and the chaos that ensues feels all the more incoherent because of it.

Here’s an example. Take everyone’s favorite Chaos Lord Discord. No one will dispute that he’s the bringer of chaos and disharmony—his actions speak quite loudly to that. However, even at his most chaotic, there is purpose, there is structure, there is detail that gives us a small window into his machinations. Your story has none of that, instead hoping that the acts seen are enough to carry the narration (which, by the gob, an entirely different beast of an error all its own).

In short, you fail at deliver chaos. My suggestions is that you reassert the situation and plan out more fleshing for characters, so that the chaotic nature, while rightfully nonsensical, at least has meaning and purpose.

*Formatting—your formatting, in short, is atrocious. You essentially have one gigantic wall of text with no lines in between to really show where pauses occur, nor give the story a sense of coherent flow. Every story has a flow—a pace that more or less lets you know how the tone works, and what the mood is. However, your story merely lumps everything together, creating no personality, no flow outside of a constant rushed one (which, had you played chaos correctly, would have been a bonus, but instead feels like a clustered mess).

You need to go back, add jumps between sections to ensure you create specific mood, and add the details needed to back it up. That will allow you to really sell this story.

*Inconsistency in Narration—my Gob, this right here is the largest single grievance I have with this tale. Your use of language? Quite good, though again, more details. Grammar? Quite excellent if I might say so, though you could use from more varied punctuations and complex sentences. But this, this right here is what essentially made me stop reading altogether. At no point do you make it clear that your narrator is a character, and at no point do you give reason for such a character to even exist. Third person narration is about presenting the facts with as little intrusion as possible. The characters are the ones who give the details and emotions of a particular scene. Unless you have a narrator with personality, what you have in this story is VERY out of place.

The only way to fix this is to rewrite sections so they show little in the way of emotion, and transfer said emotions to the characters, who once again, need to be fleshed out and given more of a purpose outside of random actions.

-Detailed Review-
*Characters—As stated above, your character have no rhyme nor purpose. Here’s why. You bring them into the story seemingly for no purpose, then have then act with no real goals other than to speak and exists. Granted, the characters aren’t exactly known for being coherent in the first place. However, you make the mane six—the ‘normal’ ponies—come off just as shallow and incoherent as the .MOV counterparts. You make no effort to expand on personality, nor do you make an effort to give the reader details as to why the ‘normal’ mane six act along with their .MOV counterparts (I’m looking at you Dash and Pinkie).

Now, this may have been intentional. If so, then it just shows how badly put together the whole idea is to begin with. A good story would have given the characters purpose. It would have made it so the ‘normal’ ponies struggle to understand their bizarre counterparts, advancing the plot by possibly showing the normal six falling deeper and deeper into madness, rather than just outright jumping into nonsensical madness that would even have Discord raising an eyebrow.

My only suggestions is to rewrite the interactions so they play more as they should: sanity meeting insanity, at which point all the bets can be off, but always keeping in mind that without details and purpose, there is no story.

*Plot—this story has no plot that I can discern; just a random mish-mash of situations that do not flow along any type of narrative. It also feels as if this was written as a trollfic…

*Mechanics—somewhat solid grammar, which only makes it the sadder that this story turned out how it did. Sentence structure is off in places, and you can use more varied punctuation here and there, but other than that, a solid job—if wasted on what I swear must be a trollfic…

This story almost feels like a trollfic; it follows a format that bears little to no sense, moves at a pace that make it seem as if there is no real purpose other than just getting through it, and the interactions are… there is no words for them. I’m not sure if this was meant to show madness at its rawest, but if not, then this needs loads of work before it’s even ready to be presented, and even then, I have doubts that it would be at all readable. It certainly is unique in some aspects, but as I’ve pointed above; random chaos does not make a good story. Maybe I’m missing something here, but as far as I can tell, this story is one that should not be read until its biggest issues are addressed in some way.

>>120850
You are next on my list.
>> No. 121343
>>121342
Fantastic review, friend! I wasn't 100% sure why it bombed, as my friends enjoyed it thoroughly, and it's good to have an outside well-done critical view. Thank you again for drudging through that filth.
>> No. 121370
>>121343
To be fair, the greatest issues in your story are a lack of detail and the seemingly absent plotline. The humor did little for me, as I felt it was far too random to be effective, again, because characters lack that extra detail needed to make them appear alive.

There is a story in there somewhere, but you need work to bring it out.
>> No. 121549
Garnot brought this up in my doc, but I just wanted to check to make sure it was okay to resubmit "A Heavy Crown"
>> No. 121707
>>120850
Will be done soon. Sorry for the delay

>>121549
Accepted. Will look it over soon as I am able to.

>>121185
Sorry I'm taking so long JC; life's not been kind with time.
>> No. 121713
>>121707
That's okay, Garnot :3 I'm very patient and even more understanding
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>>121707
It's more than cool man. I got your comments on the first chapter and they've been very useful. I was just waiting until the whole review was done to respond to them. Your work so far has not gone unnoticed!
>> No. 121739
>>121707
Okay, thanks
Here's the link again just to be safe
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L-YDdQXu-NGrZZWzXeQU3GT5MeYb3GMjghxTAcDIGmY/edit
>> No. 121746
Equestrian Aerial Magic Assault Unit 00

Tactical!Rainboom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dTWwIBGSJMLrgamuckezO-j8m7i8DFkSsrNPM9NSunk/edit

Wings, Magic, and Friendship combine to rule the hostile skies.

About 4000 words.

It's received a thorough technical and flow pick-over, so cumbersome structures and punctuation errors will hopefully be rare. I'd like this on EQD, and I've heard the following concerns about it, some of which I *completely disagree with* but what the hay do I know. Spoilered so that you can, if you wish, read this without your reading being affected by this information.

An anonymous prereader thought it was poorly paced.

Seattle thought that the shipping and the fact that the story can't decide how serious it is neuters the ability to convey tension and danger. To this I argue that it's supposed to have an actiony feel like The Incredibles.

Azu thought that the long stretch of high energy was "exhausting" and needed to be separated into ups and downs. I... don't even know what to say about this... the story is basically a climb in energy, then tension and comic relief thrown at the audience however I feel like, then a climax and a resolution. I don't really see how there are several peaks to this.
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First off, I must apologize to you Bronetheus. See, this review was meant to be delivered yesterday night. However, I suffered an accident that left half of my left foot not only bloodied and swollen, but also nail-less.

Secondly, I’m going to try something a bit different for this review. My normal method of review works well for single-chapter stories, but not so much for multiple chapters that might call for multiple posts. It is for that reason that I’m starting this new form of review, one that will hopefully cut back on unneeded formatting and flowery details, and just get to the heart of the issues in any story presented.

So, without further ado, let’s get this review started.

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.


Chapter 1

Concerns
1. Commas used and abused—you use commas in ways that cut the flow of narration in ways that disrupt how the piece moves. It also cuts on a lot of place that need to cuts.
2. Awkward phrasing—some of the phrases and ideas presented come off as awkward due to the nature of their presentation. Some should be evaluated, while others should be outright omitted.
3. SDT: Show, Don’t Tell—so far, you’ve shown far more than you’ve told. You given us an encounter with a creature whose sole description is that it was a blue blob called a ‘gel’ (which was not capitalized, so I’m unsure if that’s the name, a class, or just slang). You’ve also given us almost no description of the princesses’ look (assuming she’s the same from canon) and the guards with her. Are they her usual bat-winged Night Guards or golden-garbed Sol Guards? Furthermore, there is almost to description afforded to the farmer ponies, whose expressions and feelings could have esily been used to set the mood for the fight against the blob-like creature.

Grammar
1. Not much that I can spot so far. Again, commas seem to be used far too much and in locations that should not be used. Periods and are more or less used well, and while commas do serve their purpose, I would suggest you use more varied punctuation, such as em-dashes and semicolons. No real misspelled words that I can find. Sentence structure is also fair for the most part, but that’s not really my forte.
a. If you wish for grammar assistance, seek out Samurai, who is sort of a mentor of mine. If he has the time, and you show the promise, he will teach you the ways of the wordsmith.

