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#Reviewer
If you ask me to review your story, you are asking that I become emotionally invested in your work. You are not asking me to pass the salt at a dinner table; you're asking me to go through your hard work with a judgmental eye, and hopefully come back to you with helpful things to add.
You will not get a number rating, as I do not decide if you pass or fail. Keep trying and you will succeed.
I am no nicer or meaner than any other internet denizen, I am simply loud.

Rule #1: No repeats. You get one attempt to wow me. I'm not going to read the same chapter through fifty different revisions. Once I see a chapter, that's the version that's locked in my head. It's the version I'll remember you by.
Rule #2: Do your best work. You are trying to make an impression on me. I will remember you by the work that you show me. For a good, long while too.
Rule #3:Read the OP. You want me to read your epic, do me a favor and read my couple hundred words of conditional statements.

I hate songfics, music links, and wangst. I can't review poetry, it's too subjective. For example:
This haiku is shit
Anyone prove me wrong please
Artistic License

I hate when authors shoehorn characters into the story, just to say that they are in the story. If allegedly main characters are there to be scenery, I will most likely be coming at you with more rage than I think you can handle.

Include a title, summary, and a link to your work; as well as your native language if you read this far.
You probably didn't, so that's fine. Inability to follow instruction is expected in some types of people, it'll only affect my opinion of you as a person and how much effort I'll put into assisting you. Tags help, but the summary is really more important. You should have your tags worked out beforehand, that way when you submit to other sites, your summary, tags, and title are already prepared and ready for other humans to see your final product.
Because I'll review those too. Your summary is just as much a part of the reading experience.
More so even. If your summary looks horrible, people will never open your story to start with.
The v2 rules also ask that you include the word count for your fic as well.

Queue is still up at http://derpy.me/MintyQueue

Other reviewers are welcome, anon or otherwise. There is a community at work here, so please keep that in mind when making a fool of yourself.
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>> No. 104142
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>>104062
I really wanted to start this thread off on a positive note. I can't, but the thought almost counts, right?

This story...
This story has the potential to be the worst fanfic I've seen. You're going to want to avoid that designation as hard as you possibly can.

Your back story requires too much knowledge from the reader. Your main character has all the identifiable traits of a Mary Sue and a few more to boot. Your presentation is atrocious. And your pacing is so horrible, I can't even take this at face value as a troll fic.

So let's start with your first paragraph, or what most other stories would call a prologue.
“Twilight, I have something really important to tell you, something that you must never speak off with anyone other than me, or Luna.” said princess Celestia. “What could be so important that I had to leave my office for more than an hour?” asked twilight sparkle. “Twilight ponies found this land before we did, that story how we founded together was wrong and a lie.” Stated Celestia. Twilight gasped in response to this information. “This land was the origin land of the Alicorns and under Canterlot there is an Alicorn who was feared and sealed at the young age of 6, the seal was updated by me and Luna last week, with the power to last for around 220 years. Let’s just hope we live this long.” Said Celestia. “This is a lot of information, so if he was unsealed he would be prince?” “Yes.” “Umm, ok I need to be getting to Maripony. I have something important to do.” Stated twilight as she left the room with haste.

Where do I start? Proper names should be Capitalized. This means Twilight Sparkle, Princess Celestia, Luna, and such. You are inconsistent with that.
New Speaker, New Paragraph, Every Time. http://www.saidsimple.com/content/When-to-Make-a-New-Paragraph
Here you run Twilight and Celestia's sentences together, creating a word porridge that's hard for the reader to take anything meaningful from.
You fail to create any sort of scene for the reader, as magic talking heads appear and discuss things of alleged importance for apparently no reason at all, then suddenly stop.
It's Luna and I. Not to mention your Celestia just feels out of character. Your dialogue is extremely forced and stunted.
Alicorn is a species, and not really caps worthy.

This sort of behavior continues on through the document, so once you start trying to fix the first paragraph, the corrections in every other paragraph will come much more easily to you.

Let's look at your synopsis:
An FoE side story taking place 11 years after what happened with lilpip. This story follow the travels of a male alicorn who has been traped beneath canterlot since before the founding of equestria, be prepare for something not touch before, serects revailed, tales told, and a war to end all wars.
You didn't Capitalize lilpip, who is the main character of FoE. (I think? I've never had time to read it seeing how long I've been around here, doing this.) Canterlot and Equestria also need to be capitalized.
You misspell "trapped", "secrets", and "revealed". It is a horrible synopsis, because it makes me not even want to look at the document. I assume upon seeing it that you have so little care for your story, you rushed to the "telling people about it" part instead of focusing on making an entertaining story to read.
You didn't even capitalize your title.

And now I'm going to skip to your second to last sentence:
Then that light DJ pony talked about well it kinda exploded launching this magic infused crystal in every direction, and release soul hooves the last Alicorn…….
This is a magnificent sentence, as it makes 'soul hooves the last Alicorn' replace the slot I had held for "Worst Character Seen in My Thread" previously held by 'Cornelius Sketch'.
You know that punctuation, Ellipsis, is also called 'Dot-dot-dot'? Because there's three periods in it. There's some argument that you could use an ellipsis plus another punctuation to end a sentence, but at most that would give you four dots. You have seven here. That's way too many.
You didn't capitalize the name Soul Hooves; and alicorn is a species still, so no need for it to be Capitalized.
That being said, there is everything wrong with this character.
You've written a pony who's stronger than everybody, feared, and damn near perfect. He's super strong, and super awesome, and an unstoppable nightmare.
Who just happens to have the same name as the one you're posting under. And a background that reads like he fell out of Dragon Ball Z.
The types of people who want to read this story are not people with good taste.

You might have a great story planned out. It could be amazing after chapter five if I would just stick to it. I don't want to stick through it. This is a roving pile of self insertion wish fulfillment and I do not wish to read it. You demonstrate no grasp or understanding of the characters, there's nothing original or fresh in the way you approach this story, and I'm certain that my time would be better spent elsewhere.

If you want to unleash a super alicorn onto the wasteland, that could be cool. Tell the story from a different point of view. Let the reader fill in the blanks for you. Make the story not about how awesome the alicorn is, but how it affects the people who are just trying to survive. Make him a mystery to be unwrapped by the reader, not an author proxy dropped into their lap.
This worked for one of the worst Mary Sues of all time, Sherlock Holmes.
Because Holmes books aren't 'technically' about Holmes. They're stories being told by Watson, about Holmes. That degree of intervention, where you have a 'normal' character who can't quite understand how the 'super' characters work, makes it easier for the reader to relate to the situation, even as impossible as it seems.

You could have someone stumble onto his crystal chamber, releasing him into the world. You could have him wander into a town, and deal with how normal folks deal with such a creepy weirdo showing up out of nowhere.
But what you have here is not very good. You need to work with other people to get your technical ability up, and you need to have a story that is interesting to keep an editor's attention.
We like to read interesting stories too. It's easier to help along a promising story than it is to try to fix something no one wants to read.
>> No. 104147
Silly me, previous thread: >>89486
>> No. 104149
Title: Chrono
Tags: [Normal] [Sad] [Slice of Life]
Summary: The mind. The single most powerfully awesome, and deadly tool. The mind has created entire kingdoms and brought them life, wealth, and happiness. It has also torn these kingdoms to the ground and brought death, poverty, and despair. The mind is quite an incredible thing, made up of three main components. The conscience, memories, and thought process. All together these work together harmoniously. However, if one is unable to work the others are soon to follow.
A wandering unicorn named Clear thinks he has his life figured out. He thinks he has most everything important figured out, but that's all about to change as he is faced with a new, cold, harsh reality. Her name is Trixie.
Link to prelude: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12rd_R3sSa_r_EEQc0NplqIWTx5ID9wN2B18JDxk54Oo/edit
Link to chapter 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tHGiZ4Zm8hh3C-eBJ_5-P5GuxHhqFuXw9ih83QGbbuk/edit
Totaling almost exactly 17000 words.

Well Minty I'm back. I would very much appreciate a review from you before I attempt to submit this to EQD. But, sorry to go off topic, I would like to personally request another review as well. Ion_Sturm I am also requesting a review from you. Thanks for the review Minty, and hopefully you too Ion, and I hope you enjoy my work.
>> No. 104150
>>104142
He also forgot to put "Prepare" and "touch" into past tense.
>> No. 104152
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>>104150
This list is not exhaustive. There's lots of errors in there.
Eventually there's so many that the whole pile just starts to collapse in on itself like a singularity. Just fixing a few of the obvious problems could actually cause more errors to appear.
>> No. 104155
>>104152
Oh believe me I know. If you honestly managed to read the whole fic you deserve a medal. I barely made it through the synopsis and first paragraph (both requiring several read throughs to correctly discern the content of) without clawing my own eyes out.
>> No. 104156
Oh I'm sorry Minty. Language is English. I'm requesting Ion because of 2 reasons: first off he offered to review my story a while ago, and secondly because of what went on between us back then. After watching him for a while I see he is very knowledgeable and I would love his opinion as well.
>> No. 104157
Alright, so, care to review the first chapter of my new fanfic?
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bs63kME_mWthqOxWZQq7Stp3ed9ZapWa1Gfkpg0Bvlg/edit

Tite: Stuck in the Multiverse.

Summery:Some people might have noticed how Pinkie Pie seems to always break the fourth wall. How she can seemingly bend the universe at will?

Its because of another being. Another her, if you will, a counterpart, a 'seed' of her power.
This is that alternate selves story, her story of multiversal travel, of her, being Stuck in the Multiverse.

Tags:
Tragedy, Random, Crossover, Adventure, Slice of Life, Alternate Universe.
>> No. 104158
>>104157
Almost forgot the wordcount!
*Facedesk*
1201 words, exactly.
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>>104149
I'll think about it.
>>104156
Who are you again?
>> No. 104163
I hope you remember me Ion
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>>104163
I just asked who you were. Evidently, I do not.
>> No. 104165
Well, being the genius I was, before I put the name of my fic into the name category for posting. It was Chronokeeper. I'll go ahead and quote you here: "...try again when you are actually willing to put some effort into your presentation. You may even request a review from me personally, and I will perform that duty to the best of my abilities and with as little bias as humanly (a difficult proposition, considering I am something of a devil) possible." I'll let you know, your harsh insults were a big part of what drove me to try so hard on this.
>> No. 104166
And I apologize for making a complete ass of myself. As well as my long replies now, posting and playing Killing Floor at the same time is hard
>> No. 104191
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>>104149
We have discussed your story in the IRC, and came to this conclusion:
http://youtu.be/07So_lJQyqw

Just how much so is that? Well, the resident badfic lover is absolutely eating up your story.

In short: Your choice of present-tense is reprehensible. Only a truly accomplished writer (or someone who makes second-person shipfics) should tread that ground.

You appear to be going for a cerebral sort of narration, but at best it makes you come off as full of yourself, and at wost accomplishes the exact opposite.

With the plodding finesse of a grounded pegasus that possesses four left hooves, your awkward writing trips and stumbles over itself constantly. Your choice of wording and syntax leave me either groaning, head buried in a nest of hands, or scratching the dandruff off of my scalp, creating a winterscape in which it would be a poor idea to taste the snow.

Your formatting flip-flops more than Pinkie Pie has mood swings. Sometimes you add indents, sometimes you don't, maybe you'll add an extra white space after a scene change, or perhaps not. The story itself is 90% a wall of text, with you completely forgetting to indent or double-space between paragraphs. At the very least, it makes me not feel so guilty for skipping large swathes of it (assuming I could feel guilt, of course).

>I opened my mouth to answer, but then furled my brow and shut it.
>but then furled my brow and shut it.
You have one heck of a brow, good sir. I did not even notice it being opened.

>“Where do you THINK you’re going?”
Random emphasis is random

>“No, we didn’t do anything besides sleep.” I informed her.
You aren't doing proper punctuation for your dialogue-to-exposition transitions. Read this; it explains it better than I could:
http://www.writing-world.com/fiction/dialogue.shtml

And then shipping happened.

>She looked, surprisingly, almost.. happy.
Your ellipsis is missing its third friend.

>Deeming a response to this not necessary for I had already told her I would answer her later
I couldn't help but think of this when I read that sentence:
>its time for me to life up to my family name and face full life consequences
>http://youtu.be/OHxyZaZlaOs
While your story isn't quite that bad, this video ought to serve as a visual way to show where your story currently stands.

I am afraid I can no longer drag myself through this mire of writing. While it is far from the worst story I have ever read, it is even further from a story I could bring myself to read. I will give you props for at least having a grasp on apostrophes, as well as your fairly solid grammar. It is, on the technical end of the scale, readable, as in, I could glean (with some difficulty) what was happening. As a story, though, I could not care much less about the going-ons between Trixie and Clear (BTW, I don't really see what that name has to do with being a journalist).

I am afraid your problems lie on the style side, which is something that no one can truly help you with. While I am sure you can find an audience on fimfiction or fanfiction.net, do not expect this story to ever be posted on Equestria Daily or lauded for its literary genius in its current form (and if people do so, know that they're ignorant or are lying, and that their words should be taken with a near-fatal amount of salt).

If you truly wish to invest the amount of time and energy you'd need to grasp the finer points of style, well, crack open a good book (NOT fanfiction) and hope it rubs off on you. I canot offer much more than that.
>> No. 104201
>>104134
Alright, looked at the Queue, and saw my language as 'fail...'
I swear, I've never seen something funnier! I ended up rolling on the floor!
And, quick question: How many good fanfics do you get, daily?
>> No. 104203
Thanks for the input. I really do appreciate it. It's like an answer guide that insults you, but a guide none the less.
>> No. 104216
>MintyRest
>Friendly Review Thread
> http://youtu.be/UHwegwXwwHs

>Sage
>Messin' with ya'
>> No. 104219
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>>104201
> Alright, looked at the Queue, and saw my language as 'fail...'

> Rule #3:Read the OP.
...
> Include a title, summary, and a link to your work; as well as your native language if you read this far.
> You probably didn't, so that's fine.
So you failed to read the OP. If you notice, New Dawn also has the same wording, as well as anyone who fails to submit requested information.