Plot and Characters
1. Characters: So far, Luna seems to be more or less in character. She still seems a bit distant, which after Nightmare Night (and assuming you are following cannon) should be a bit warmer than what is presented. Her use of the royal voice is a bit suspect as well, seeing how in Nightmare Night, she more or less learned to keep her tone down. This could be brought up as a sort of retcon, but otherwise, it is something that should not really be made a big focus on.
a. The guards, for the most part, seem to be rather spot on. They do come off as a bit underdeveloped, particularly the ‘leader’ (who is not even given a name), and also appear to take quite a lot from Luna, who, granted, is princess and all, so they do show the appropriate level of hesitation when speaking to her. Still, is it too much to ask for them to show a little more backbone? Really, they are guards; their conviction should be more.
2. Plot: Chapter one’s plot more or less moved at a pace that was agreeable. The story is sound, and the interactions engaging enough to really make readers want to continue.
a. The only real issue I see is with the lack of details. You need to add more, so the scenes really show what is occurring, and the characters really are alive.

Chapter 2

Concerns
1. Descriptions—once again, the chapter requires livelier descriptions to really sell the scenery and the events portrayed in them. I draw special attention to the fight between Luna and the plantimals. We get only the bare
2. Show, don’t tell—once more, you seem to lavish in speedy delivery. You don’t take the needed opportunities to deliver the necessary details to expand on the world, instead relaying on the narration to expand on your images. This doesn't work, as it leaves quite a lot to be desired from the world as a whole. You need to ensure you are showing the reader all of the details instead of telling them to them. Use dialogue and internal monologues when possible to deliver the ‘goods.’

Gramar
1. This chapter more or less suffers from the same issues as the previous one: punctuations are used rather oddly. You need to look into that in order to make the story more engaging. Also, you need to watch your speaking verb usage, as a lot of your sentences do not carry one or display one far too late for it to be effective. As a result, your sentences feel incomplete and fractured. This issue is also present in the first chapter, but not in such a level as it is in the second part.

Plot and Characters
1. Characters: Chapter two made a heavier focus on Luna, and introduced us to a Zecora few have seen. She begins as the zebra most have come to know and love. However, she takes a level-up in awesomeness when she’s shown not only be a capable fighter, but also posses an ability that makes her quite the effective companion to any quest. The mask idea is quite brilliant, though it did give me a “Majora’s mask” vibe. The monsters, though underdeveloped and under described, served their purposes well.
a. Now, the one gripe I did get from reading this piece was Zecora, and how she seemed to almost not be rhyming in certain locations. As I stated in the notes, Zecora has a very specific way of rhyming, one that almost seems to be in an AB,AB form. I’m no real expert when it comes to rhymes, but I would still make an effort to ensure that the rhyming scheme not only functions as intended, but also is different from the rest of the dialogue, being given its own textual form in the process.
2. Plot: The second chapter considerably moves the tale from point A to Point B, while at the same time displaying quite a lot of ideas, and quite a lot of conflict for the main characters to partake in, even if said conflict is mostly fighting.
a. The real problem this story suffers from so far is a seemingly lack of detail that robs the reader of quite a lot of information that would make the story far more engaging. “Show don’t tell” is the name of the game, and it is something you should strive towards at all cost. Other than this, your plot seems to be very sound thus far, and as such, should prove quite adequate in delivering the next chapters of the story.

All in all, quite a great story whose two chapters set the mood for what's to come. Pacing is good, and the characters are very close. Work on the issues pointed out, and you'll have a near perfect piece.

>>121185
JC, your story is next in line.

>>121739
Followed by you Full Metal Pony

>>121746
And of course, you are next as well, unless of course, my partner wishes to take it. Still, your story sounds like something up my alley, and I may be able to help you as I too plan to write something in a similar vein very soon. We'll see.

This is Garnot signing out for now.
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>>121808
You severely injured your foot and still took the time to review? Truly, you are a bro worthy of the Jake avatarfriend. I wish you a speedy recovery from your nasty wound.

While I've got you at my mercy, Misery-like, I might as well address the issues you raised.

I fear you are totally right about my comma abuse. My first reviewer said I used too few, so of course, in my first round of edits I went overboard and ended up using far too many. I will go back and correct that, for sure.

I will also add more description of the characters. In particular the guards, since, like you said, it would have been very nice to know that they are the golden-armored kind much earlier on. While descriptions of Luna's appearance and the appearances of the earth ponies would improve the mood, the bit about which kind of guards they are is indeed something of a plot hole.

I know what you mean about Zecora's rhyming. She and Luna are the main characters in what could end up being a rather lengthy fic (up to 38,000 words now), and so both of them talk a lot. The challenge of maintaining Zecora's meter is a huge, fun driving force behind my continued efforts, but I quickly realized that having every single sentence rhyme with itself was beyond my abilities. So I started having the sentences rhyme with each other in many places. Obviously it doesn't work perfectly. Should I use punctuation besides periods to indicate which phrases are rhyming with which? I know it would be a gross abuse of semicolons to use them, but they're what spring to mind.

I hope the unoriginality of Zecora's masks isn't too heavy a mark against it, because I too thought the idea was awesome. It was indeed directly inspired by Majora's Mask, possibly my favorite Zelda game. When Link uses the song of healing on a dying person, he gains their identity as a mask, and when he puts the mask on, he screams like he's in pain. There is so much potential for creepiness and pathos there that, as soon as I saw how little was done with the masks in Zecora's hut, I knew what I had to do.

Your positive critiques are extremely encouraging. I'm currently working on chapter eight, but I wanted to try to beef up the first two to see if I could snag more readers. And also to see what my flaws are so I could try to avoid them as I write in the present. I have your comments saved to my computer for both purposes.

Thank you so much for your time, and again, get well soon!
>> No. 121850
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So after a couple horrible reviews i decided to rewrite my story (And i'm talking actual rewrite with a new course of events and everything) Any way if your not busy

Title: A Scribe's Work: Chapter one: The Ghost of Canterlot

Name: Cody or Ghostwriter.

Tags: Adventure

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-jgOQj28kZ3zR3mNEgCFBlyA8JPnZ0TgVPKS-LZGTto/edit

Synopsis: (Still working on that) I've never really liked Canterlot all that much. Ponies tend to think of me as an oddity, as entertainment. There are few things keeping me here, mostly my job. But now I have the opportunity to be able to keep my job and get out of Canterlot and all i have to do is go to Ponyville. Doesn't sound all that bad... I hope.

Word Count: 2135
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*out of character*

Greetings Owlor, I'm Garnot. I'm posting this message to let you know that unfortunately, SLP and I will have to reject your story on accounts of it violating rules 3 and 6 of the thread.

Rule No. 3: We do not take uncommon formats such as poetry, scripts, or screenplay.

Rule No. 6: If you expect us to review anything over 10k words, you better hope we like it, because we won't review it if we don't.


Your story, according to the synopsis, is contained with an "idea" file (which I must say, is quite detailed, and draws my attention). This of course, falls against rule No. 3, as stories posted to this thread should be stand-alone chapters that us, the reviewers, can open and look into with as few hardships as possible.

Considering the level of detail you have put into the story, I'm more than certain than SLP or myself would have easily overlooked the odd 'formatting.' However, it still counts as a 'uncommon format.' For that reason, we ask that next time you submit, you ensure that the stories are stand-alone.

That brings me to the second rule you broke, and the reason your story is being rejected at this time: rule No. 6. Putting your two chapters together, you far surpass the 10K limit allotted in this thread.

All that said, you are to be commended for creating such a extensive world. I myself live for these kinds of stories, and was it not for the rules, I would gladly jump to your aid. But alas, rules are rules.

My recommendation is that you provide the stand-alone chapter links, and ensure they are view-enabled and can be commented upon with little issue. I will also suggest you give wide separation between chapters, so that you don't violate rule No. 6. Post the first chapter, then post your second chapter, and so on a so forth.

Finally, I would suggest you keep your idea file and your chapter files separate. If you must have links to everything in one place, then construct an index. Also, I would strongly suggest you change your idea file to a world guide, which will alloy you to showcase all of your plans, while also expanding on the lore of the story.

Correct these issues, and your story will be more than welcome for review.

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>>121828
Heh, don't worry too much Bronehteus, I've had worst injuries in the past. It's going to take more than a destroyed foot to stop me from reviewing.

As far as the review goes, I appreciate you appreciating my review (heh). I was kind of worried at first, since my notes were a bit lacking, but I'm glad you got some use out of my notes and review.