> How many good fanfics do you get, daily?
I'm not a prereader, I don't expect to see good fanfics.

>>104216
You didn't actually sage?
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>>104219
It appears I didn't on accident.

I regret nothing.

>Actual sage this time
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>>104203
It's what I do.

>>104219
I chuckled at your notes for "new dawn". I'll have to be careful not to fail your submission requirements if I ever make something, lest I become more of a hypocrite than I am already.
>> No. 104227
>>104226
Yep. I read it, and I just forgot to write down the fact that its english because... well, what did you expect? I'm from texas.
>> No. 104229
>>104219

>I'm not a prereader, I don't expect to see good fanfics
>prereader
>expect good
>good
>ever

Oh Minty, you should do stand-up.
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>>104157
Controversial statement: Please prove that your OC isn't Bella Swan.

> He drinks down one of the drinks. It tasted... pretty good, actually. I suppose it’s the fact I’m a GOD DAMN PONY!

It took me a few hours to put my finger on it, but this whole thing reads like a direct transcription of someone's online roleplay.

Your introduction is exceedingly redundant, and it's easily more than enough to turn off potential readers. This is on top of the odd tensing issues. Let me remove the subject parts of your first few sentences and try to make a mad-lib out of it:
They call _(person)_ the _(nickname)_ for something, and not because of the fact that she can _(action)_ easily. Well, for that fact, and the fact that, wherever she goes, the _(object)_ always seemed _(description)_. _(description)_. More _(description)_. Other synonyms and words that sound similar.

Once the 'jokes' are removed, your first paragraph doesn't say much. They call (character) the (nickname) for something (Do you mean some reason? That doesn't make sense at all). This entire prologue needs to be trashed and rewritten. Preferably with the word 'fact' not repeated three times in two sentences.
Your second paragraph too. Weather reports are so 1880's.

> In sugar cube corner, everyone was having puch,
Sugar Cube Corner is a proper noun.
Puch?

> and other things that I don’t feel like getting into detail about.
Then why did you mention it at all?

> Dancing, party, punch, the whole shabang.
Again, more repetition. Comedy...
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclopedia:How_To_Be_Funny_And_Not_Just_Stupid
Some basic techniques of humor writing
Repetition.
This one is stupid, but it works. Say something over and over, and then repeat it, and then say it some more. Two or three times. Example: In his spare time, young Luke Skywalker enjoyed driving his land speeder, whining, shooting womp-rats, cruising for chicks in Mos Eisley, whining, nerf-herding, and whining.
Sometimes, driving a joke into the ground makes it funnier. Other times, it just makes the joke dead, so please be careful, cautious, and vigilant if you decide to use this technique. And also be careful.

> Meanwhile, in a small little corner, sits an odd pony.
Present Tense...
> The pink pony saw the new guy, and ran up to him.
Awkward Tense...
> The black maned pony looked at Pinkie,
Past Tense

Your point of view is unrestrained, jumping from inside one character's head to the next with no transition outside of a color change. It reads like an RP transcription abnormally focused on an OC character, who if I didn't know better is a Homestuck analog for some reason.


I had to take a break and figure out where the main flaws are here. That would be:
A) Your synopsis promises a story about AU Pinkie and her adventures. This is not the story you've given me.
B) Your OC? He's Bella Swan. Everybody wants his attention, but they're all so annoying, even though they are clearly only obsessed with his perfectness like any rational being. Now he's going to go ride motorcycles and cliff jump in a beautiful fashion.

> This is where the real story begins...
How about this instead?
Start the story after this part. Start with what you have now as chapter two, and shuffle chapter one off into your notepad for future reference.
Nothing worth reading happened in this one. Skipping it will make everyone involved happier in the long run.

>>104227
So I have to put it in big flashy lights. I would assume it's english, but I've seen German, Greek, Spanish, Italian, Polish, Chinese, and they all make different sorts of grammatical missteps. This is even ignoring British vs US notation. It's good to know what background to approach things with, before giving up on something because dialog isn't punctuated in a fashion that makes any sort of sense.
>> No. 104268
Title: Beyond the Dreamer's Veil

Tags: [sad] (maybe tragedy, I'm still not 100% clear on what qualifies as a tragedy)

Summary: A terrible epidemic sweeps through Ponyville, causing all it touches to fall into an endless slumber. Twilight enters the land of the dreamers to save her friends and all of Ponyville from an unkind fate while Pinkie recalls the events leading up to now.

Native Language: English

Link: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/28704/1/Beyond-the-Dreamer%27s-Veil/Beyond-the-Dreamer%27s-Veil

Word count: 9,820

I guess I'll this up here since I'm hoping for some constructive criticism and you seem blunt enough. I can't write a description/summary to save my life which bothers me more than I care to admit. Thanks in advance for your time.
>> No. 104317
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I'm not going to be able to help you with this. I read the entire thing and took three notes along the way.
One note does not actually apply to this story either.

I do like the way you handle the introduction here. A great deal actually. I wish more people would handle the first two paragraphs like this.

> “Technomagic Theory and Application.”
I'm not entirely sure that's worthy of double quotes being a label. It doesn't actually say anything? So maybe single quotes? I'd check in the IRC on that, it seems a bit loud for a label, so maybe something softer like bold or italics.

I was doing research to see if this was already on EqD and I found this: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/1668/
So you might have some title issues, but this one is... more of a forced crossover, and in my opinion not as interesting.

How do I put this?
I love this story, so I can't see where to hate it as of yet?
That's pretty much it, you have a great deal of potential which I'm generally very attracted to, and I want to see where you go with it.
I really wish I had more for you, but you set the whole thing up so well, it seems perfectly logical for so many different reasons.
>> No. 104319
Looking back at previous posts, concerning my Mario fic. So my biggest problem aside from grammatical errors is the story lacks pony content in favor for Mario content. This might be harder than I thought. My own knowledge is my worse enemy in this case.

Ya, combat is kind of a big thing in this story. I would like to think I have improved in that regard compared to the first chapter.
>> No. 104321
>>104317

>that link
Are. You. Serious?

Dang it... This is what I get for not checking on that title first.

Well, I'm glad to know it's good, at least to you. However, I am concerned some people might view Twilight as OOC, given how she acted with testing something she doesn't understand. Did you get that feeling from it all? I know before I didn't have her visibly tired from all the late night work she was doing, so that's been added recently.

Also, was it obvious that the opening scene was another reality's Twi and Spike?

Other than that, I don't think I have any questions, except if you'd want any future chapters sent your way.
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You start the story with a quote from the main character.
Who happens to be the name you're posting under. Again.
It makes you seem as if you're quite full of yourself. That's not a good position to start off in.

> “Our physical world is but a projection of our mind.”
Check philosophy much?
Without making any assumptions about the nature of reality, if we simply follow the scientific method we deduce that the processes of the brain (physical matter) are what gives rise to our mental experiences.

We also deduce that what we experience as the physical world around us, including our own bodies, is a mental projection of sensory stimuli.

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism
Oh, wait. Except that Solipsism can be traced back to around 400 BC, where as you're quoting your own point of view character in a modern era. Couldn't find a fun way to ponify René Descartes?
("Cogito ergo sum" if you're wondering. Admittedly only 1500 AD or so, but the most popular interpretation of the opinion.)

So yes, I think you're on a high horse, and I'm only two sentences into your work. This is not promising

This is where blank space might have helped. You quote yourself, then segue right into the story without transition. There's no time for reflection about the force quote, simply the story bursting on to the scene like The Tick hunting for pesky ninja.

You start with what would be colloquially referred to as a weather report. In standard English that would be 'The Sun/Moon was up, there was weather, nothing interesting is going on'. From a reader's point of view, this is a reminder that they could be doing more interesting things like mowing the lawn or doing laundry. Anything that's related to not reading your story.

Then your title character proceeds to sleep through the morning till the afternoon. This is implied when you talk about the morning work crowds giving way to the shoppers in the market district before cutting to the main character finally rolling himself out of bed because he's lazy.

> My usually long and unkempt jet black mane now clung to my neck, causing my light grey-white coat to appear completely white in stark contrast.
Oh good, he's a Mary Sue. I was worried there for a moment, continue on towards your Suefest. Perhaps Snowflake-kun will discover some unique ability that is his and his alone.

> It was a simple leaf,
Wow! I really was worried that he would have an overly complex cutie mark like some kind of—
> with a small green magical glow around it;
…Oh. Well then. Please continue on Snowflake-kun.

> Using some magic,
And unicorn. Thanks Snowflake-kun, you've helped me complete my Mary Sue BINGO card. Of course the only prize is that I will no longer take any part of this story seriously. Not bad for three paragraphs at all. Well, bad for my attentiveness, but still, good job making such a Suey character that people will know to avoid it quickly and easily.

> I removed the towel and found myself staring straight into my own dark sterling silver eyes in the mirror.
The card is already filled out Snowflake-kun, you don't have to keep going! Sheesh, some people.

How do you forget to indent paragraphs? That's really grade school level editing. You need to proof read this kind of thing before asking other people to do it for you. That's just sad that you want me to do all your foot work for you? Pick a punctuation style, and stick with it.
While I'm a fan of blank lines, indentation works pretty well as well. You're running dialog with neither, and it looks horrible. It's hard to read and makes an already ponderous story more frustrating. Your story is already uninteresting enough that I don't feel like fighting it to get the deeper story out.

> He gave me a curious glace
Glance you mean?

> “Well,” I thought to myself, “I can’t just leave her here.”
Well, I know where this is going. Skimming mode activating.

Aww, parental abuse too? Poor little Snowflake-kun.

> I know I can’t fix my mistakes, which are to more than just you.
groan

> He then turned to look at my mother as a single tear rolled down her cheek.
Well, it's a good thing I'm giving up on this then, isn't it.

Because I am. This story is about two characters. Trixie who spends the first chapter drunk, and is characterized in such a way that people who love Trixie will read it anyways to get to her story. And Snowflake-kun, a white coated, black haired unicorn with deep silver eyes that even he gets lost in, and a cutie mark that radiates magic.

Nothing actually happens in the prologue outside of drunken bar hopping and completely worthless backstory.
I'm left with the impression that this story only exists to push Snowflake/Trixie shipping, and as much alcohol as either of the unicorns can shovel into their bodies.

To steal from a friend again, a story should exist for one reason: To tell a story.
This story seems to exist to showcase Snowflake-kun and how he plays off of Trixie. A story about the characters doesn't work. You need the story to be about something. The characters are tools that are used to build a story.

Right now you have a picture of a hammer.
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>>104319
> This might be harder than I thought. My own knowledge is my worse enemy in this case.
Very much. It's why I recommended starting with a side project to work the kinks out.
The underlying concept could work, but then the specifics would still be causing problems. Tell a similar story from a pony's point of view (which is more what the audience of EqD would sort of expect) and you'd probably have something there.
It could take time though.

>>104321
Adding the tiredness and irrationality from lack of sleep helps the story a great deal. Added on to her behavior in 'It's About Time' (unwittingly using a time travel spell to create an ontological paradox, not sleeping for a few days while working on something more important) it's not that far out of the realm of possibility.

No, I didn't quite pick up on 'false' Twilight, that was a very nice touch.
She didn't worry about testing that time travel spell, why should she worry about a timer with a power source and a modified teleportation spell? She knows how it works, so it's not like she's afraid it'll backfire. Instead of Twilight messing up, this is more of a matter of Twilight being delusionally self assured.
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Hey there Minty, just thought I'd pop in and say hi.

Good to see you and Ion are still fighting the forces of dubious fics, albeit not within rogue threads (haven't seen too many of those around lately tbh).

>Controversial statement: Please prove that your OC isn't Bella Swan.

This totally reminded me of the HK droids from Star Wars: KotoR. Also, it was more a request than a statement.

*Stands around awkwardly*... okay, bye...
>> No. 104331
>>104326

Well, hopefully I will have another chapter done it about a week, if you'd want to see it.
>> No. 104332
>>104328
Boast: They have been taught to fear the deleting-power of our fully-armed and modertor-approved battlesticky.
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>>104331
It'll be fun, but like I said, I'm probably not going to be too reliable an editor for it.
Send me a link here or in the IRC, and I'll make time for it. Also I'm following the story on FiMfic, but I'msure it wouldn't hurt to get a different pair of eyes on it.

>>104328
It was more a request, but implying someones OC has more in common with the Twilight "Saga" protagonist than an actual, believable character is asking for trouble.

If you want to review something, hope in. If you just want to add color commentary, hop in. Just giving feedback is helpful in most cases, speak up for the silent majority.

As Ion said, the sticky has been upgraded to improve people's response to requests, so that everything gets attention in a fair fashion.
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Got a fresh one for you Minty. This one is hot out of my brain. Just the first chapter so far. (THIS time I want to make sure I'm starting off on the right hoof before writing five more chapters—though this one shouldn't be more than three in the end.)

I would mention it's up for one other review with MinJack, but he came back with one in less than an hour (link in doc) so at the moment it's on no other queues.

Title: Words Failed Her
Tags: [Adventure]
Words: 2870
NatLang: English
GDoc: http://tinyurl.com/wordsfailedher
Synopsis: In a world full of magic, even books can get viruses. When any correspondence or signpost can infect the unwary and cases are already starting to turn up in Ponyville, Twilight Sparkle casts the one spell that can give her time to stop the contagion: the Curse of Illiteracy. Now she has to figure out how to save all of Equestria... Without being able to read.
>> No. 104374
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Oh hi Minty
>>104371
>MinJack
... My pen name's not that hard to spell is it?
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>>104374
Don't sweat it. I've been called Monty, Ion's got Strum, it happens.
People don't read these things anyways.

Sure we tell them to read other reviews to learn about things they may want to avoid themselves, but do they ever listen? No...