As for the mask idea, it's not really a mark down at all, as I found you used it very well (for what was shown), though again, more detail would be needed to really show the image. This is mostly a non-issue, since you got more chapters ahead, and I'm sure the mask idea is further expanded. However, make sure said detail works with the story, and even moves it forward, otherwise it will drag a bit.

As for the source, I too played Majora's Mask growing up, and I too found it to be in the top five Zelda games, beating out Ocarina of Time even. The notion of the song of healing actually brings an idea to me: you should consider giving each mask Zecora uses a backstory, possibly revealing that just like in Majora's Mask, the souls of other beings are contained within the masks, which then allow the user to transform. Play it vaguely, but also direct, adding a possible background to Zecora's seemingly simple mask-polymorphing mechanic (I use the term 'polymorphing' because its a magical transformation meant to last a period of time, and is not quite as permanent (or painful) as shapeshifting).

of course, if you've already done this, then ignore my idea.

Hope things go well with your story, which sounds to be quite ahead as it is. If you even need further assistance, SLP and I are here to aid you.

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>>121850
Ah, Ghostwriter, we meet again. It has bee quite some time since either myself or SLP looked at your work. You might want to work a bit on the synopsis, but rest assured, your story will be looked at in time.

PS. JC, get ready: you're up next!
>> No. 121896
>>121862
Thanks, Garnot. But the chapters aren't REALLY inside that one GDocs I sent you. Inside the link I sent you are 2 other links (a little below the comment you posted, like an index, but named "Easy Access"), taking you to the other chapters in separate GDocs.

And as for the weird formatting: The poetry into wasn't a part of what I wanted reviewed, but I think I'm the one to blame for not phrasing my request better.
I will submit chapter 1 alone now and, after you (or SLP) are done with it, I shall give you two a week or two break before sending chapter 2.
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>>121862
I have indeed done a bit of that suggestion about the masks already. Nothing too overt yet, but each of them has a name and background to be hinted at or explained as needed. Thanks for the idea though, it's nice to see someone had similarly awesome thoughts.

I also wanted to talk a bit about Luna, if you get the chance. I wasn't trying to retcon any of the development she's gone through. The way I see it, she has learned to loosen up and tone it down... when around friends, and when not under stress. Ponyville sort of became honorary friends for her, but around others she still wants to be regal, if hopefully a more understanding kind of regal. On the other hand, her casual displays of power (like cracking the earth with a single stamp of her hoof), combined with her old-fashioned speech and views, led me to the possibility that she may have been a classic mythical hero, a knight-errant, one might say. But this is, admittedly, kind of a leap, and it seems like you're not the only one who fell in the gap, so to speak. Others have also commented that she seems directionless or out of character. Do you think this is a serious problem? If so, what could I do about it?

Keep it real, Jake/Garnot!
>> No. 122076
Just making a quick post to say that I've been busy the past few days, and I'll be able to start reviewing more regularly again Monday the 15th.
>> No. 122312
Well, what started out as a product of boredom and inebriation, resulted in me doing...well...this. Someone suggested a submit to EqD, which I thought 'why the hell not', even though I know its not up to par. Of course, I got the rejection, but I was hoping for a little more critique than what I had. I'm doing this for fun, not for others (though that's a bonus). Anyway, assault me with cake if I didn't do something right with this submission...

Title: Homeworld: Equestria
Author: Hiigaran
Tags: Adventure, Sci-fi, Human(oid), Crossover
Word Count: ~18500. Yes, I know, you don't like >10K. Chapters 1 and 2 are under. I'll take what I can get.
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Synopsis: After the malfunction of an ancient transportation device, the Captain of a spacefaring warship finds himself alone on a planet full of unusual and impossible creatures. His curiosity eventually leads to the discovery of age-old mysteries, and perhaps age-old enemies...

...But what do they have to do with a few special objects on this planet?

Set in the universes of MLP and the Homeworld series, follow Captain Soban as he tries to reunite with his people and solve the once-thought-solved puzzle of the Progenitors, while keeping himself sane in a world that spits in the face of physics.
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Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LPK2j-wxn7PHrmfal62NhmtqBgH_LLdTfNOnbHDc3Kg/edit

A few final notes: I'm hoping to get opinions from people who haven't played the Homeworld series, because I don't know if I have or haven't explained several references well enough, especially as a few are key to the storyline. Being an avid fan of the game, I have every tiny detail burned in to my skull, so it's difficult for me to see things from an outside perspective.

So, with all that said, destroy my fic! Leave no contraction unpurged! Leave no apostrophe unburned! Leave no self-esteem intact!
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-Introduction-
Hey JC, Garnot here. Looks like you’ve grown fond of my rather lacking reviews. I’m glad you like them, because they’ll just keep on coming so long as you keep on writing. Not much to say other than this injury of mine is getting on my nerves, and these clow nurses, while adorable, just ain’t healing fast enough. No wonder SLP ran off to who knows where screaming ‘MY WAY!’

Ah well, on with the review!

As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
*Details—Coming back to this story, I’m struck by the improvements done so far. However, one aspect reamins quite unchanged, and that’s the seeming lack of detail. It can be said that being direct is the way to go, but even so, it’s quite a good idea to give readers more insights into a character’s expressions, ideas, and revelations. The character of Lars still feels mostly like a blank slate, his innermost machinations left unexplored. His actions do speak loud, but not enough to really allow us, the readers, to dive into his heart, his mind. This is because you lack details about his persona. This is but one of the many areas where details are left unused. Instances of dialogue go without much description, and emotions do not get explored. Details sell a story, so you need to add them.

However, keep in mind that when adding extra details to your story, you need to strike a balance between details, story, and progression. Do your details add anything to the story and/or characters? Would glorifying the enviroments lead to sluggish pace? Would extra words cause the flow to become one that is dragged? Balance is the key.

*SDT—When you do give out details, you tend to tell your reader more about them than showing them, allowing them to grow and expand naturally. This becomes an issue when scenes become engaging, as the telling aspect takes away from the overall impact of the narration and the flow. This, coupled with lack of details, leads to the tale becoming flavorless, and the flow stilted and somewhat artifical-feeling. Showing the details via actual character interactions, dialogue, or even just implications will allow you to not only move the story forward at a faster pace, but also do more in less space.

A good example of this is the fight with the globlins. Rather than spending time telling us about the fight, show it to us. Write it out in a way that is both engaging and character driven. Do more to describe the emotion going through Lar’s face as he fights the little beasts, interjecting his thoughts into the very action. The idea is to engage the reader as much as possible, all the while moving the story forward, and revealing more about the characters.

*Rushed Narration—This is a rather large issue, as it seems to affect the entire piece. This also harkens back to the lack of details found in the story. The endings particularly suffer from this rushed narration, closing before they need to, and leaving the readers without the necessary details to get the full picture.

Here is an example: The robed pony got up on her feet, while the others ambled closer. There was a gleam of madness in their eyes. Lars pushed Granny Pie behind him and drew his sword.

“Don’t do something we’re all going to regret,” he said firmly, holding the claymore tightly in his fists.

“You have to be the saviour! It can only be you that he told us would come!” they said and giggled maniacally.

“No sudden moves,” he whispered to Granny Pie. “Just back away slowly. Sudden moves might agitate them.”

He drew them closer to the entrance. Once outside in the cavern beyond, he swung his sword wildly overhead. The claymore sparkled as its edge cut into the rock and soil. The whole trembled, barely giving him time to tread back before the roof gave in and sealed the chamber off.

“I have no intention of killing them,” he said resolutely and sheathed his sword again.

“I’ll have the guards dig them out,” Granny Pie suggested.


Notice how, when taken on its own, the section bears little substance to keep the reader on.

The best way to correct this issue is to give the endings more detailed ends, as well as smoother transitions from scene to scene. Don’t be afraid to add details to a section so long as it moves the story forward.

*Formatting—Formatting seems off at places, with extra spaces in the indents and sometimes odd choices of syntax.

I suggest you go back and review the work so the formatting is more consistant. As for syntax, that’s more or less down to writing prowess. It wouldn’t hurt to check a dictionary for alternate words every once in a while, to make sure the langauge is more varied.

-Detailed Review-
*Characters—Character wise, your story feels lacking, but also more developed than in previous chapters.