So the best way to improve as a writer is to review other people's work for them.
>> No. 104378
>>104374
Sorry again, Minjask! I did that to you twice tonight too. The only excuse I can come up with us that three people in my family are named Jack. :)

Oh, and Minty (I'll avoid typing it any other way for fear of getting that misspelling stuck in my head too) I won't touch the linked-to file now until I hear you are done with it. :)
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>>104377
>Strum
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>>104381
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDUAtf9JLXY

It's somewhat endearing to see you throw hissy fits over typos on /fic/ when you've made a more-than-noticeable number of them yourself.
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>>104396
It's not like I actually get that mad over it. It's just part of the character, like Marty McFly never being able to turn down a dare if someone calls him a chicken.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BerserkButton
>> No. 104531
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Title: One Simple Choice
[Sad]
Synopsis: When Rainbow Dash is offered a high ranking weather position in Cloudsdale, she begins to lament the time gone by, as well as wonder what it is she really wants from life.
Word Count: 5950
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1raiglo7sR1X91BSN27uetcwpbVmPyebg7E1e3yHhavA/edit
Native Language: English

NickNack has already reviewed this. Not sure if you're the type to look at previous reviews or not, but if you are, here's the link:
http://www.ponychan.net/chan/fic/res/103290.html#i104386

This fic is also sitting in TTG, and should be picked up by Pascoite within a couple days (I talked to him in the chat about it).

As always, looking for an EqD level review.

Thanks!
>> No. 104539
>>103976
>>104000
Figure I'll post here since I got around to reading Flashgen's story today.

I agree a bit with Minty's reaction; I'm not sure exactly how useful you'll find my comments since I noticed next-to-nothing wrong with it. I liked the whole thing, and the touches about things being the same, and Twilight's "I-- she'll..." comment clued me into the fact that it's an alternate Twilight there.

If you found my input useful I'd be more than willing to make comments on further chapters as well.

-Warden
>> No. 104562
Hey there minty, I’m wondering if you could give this a look over for me. This is the final chapter to that derpy sadfic I sent you a while back. Don’t worry, there’s absolutely no chance of anything questionable in this one. I figure it’s new to your eyes, and I’m trying to get a number of opinions on its emotional content. It currently sits at 1,700 words, but I plan to add the remaining approximately 1,000 words tomorrow night. I also plan to send it to Hugbox, so let me know if you’ll look at it.

Title: A Special Mare (final chapter)
Summary: Derpy Hooves returns to Ponyville after years away, with little Dinky in tow, she meets her old friends but doesn’t recognize them, as she searches for a job and a place to stay.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Imajrj2ZgX1ZGgJtEO3nlvi-IDRYWHDdn5xKsLUCfEQ/edit
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>>104562
Funny story, I'm not allowed to talk about your story in the IRC any more.

Current Queue Status as per: http://derpy.me/MintyQueue

Among Alicorns: Pinkie is getting a great deal of joy working on this last time I checked. Should be fun.
Beyond the Dreamer's Veil & Words Failed Her: In process at the moment.
One Simple Choice & A Special Mare (final chapter): Queued.
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>>104586
>I'm not allowed to talk about your story in the IRC any more.
Oh, really? Ha-ha, that is funny. I guess it got too well established with the original storyline, oops. Ancient history, or soon to be. Anyway thanks for taking this, I look forward to your review.
sage
>> No. 104591
>>104586
Not sure whether I should be excited or nervous. For now i'll settle for a combination of both.
>> No. 104592
>>104347

Appreciate the offer, but I'm a terrible critic. If something isn't genuinely awful, I have a lot trouble finding stuff not to like. That being said, maybe I need to practice tearing apart lesser stuff.

Anyway, good to see we have a working deletehammer. All those threads made such a mess, and if there's one thing I can't stand it's an untidy /fic/ (all my cookies if you got that reference).
>> No. 104631
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Among Alicorns:

Pinkie's feeling a bit... worn-down today, so I'll be performing the review in her stead. How fortunate for you. I'll start with your synopsis, since Pinkie wouldn't want somepony to walk away from a review feeling like they didn't get her full, sincere, attention.

>One fateful evening, Celestia comes upon a foal lost in Canterlot. Cold and alone, the Alicorn Goddess takes the young mare under her wing. She later discovers, along with Luna, that the unassuming pegasus has a powerful secret. The dangerous ability to take away a unicorns control over their magic. Unsure how the feat is even possible for anypony with or without a horn, the two sisters become intrigued to help the young pegasus gain control over her most peculiar gift. However, they may not realize how dangerous that her power could become.

Not terribly gripping to start, but the real issue here is that, if you ask me, you are giving away way too much. You've basically rendered the first chapter a moot point by reducing it to about four sentences in your synopsis.

The purpose of a synopsis is to give a potential reader enough information to decide if they want to continue, not directly summarizing your story. Where's the excitement in that?

You know, beyond that, this synopsis sets off all sorts of alarms in my head. Mary Sue alarms. If only Pinkie was a little more confident, then maybe she wouldn't have to deal with Twilight for things like this... anyways.

Pegasus with a mysterious, unique, dangerous power. Let's just say, “biiing-booong” and move on for now.

Chapter 1:

Your introductory paragraph is boring. The only thing that kept me reading after the third sentence was the knowledge that Pinkie wouldn't be happy at all if I stopped. She's so earnest about helping ponies as much as possible... even if they don't care for or listen to her at all.

I hope I'm not hurting your feelings. That would make Pinkie sad.

Well, anyways. Part of the reason your opening is so snore-inducing is that you start it off with a weather report, one of the most uninteresting opening clichès in literature. Nopony is going to want to read about the weather, especially if that's not what your synopsis promised. Sure, maybe if the weather was the protagonist of the story an opening like this might be acceptable, but otherwise stick to the characters or action first. Why should the scenery get top billing?

It's called having a hook, and you don't. Even the next sentence, with it's mind-numbing simplicity, would make a better hook. Speaking of which, there is no reason at all for the second and third sentences to be split like that – they're directly related! Use a comma and ditch the simplistic sentence structure. Plain old short phrases like that are jarring to read, although they do have their uses for adding some punch to a detail.

You don't want to go around breaking the story's flow before it's even begun. That's your problem, really. That, and you haven't sold me on the story. The opening tells me the following:

1)It's night in Canterlot
2)Princess Celestia should be asleep but isn't
3)Princess Celestia has a lot on her mind

Maybe if I knew anything interesting about numbers two or three I might be inclined to continue, but I don't. I'm sure the Princess of the Sun worries about some very fascinating things – there's a lot of depth to her personality, you know. A lot of which you're ignoring completely. It doesn't help that I already know where this is going thanks to the synopsis.

Your opening would be greatly improved by the following things:

1)Not starting immediately with a weather report
2)More detail and descriptive imagery
3)Varied and interesting sentence structure
4)Giving Princess Celestia a little depth as a character, rather than a plot device

Pinkie's all about line-by-line reviews, helping ponies fix all their mistakes by wading through them with care and love. That's not really my style, but I'll indulge her and point out one little thing.

>Well... Almost nothing.
That's a double no. One, I'd keep ellipses out of narration as much as possible. A comma would do just as well. Two, you wouldn't capitalize after the ellipses.

That's enough of that. Moving on past the first paragraph, I can see that you keep the simple sentence structure throughout. I'd work on being a little more varied, if I were you.

This is where Princess Celestia really starts to fall apart as a character. Her motivations are degrading faster than sweet-cream icing left out in the sun. All that's left is a handy plot device.

For a tired pony who was just concerned about getting home, cleaning up, and going to sleep, Princess Celestia seems to have a remarkable tolerance for wandering about the back streets of Canterlot in the rain searching for the origin of a tin can which may or may not have been moved by a living being. Why the Princess even thinks it was anything but the wind is one thing, but why she would go searching at all is another.

More minor mechanical errors. They are there, if you look carefully. Just to satisfy Pinkie, take this guide and read it, focusing particularly on punctuation and dialogue punctuation. http://derpy.me/EznGuide

If you care to guess where I am in your story right now, you'll see the ones that triggered that anyways.

Dark coat, green, excuse me, emerald irises. Now why does that sound familiar? Bing-bong.

Princess Celestia's immediate concern for the filly would almost be an issue, but she seems to have a very kind an giving heart, so I'll simply ignore that for now.

>Racking her brain for a few seconds, she decided to start off with what she did with every conversation. “My name is Celestia,”

This pretty funny, I'll admit. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single pony in all of Equestria who wouldn't recognize Princess Celestia, Co-ruler of Equestria and Raiser of the Sun, on sight. To think that Princess Celestia starts every conversation in this manner made me giggle a little, but that doesn't excuse the fact that this is nonsensical.

>Or anywhere in Equestria for that matter.

Another sudden leap in logic by Princess Celestia that manages to completely defy common sense. I still not sure how aware our princess is of Equestria as a whole. I would imagine pretending to to be omniscient has some advantages... still, the bizarre thought is a plot point to establish your OC as alone in Equestria, not a natural conclusion brought about by evidence presented by reality.

>It wasn’t very often that anypony came across orphans in Equestria.

I don't know, I might assume the filly was a run-away before I jumped straight to orphan. Those would probably be a bit more likely. So, according to this story, the filly is an orphan in a strange land. Bing-bong.

Heartbroken is one word.

There sure is a lot here about this poor little filly, alone in the world, suffering by herself. Princess Celestia certainly is giving it a lot of thought. Bing-bong.

Deep, purplish-blue coat? Emerald eyes? Mane of midnight black with a streak of white? I'm going to just take a stab at a plot point now. She's going to have something to do with the advent of Nightmare Moon, isn't she? Bing-bong.

You know, it's a bit of a bore to read a full paragraph describing nothing but Canterlot Castle. You spend oh, around 5 sentences not moving the action along, not developing the characters, and not holding my interest. Is it really worth it to make sure I know how glorious and amazing Canterlot Castle is? The right balance is to mix all the interesting stuff, like character development and point-of-view with the boring stuff, like descriptions.

Actually, the problem runs deeper than that. What's the perspective on this, anyways? It looks like 3rd person, and you do dip into Celestia's thoughts, so I'm going to assume 3rd person limited for now. In that case, you're not doing a very good job of maintaining Celestia's point of view. On the other hoof, if this is 3rd person omniscient, this is more acceptable, if a bit boring.

Pegasus wouldn't be capitalized in this case.

>lineage's namesake

You're going to have to explain that one.

And you are doing it again. Another full paragraph devoted to scenery that's not terribly interesting.

>The filly let her eyes linger on a particular window with the image of a black alicorn with his wings spread wide across the glass. From the mesmerizing swirls and trails of color surrounding him, the filly guessed he was performing an astounding feat of magic.
>he

Now that's some interesting territory your treading into. I hope you know what you're in for, or that you've just made a typo.

>The foal felt like a wound in this place. Everything surrounding her was full of so much color and life, and she was there sullying it with the filth that clung to her fur.

How dramatic. Besides that, this seems telly. You've told me how she feels (“like a wound”) rather than shown me the behavior that indicates the emotion (feeling out-of-place). Bing-bong.

Princess Celestia personally drawing a bath for your OC? What a kind and generous soul she is.

>“Celestia are you all... WHAT THE HAY?!”

How undignified for our Princess of the Night.

>“Something went wrong when I tried to use my magic. I was running a bath for my friend and...”

Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, that didn't take long at all for the filly to be Princess Celestia's friend. Bing-bong.

>”Hoof me a towel”

Pass me a towel would probably work a little better, don't you think?

>Underneath sat a handsome purple-blue pegasus with a striking jet black mane. Her white highlight gleamed, no longer dinged by all the dirt. Her emerald green eyes were a stunning contrast to her darker colors.

I didn't really need the refresher on her physical appearance, but it's good to know that she's very pretty when clean. Bing-bong.

>The filly was in all reality every bit as beautiful as princess had teased her to be. The young mare was a gorgeous color and her mane was thick and smooth, regardless of the fact that it refused to stay straight. Had it not been cropped so short, Luna was certain that her hair would have lain down beautifully.

Bing-bong. Bing-bong. Bing-bong. Bing-bong.

>“Unicorns can’t control their magic around me.”

Super-special power? BING-BONG

An affinity with Princess Luna, with the princess being the only unicorn unaffected by this power? I think my guess must have been quite right. Bing-bong.

>Luna could see the amount of distress this filly had accumulated in her life time rapidly building up behind her eyes. Years of running from a curse she did not understand left her with many scars.

How very astute of our Princess, that she can see a pony's past and emphasize how tragic it was with just a glance. Bing-bong.

>Years of running from a curse she did not understand left her with many scars.

Yes, this deserves a second mention. Bing-bong.

At least Princess Celestia has the common sense to ask the name of the filly, after several hours of being in her presence.

Ah, sorry about the sarcasm. No hard feelings, right? Pinkie's not very keen on sarcasm.

A Sure-fire Mary Sue:

Each of those “bing-bongs” above is a flag going off. A Mary Sue flag. Sure Fire doesn't just have one or two Sue qualities, she's practically made out of them. Explaining all the qualities of a Mary Sue is a burden I don't feel like shouldering, so I'll point you towards an excellent resource for you own self-edification: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

That should be good enough for Pinkie.

If you aren't willing to take my word for it that Sure Fire is a Sue, there's always the classical test: http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm Be as honest as possible. Oh, and if you find yourself making an excuse for Sure Fire in the course of answering those questions, just mark the option already.

The important thing to note is that nopony likes a Mary Sue but their creator. A Mary Sue is boring, because they are simply too perfect to be of any interest whatsoever. You've told me a lot about Sure Fire:

1)She's alone in Equestria and an orphan
2)She's suffered a cruel past/fate
3)She's very beautiful
4)She has a unique, special power
5)Princesses Celestia and Luna have taken a liking to her

None of which indicates any depth or flaws. Really. Here are some much more interesting questions you should be able to answer. Answering these is a good step towards not being a Sue.

1)What was Sure Fire's foalhood like? Details are important here, really. Saying it was suffering doesn't count. The good and the bad.
2)What's Sure Fire's favorite flavor of ice cream, and why?
3)What is it that Sure Fire fears the most?
4)What does Sure Fire enjoy more than anything?
5)If she wasn't found by Princess Celestia, what was her plan?

Give these questions some serious thought. As it is now, I wouldn't willingly read this story with Sure Fire the way she is.

I'm not trying to scold you about this, but she needs work, and it's a common enough mistake.

Sorry, Pinkie, I guess I can't be as nice as you after all. I tried. - D.
>> No. 104636
>>104631
Minty, I can't thank you enough for the noteworthy amount of time that you took to write this review. No worries, there are no hard feelings.

I've always felt that my writing lacked substance, but could never find anyone that would give me a straight forward answer and wouldn't pull punches. It's hard to estimate how much you are succeeding or failing when all you ever get is, 'Hey great story.'

I won't lie to you. This all was a blow to take and I may feel a little staggered from it, but the motivation to keep writing and improve is more than anything I would have gotten from yet another pat on the back. This was all more than I was hoping for and now I can step back and reevaluate where this story stands. You have my sincerest thanks. Also, if you can pass along my gratitude to Pinkie. Seems she had a fair amount to do with this as well
>> No. 104638
>>104636
Just realized this might not have been Minty, so thanks to whomever this might be.
>> No. 104639
(I understand this story draft is long, so please don't worry if this is low priority; and if you don't wish to review it please let me know.)

[Title]: Time & Space

[Summary]: Sburb is a game that subjects your planet to meteor death to buy you time, and progressively gets worse from there. For those who succeed at winning the 'game', there is the Ultimate Reward; a universe for your own.

So why did these two remaining winners get dropped into Equestria?

[Link]: FimFiction (Overall): http://www.fimfiction.net/story/28511/Time-%26amp%3B-Space

[Word Count]: 8,518 words as of Chapter 4.

[Native Language]: British English

[Tags]: #Crossover #Human #Sad (Other tags are present, but not 'used' yet.)

[Notes] This is on Strike 2 of being submitted to Equestria Daily. I will provide the pre-reader comments if wished; they only skimmed it, I am wishing for a bit more a judgmental and deep look. The aim is for the reader to not need knowledge of what has been crossed over with to be able to understand the story.

Thank you for your time.
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>>104371
It seems fine. Yes underwhelming response, but nothing comes across horrible, forced, klunky, or extreme.

> The one spell she knew that wasn't in that book, however—the lack of which now causing tears to pour from her eyes—was its cure.
Well, 'cept this line.
It's a book of curses publicly available in the local library. Even if it's research materials from the Canterlot Archives, only a fool would allow such a book to be released without the proper countermeasures available.

The entire field of magic disassembly would be a viable field in that universe. I'm sure there are experts who's only function in society is to teach boring classes about charm disenchantment to spoiled rich kids looking for an easy elective.

So, with Twilight's background in magic -and assurance that curses don't exist- the amount of melodrama contained in that line exceeds acceptable parameters.

That said, this would need at least one more chapter to see where it's going. I haven't seen anything stupid yet, but it's going to need a bit more meat on the main story before you're getting a strong following.
What you have now is interesting and well constructed, but I would want to see more before I would approve it.
>> No. 104664
>>104663
Well, I did just finish writing the rest of the story. This is a one-shot, only two chapters and a one-page epilogue.

It hasn't been proofread at all, but bearing that in mind, you are welcome to read the rest:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V21RpeTdXhY5QB8zP6I8Ht4en0m2HoycfsURtTiYx4w/edit

The link contains chapter one as well, but you can use the index links to jump directly to chapter 2.

If you do, you should read chapter one up to when Mr. Cake comes into the library looking for Twilight. I added a few short paragraphs there between her and Spike that add a touch of background information that becomes important in chapter two.

I don't think chapter two is quite as much fun as chapter one, as it's a bit dialog-heavy.
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(sage-ing this, as it's just fun fanchatter)

I thought a lot about the magic I have Twilight use in this. I wanted it to at least be self-consistent within the story.

Going from her show-based comment that there are no "curses" per se, I thought about what would look like a curse.

Magic that does harm, seemed the obvious answer. If the "curse" she uses erases all knowledge about reading and writing, then there probably wouldn't be a counter-spell anyway. Once erased, its gone. Best you could do in that case would be a fast-learning spell, or some such, which strikes me as dangerous ground—both for the characters, and for the show/stories.

After all, you don't want to create that classic Mary Sue character that said the famous line:

"I know kung-fu!"

But yeah, her lamenting over there being no cure seemed natural for Twilight's character. She rushed into performing the spell by logical reasoning, and only afterwards had an emotional reaction to what she had done. A moment later, and she'd probably be telling herself that she knew going into this that there wouldn't be a fast "cure."

I didn't write the line to be the "last touching moment of the chapter"... It just surprised me. And I thought: ooh. End here. Make this two chapters instead of one so that moment lingers a little longer than just scanning down three blank lines. :)

It was fun trying to describe how Twilight saw the magic as she was casting it, or felt it, rather, in chapter two. (Without going into boring, superfluous detail, of course.) :)

And I hope her discovery of the cause of the "plague" is satisfactory.
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>>104562
I just finished this a little while ago. The final word count came to 2709.
I'm not really sure what to tag it as, but it's the final chapter to a sad fic, so I guess I should mark it [sad].
And just because I see it at the end of the OP, my native language is American English.
>> No. 104718
>>104664
I added a sentence (well, a fragment to be exact) right after the last line of chapter one. It doesn't explain why there's no cure, just that there is none.

I imagine curses as ongoing, potentially permanent spells that continuously cause harmful effects to happen to or around the cursed individual. If we wanted to get all physics-y with magic (a dubious, if fun pursuit) then this might violate the law of conservation of magic. But regardless, such an ongoing evil enchantment could be countered by another spell.

### Some spoilers ahead. Not blacked out because that would use up all the black ink. ###

Her illiteracy spell was merely a one-shot. Find all knowledge about written language and delete it, leaving a language-shaped hole in her mind. MIght be possible to scan the empty sectors and recover some of the data, but I can rarely get that to work well with my hard drives, and they have the advantage of being deterministic.

Far easier to just fill the hole with the knowledge the long way. It would likely even go easier because there's a ready-made and form fitting hole in her head just waiting for it. :) But I'm getting ahead of your place in the story...
>> No. 104763
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I've got some notes for you:

> it shone as bright as Celestia's sun.
You get one instance of this kind of thing. One.
And that's assuming people just don't abandon the story on sight. Do you really need this? I'm talking about 'Celestia's sun'. It's one shot on the MLP:FiM fanfic drinking game it's so common and over used.

Maybe more space separating the scenes? They seem to start to run together. The transitions have less space between them than the paragraphs. With such frequent transitions, it couldn't hurt to space them out more.

> It was a disconcerting feeling to not know what way was up or down.
Which I think. Which way was up or down.

>All around her, the various apple trees of the Apple family were in full bloom.
So the trees are flowering, that's--
> She reached up to grab an apple from one of the nearby trees,
Umm... What?

> She supposed her friend was right, she hadn’t come out of her room at all recently.
So your Pinkie sections aren't third person limited to Pinkie? That would explain a good deal too.


I finished your story. Even gave it a thumbs up, which isn't very common at all at this point.
The two different sections of the story could use a more unique voice. Twilight's side goes out of it's way to use more complex words than Pinkie's side, but both stories are told in third person omni.

It's really hard to take Pinkie's emotional state at face value when you're able to jump over into Twilight, Fluttershy, or Mrs. Cake's mind while she's recounting her tale.

Twilight's dream logic is cute, effective, and very tiring to read. If the story was all dream logic, that would be very difficult to read. So that's not as horrible as it sounds, it's just a road bump really.
Pinkie seems to have problems holding the center of attention while telling her story though. Point of view bounces around away from her any time another character appears. Which sort of hurts the story. You're not letting Pinkie read other characters, you switch point of view and just have them act out directly for the reader.

Tighten up the point of view around Pinkie for the present point of view, and it'll make the 'awake' side seem more real than the 'dream' side of the story.
Which is the most important part for the story to be effective.

Also treat your section breaks like whole paragraphs of their own. Space above, space below.
>> No. 104797
>>104763

Thank you for the review. I'll likely go fix up the parts you specifically highlighted right now.

I'll probably end up scrapping the Pinkie sections not told from her perspective while I'm consolidating the sections so the shifts aren't so jarring.

Thanks again for the advice.
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>>104639
> The aim is for the reader to not need knowledge of what has been crossed over with to be able to understand the story.
That is the aim. You've attempted to resolve this via 'info dumping'. Which is to say you outright tell the reader about the content you're crossing over with, rather then letting the information convey naturally.
This makes sense, as this really isn't a MLP story, and is really just another Homestuck fic.

Notes are as follows:
> Sburb is an inevitability for every world; Earth; Equestria; and many millions of other planets with life that we haven’t even come close to discovering.
That's not how semi-colons work. You'd probably want:
> Sburb is an inevitability for every world; Earth, Equestria, and many millions of other planets with life that we haven’t even come close to discovering.
Seeing as Earth, Equestria, and etc is a list of objects. More than one semi-colon in a sentence is a very, very limited occurrence when listing things that already have commas in them.

> He was friendly… enough,
> he is a bit… unreliable.
> leads to... unfavourable results.

I let it slide the first few times, but ellipsis use in narration is frowned on. Using it this many times in a row drags your already dry introduction into the gutter, expecting my love for Homestuck to drag me on through to Homestuck + Ponies.
This might work on a Homestuck site, but aiming something like this at a Pony site is just...
Selling Nascar tickets at a Greenpeace rally?

> (For those of you that are interested, its Ultimate Reward is a universe to rule, or a universe to live in. It’s your reward, after all, you get to choose.)
Why is this in brackets? Remove the brackets, and the statement remains unchanged.

> As an example, Sburb considers itself a ‘game’ and then will promptly treat your planet to meteor death to save itself and buy you some time to win.
That sentence doesn't make sense. I can see how you could mistake it for making sense if you understood the context in detail beforehand; but for the rest of us plebeians, that sentence just reminds me of the three other stories I'm trying to review at this time.

> they will mean nothing in the grand scheme.
That's great for establishing how useless most of the characters are going to be. But on the other hand it would be nice to get to a story sometime tonight.

> More… a brother.
God damn it man! Skimming mode activating! Most boring 2000 words I've read this week... And I was reading tech manuals just this morning...

Oh, second person text game adventure style. No.

Then you engage in script format on top of the second person. No, no, no.

This is a bet, right? Someone put you up to this? Years of screaming about how much I hate the second person point of view has lead to this.

You have a very interesting Homestuck fic with My Little Ponies in it. I'm sure it would do well with an audience of Homestuck fans. Perhaps you should post it in the Homestuck General on /co/.
Your tags on FIMfic include Celestia, OC, and the Mane 6. You don't actually have a Sad tag there though, but you list that one here. I'm sure you need someone to go over this work to help you work out the issues. That person is not me.

Your vital first chapter, spends 2038 words talking about back story before introducing any notable characters. When you do get around to introducing characters, the format changes so drastically as to be reading a different story. Homestuck fans will apparently love it. Everyone else will shrug and move on with their lives.

This is the template for other crossovers. Replace all references of Ponies to Bears, and it's a Care Bears crossover. Bouncy asian teens would make for an anime crossover. Make them brightly colored pre-teen girls, and it'll cross over with Strawberry Shortcake, easy-peasy.

This doesn't feel like it exists for any reason outside of dropping Liam and Paul into a universe so they can abuse their magical powers over time and space, potentially to sex up your favorite characters.
Be that character Fluttershy and Luna, or any other female chosen at random.
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Let's call her Silver Spoon for now. ~MintyRest

Okay, okay, where to begin?

Actually, I know the perfect spot. You’ve really managed to capture the Homestuck spirit, in that the introduction manages to be entirely uninteresting. I’ve diligently read far too many pages of actual John-stuck-at-home to give up now, but hearing all about these two OCs and their game, for a full chapter no less, bores me.

I can’t help but feel like, in an attempt to make it accessible to both fandoms, you’ve failed at either goal. For the initiated, the first chapter is an infodump that isn’t terribly fun to read. For the outsider, it’s still an infodump, but maybe it has slightly more entertainment value.

And then story progression after the bout of info-dump. Sounds just like Homestuck to me.

Here’s the big, massive issue:

The closer a Homestuck crossover tries to imitate Homestuck, the more it begins to resemble literary suicide.

I’m sorry, but I highly doubt anyone can mimic Hussie’s style. He’s a mad fool who has trained his readers to accept the almost grating medium through which he delivers his story, and taught them to love it, to crave it.

It’s not something that can be replicated easily, or well, without a truly immense amount of effort. I mean, you could do it, but why bother? You’ve gone and put on shackles when you never needed to in the first place.

Who cares if some part of your audience demands their pesterlogs and such? You don’t need them, because you could be writing a story in a much more natural manner. Think about it. Proper dialogue attribution is much less jarring than Gift of Gab logs.

And don’t get me started on the characters... of course, I’m going to keep going anyways.

Homestuck is full of Mary Sues. Tons of them. Hussie gets away with it because:
1) He kills characters constantly
2) Rarely, if ever, do the Sues actually use their powers
3) He’s Hussie. Fans would eat up anything he could possibly write, period.

Jade? Sue.
Dave? Sue.
Kanaya? Sue.

I could go on and on, but my point is made. You’ve got Homestuck-brand characters (essentially Sues) in Equestria with little to no mitigating factors. This is a problem.

The diagnosis: Step away from the Homestuck formatting. Really, you’ll be much better off, take it from me. The less of it you lean on, the easier it will be for non-fans to get interested.
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Evening, Minty. *doffs hat* Verily.

>>104742
>>104776

I was discussing this fic in terms of hypotheticals earlier. Since I spotted the actual fic here, I'll chime in with a quick not-a-review-well-in-hindsight-I-guess-it-is-one.