Lars, for the most part, remains a blank slate. Expanding what I said above in the details section, Lars needs to have more of a personality, as well as a voice. So far, all he’s done is follow what he’s been told without really questioning it. Granted, the situation he finds himself in doesn’t really leave much room for questions, but still, he should have more of a personality other than “I’m human, and I don’t know where I am and I must follow what these colorful equines tell me.” Have himg grow some backbone and question some of the ‘requests’ pretty vocally. Have him work with the ponies more out of necessity than the current excuse of him being a ‘soldier.’ I would also suggest you expand on his confusion with society. So far, everyone around him seem to either not mind that he’s a bipedal hairless ape, or notice it, but write it off fairly quickly. I’m also finding the fact that he and the ponies speak the same language a bit suspect. If this is a plot device that leads to a reaveal, (which so far seems to be the case) then I would suggest you play it subtly, but clear. Have him note this and question it. Lealand himself could also use more description, physically and emotionally. He makes mention of a wife and daugther, yet so far, there has been no hint at what they might look like, nor how old his daughter is. His emotions towards them is also rather suspect, almost as if he notes they exist, but is in no particular hurry to find them. If anything, Lealand would be ruly and desperate. This desperation could be used to drive him to conform to the pony society before him, never settling, and always keeping a eye out for anything he can use and manipulate to further his own agenda. This would make his acceptace of pony society and allies the more powerful. Remember, he’s a human, and humans naturally fear the unknown. Present this feeling of being outside the norm, and you’ll sell the character.

The guards remain blank slates as well. This fits their personalities, but that still doesn’t change the fact that many of them could use expanding. There are ways to include subtle personality traits, such as dialogue, facial expressions, and more time in the forefront.

The character of Granny Pie seems to a bit contradictory. She acts like a much younger mare than she’s described as. Her name implies advanced age, unless it’s a nickname, in which case, that needs to be described in the story. She also speaks without much of an accent, which make her just as much of a blank slate as ther east of the characters. The other thing is that granny is more or less devoid of personality. The times she does appear, she’s bland and unmemorable. This this to be corrected, more so if she’s only going to be used once.

*Plot—The Plot is, unfortunately, rather dull. It moves at a pace that is acceptable, but it often strays from its path to show half-detailed aspects that somewhat haggar the story. The entire Gobling training subplot seemed tacked-on to the narration. It could have been made to work so much better, possibly leading up to the finding of the relic under Canterlot. As you have it, you have Lealand bust the Gobling training fairly easily, then return to the surface, be informed that some kind of metal ruin has been found, forcing him to go back into the tunnels. I feel as if you used this aspect to introduce a character that does not need to be present, (Granny Pie) and only muddle the story with fluff. Again, you could have easily have had Leland find the metallic ruin while prodding the underground. The fial aspect is how chill he seems to meet what essentially amounts to a physical godess. For her part, Celestia also appears to be rather chill about Lealand. She’s not given much of a characterization nor anything that hints at her motives.

Overall, the plot is moving ahead slowly and with too many aspects that do nothing for the story and character. This needs to me remedied if the story is to be engaging to readers. Streamline the plot, add details, and expand on the characters, all while keeping a balance between details, plot progression, and character exploration.

*Mechanics—Mechanics aside, your grammar seems to be fine. Punctuations seems fine, and syntax, while in need of variation, is by no means wrong. More can be done with thi story mechanically, but so far everything seems fine.

All in all, a chapter that stumbled in place, but stil has it where it coutns: a story whose premise shows promise, a character who has great potential and has so far not irked me as other human characters have, and pacing that is just about close to being where it needs to be.

Work on what I’ve said, and you’ll have yourself a great chapter.


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Full Metal Pony, you are now next, followed by Tactical. SLP might take Scribe and Hiigaran.

Oh, speaking of that Hiigaran:
Kharak Is Burning...
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>>122430

I really don’t know why Google Docs insist on altering my indentations, but I can assure you that they are otherwise completely uniform. Aside from that, I will do my best to implement your suggestions. I am but a poor writer undeserving of your attention.

That being said, I had one or two issues I feel must be raised. What exactly struck you as inconsistent about Granny Pie’s old-ish behaviour? Or is this again just a point where I plain need to be more descriptive to cement her age?

Secondly, the way I describe (or not describe) Celestia is to keep her with her established canon personality. She is relaxed, calm and collected. Furthermore, she is a mare that has had a thousand or more years to learn how to hide her deepest secrets behind a mask of tranquillity. Above all, she is mysterious, her intentions unclear and the depth of her knowledge unknown.

In relation to this, Lars would treat her more like royalty than a god not fully comprehending her role beyond monarch. I really thought I described him as nervous in her presence with the fidgeting and the not knowing what to do with himself.

And one last point... could I use you as my go-to guide for all of my pony fics? I would love it if you maybe would like to take up a shipping story I’m working on if uhm that’s okay with you... I mean, if romance is even your thing of course!
>> No. 122463
>>122440
To answer your Question JC, the reason I found Granny to be inconsistent was how she spoke and acted differently. She seemed to be viewed as an older mare, yet her speech pattern doesn't really point to this fact, and the way she acts further puts her in a younger age group. Lack of details do play a part in this aspect, but the two issues stated above are the prime culprits.

The reason I said that Celestia was left as too much of a blank slate was because there was o indication that she was suppressing emotion nor hiding anything. While it is true that this is more or less 'common knowledge,' She's dealing with a human, so her reaction should fit this aspect as well. She can still be calm and cool, but there should be hints that this is because she is acting the part of princess, therefore, keeping emotions hidden. Details will sell this, but they must be subtle and must strike the balance between narration, character, and overall pacing.

As far as Lars goes, his physical description were a start, but he needs more of an inner voice to go along with them. Getting to know what Lars is thinking would help cement his physical reaction.

Finally, about your offer. Romance, while I am somewhat competent at it, is not an area of expertise of mine. SLP is the one you should seek out in that regard. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing what you have in store.
>> No. 122557
A question for Garnot.

How do you pronounce "Garnot"? Rhymes with "Barn oat"? With "Barn nut"? With "Barn not"? With "Bear nut"? I've been thinking that it rhymes with "Barn oh", with a silent T.

Sorry; this is a bit off topic, but I haven't anywhere else to ask and I didn't think this warranted an email.
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>>122557
Heh, you aren't the first to wonder that Filler. Glad you asked, as this gives me a chance to rectify this small mystery.

Garnot is pronounced as follows: "Gar," pronounced 'Giir' which means 'spear, and "Not," pronounced 'Naat,' which is a term believed to signify a friendly and likable nature, while also showing excellence in artistic, dramatic, and musical expressions.

Alternatively, my name originates from the forbidden tomes of the ancients, most of which are buried deep within the bowels of the old earth, where light is but a stranger, and the old gods lie in deathless sleep.
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Equestrian Crisis chapter 3

9.290

It’s been a few years since the wielders of the Elements of Harmony were last together. Their reunion, however, is cut short by the death of Celestia. They must now recover the stolen elements, but it's a race against time. Will they succeed and will the daughter of Celestia make a difference before unknown forces claim not only their lives but their history as well?
>> No. 122919
>>121850

In the meantime, I'm probably going to drop this over in the training grounds.
>> No. 122927
>>122919
sorry folks, It's been one of those weeks. First, general issues that just pop out of nowhere, then new employment that further cuts back on time, and finally me entering the write off because I felt like it.

Oh, and finishing Heart of Gold, all seven chapters of it. Yup, I've been busy indeed.

I'll get to reviews within the next few days. For now, I have some employment to attend to.

As always, Tactical is first in line, followed by you Scribe.

Really, we apologize for not being on top of things.
>> No. 122935
I'm what?

Oh shit, I have a fic in here.

Wow. Thanks! Looking forward to your reply. This one still has one last strike left for EQD, and I've wholeheartedly DISAGREED with absolutely everything negative I've heard about it, so... I'm definitely looking to hear more.
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Getting back in the saddle has been a bit difficult to say the least. Many things have transpired since the last review, and some things are about to happen that will change the fundamentals of the future. A great chance is coming, and those who are not ready for it will be left behind.

Heh, I have no idea what I write. Must be the hour, or maybe I’m just going benenes. Whatever the case, here is the next review, and this one is a dozy, because I feel the story is great, but not quite how it should be delivered. Honestly, this is the first time I've had to deal with something like this.