Regarding the point on infodump, SilverSpoon!Minty is right on the money. In around a thousand words of Chapter 1, you bring up Liam and Paul's titles, the concept of an individual going grimdark, Sburb/the Medium/the Ultimate Reward/the purpose of the game, LOCAC and LOTAF, the Battlefield, paradox clones, the final battle, and I'm probably missing a few of them. The unifying theme is that none of these are relevant to Chapter 1. Really. You cover nearly all of this again in later chapters, between a Pesterchum log, Liam and Paul demonstrating their time/space powers, explaining stuff to the Princesses and the Elements. I'd kill the majority of Chapter 1, and start around the point of "So, of course, the first thing you ever see..." You'd need to smooth over this missing information a bit, but this moves the introduction of Twilight and Fluttershy much closer to the beginning. Honestly, that's what everyone (yourself included) wants to see anyway. The OCs' backstory can be unfolded as it becomes relevant. On the minus side, like DiamondTiara!Minty pointed out, then this falls into a cliche start of "self-insert OC wakes up as pony in Ponyville and immediately meets Mane 6", but this at least is somewhat justified because implied Sburb universe creation (maybe).

Chapter 4 was more what I had in mind in >>104776 Not even Celestia knows what's going on here, so Liam is able to explain critical info. Except there's still a few issues here. It kinda feels like this.

Liam: blah blah blah Medium.
Celestia: Medium?
Liam: Oh, the Medium is blah blah blah Strife Specibus.
Celestia: Strife Specibus?
Liam: Oh, a Strife Specibus is blah blah blah Captchalogue Deck.

I'm not necessarily calling this boring. The issues here are 1) again, too much info that's not yet relevant. Save these in your notes, and bring them out in the chapter they become relevant. And 2) you're covering a lot of vocab and lore in a few thousand words. You're covering, in several thousand words, what Hussie had several thousand pages to explain. Newcomers' eyes are going to be swimming. Fans will be skimming since all of this is review to them, and they're only looking for key bits, like what Liam's and Paul's -kind are. Spreading out this information across later chapters might help a little.

And this leads into the next issue: as it stands now, I'm not sure this fic is that accessible to someone not familiar with Homestuck. There's too many bizarre words and concepts. The formatting is odd: second person, random bolded commands, all dialogue in script format. Sure, you or I feel right at home here, but someone who only knows FIM is going to be so very lost. And in the world of fanfics, that means closed tab.

And this leads into the next issue. While I'm not an EqD prereader and can't speak for them, all of these factors (primarily the "not very accessible to those unfamiliar with source material" part, and the script format) may weigh against your fic. To my understanding, "general appeal" is one of the criteria used in deciding whether or not a fic goes up, and you're decidedly going for niche appeal, even as far as crossovers go. Not that I'm telling you to change stuff for the sole purpose of getting onto EqD; a decision as drastic as overhauling formatting should not be made frivolously.

That said, DiamondTiara!Minty does have a bit of a point. Readers like prose. Mimicing Hussie is hard. Indeed, you seem to break down a bit in Chapter 4. The input commands from Chapters 1 and 3 disappeared. Also, in the parts where Liam is most loquacious, he drops in and out of script formatting. If you compare to the source material, characters will generally repost their name in the script every few sentences, when they're talking for long stints of time (I'm specifically thinking of moments where Karkat or Vriska have infodumped). Heck, Liam reposts his name at a few points in Chapter 3, so that's what you'd want to do in Chapter 4. Or, as DiamondTiara!Minty suggests, switch to prose. I personally can't comment here, as I haven't read Homestuck fanfiction, so I can't really attest how "weird" it would be to see Homestuck in a non-script format.

Other random thoughts:
-Swordkind in otherwise-canonical Equestria, with an Everyone rating, may be thematically problematic. Depending on how far the story gets swung in the Homestuck direction (e.g. Mane 6 entering the Medium), it could end up being fine. If sticking inside Equestria, he may be better served with a less weapony weapon like Paul's pillowkind.
-A question which I ask rhetorically, and with no offense implied, is: you do have a reason for crossing this over with ponies, right? I'm not asking for you to post your answers here; I'm just checking that you've thought that far ahead. So far, the story is strongly focused on the OCs, and the reasoning for involving the Mane 6 or Princesses (at this point in the story) is vestigal. If they'll have bigger significance soon, great (though again, consider moving this significance earlier, if possible). If they won't gain significance, consider dropping them.

So, I'd meant to toss in just a few elaborative points, but then I wrote a ton of words, so I'll retroactively call this a review! My suggestions at this point are:
-Definitely remove currently-extraneous facts. Save them for later chapters, once they're relevant. This will cut down on infodump.
-Consider converting to prose vs. keeping in Hussie format
--If keeping Hussie format, make sure that you do/can keep on top of it! At all times!
--If keeping Hussie format, I'd colorize the names in the scripts. Really improves readability IMO.
--Prose is likely safer, especially if you're hellbent on EqD.
-Consider if reapplying to EqD makes sense for your fic, given niche appeal
--EqD is always a tantalizing goal. But sticking only to Fimfiction will give you more flexibility with your formatting, the ability to really pander to that niche MLP/Homestuck fanbase, etc.

Anyway, back to lurkmode I go. Or rather, sleep.
>> No. 104859
>>104812
Thank you for the review, good sir. I understand your complaints and I will do my level best to rectify them. I am rewriting the story to have a better narrative and storyline, and I am trying to get advice on how to drop information without resorting to an info dump. (See the Story Forge).

As for the timey/spacey thing, I'll do my best to ensure those powers aren't messed with.

Again, thank you. Would you mind if I asked for advice at a later date?
>> No. 104863
Does anyone know which font is used on fimfiction?
>> No. 104864
>>104863
The serif font (default) is Georgia.
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>>104859
For the record, you got reviews from three different people. I'm not even the most helpful really.

> As for the timey/spacey thing, I'll do my best to ensure those powers aren't messed with.
You see, this is a problem in this fandom actually. It comes up pretty commonly, usually in the form of:
____ is an alicorn, but s/he doesn't use magic, because that would be overpowered.

But random strange powers are like a threat leveled at the reader. You as a writer can say they won't affect the story, but how do I as a reader know they won't?
You can attempt to mitigate the powers, but again, how do I know it's not part of a giant feint to let my guard down, until Mystery Character X uses his/her limited gravity powers to crush the BBEG's heart?

> Again, thank you. Would you mind if I asked for advice at a later date?
> I'm not going to read the same chapter through fifty different revisions. Once I see a chapter, that's the version that's locked in my head. It's the version I'll remember you by.
I got through chapter one. Anything past that is fine. But not chapter one.
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So you have a perfectly effective, emotionally manipulative story.

Your paragraph spacing leaves something to be desired, as you neither indent or double space your dialog. But it's not that annoying as your walls of text tend to be short and have actually paragraph formats between them.

Alphonse is a stupid pony name.

The end might have more impact if I knew who Jack was, and the scene with Pinkie was surprisingly anti-climactic, but... nope, that's it.
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>>104879
Thanks for the review, I was hoping it would get an emotional response.

>Alphonse is a stupid pony name.
I guess you're entitled to that opinion, especially since I asked you for it. I was looking for a name that could be shortened to Al, and the name Alphonse also allows me to have Derpy refer to him as Alphie when she's a filly. The name Alphonse Mailek was a stupid attempt to create the pun Alphie Mail.

Jack is supposed to be an old friend of Derpy's, who she met on her travels. It was added as a slight love interest, to tie the whole final scene together. This entire story was inspired by the song, "Autumn" by Jackleapp Maybe I could edit him into the rest of the story but I don't see how.

The scene with Pinkie has been a bother to me, I needed to re-establish the muffins, and give her a place to live, as well as pull Pinkie back in so her appearance in the beginning of the original story didn't seem so contrived. It all fell together nicely, but I agree it feels like it could have had more.

Thanks for your opinion on this, it is greatly appreciated.
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[Adventure][grimdark]

Synopsis: Daring Do has been sent to retrieve a seal of chaos from the Barrows in the Everfree Forest. Along the way, she makes a friend who helps her stay alive to adventure another day.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZQ8ZNQKoIaoCLXJ431B7T3JhtVzdzCJ5LtHyyy5TK_0/edit

Native language: English
Word Count: 7330

Is there anything I forgot? Yes? Yell at me please. No? *Phew* Glad I got that over with. Enjoy the story, even if it's only in the concept and not in execution. Thank you!
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I'm surprised you're going multipart here when the other one was single and also ended with about as much non-resolution.

This of course makes me wonder if you plan on touching everypony with this situation of them slowly growing apart as the city expands.

But then I realized, that this could all be part of Celestia's plan to wipe out Ponyville, possibly with a meteor... But that seemed a bit too dark in comparison.

I noted all the minor errors I saw, but, it seems like a perfectly fine chapter. Which means I probably missed something.
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>>105055

Damn. Now I'm wishing that I hadn't given you that piece of crap "First Dawn," which is the only thing tainting my perfect record with you :P

The reason this is going to be multi-part is because I plan on doing some MASSIVE character development for Rainbow Dash, which will include lots of backstory and reflecting. Not sure exactly how in depth I'll go with the other characters, but I do plan to have them at least reflect on Rainbow's change in behavior.

Hmm, guess then I'll ask some reader response questions, if you don't mind.
-How did the characterization feel to you? Do you think I adequately filled the gap between canon personalities and current personalities? This is one issue NickNack had.
-Does Rainbow Dash starting a journal/writing the letter to Celestia eventually seem too OOC at all?
-Is it believable that Rainbow Dash doesn't want to tell her friends about the letter?
-What did you pick up from the visit to Fluttershy?

I think that's it for now. If you're okay with it, you could just answer here, or in the chat. Thanks again for your review :)
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>>105069
> -How did the characterization feel to you? Do you think I adequately filled the gap between canon personalities and current personalities? This is one issue NickNack had.
I'm pretty loose with canon personalities actually. You've given enough time and reasons for change to have occurred. Nothing stands out as wrong with the characterizations specifically.

> -Does Rainbow Dash starting a journal/writing the letter to Celestia eventually seem too OOC at all?
Yes? Considering in Season Two, her letters to Celestia consist of: 'Friends are people that can do things for you' and 'Spike, do a letter for me', she'd have to become more mature to actually think about asking for help directly.
... But she'd have to be more mature to be put in as head of the local weather team and to be offered the job in the first place.

> -Is it believable that Rainbow Dash doesn't want to tell her friends about the letter?
Rainbow Dash not wanting to let others know she's indecisive is completely in character. As you point out, her persona is one of action. To be introspective is not one of her strong points.

> -What did you pick up from the visit to Fluttershy?
Fluttershy needs to be needed. I'm surprised Rainbow Dash misses all the cues about Fluttershy's anger issues, but paying attention to others is not her strong point. Fluttershy has the money to pick up an X-ray machine, but not indoor lighting.
Also ponies in New Ponyville are jerks.
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I've got nothing.

No seriously.

I mean, sure; a tiny, tiny bit of nagging over Ponyville throwing a celebration before starting clean up efforts.
The last segments of the story's timeline seems a bit rushed, as a large number of events take place before Twilight settles down to start learning to read again in the epilogue.

But story wise? The story seems fine. Especially as a oneshot.
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>>105108
I'll get working on those problems right awa—

Oh.

Okay. Um, thanks. :)

(*whew*!)
>> No. 105230
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Hello, Minty. This one has had a "yea" and a "neigh" so far, and I can't think of anyone better to settle the matter.

Title: "The Savage Way"
[Adventure][Sci-Fi][Human]
Synopsis: A disaster at sea strands Caramel on an island with one other survivor: a human immigrant. They agree to work together, but Caramel's new friend may not be as benevolent as he seems.
Word Count: 5127
Language: Canadian English
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b9hlmckdYoweAGLxhx_ypKKZoqmnO-8EFFvLrpUJcxk/edit?pli=1

Thanks in advance.
>> No. 105618
Never mind; cancel that.
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>>105618
> Never mind; cancel that.
Cancel, but I... No, fine. It's fine, I'm cool. Not like I spent a few days looking through this. I'm still not sure why this story exists outside of general paranoia building.
http://www.lrgaf.org/deadly_equines.htm
I mean, Carmel being a fluffy kitten aside, hunger is hunger. It's not like he's biologically incapable of processing meat stuff. He's just not prone to it.

Then there's the fact there is nothing identifiable to the character as Caramel Apple.
Plus, I'm pretty sure you think you're using Caramel instead of Caramel Apple. ( Pic Related, Caramel Apple's the one next to Big Mac who looks like Carrot Top Golden Harvest. She's from out of town, introduced in Episode 1? )
It's not a big deal besides the gender issues. I suppose Caramel Apple could see herself as male? It's probably not what you were looking to tackle, but...

You could have used this work to reflect on the horror of existence. Instead you have the vague threat of a plot unresolved, not enough detail in the main character to make them seem real to the reader, and an antagonist who is more relatable in the fact that the reader learns little to nothing about him.

And a story that I've read, but have no idea why I would have. Especially when it adds 'Human' as a common race for no reason other than to have an omnivore on site, willing to eat boot leather.

Queue Status
A Dog, A Pony, and an Adventure - In conference.
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A Dog, A Pony, and an Adventure:

Ugh, this was such a pain in the flank, you know? It took fooreever to figure out your problems, but I still did it anyways. You should be thankful for all the hard work I did.

You’ve made two big mistakes (three if you want to count being a dunderhead):
1) Assuming I care about every little thing
2) Answering your own questions the second you ask them

What does this mean for you? Well, I guess I’ll have to explain it to you, since you sound like a pretty dull pony.

A lot of the details you’ve chosen to include in the story are sorta boring and extra. I mean, you just drown out all the interesting stuff in facts and side-stuff, and it gets really dry. For example, the bit about the Everfree Forest being unexplored is basically exposition - it has almost no bearing on the current events at all, so why does Daring Do even say it?

I’m just not interested in things like that, since you could be doing something fun, like action-y stuff, or I could just go and play outside. Most of the time I can’t even think of a reason to add the detail besides as a way for you, the author, to get some world-building done. Why do I need to know how many traps, and exactly which kinds, Daring has evaded on the way in? Why do I need to know every little action Winona makes?

I can understand that maybe you want to try and share how vivid and detailed the story is in your head, but it’s reached the point where you’re smothering the readers in your vision.

You just keep doing it to. It’s not even that bad of a story, I mean really, a lot of ponies without a refined taste wouldn’t care, but I just find myself wishing I could go and play instead.

Another thing! The Everfree Forest is pretty random, but it doesn’t help anypony if your narration is dead-predictable. The fog didn’t exist until you needed it, and then you go and describe it in just such a way that it suits your purposes, and nothing else. What sense does that make? Anypony could have told you she was going to trip or fall shortly, when you’re being so obvious like that.

>It was so thick that she couldn’t actually see the ground and anything hidden underneath would be impossible to detect until she was on top of it.
That’s very, awfully specific.

As for the second thing, I guess it’s called sounding contrived? Every time a snag comes up, you patch it almost immediately with an answer.

>Why can’t Daring Do just fly there?
>Magic shield.

>Why is Daring Do even doing this?
>Need the chaos seal.

>Why can the undead pony talk?
>Chaos magic.

I wouldn’t even have cared that much if you had just left them unanswered, or even unasked, but oh no, you had to fill in all the gaps. I guess it falls in the same group as the first point, but it’s annoying enough to earn its own section. Without these two issues, I might have enjoyed this.

Now that the overview is out of the way...

Suddenly is a terrible word to use in narration. These events only occur when I read them, so to call it sudden is really redundant. There’s probably a better way.

>an over friendly squirrel.
Typo. You’re supposed to know what you’re doing, so I don’t see why I need to explain your mistakes so much as point them out to you.

I have to give Daring credit, no mention of how terrifying it was that a snake just killed a squirrel right in front of her? I would be running straight home, after that.

>Looking at it, she found that she was indeed very close to the tombs.
Try describing things a bit more, or at least choose a different phrase.

>You’d think a pegasus would be able to just fly me in, I retrieve the seal, and be flown out
Isn’t Daring Do a pegasus? Actually, forget that, because this whole line is based on the assumption that she can’t fly. Did she hurt her wing or something?

>“But no... of course the ponies who built the Barrows had to place a magic shield around it to prevent doing just that. Discordian era paranoia, that’s what it”
Wow, how convenient!

Does she ever have an adventure where she actually can fly? Why did the author even make her a pegasus if they’re just going to ground her over and over again.

>However, when she turned, nothing popped out and there was no sign that it had even been something living that had disturbed the leaves.
That’s highly specific. Way, super, over specific.

>Memories of a similar experience flooded her mind.
Please don’t introduce flashbacks like this. I’m a smart-enough filly to tell when there’s a scene cut to a flashback, so I expect most other ponies would get it. Well, either that, or try and be a bit more delicate about it.

>Daring looked at her right hoof began weighing her options. “I could make it quick and come back. But again, the urgency in Celestia’s voice.” She looked at her other hoof. “But you are a liability if I take you with me. However, you did save my life.”
This whole bit needs to be re-phrased. It’s just too chunky, and I can’t even tell which hoof is the pros and which one is the cons.

>Dead ponies can’t hurt us after all.
That’s a direct contradiction! What is Daring, stupid? She just had a flashback about undead ponies, and she’s carrying a seal meant to bind the undead! She should know what she’s getting into.

>“Of course.”
This is something I just keep repeating to myself over and over again when I’m reading this story, and not even in the good way.

>“Just stay right behind me and we’ll avoid the traps.
Missing an end-quote.

>But they’re in remarkably good condition for ponies that are supposed to have been dead for centuries. Twenty bits says they’re draugrs.
She’s not making any sense at all. Pre-emptive strikes? Well, if she’s so suspicious, why isn’t she saving herself the trouble and taking the initiative?

>Just don’t dismiss that ringing as nothing,” Daring reminded herself. “The last time you did that, you nearly ended up a permanent fixture in that temple,” as she said this
This could just be a thought. No reason to say it out loud.

>Daring Do found herself shrugging in reality. “You’ll be missed, Digger. But I have to move on.”
That is so cold! Daring Do’s Saddest Adventure? Hah! It sounds like she barely cared for him at all.

>“They really don’t want anyone to come this way, do they?”
>anyone

>Beware: It will be silent until the last second. Flee now, or suffer the fate I did.
Amazing how often you answer your own questions, and yet this note manages to never be relevant. The fact that this is what a pony starving to death in a cage would write as their last words shatters my suspension of disbelief.

>Strange. Given the reaction the rest of the place has had to me, I’d think the dead would be rising left and right.
Why isn’t she bucking them all to dust, then?

>“Thiss iss true, but what is ourss is ourss,” came the hissed reply from the lead draugr. “It may take advantage of the choass in our bodies, preventing uss from leaving, but... yearss of ssolitude changess thingss.”
Changes what, exactly? After spoon, no, force-feeding me all these explanations, it’s highly unsatisfying when you drop things like this that make no sense and don’t attempt to explain them.

>“Yeah, I have. A bunch of tall tales, but good non-the-less. You know what? I’ll just wait outside.”
Obvious.

>Rainbow Dash pushed past Daring. “Sweet Apple... Winona! Where did you get her?”
>As much as I want to, I can’t stick around for one last goodbye. I’ve already risked my identity being discovered by staying here so long.
Then why doesn’t she just let Rainbow Dash take Winona to Sweet Apple Acres?

>Just as they were about to gallop through the doorway leading out, a giant boulder into it, barely missing them.
Obvious.

And then Rainbow Dash gets to meet Daring Do, for no particular reason other than because you can.

All I have to say is this: good story idea, but it needs some hard work and love from you if you expect people to read it for fun, especially me.

Focus on trimming away all the extra stuff that is slowing the story down, and really try and keep the flow going. And for the love of daisies, stop being so contrived.
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Let the par-tay begin!
>> No. 105699
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http://derpy.me/MintyQueue
>> No. 105704
This thread confuses me greatly...
>> No. 105712
>>105699

I'd love too, really. You seem like an outstanding reviewer, and I need that kind of nitty-gritty-critty-sizzum for my work, I think (that was intentional, don't judge me). But the teeny fraction of my story that I've written so far just isn't up to my own standards yet - so there's no way it'd be up to yours.

I'll give you this free bump, though. I like your thread.

*returns to lurk mode*
>> No. 105719
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Man, am I getting ideas left and right this week!

Anyway, as soon as I'm done with this one, Minty, I'll post it here. It'll probably be done tomorrow, though I'm not entirely sure the exact time frame.

But patience is a virtue, after all.
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105722
http://derpy.me/MintyQueue

>>105704
What's to understand? There is an empty queue, so we dance.
If the Queue isn't empty, I don't read for enjoyment. There's reading, and re-reading, and re-reading. The coordinating with collaborators, way too much debate about things that are problematic. There's a whole lot of work put into each of these things and the ones that look easiest are usually furthest from it.

>>105712
>>105719
Just submit it when it's done. Rome wasn't built in a day, so don't worry about arbitrary time limitations.
>> No. 105730
>>105722
Be patient if you want, but if my first chapter is any indication, I have another 585k words to write. This could take a while...
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>>105722
>There is an empty queue, so we dance.
Another empty queue dance party?
I'm in.
>> No. 105750
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>>105696

I was going to say I didn't have anything to say, but that'd be a lie. I read reviews backwards, so here's what I want to contradict:

> And then Rainbow Dash gets to meet Daring Do, for no particular reason other than because you can.
It's irony. I wanted it to happen because it sounds a hell of a lot better than, "And Daring escaped, then headed back to Canterlot." She has to stop by Ponyville anyways and it is a plausible situation.

> Then why doesn’t she just let Rainbow Dash take Winona to Sweet Apple Acres?
Would you give a dog to someone you just met? Okay, let me rephrase that: You're out for a walk, you find a lost dog, but he has a collar. You're in looking around for the said house when someone walks up to you and says, "Hey, I know that dog! Here, let me take him home." You can guess that he lives in the town and he seems friendly. Do you give him the dog? I sure as hell wouldn't.

> Why isn’t she bucking them all to dust, then?
Because removing coffin lids is a pain in the ass. I also do believe I actually point out that they have lids on them.

> That is so cold! Daring Do’s Saddest Adventure? Hah! It sounds like she barely cared for him at all
I'll work on that. I was going for a, I'll miss you, but I'm still not exactly safe. There'll be time for for heartfelt reflections later.

> this whole line is based on the assumption that she can’t fly
And then I point out why she can't fly a few lines later. But I'll try to give her a better reason.

> I might have enjoyed this.
Yeah, thanks. Not that this is a big fuck you or anything... that's like saying, "your ideas are good, but you're a shitty author." Thanks, but leave it for the end.

> an understand that maybe you want to try and share how vivid and detailed the story is in your head
Or I've had stories where I go to one reviewer and they say, "Good job, but you need to add detail." and then I go to a different reviewer and they say, "Good job, but you have too much detail." There's a fine balance and it can be hard to find.

> , I guess I’ll have to explain it to you, since you sound like a pretty dull pony.
Or your way of saying that I'm several cans short of a six pack. Thanks.

> You should be thankful for all the hard work I did.
You say this as if I had come in expecting you to point out every little thing or to baby me through this. Fuck off, I asked no such thing.

Well, there we go: just me pointing out the things I think you misjudged.

I would have liked this review... if it weren't for your reviewing style. Seriously, I have comments enabled for a reason. I don't expect you to fill the doc, I don't expect you to point out every single mistake. But it would have been nice if you had taken advantage of this convenience. I found Seattle's review of one of my stories far more helpful and I strongly dislike him.

Thanks for your time though.
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>>105750
Let it never be said that I'm infallible, or that I can't take criticism. The joke behind posting a Silver Spoon picture with that review was that you were going to get a review from a brat, and that the nonconstructive criticism shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

Still, when something like that falls flat, it's not the reviewee who made the mistake. Besides, you probably deserved an actual review rather than a half-joke one. As way of amends, I'll counter-point and follow-up without putting on an act.

>It's irony. I wanted it to happen because it sounds a hell of a lot better than, "And Daring escaped, then headed back to Canterlot." She has to stop by Ponyville anyways and it is a plausible situation.
That's acceptable.

>Do you give him the dog? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Also a fair point. Now, I would like point out that this is Equestria, and I imagine that ponies do have a sort of mutual trust and love thing going on, but that's probably just me. My point is, I guess I found the action of "entering Ponyville for an extended period of time" to be strongly at odds with "must protect my identity and return to Canterlot." Since both points are pretty reasonable, my suggestion would be to maybe re-phrase the latter, or even better, giving some indication prior that she is rushing.

Or maybe I just took it the wrong way - very possible.

>Because removing coffin lids is a pain in the ass. I also do believe I actually point out that they have lids on them.
I didn't think that removing the lids was that much of an obstacle, to be honest. The mention about pre-emptive strikes got me thinking along that line, so maybe you should remove or rephrase it?

>I'll work on that. I was going for a, I'll miss you, but I'm still not exactly safe. There'll be time for for heartfelt reflections later.
That's what I thought you were going for, but the way she shrugged and then said that combined to leave a foul taste in my mouth.

>And then I point out why she can't fly a few lines later. But I'll try to give her a better reason.
It's the fact that you do it in that order that's my issue. You raise the question "Why can't Daring just fly?" and then answer it.

>I might have enjoyed this.
Being a brat, please ignore. In terms of honesty, I didn't really enjoy it either, but in the sense that it never really grabbed me. I might have continued reading for idle entertainment, or something else could have attracted my attention. I guess it does go back to the two points I mentioned, even if I did so in a harsh way. I wanted to get close and caught up in the story, but I kept getting bogged down by the details.

>There's a fine balance and it can be hard to find.
You're absolutely right, and I have no idea how to tell you what that balance is. Hell, if you find it, tell me. Tell everyone!

Now, on second-look, I should say that I have a better solution. The story is 3rd person limited, but it doesn't read like it at all. I know that Winona is yipping and jumping around, but I don't know how Daring Do feels about it. In terms of a solution to your problem, using Daring's perspective would make all those details juicy and interesting. How's that sound?

>I guess I’ll have to explain it to you, since you sound like a pretty dull pony.
Being a snotty brat, ignore.

>You say this as if I had come in expecting you to point out every little thing or to baby me through this. Fuck off, I asked no such thing.
Same as above.

Damning thing there, reading it backwards like that. I basically toned the kiddy-cruelty down beyond that initial section, so hitting it in reverse must have been a shock.

>Well, there we go: just me pointing out the things I think you misjudged.
And I thank you for it.

>I would have liked this review... if it weren't for your reviewing style.
You're a wise-donkey, and I like that.

>Seriously, I have comments enabled for a reason.
If I had know that's what you wanted, then I gladly would have done so. If you'd like, I'll extend the review and continue on to commenting and leave the dickishness behind.
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>>105759

> If you'd like, I'll extend the review and continue on to commenting and leave the dickishness behind.
That would be much appreciated. I'd rather work with you than hurl insults at each other.
>> No. 105829
Title: Super Mario Galaxy: Equestrian Stars

Tags: Comedy, Adventure, Crossover, Sci-Fi

Synopsis: Mario continues his adventure to collect the power stars to stop the Koopa King from taking over the Universe. His journey takes him to the world of Equestria where he will find unique challenges and make a few new friends. Mario's arrival in Equestria will spark an adventure his new friends will never forget.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bN-eAazci7sCIxuCknZ8KpBozmlbVLXuFQt2TTEwdmI/edit

I know you suggested working sending my first chapter to TTG group and that one is still in the waiting line. Which looking at their schedule might be a while. So while I wait, would you mind looking over chapter 4? Just the general points of fixing grammer errors, character interactions, and other problems you might find. Thanks for your time.

English is native language.

Words: 3,629
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Dropped this off in GV's thread, but it looks like he's quite busy at the moment, and I would like for this to have a look-over before I post it.

Title: Flying High, Falling Hard
Tags: [Romance] [Drama]
Synopsis: Dash crashes into the Library unannounced again. Twilight, fed up with this happening so often, sticks her nose into Dash's training and winds up helping her train for the upcoming Best Young Flier Competition.
Chapter 1 (3,500 words): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Od3VVS4W3MlJxczTjaQJseEkHy-hHvtYwtg_yF4_iZE/edit
Chapter 2 (3,140 words): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1psaNFAoH9MlmoL6VWqeMT_Rz-jqZbGsRNERnctECX4E/edit
Chapter 3 (4,047 words): https://docs.google.com/document/d/12QPy75dB_F6kZrL0TzNlIv3hspyVRyzPeuYJ9Ms8s04/edit

The third chapter isn't really required reading considering the length of the other two, but if you find yourself with free time...