Without further ado, let’s do this.


As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one else’s’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
*Lack of Details and worldbuilding—Fist off, the story begins at a slow and sluggish pace that does nothing to attract the reader, followed by the actual narration being dry in places. This is a no-no when starting a story, especially one that demands that the reader be engaged for its events to unfold. This is the greatest issues with this tale, it’s lack of finite details and world that leave it feeling blank, void, and missing that extra something to make it a shining tale. There is a tale in here, that much is certain, but it is delivered in a way that feels like it’s missing too much.

The best example I can think of stems from the very intro. The reason there is fighting is never really given, and the scale of the conflict is left vague as well. Goats appear to be the antagonist, yet not once are they given proper personification. The only thing the reader knows for sure is that Twilight and Dash are about to take on a frigate-class airship from an unknown nation over the city of appleloosa, for reasons that are not spoken of. What follows is a description of the battle over said airship, yet the lack of details does not help matters in the least. Too many questions, and not enough answers. The airship isn't given a proper description, nor are the soldiers Twilight and Dash fight. There is no lead up to this, nor any proper resolution other than an almost too brief explanation as to what took place that day, one that does not build up on the emotions created by the scene just prior to it. The story feels too underdeveloped, and just begs for more details and possible expansion on the events shown.


*Vague and Dull Story—This is the greatest issue of the tale. The story is far too vague, which in turn makes it dull. This issue stems from lack of details and rushed narration. There is very little for the reader to grow familiar with; we don’t get to know how Dash and Twilight ended up in that predicament; we don’t get to see the story from the viewpoint of other characters, thus expanding the conflict, and overall, the idea of Twilight and Dash taking on a frigate—while engaging and even awesome on its own right, was not done justice. The story can be summarized as ‘Dash and Twilight fight a giant airship.’ That’s it; no further details are given as to why, or how it all came to this. This story really needs to expand for its own good. pacing is also a bit of an issue, as it feels far too fast at the wrong times. the intro should be slow enough for details to shine, yet past enough to keep the reader hooked.

-Detailed Review-
*Characters—Dash and Twilight are more or less in character, though Twilight might be a bit more daring than she normally is. Considering the situation, this might be passable, but you still need to provide the reader with a valid reason. Dash is just as daring as always, but her actions seem to be somewhat shallow. She could use a bit more description as well, especially towards the end.

The rest of the mane cast is so underused I can’t really suggest anything without it being a full rewrite of the section, the goats are so deprived of personality that their ‘actions’ against Equestria loose all of their value. They are simple there to stand against Twilight and Dash, that is it. They have no aspiration nor goals. We never learn why they are doing what they are doing, nor who is leading them. Are they being manipulated by some higher authority, or are they just in it for the desire to expand. The story needs to explain this.


*Plot—The Plot is as bare-bones as I can think of. Surprisingly, this might be the best feature, as it is direct. Unfortunately, the story does not take this into account, as it focuses on the battle at hand, and forgoes all detail plots that might shed light into the reasons behind the conflict. It isn't until the end that there is some clarification as to why has happened, but again, it comes far too late into the story, and it does nothing but remind the reader that there is a lot they have missed. The story could be taken as a ‘snapshot’ of a particular event, but unless there is some context, it feels rather empty.

For good examples of how to do a en media res plot, look no further than star wars. The story kicks off right out with the battle, but even before that, there is some context, letting us know right away that there is indeed a lot we have to catch up on. The story then winds down to tell us about finer plot details before once again tossing us back into the fray.

Your story did not follow this trend, instead going directly for the action, and leaving what little backstory there was till the end. By then, the reader might have already given up. The key is that you need to ease the reader, make them feel welcome in the world. You can still toss curves at them, but always make sure said curves have meaning and substance.

Here are two interpretation of how your story should have played out. these are personal, but they may just fit the bill you seek out.

“Narration Intro”
1. Story begins with small, but detailed narration about the events currently taking place. Equestria is at war or is attempting to fend off invaders (I guess the goats in this case, although it could be far more than that).
2. Begin your story with Twilight and Dash more or less jumping into the action. Add details as to how the battle unfolds, and conclude with the crash.
3. Twilight receives medal, as well as takes the medal on behalf of Dash. Ease us into the story by providing us with the finer details. Start to expand the conflict and reveal the world to the reader.
4. Scene with Twilight in the hospital, friends are present. Expand this scene greatly.
5. Continue to expand on the world by having moments of action, followed by moments of chill yet effective exposition. Build your world and expand the story
6. Lead up the conclusion


“In Medias Res Intro”
1. Begin the story with the airship fight. No lead up, no real explanation, just the airship fight.
2. Have the entire scene unfold till the instant the crash takes place.
3. Have character wake up (Twilight in this case) and make it clear that it was a dream, but one that told us of events that took place.
4. Reveal the aftermath of the event, and build up the story from there.
5. Continue the story however you please, keeping in mind that you must have moments of action, followed by careful exposition.


As always, when writing anything, you must ensure you are moving the story forward, revealing characters, or doing both as the same time. If a situation feels like it is stalling, then you are moving in the wrong direction.


*Mechanics—You mechanics are fine, though the story would be ten times more powerful it told from Dash’s first-person point of view. Twilight could possible be done, but you would have to be a bit more detailed in everything, since that’s how Twilight would be. It should also be noted that you use full names far too much. Once or twice is fine, but not every time a name is dropped.

so, in conclusum, your story bears incredible potential, but you must first shine and hone it.

The story is rather flimsy, and it is just too vague for its own good. The pacing feels far too much like a climb, and because of that, when we do get to the final stakes, they are not as high as it would be expected.

You mentioned this being like The Incredibles. Watch the movie again and notice how the story fluctuates between moments of high action, with exposition and character development. It steadily builds up, both in stakes and tension, as well as characters. The third act is when the real action kicks in, by the, the story has build up steadily to the point that the drop feels both exhilarating without it feeling like a total surprise. this is what makes the final stretch so memorable, because the story build up to a satisfactory level, thus making the action both have purpose and move the story along.

Work on the pacing, work on the delivery of the pacing and of the characters, and add as much details as you can while still keeping this a one shot—though I would personally say this is the kind of story that is best made into a series to really sell the world—and make sure you always move the story along, and you might just have yourself a winner. As is, it feels too vague and too rushed to really stand on its own.


Scribe, you are next.
>> No. 123077
As per Global rule No. 2: Your google document must be viewable by those with the link, and have comments enabled. the story "Uprising" is being rejected. The link provided leads to a 404 error.

Repost again if you wish a review.
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Well, I'm back.

So the synopsis says it's not final (and it most definitely isn't). So let's take a look at that first.

>telling of the character's emotions
>minor pity party for the character
>he goes to Ponyville

One of these three things should be in a synopsis, the others should not. I'd also say his job is a point, but it's only mentioned in passing. What you want in your synopsis is for it to tell the reader what happens, and your current one doesn't. One of the best and easiest ways to write a synopsis, is to write a completely spoilered description of your story, then take out the parts you really shouldn't spoil.

Onto the story:

This seems better than the other story about ghost I read a while ago (though it still has issues). The character is sort of defined, but he lacks anything to make him likeable. The writing has some choppy sentences that could use streamlining and combining. And the prose is a bit simplistic, and the dialogue a bit hammy and cliche at times.

Characterization:
Any main character has to be likeable, even if they're an asshole or a jerk, they have to be characterized in those ways in a way that makes the reader care about them (because otherwise they won't care about the story. If you want to look to a jerk who's made likeable, look to Scrooge, Carl (of Up), Archer, Harry Potter's parents in the first book, etc. But then again, you aren't really going for a jerk, I'm just trying to make a point. See, your character doesn't suffer from sue-ism, he suffers from I-don't-like-him-as-a-character-ism. Characterization is massively about first impressions, and your first impression has him groaning and complaining (which is annoying). I'd strongly consider looking at his actions/dialogue in regards to the way other ponies look at him. Show that it bugs him, but also show him trying to ignore it, rolling his eyes, or looking at the suave and sophisticated with contempt.