I'm trying to post this along with a horrendous amount of edits to my 75k fic by sometime next week.

If I had to say something I'd like scrutinized in particular, it would be the action sequence at the beginning of chapter one.
>> No. 106157
Title: The Eighth Passenger
Tags: [parody][sci-fi]
Summary: Parody of the 1979 science-fiction horror film "Alien". Follows the plot and setting of the film. However, the protagonists of FiM (and Derpy), along with their associated characterizations, replace the film's cast and that drives the parody.
Language: English (American)

Work-in-progress, currently at 4 chapters with a word count of 25,459 (about 6,300 words per chapter.) Based on progress so far, the final story would probably have about 8 or 9 chapters.

Google Docs link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x2jAsQbJaXEDKAoOHcrgJZyvsgqWjtHsiHJBqJwo_1c/edit

As per the recommendations from EqD, I'm looking for a review of my in-progress fiction, as the pre-reader corps there simply doesn't have the time to give every fic dedicated, thorough feedback.

To give some details of myself and understand where I am coming from:
I am NOT a writer, as in, I don't consider writing my craft and have no aspirations for it. I DO write from time to time as hobby entertainment. It's something I've done for a long time, but always as an enjoyable pastime. When I've experimented in the past, I discovered that I don't have the drive or passion of a dedicated writer. I write for entertainment in the same way most people play a video game for entertainment.

The main effect this probably has is that my writing manifests weakly from a technical standpoint since I don't study the in's and out's of writing. What's more, it means I don't "have an eye" for good, critical self-analysis. And as far as the EqD feedback goes, that was a big concern.

Despite all this, I am interested in feedback. I don't dream of making it big as a writer at all, but that shouldn't be misconstrued as a lack of interest in feedback. Doing things like uploading writing to the internet, submitting it to EqD, etc., are all done because they're complimentary; there's no harm in trying and I'm not out anything if I fail (not even pride really, since it's hobby entertainment.) The absence of drive just means I really lack the ability to foresee where I can carry things. I could receive the most incredible feedback in the world and maybe it would help me. Or maybe it wouldn't. There's no way to know without trying, and I can't see it being NOT entertaining to at least try.

Thank you for your consideration and time!

- Zurock
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Super Mario Galaxy: Equestrian Stars: Processing. Processing.
Flying High, Falling Hard & The Eighth Passenger: In Queue
Switch: In Queue as well.

That said, expect some delays, as summer is my busy season, so I will be slower than I would like. Plus side projects, things are significantly behind projections.

>>106157
First and foremost, where's your crossover tag?
Secondly, you do know 'Find X, Replace $pony' fics have the greater scrutiny of competing with both existing canons? It's really hard to get those onto EqD because of the high bar that's set. You have to bring something new and interesting to the table, and you're already competing for a limited amount of attention.
On a glance you seem to be very established with the literary structure, so I have to assume it's a plotting issue going on here. So I'll have more info about that when I get there.
>> No. 106204
>>106195
er, right. Speaking of tags, I should mention my fic is [alternate universe]. It didn't diverge from canon until chapter 8 before this rewrite. One of the reasons I rewrote this the way I did was to have the beginning tie in more to the rest of the story.
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Greetings.

Hey Minty, I rewrote chapter 1,3 after having difficulties due to my work squedule. You can read it in the following link. I don't want you to review it, just dropping it here.

Here is the table of content document.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y5Keh1genoaiZ4HKbF8sJMid7xHLG8Gk3kIp2TY56cI/edit

With Regards
TheGreekDollmaker
>> No. 106239
>>104134
Title: I Forgot I Was There
Summary:
When Twilight receives one of the original journals of Starswirl the Bearded from Princess Luna, she can’t wait to try the spells inside it – but the books magic turns out to be a bit more then Twilight can handle, as her reckless experimentation leads to her accidentally bringing her reflection to life. At first, Twilight decides she quite likes the idea of having a copy around the library. But seeing herself from an outside perspective makes Twilight realize there are some parts of her personality she doesn’t care for, forcing her to confront her issues.

Written in the same format as the show, save that it is longer and addresses somewhat sadder themes. No objectionable content or OC characters, focuses heavily on the mane cast.

Link to Work: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1at6_3FdiCfuUVLPgbuUPFlj3EGxge9U4vPj96OD9spw
Native Language: English
Word Count: Approx 7000 per chapter, 3 chapters. Would be happy with a review of just the first though.

Special: This story was already submitted to EQD, and got the response, quote: "An enjoyable and funny story is ultimately ruined by your sordid love affair with bad grammar." I've done my best to clean it up since then, but as I'm fairly dyslexic, I'm quite certain I haven't gotten it all. I'm really looking for help with editing.
>> No. 106243
>>106195

Re: [crossover] tag. Forgot it. Apologies.

Re: Stories based on existing stories. That's no problem. Like I mentioned before, I'm not doing this for recognition, or competition, or getting an audience, or anything. Nothing except the fun of doing it for itself. On that front, even though the story isn't finished, I've gotten 100% of everything I've wanted out of it. I'm having a blast writing it. Doing things like uploading it to the internet, submitting it to EqD, etc... these things are all BONUS. They take no effort for me to do, and I'm unaffected whether they succeed or fail. I'll do them because, "why not?" If the story doesn't make EqD then, hey, no skin off my back. While my position on writing hurts me in technical areas, it affords me a lot of lackadaisy aloofness.

Coincidentally, I actually had an interesting discussion with the EqD pre-readers on this topic, mostly focusing on the nature of their site's copy-paste rule. Their rule, as written, implies rejecting stories that only work by actual copy-pasting but they maintain it's much broader. Their assessment on the The Eighth Passenger was that it squeaks past the rule by virtue of explicitly being a parody and trying for something different than the original horror/tension of the film "Alien".

Re: Feedback. The EqD folks had some interesting things to say about the story, so I can provide you with their feedback if you'd like to hear their opinions. Or if you want to make your own assessment first, that's fine too.

Thanks for you time.

- Zurock
>> No. 106245
>>106195
*gulp* Processing it huh?
>> No. 106269
Title: School Shy
Tags: Slice of Life
Summary: Fluttershy's first days at school
Characters: Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Spitfire, OC
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/19501/School-Shy

Thank you for your time
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> Post saying that time will be limited
More fics in queue. I warned everybody.

http://derpy.me/MintyQueue
>> No. 106292
>>106269
oops
4000 words for the first chapter, 2000 for the second, 3000 for the third
English
>> No. 106293
>>106239
I would like to amend that, in compliance with Rule 4, I have requested a TTG review of my story. Apologies!
>> No. 106301
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I can't help but zone out towards the end of this fic. The sentence structure needs color and life. You need to use commas, as there are entire paragraphs made of tangentially related short statements. The small sentences are dry and slow down pacing, and make the story much harder to read than it should be.
I'm saying you need to add some purple, because while your sentences are functional, they're not fun to read.

> A white picket fence was around them with a shallow stream of water floawing around that.
Flowing? That's kind of a clear spell check error.

Here you go: http://auto-reviewer.appspot.com/
It's an app, where you can paste your story in, and it checks for common errors.
Just running that you seem to have six “You have an extra space here" errors, and a whole assortment of "This should have some sort of speaking verb" and "Dialogue attribution should not be capitalised or period error"

It's not a perfect program, but it's a start. And it'll point you in the right direction.

> Rarity did not move her gaze, “Go, right ahead. I think I just want to stare at this for a little while longer. It is so beautiful.”

This is an opinion statement on my part, but you need to make Rarity flowery here. These sentences are much shorter than I would expect to come out of her upon seeing space for the first time.
Plus, 'did not move (shift?) her gaze', can be more descriptive. And because it lacks how Rarity says it, it doesn't properly connect to the dialogue. If you want to have her take action, then speak, it's technically a different sentence in the same paragraph. So you'd end the action with a period instead of a comma.

> It wasn’t long before Fluttershy found an unusual bunny
I'm going to take this as an advantage in not having played Mario Galaxy, but you never describe how the bunny is unusual. You call it a 'Star Bunny', which makes me think of Luna from PGSM (the live action Sailor Moon Series). Probably not what you want me thinking though.

> The penguin smiled politely. Fluttershy’s eyes grew into Pinkie Pie proportion levels of joy
What do you mean, her eyes grew into joy? Her eyes grew with joy?

> A small squeal of delight was heard by the other ponies.
But earlier you say:
> The rest of the girls went off in different directions to get acquainted with their new surroundings.
This is a contradiction. If it's a small squeal, how could they hear it? If it's loud enough to hear at range, it can't be a small squeal.

> Applejack jumped almost 6 feet in the air.
Perhaps you could describe the thing she actually does, instead of the thing she almost did, but didn't really.

> Her search ended with a strange wooden carving of a weird creature.
And again, I'm thinking of something you didn't intend. This time Gyroids from Animal Crossing. I have no idea what you're trying to use here at all.

> despite being too small to normal be able to do so.
Normally I'm guessing.

> As an avid tinkerer Pinkie Pie loved to play around with machines. It was more of hobby. She was often so busy working or being with friends she often didn’t have time to tinker.
Combine these sentences down into two. You're slowing down an entire paragraph with backstory, with three sentences mostly unrelated to the paragraph subject, Pinkie finding a robot tea party.

> Mario gave a dozen fresh muffins to the tired mail pegasus
I can put up with a great deal of suspension of disbelief, but I need to know how Mario can manifest muffins.
>> No. 106303
>>106301
"SPELL CHECK!!", raises fist angrily into the air.

So make the environment more colorful and describe the alien creatures better. Which should liven up the chapter correct?

Fix some dialogue moments.

Mario is a magic space plumber. I slim the muffin count to one, but I'm not going to explain the magic of hammer space.
>> No. 106387
>>106301
Used the program you suggested, it likes to point out speaking verbs issues a lot. I'm not entirely sure they all need fixing though.
>> No. 106635
I'll roll this on through here. I like getting multiple perspectives on my writing style and stories, so I'll ask you to review this after Seattle's reviews (>>104992, >>106056). Also, if you need help cleaning out the queue, I'd be happy to offer my services.

Title: Ideas Live On
Genre Tags: [Adventure][Sci-fi]
Synopsis: The ancient past of Equestria has always been shrouded in mystery; even the claims from the Princesses don't seem to be consistent with the evidence. The key to the past resides in a map found by a Professor Sparks of Canterlot University; a map of a foreign land called "The United States of America".
Word Count: Prologue: 1067
Chapter 1: 10356
Chapter 2: 5170
Link: Prologue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vsdQP746MCwnZdzPKwf74iwuZxB7nibXmIVCxJ3NB2E/edit
Chaper 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12_e38lqCLpXNtdNaL7hdXHved0IIfE93rQj4KpjOoaE/edit
Chapter 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wWmWRKQTkHn27pO7Cz3Wo4dVWV_BuCQpeqLCZQ83XWE/edit

Grande plan doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qGxT4ZQ16LzgQ5S7QCk71qPFQbS4BL0-UaNuEKMf-mg/edit

Language: English

Of course, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Seattle.

Chapter 1:
How was the pacing? Was it too fast? Too slow?
Did you feel like you were drowned in exposition? Was there not enough explanation?
How was the dialogue? Was it stilted?
How good were the descriptions? Were they out of place? Too purple?

Chapter 2:
How was the action sequence? Was it confusing?
How was the writing during the dogfight with the dragon? Did you get lost or feel like I skipped parts of the action?
Compared to Sparks' action scene in chapter 1, is Spitfire's significantly different?
Did you ever feel that events felt rushed or contrived? Conversely, did you think the ponies skipped around too much?
Was the balance of exposition to action more even this time, or did the chapter feel lopsided?
>> No. 106640
>>106635
While it's understandable there are certain things a writer may be more curious about in their story, these are things that you should, collectively, ask yourself. There's really no point in asking all these things, as they'll get covered in the review. It seems your questions just encompass the entirety of your story, when really it only makes sense to ask one or two in depth things that you've spent a long time battling with yourself over.

Opinions of a passing anon.
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>>106387
That's your call, which is why I'm not going to tell you what to do with it. I'm just point out that it exists and could cause problems.
That said, don't expect everyone to be happy with it. Smearing a floor with peanut butter can still be considered art. In some cases it's an expensive art installation: http://www.geekosystem.com/peanut-butter-platform/
In others I have to keep my nephew out of the cabinets.

>>106635
Dromer, I already said I can't do this one. I've read too many versions of this story, remember? The suitcase? The professor asking fro Twilight's input on the American Civil War? You asked if I thought your time line was believable remember?

If anyone else wants to, they're up for it. But Rule #1.
>> No. 106739
>>106670
Oops. I forgot that I asked for your help with some of the timeline stuff. Sorry. :V

>>106640
The questions aren't there because I want to make sure the reviewer addresses them, they're there to provide a common denominator for every review the chapter receives.

Basically, it's so I can accurately measure a reviewer's opinion of certain aspects of my story relative to other reviews of the same chapter, among other things.
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Heya everypony! It looks like Minty's a teeny bit busy, so I'll lend a helping hoof and begin moving down the queue.

Moony Not-Light (>>105760), your comment-review should be done. Let me know if you have any other questions, okie dokie?

Let's see... first on the guest list is The Eighth Passenger (>>106157), if I'm reading this right. I'll get right on it!

Current guest list: http://derpy.me/MintyQueue

Any new ponies who want to be put on the guest list, be warned! The line's really, really, reeaallly long right now. But don't you worry, everypony, I'll do my very-super-extra-best to get you your reviews soon!
>> No. 108606
Well, I've had a few different people look at this, and I think I'm ready for the big time!