Choppy Sentences:
Let's just grab an example:
>Ghost and Flare jumped back just as the case exploded. Ghost held the book to his chest as the force of the explosion knocked him farther than anticipated. Flare landed on his feet, his body low to the ground and his teeth barred. Ghost was not so lucky. He hit the ground on his side, grunting as he slide slightly.
"But action sequences are supposed to be choppy!"

Ahaha! No. Not like this they aren't.
Now let's look at it bit by bit:
>Ghost and Flare jumped back just as the case exploded.
This actually implies they got away safely.
>Ghost and Flare tried to jump back as the case exploded.
'tried' shows that they didn't actually get to safety, and I cut the just because it was pleonastic (the word can be cut and the sentence loses no meaning)
> Ghost held the book to his chest as the force of the explosion knocked him farther than anticipated.
"the force of the explosion" could easily be "the explosion" and "knocked him farther than anticipated?" anticipated by what? by the reader? By him? he's being tossed by an explosion, he isn't anticipating anything. So we aren't really left with a much of a sentence, more of an idea:
>Ghost held the book to his chest.
This will probably be streamlined with other bits later.
>Flare landed on his feet, his body low to the ground and his teeth barred.
This part's not bad aside from...
>barred
You're looking for bared.
>Ghost was not so lucky. He hit the ground on his side, grunting as he slide slightly
Again, that should be 'slid' and this feels out of order in the sequence, possibly fixed by have 'He had hit the ground. . .' but not really. This needs to be moved.
And after all that, you get something like:
>Ghost and Flare tried to jump back as the case exploded, knocking them back. Flare flipped in mid air, landing on his feet low to the ground, teeth bared. Ghost wasn't so lucky. He clutched his book to his chest as he hit the ground and slid across the tile floor, coming to a stop with a grunt.

Which is a bit better. Avoid saying things that don't add anything to the description. You'll hear people say 'add details! you should always be detailed!' but that's only half true. It's one thing to add details, and another thing to add relevant details.

Did you notice a change I didn't mention above? I replaced 'held' with 'clutched'. I can't really tell you 'Hey, use better diction!' since it's something that comes with time, but hey, use better diction. Avoid simplistic and common words such as 'quickly' or anything generic that is used very broadly. If the words you use to describe things have very broad meanings, it means you're describing the thing you're describing very broadly.

Lastly, show; don't tell. You still had a few issues with this. Try to figure out body language for various emotions. Avoid actually typing emotion words such as bored, excited, nervous, etc. Using any of these words directly is a huge sign that you may be telling.

Any further relevant comments are in the doc.
>> No. 123163
>>123079
Thanks for the review. Even if there are still problems to be ironed out, I can be satisfied that it is still somewhat of an improvement.
>> No. 123167
>>123077

Sorry, I am not used to using Google Drive yet. I just resubmitted it. Sorry. With the resubmission I only posted the link to the prologue, I have no idea if you can get to the rest of the story from that or not...sorry agian
>> No. 123174
Good evening, I just submitted via the form, and wanted to let you know that I am monitoring this thread if you have anything to ask me.
My story is the 5k words oneshot called Wonderbolt.
Just wanted to let you know that I first wrote it in french, then translated it in english, and that I am looking for both grammatical errors and help to better it. I plan to post it on fimfiction as soon as you corrected it.
Thank you for your help, have a pleasant evening!
>> No. 123175
>>123174
Hello,

I don't think they'll help you to correct the grammar errors. Would you like to send me your English version, and I'll find the errors and correct them?

(If you do, please send me the French version as well, I'll see if the translation is correct too.)
>> No. 123179
>>123175
Sure! Do you want me to post it here (if you can even post NSFW links)?
>> No. 123180
>>123179
Since when links can be NSFW? oO

Well, send it to (Email removed by request)
>> No. 123182
>>123174
Please look over the rules in the Thread Post and make a post containing your story title, author name, synopsis, and word count. That is also the place where you would place comments, not in the submission's synopsis box.
>> No. 123205
4) You will put your title, author name, word count, and synopsis in your post.
Title: Wonderbolt
Word count : 4964
Soarin is at the top. He's the best athlete in all of Equestria. But an accident will drastically change his life...forever.
>> No. 123206
>>123205
Oh, I forgot to say it's not safe for work at all.
tags are: sad, grimdark, death, M/F, MMM/M; drugs, prostitution, non-consensual.
>> No. 123210
>>123206
In that case, take another look at the site rules. Ponychan has a site-wide rule about that sort of content, so I'm going to have to reject this.
>> No. 123213
>>123075
This story was never meant to have character or meaning. I don't have the slightest idea why the goats were fighting a war against Equestria. The story is about a unicorn hanging from a pegasus, shooting lasers at goats in their little goat helicopters.

In short, you didn't want what I was selling. The fic you are asking for is not the one I wrote.

That's fine, but it leaves me unsatisfied. You're sort of discouraging me from writing oneshots, because I really and truly cannot understand how a oneshot could be anything more than what this is. What would be gained if you learned that the war with the goats was because a botched crackdown by Celestia on a Goatish extremist faction?
>> No. 123229
>>123213
Tactical, therein lies the issue. You have the story set up so those who read it will ask "what has happened here?"

War is often a complex issue, and as such, it automatically begs for answers. If this was a pony vs. griffon war, there wouldn't be as many questions, since such a conflict has already been envisioned in detail many times. A pony vs. goat conflict is more unique, so the readers will want concrete details.

Again, that's what it comes down to, details. Your story lacks the details needed for it to be a satisfactory one-shot. In fact, going into it, it struck me more as the type of story that would benefit from having at least four chapters to flesh out the story so it feels satisfactory. As it stands, it feels too vague.

While vagueness can indeed be a great tool you can take advantage of, this particular story demands the opposite; details. You can still leave the 'why' the two nations fight out of the equation, just make sure you make reference to it. One good way to do this is to have Twilight or Dash think/talk about why they fight the battle, and realize that there is no concrete answer. If you did that, you would be giving us the needed details while still leaving the reasons vague.

>The story is about a unicorn hanging from a pegasus, shooting lasers at goats in their little goat helicopters.
See, therein lies the issue; the premise you provide does not make for an engaging one-shot. A scene, yes, but not a one-shot. Stories require more substance to them, and while simplicity is king in story land, the concept you have made your focus is FAR to simple to carry a whole narrative by itself.

Instead, I urge you to divert the focus to where the real story lies; the war, the conflict, the characters, and the aftermath. That's where the character development is, that's where the action and tragedy is, that's where the real substance of the story is.

>In short, you didn't want what I was selling. The fic you are asking for is not the one I wrote.
While you would be correct in that I expected so much more from the story (which, I'll say is due to the synopsis), I was disappointed in the end. This by no means signifies the story was bad, just that it lacked true focus.

Reading the synopsis made me think of a tale that mixed Ace Combat-level aerial fights with the nature of unicorn magic. It made me think of incredible machines built both for speed and power facing off against an enemy whose number and resolve had no equal. Of two characters facing the hardships of air combat, all the while doing whatever possible to defend their nation from an enemy that, for all intends and purposes, could have already won.
It made me think of rip-roaring dogfights that mixed a desperate two-mare last stand against a massive enemy force, nothing but determination and the friendship that bound them together keeping them going despite the bleak situation.

What I got did approach my expectations, but never really reached nor surpassed them.

Now, don't get me wrong, it wasn't a bad story; it just felt underwhelming and starved for details. That's where it failed in my book, and that's where you need to divert your attention to.

One shots are about a detailed tale, that while short, packs all of its emotion and detail in a coherent and efficient fashion. It gives the reader everything without being overwhelming, and concludes on a note that can range from satisfactory, to bitter, to bittersweet. Your tale can be made to work in this manner, but you would

Multi-chapter tales set out to give the reader tale whose details cannot be contained in a single chapter. Its expansive, and its events often grander than the characters can handle. Details can be spread out, allowing for surprises and twists, and its conflicts can be resolved over larger stretches.

Tactical, you have a great base you can work on and shape into an incredible story. Where you go from here is up to you. One shot or Multi-chapter, either one can be done.

Now go out there and make it work Tactical. You have the potential. Harness it.
>> No. 123246
Apologies for the intrusion Garnot.

>>123213
>In short, you didn't want what I was selling.
Tac, you need to start listening to people or stop asking. I've seen several people try to give you constructive crit and advice about your story, and every time you've blown it off. You're not going to get better if you keep this up mate.
>> No. 123256
>>123246

That's true, but the alternative is realizing that I don't even understand this fic myself. The blowing things off is because I'm trying to hold onto the concept of what this was supposed to be in my head.

So far I've had:
A couple of people saying the structure of "one single high-energy scene, no time for any downtime" was no good,

You saying that it couldn't have it both ways with shipping and action,

Azu saying he didn't want to read it because the intro made him think it was shipping,

and Garnot saying it didn't do justice to the war idea.

These are things that I blew off while I was writing it. I see feedback like this and my response is to rub my temples and wonder what kind of compromises I can make between what it is and what the reviewer says would be better.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to seem like I'm writing off my reviewers' good work. I just don't know how to use it. I'm not hearing "slash this boring exposition bit" or "change the structure here," it's "this would be better if you changed your vision for it." I want to know what defect makes the current form unsatisfying, so when I read "make the war meaningful" my response is "but how can I make you not *feel* that way, rather than turn the whole thing into something it wasn't?"

Anyway, hope that clears things up.
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>The story is about a unicorn hanging from a pegasus, shooting lasers at goats in their little goat helicopters.
All I have is llamas.
>> No. 123263
>>123256
>"but how can I make you not *feel* that way, rather than turn the whole thing into something it wasn't?"

That's exactly it. It's a matter of execution and technique, not some failing of your readers to comprehend what the words on the document mean. Neh?
>> No. 123265
>>123263

Huh okay.

So it's a defect of my *own* that makes me feel like I'm somehow being asked to compromise what I wanted it to be. The feedback is just an end goal and the improvements are for me to find.

Thanks for that.
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>>123265
Man, you really need to get better with constructive criticism.

Stop taking it personally. It's not.
>> No. 123269
>>123256
>>123265
My apologies for intruding, but perhaps I have a perspective that can make things a little easier.

Tactical, if I am understanding what you have said, you are trying to write a story about "a unicorn hanging from a pegasus, shooting lasers at goats in their little goat helicopters." Right now, I see a story about two ponies going through a near-hopeless war situation and while harbouring unaddressed feelings for each other, and the feedback from reviewers seems to reflect this.

Let's look at why this is:
The characters act as though they have serious feelings for each other.
The narrative voice is detached and professional.
The circumstances are dark, hopeless, and grave.
Their dialogue is professional and focused on completing the mission.
The descriptions are to the point, realistic descriptions of exactly what happens.
The consequences are grave and serious.

This is what the reviewers are working with. They see a generally well-written serious fic with a few aspects that would break serious immersion, so they are offering suggestions to fix this.

However, if I am understanding your complaints correctly, you are wondering why the readers are taking your fic seriously.

If I am correct in this assessment that you want the fic to be a silly story about two ponies shooting goats with lasers, then I offer you this suggestion. Rewrite it, but make it silly.
>> No. 123270
>>123267

Not being defensive. Only worried about digging the hole deeper after I feel like I'm being accused of behaving badly. You've misread my tone, I think.

Sorry for monopolizing this thread, and thanks to everyone for your input.

>>123269
I knew I was playing with a delicate balance. I did embrace the serious aspects, especially the "feelings for each other" part, though not the "desperate battle against impossible odds" part. Maybe I'm foolish by not seeing that the balance didn't work out. I thought I could get away with straight-faced action, DBZ-style. The example of The Incredibles was because people shoot guns at the main characters but it never feels dark.

The only part of your assessment that's throwing me off is this one:
>The circumstances are dark, hopeless, and grave.

Are they? This makes me want to go back and have Rainbow Dash gleefully pwn a dozen Goats as if they were no more than basic enemies in Star Fox 64.

>Their dialogue is professional and focused on completing the mission.
>The consequences are grave and serious.

This is what I mean when I say I thought I could get away with straight-faced, especially the second one. Also, their dialogue definitely isn't stony the whole way through.

After some soul-searching, though, I see the point. This is straight-faced action, which means it could have an actual action-adventure flavor to it if I wanted to, instead of the action-just-for-fun that I was thinking. Even in not-dark examples like The Incredibles, consequences have weight. I have a little bit of that, but the package is too bare-bones to make such a thing shine. I understand what you mean now when you say that you found it bare and unsatisfying, but that that didn't make it a bad fic.

I'm sorry that I didn't come to these conclusions with just plain being told.

A 1700-rated friend of mine has given up on telling me how to play LoL for this very reason.
>> No. 123271
>>123270
We learn as we grow. As we grow, we'll stumble and we'll fail. But in the end, it is these failures, these falls, that bring us closer to greatness.
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>>123079
Hey Slp.

In your review you said my synopsis was lacking so I came up with another one and was wondering if I could run it by you.

Here's the new one: The Rune Guide, a book containing great power to those who can utilize it. It is both Ghostwriter's greatest discovery and biggest responsibility. But now it is in the wrong hooves. While Ghostwriter is working on retrieving it, Celestia sends him to Ponyville and by pure luck, the Rune Guide is headed straight for him. Now he must get the Rune Guide back and also deal with the not so quaint village.
>> No. 123484
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Author: DSNesmith
Synopsis: Three hundred years after the fall of Princess Luna, Equestria finds itself on the brink of disaster. Political squabbles and personal grudges threaten to tear the country apart in a bloody civil war, and on the southern border of the kingdom a greater threat lurks: the griffons seek to reclaim their ancient homeland.

As Princess Celestia strives to keep her fragile nation from falling apart, she

sends a young pony on a quest to the northern lands that border Equestria in order to gain their allegiance against the griffons. This unlikely messenger is Rye Strudel, the ostracized half-breed son of a guard and a baker. Rye must struggle to overcome his heritage and save Equestria... for if he cannot, there may be no home to come back to.

Word count: hovering around 135k total, but chapters are ~3k. If you could do a chapter at a time, I'd be grateful.

Thanks in advance!
>> No. 123516
>>123484
<_<

Dude, your story is amazing. You have done such a fantastic job building up the world, painting a fantastic picture of Ye Olde Equestria. The political tension between the different duchys feels very real, and Celerity is a good tragic hero, whilst Emmett is a bag o' douche. Rye feels like a very real pony, I feel for him and was really rooting for him in the opening. Your battle scenes are good, but I feel like you skip over bits. Like, the battle for Trellow felt like it should have been longer. But I get the feeling that you don't WANT to focus on the bloodshed, more on how it affects our heroes.

I could go on gushing, but you get the point. Your story is great and you should feel great.

Okay, SLP, Garnot, I'm done, do your thing. :P
>> No. 123536
Silverlining, you submission, while better than it was before, is still not in the format we accept. Your doc needs to be in the form of an actual document, not a PDF-type file. This is because we need to comment on it. Unless we can comment, your story cannot be given a review.

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Now then, on to the updates.

Owlor, you are up next in the queue. I will begin your story early tomorrow.

JC, you are after Owlor. Sorry to keep you waiting so long friend.

Finally, DSNesmith, you are next. We already conversed a bit about this, and I'll be taking a look. I might ask that you provide me with more links when the time comes, unless you are fine with me making my own based on the Fimfiction post.

Finally, the post some have been waiting for. The rewrite for Heart of Gold, Feathers of Steel is currently undergoing final reviews and edits. It will hopefully be posted on my other account (Originally Nick's) by next week at the latest. I will then begin work on the rewrite for Summer Days, Evening Flames.

Oh, and I failed at the write off. Heh, I'm proud of that.

That is all the news for tonight folks. Have a pleasant evening.
>> No. 124425
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When The Moon Comes Over The Library Part 1/2

Twilight is anxious to teach Luna about friendship and Luna is anxious to learn. But as passions are ignited, mishaps occur.

9.085 words

Not gonna lie, I’m really satisfied with this story. Sadly doesn't mean it's free of errors. I'm familiar with Garnot, but I hear Soundslikeponies has experience with shipping. Either is fine, really.
>> No. 124434
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'Sup, Thread? Long time no see.
I haven't exactly been too good about getting reviews done lately due to how much time learning to be a lion tamer, discovering the lost city of Atlantis, and traveling back in time and helping Nicholas Tesla invent alternating current (omg, Thomas Eddison is, like, such an asshole) has taken me.

Since Garnot seeks to open shop at mlpchan, now's a pretty clean breakoff point; I've found I enjoy private reviewing on request much more than having a thread that's open to everyone and everything. The second reason I'm closing up shop is because I'm two followers away from one thousand and I want to just start writing a lot. Edit: weee, one thousand!
It's been cool guys. Take care.
(Uh, for clarification: I'm not dying or going anywhere or anything, just probably going back to being lurker...ish)
>> No. 124436
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Greetings to you all. It has been a fun trip, hasn't it? So many reviews done, and so much learned in the process.

As some of you may know, SLP is going down a different path, as stated by his post >>124434

This thread was quite fun to maintain and participate in, and I will say I've learned far more by helping you all than I would have by just pounding away at my keyboard aimlessly for hours on end.

But alas, all things must end. With that, I declare this thread officially closed. SLP and I go our own paths from here on out.

But worry not. For my work is not yet done. I'm opening a thread over on MLPchan, and I will finish what I stated there.

Owlor, JC, DNSesmith, your stories will be completed. You are already on my new queue list. Those who are interested if following, you can do so via this link

http://mlpchan.net/fic/res/714.html

A note. JC, I still need acess to your newest story, otherwise I will not be able to review.

Owlor, your story is about to be completed. The review will be the last posted on this thread, and the first on the new thread. I will asks this thread be officially closed once the review is up.

DNSsmith, I will begin on your review soon. your tale, being the longest, will be what I work on while in between projects.

On a final note, I should let everyone know I've applied to a pre-reader. That will in no way change my status as a reviewer, and if anything, will only make my work be the more crucial.

With that, I bid you all farewell for now. You've been a lovely audience.
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New Board, and new faces. New everything, save my original goal. Here I stand, no longer confined to the boundaries of my old identity, but instead ready to forge a new fate for myself. While I do miss what I’ve lost, the gains to be made are potentially greater, not just for me, but for you all as well.

At any rate. Today’s review is one that has been waiting in the wings for some time. It’s about pirates, and freedom, and going down your own path even if the world hates you for it. It is off to a great start, and honestly looks to be one of the next few stories to really become a fan favorite

However, it’s not without its blemishes. And of course, it is my duty to aid in the removal of said blemishes. This will be short review due to the fact that it was quite good.

So, without further ado, let’s get started. One final review for you Ponychan crowd.


As always, what I say in any of my reviews is solely my opinion and no one elses’. I, under no circumstance claim to be wholly correct on any matter in particular. Take my words with a grain of salt and draw up your own conclusions on the review presented. You are the writer, you have the power to shape the story as you see fit; I’m merely here to aid you in that regard—nothing more, nothing less.

-Points of interest-
*Usage of the name “Illusive” and its italics far too often—This concern, while minor on the surface, actually causes the story to be less powerful as a whole. “Why is that?” you may ask. The reason is that by using the name so many times, the ship is given less of a flair of mystique and grandeur, and it instead becomes just a term. By using it less, you give the name a sense of grandeur while also showing us that it’s not just a ship, but almost a character of its own.

I should bring up the fact that all of the instance of the name appear to be italics. While this does add a certain flair to the name, it does nothing for the story as a whole. Combine with the amount of times you are to use the name, and you’ll have a name that both carries weight, is used just enough times to get the idea to the reader, and you won’t overuse it and cause the narration to drag.

*Action is a bit dragging at times—Sky Matron is a story that tells us of an epic struggle between the orders of freedom and the forces of overbearing order. It start off with a battle that nicely sets the mood for what is to come.

Unfortunately, this same greatness is what causes the story to falter in place. Some locations have interactions and descriptions that cause the narrative to drag. I believe I’ve pointed these out in the actual document, but they still linger for longer than they should. Such scenes as the boarding of the Task Force, the sometimes purple-prose like details given to the ship, and of course, some of the battles. It would be best if you found a way to balance descriptions with interactions and narration. One such way is to be subtle. Have implications, that paint the image rather than dedicating entire sections to descriptions. The more you can imply and subtly narrate, the more power you will have as a writer.

*Anatomic details—This one is a minor, yet grating issue your story presents. You provide great descriptions for the fights, the world, and the characters, yet at times, you seem to forget that ponies don’t quite work in the same way humans would. You have mentions of ponies wielding armaments in their hooves, moving about bipedially with great dexterity, and even engaging in interactions that seem a bit far-fetched. One such instance is the general of Celestia’s forces seemingly using her flintlock without much issue. The gun is not given any description to let the reader know that it is designed for pony hooves, and she’s also seen reloading he weapon without issue, a feat that would prove difficult for a creature with hooves. No mention of her magic is made in this instance, which would be the logical thing to do for her character. Scootaloo also gets a mention, as she’s described as bearing a small blade in her hooves while racing towards the fray. This would be very difficult for her to accomplish, to the point that she would be unable to move under normal circumstances was this the case. Other ponies show this as well, including those of the Task Force, as well as a few random privateers.

Make sure that when you give descriptions to battles and interactions, you ensure to keep in mind that the anatomy is as accurate as it can be. Liberties can be taken, so long as it fits into the world you’ve painted.

-Detailed Review-
*Characters—Characters are the heart of any story, and Sky Matron is no exception. Characters, despite being wildly different than their ‘canon’ counterparts, are quite well done. A few felt a bit off however. this is due to the nature of the story as a whole however.

Naturally, Rarity, while different, was quite well done. Her reasons for being a pirate are not yet fully explored, which allows for a build-up of her character. She’s determined, ready to fight, yet manages to retain the class that made her the classy and well-spoken unicorn.

Next is Dash, who still bears the same brash and daring nature, while at the same time showing a commanding side that is quite nice to view. Her actions are all for the good of the ship and its captain. Still, this being the first chapter, her character still has development to undergo. Still, not a bad start at all.

Pinkie pie is a little more difficult to pinpoint. on the one side, she’s still the same carefree pink pony that everyone loves. However, her persona here goes beyond the standard ‘party gal,’ and instead dives into the territory of an engineer/tinkerer. This surprisingly suits Pinkie rather well. Her character quirks fit this well, and a result, we have a Pinkie Pie who is both old and new at the same time. It will be interesting to see just where she goes as a character from here.

Finally, the last main character to speak of is the General. She’s perhaps the one that is the most different, her life revolving around serving her queen. She views Rarity and her crew of pirates as one of the greatest treats to Equestria, and demonstrates the zeal needed to hunt down and eradicate such individuals. The general still shows a great sense of care for her troops however, to the point that she’s willing to strike directly at Rarity and her band. She’s a competent fighter, and a wise leader. Her future development already appears very promising.

The rest of the cast is still a bit too underdeveloped for me to pass fair judgment. However, they are all on the correct path, and despite their small parts in the story, some already come off as strong individuals to keep an eye on. A very good sign indeed.

*Plot— The plot told so far begins with with a rip-roaring instance of piracy on the high skies. It sets the conflict between pirates—who represent freedom—versus the crown—which represents subjugation. It is made clear that things aren’t peaceful in Equestria, and that the world has changed to accommodate this. While the first chapter does not contain much int he way of exposition, what is there is paced well, allowing both action and context to coexist in a way that still moves the tale forward while giving the reader something to enjoy. Aside from a few moments where the tale dragged, this story is heading down a great path.

The few things that need to be changed are stated above, along with the inclusion of more background on certain aspects, such as the Elusive. This might come in future installments, so for now, its a non-issue that will be brought up should you fail to deliver on that end.

*Mechanics—Aside a few small hickups here and there, the mechanics are quite solid. Punctuations are present and used well, sentences flow how they should. No run-ons nor fragments, and syntax was adequate for the story told. Being that I’m no complete expert on this matter, I will suggest you seek the aid of Samurai, and Seidio, soon as he returns.

All in all, an enjoyable start to what will no doubt be a series to keep an eye on. Goes without saying that I enjoyed it, and recommend it to anyone looking for piracy in the high skies.

Next set of reviews, I will do completely in-docs, and I will also request you are present to maximize the effect. Till then, I look forward to the next chapter.


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Well folks it's been fun, but with this final review, I officially close up shop. You all have brought me great stories, and the lessons learned while reviewing every single one has been invaluable. I look forward to seeing you all on the new board, but even if I don't, I just want to say that it has been an honor.

Look for me here: http://mlpchan.net/fic/res/714.html

Till we meet again. This is Garnot, signing off T_T7
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