Title: Under A Luminous Sky
Author: Jake The Army Guy
Tags: Dark, Mystery, Thriller
Word Count: 8,000 or so
Synopsis: Tragedy strikes Ponyville when a body is discovered on the outskirts of the Everfree. As the townsponies grieve, an enigmatic stallion arrives at Ponyville Library, dispatched by the Princess herself. When more blood is spilled, Twilight and her friends, along with this strange pony, must work together to solve the puzzle before its too late.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PS9W39Y6e6zbVeXxAHJNrnpLV6hDfa4j39L4-pEpce0/edit

Please, be brutal. I feel like I'm close, but not quite there. Thanks!
>> No. 108607
>>108606
One last thing. The word count is the prologue and two chapters, which is all that there is for now. Would you mind going through the whole thing? Again, thanks for your time! :)
>> No. 108631
I honestly have no idea ho this whole ponychan thing works, but i read the sticky so here is the link to my story:
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/34744/Sisters-At-Heart
uh... i guess that's it... please do review it! i usually just stick to music, so this is my first fic
>> No. 108633
>>108581

Sure, I'll take a peek sometime soon. After I do some other things. Thanks.
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I will be taking Switch.
>> No. 108717
>>108631
Let the slaughter begin.
>> No. 108852
>>108658
Splendid, I look forward to your interest.
>> No. 109265
Title:Pinkie Pie's Phenomenal Ponytech Party

[Comedy] [Humans] [Crossover] [Sci-fi]

Native language: English (British)

Word count: 6302, One-shot

email address: niarro@gmail.com

Synopsis: Battletech (or ‘Mechwarrior’) crossover. In a stunning reversal of several plot devices, our ponies find themselves at humanity's interstellar back doorstep. Having some idea of the ongoing problems humans face when it comes to friendship and harmony, one pony in particular takes it upon herself to throw an introductory party right now. What could be a better idea than to wage party with the help of some multiton war machines the wayward Equestrians have found?

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3y_wEsd5xwhoV8SKO3YiMxJsBgjcRtGI8-X_SeozWI/edit

So yes, this fic's an attempt at being amusing. I've a comment with some thoughts in it, in the document itself. Nothing special there, granted.

I've also posted another instance of this document in the TTG thread in an effort to get more opinions and feedback on it. I'll be eagerly following both threads though, I'm not going anywhere. ^^

Also, out of curiosity, (I haven't seen a legend around for it) what do the colours in your queue document represent?
>> No. 109399
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Title: Sole Survivor

Summary: A good 16 years before the return of Nightmare Moon, another fantastic event occurred in Canterlot. All it took was one human who discovered the secrets of ponies, a zealous guard that would do everything for his country and a Princess who only wanted the wellbeing of her people.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4aib-N78OQmxgtje0wBhxf1yyQGX-LTtELeBwlezW4/edit

Mother tongue: Danish

(Tags: adventure, human, crossover)

Rather than foolishly thinking I could produce anything that could pass Equestria Daily's standards, I have come here for help. Pardon me if the queue is closed.
>> No. 109429
Hello Minty! According to reports, you have been MIA for two weeks! As such, your thread is going to be locked for now to prevent bumping an inactive thread on /fic/

When you get back, you are more than welcome to appeal this thread lock- i will immediately remove it for you.

My e-mail address if Fluttershy@ponychan.net. Just let me know when you'd like your thread unlocked!
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Welcome back, Minty! As requested, your thread has been unlocked ♥
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As myself and my co-anon have no clue where we left off, or who was still around, please give us a hand here. Who is still waiting on a review? We would like to prioritize our lists for maximum efficiency.
>> No. 112171
>>108606
If you would, I'd still like a review!
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>>112171
>>108606

Wow.
That's a really hard sell.

> As the townsponies grieve, an enigmatic stallion arrives at Ponyville Library, dispatched by the Princess herself.
Which Princess? There's two. Well, three counting Cad@ce. Probably more if Prince Blueblood is any indication. But two that I would assume off the top of my head.
> When more blood is spilled, Twilight and her friends, along with this strange pony, must work together to solve the puzzle before its too late.
Two thirds of your synopsis's summary is about a character which you don't name whom I will be referring to as Racer X unless the actual story somehow supersedes this nickname. That's a warning sign. If you're so focused on introducing a new character into the story, I'm kind of wondering if anyone else needs to be there at all.

Plus your tags have an element of redundancy: Dark, Mystery, Thriller
It's a dark mystery thriller I get. But... that's really only Dark once you boil it down. Mystery and Thriller is more of the type of story, which sets a fairly high bar for you to hit, like how Comedies that tell me they're Comedies usually aren't funny. It creates expectations for you to tell me this as a tag, rather than let me infer the story type from the summary.

Of course, now I'm going to open the story.

Wow, guess what's a good way to endear a reader? Did you say 'kill off their favorite background character on screen'? If you did you're an idiot. I'm just saying.

From a story stand point, there's nothing wrong with this. It's just a little bit on the cartoonishly horrible slasher film side. Which directly contradicts the 'Mystery' in that while the who is not revealed to me yet (It's Jason Vorhee's mom who did it!) it's so explicit that most of the 'unknown' factors of the situation have been removed. There's no crime scene, no evidence, or clues for the reader. Only schlock horror instead of mystery.
Let's not even start on the death of Thriller. Mystery Thriller would have been this same lead in with Berry instead drunkenly stumbling onto an existing crime scene. This? This is not a mystery.

>Rainbow, it’s okay. It’s been almost a year since you and Big Macintosh started dating.
That's strike one. I know this is a set up for a pregnancy subplot where Rainbow fights slasher while pregnant, but a little warning next time?

Two chapters in, no OC. What the heck, why is Racer X so important in your synopsis, but does not feel like appearing?

And the official chapter two (three chapters in) is where even my kindness gives out.
I officially don't care.

What is your story about? Because what I read was a misguided slasher film.
Structurally it's fine. Nothing seems horrible, but there's no hook to it. It keeps the reader at an emotional distance by not addressing the issues at hand, instead stopping to describe the grass growing on the edge of the road at every chance it can.

Your prologue defeats your 'mystery' by introducing your murderer, your murder victim, the method of death, and anything that could be interesting based on your promise of a 'Mystery Thriller'.

Your Chapter One defeats the 'thriller' by not being one? You introduce characters with no intent to use them other than to reflect the horrors of war murder, causing none of the events to have permanence for the reader. You jump from Twilight's point of view over to child NPC #1 then back to Twilight for no real reason at all other then to have children wading in blood.
That's really inconsistent to hop consciousness midchapter there.

Your Chapter Two starts with Celestia doing her laundry. Wait, that might have been interesting. Your Chapter Two actually starts with Celestia in a scene I know I've already read. (Rule #1) Which is all set up for Racer X...
Which really should have been the actual Chapter One.
You know, for the mystery? The one you promised and failed to deliver?

So now I'm sitting here boiling with rage.

And it's not the story. The story is fine actually. The synopsis promises a different story.

> Tragedy strikes Ponyville when a body is discovered on the outskirts of the Everfree.
This does not happen until the second chapter. It's not a shock to the reader, and it's never presented from the point of view of anyone who's important to the plot of the story.
> As the townsponies grieve, an enigmatic stallion arrives at Ponyville Library, dispatched by the Princess herself.
This does not happen until some point after Chapter Two. This doesn't seem important enough to the story to be mentioned before the reader starts reading. This isn't important to your prologue at all, and actually defeats any tension you might have built up.
> When more blood is spilled, Twilight and her friends, along with this strange pony, must work together to solve the puzzle before its too late.
This is so far in the future, it's not an issue. No part of this sentence has any sort of pay off in the first 8k words of this story. You could delete this sentence entirely, and it would only improve the delivery of the story.

You promised: Mystery Thriller.
I received: Unfocused Slasher.
I am not a satisfied customer. You can't stay with one character long enough to build a rapport with the reader, I have no reason to follow any of these characters, and your mystery is falling flat because you're not presenting the story to the reader as a mystery.

A mystery would have started from the detectives point of view. Following and growing him as a character, letting the reader learn what he learns.

A slasher fic has the dude in a hockey mask show up, scythe in hand as he butchers running ponies in a dark forest, as they trip, breaking their heel long enough for him to catch up.

Guess which event happens in your story?

So: Okay Slasher Fic.
To make it a Mystery Fic would take work.
>> No. 112198
>>112186
Wow. Ouch. Thanks for your candor.

So, What I get from that... THAT was the synopsis and tags didn't match the story? Okay, I understand that. Actually, that's a very good point. Never thought of that. I can change that.

Also, I know I'm risking a lot killing off Berry Punch. I know she's kind of a "fan favorite", but hell, she's never even had a line of dialogue, as far as I'm tracking. Bon Bon has, Lyra has, and of course Derpy has. Berry Punch? Functional mute. I figured if I'm gonna kill someone we know, which I wanted to because it'd have more impact than a random OC, it'd be safer to use a pony whose never even talked.

Also:
>That's strike one. I know this is a set up for a pregnancy subplot where Rainbow fights slasher while pregnant, but a little warning next time?

Um... no, no its not. A little credit, please. It's going somewhere, trust me. But not there.

But the story itself is "fine" you say? What I'm hearing through the snark is change the synopsis to less focus on the OC, and new tags. How were my mechanics? And show, don't tell issues or grammatical derps?
>> No. 112223
>>112186
Also, just thought of a few things.

Totally Not A Spoiler: Agent Bentgrass is based off of Agent Pendergast, a character from a bunch of novels by my favorite authors, Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child. In most of those novels, Pendergast doesn't show up until a few chapters in. So that's why I figured it'd be okay to introduce him in chapter three. I don't WANT the reader to know everything about him. Part of his appeal is he's a mystery, and we only get little clues along the way, leaving you to put it together just WHO this guy is.

So, what if I nixed the prologue entirely? Just start with Chapter One where the body is found. I'd change it up a little to make it more obvious that it's a body, but would that help with the mystery?

As for the second chapter, I wanted to show why Celestia would take notice of this particular crime. That it's not a normal death, there's something... off about it. Which is why she dispatches the agent. The original synopsis ended with this line: "But sometimes, murder is only the beginning..." This starts as a murder story, but it will take an unexpected turn at one point. That's why I wanted the special agent, not just a cop.

One last thing, I KINDA lied. Rainbow is pregnant, but it's not going to go the way you said. I want it to be a reveal in a way. Can you suggest a way to hint at it without it being so obvious?

Also, I apologize for my minor case of butt hurt earlier. And I figured that if EqD said they'd count this as a new story, so would you. I DO appreciate the time, brother.
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>>Pic Unrelated

Hi Minty!
I got one I've been working on now for several months. I've been re-wording and proofreading it by myself and a grammar/spelling check from a friend, but I'm not sure if the story "flows" right yet. Would like some outside opinions (you! :D) on this.

I would also like to say right now that it's incomplete, yet still quite lengthy. Please don't be discouraged by this, though!

Title: Tale of the Nether Drake
Tags: [Adventure] [Alternate Universe] [Romance] (More tags will come in the future)
Words: 47,497 (6 chapters including Prologue)
Native Language: English
Summary: When two strangers arrive in Ponyville, the mane 6 and Spike go on a quest to help their new friends in doing right in the world. But what they don't know is that their quest will change the fate of both their world, and a world they never knew existed.


(I read over the OP several times, so I really hope I didn't miss anything!)
>> No. 112238
>>112235
Yeah, i did forget something. (insert FUUUU- here)

The story link!
Here's the Prologue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gQEPSa_4ToC9iz7eFtbrVWEFXdLNqEaM7v09COqL2jU/edit
The following chapters are linked at the end of each chapter.
>> No. 112242
Title: Ride of the Valkyries
Summary: Rainbow Dash, Major of the Valkyrie Squadron, Has just suffered several casualties against the aerial Changeling army. Now, she must face an inquiry to discuss the circumstances of the battle. Can she maintain her composure while reliving the deaths of her friends?
Tags: War, Tragedy
Link: http://www.ponyfictionarchive.net/viewstory.php?sid=1263
Language: English
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>>112198
> So, What I get from that... THAT was the synopsis and tags didn't match the story?
People miss that more than you would think. You come up with a great synopsis of a story, and you start writing... Then you're so busy writing you don't notice that your synopsis doesn't really apply to the story any more. You end up writing what's natural, and that's not always what you started off writing.
This is a problem, because people who are reading the story, read it because of the summary. They come in with expectations. Expectations that keep people from reading, expectations that upset people when they're reading the wrong thing.

> I figured if I'm gonna kill someone we know, which I wanted to because it'd have more impact than a random OC, it'd be safer to use a pony whose never even talked.
Cassandra Cain is still my favorite Batgirl. Even with the way DC shipped China girl off to China to be extra Chinese Batman. Also New 52, but that's an entirely different conversation. Regardless, everypony is somepony's favorite.
Yes, even Pip.

> But the story itself is "fine" you say? What I'm hearing through the snark is change the synopsis to less focus on the OC, and new tags.
Yes. The story as presented is fine.
You could tighten up the story. Focus on one character's per chapter. You do it well with the Prologue's focus on Berry. Chapter One works focused on Twilight. The aside into a school child is mildly disorienting but not the end of the world. Chapter Two works focused on Celestia, though it becomes odd when the Point of View 'Ball' is suddenly passed to Lieutenant Skinner out of no where.
If the story can remain tight on people's point of view of the events it can remain interesting.

> How were my mechanics? And show, don't tell issues or grammatical derps?
Hi! Have you looked at my thread at all? ^^
If there was a grammatical derp I noticed, I would have told you. And because of the way I read it, "show, don't tell" is not a thing I'm often going to say. It can happen, but I'm reading your story, getting emotionally attached to the story it presents.
Emotionally, it's hard to get the hook in. The story your synopsis sold me on was a murder mystery with potential for escalating horror.
The story I ended up reading was a slasher fic with potential for demonic cultism. That conflict made it harder to get into the story than anything else. All the technicals seem to be there, but the mystery just wasn't there.

http://fictionwriting.about.com/od/genrefiction/tp/mysteryrules.htm - Ten Rules for writing mystery
2. Introduce both the detective and the culprit early on.
Three chapters in: The crime is introduced in gorific detail. The culprit is a shadowy figure. And you spend two chapters on ponies being horrified. You have not introduced your detective, and while you haven't defined the culprit, I'm going to be sorely disappointed when it isn't one of the main background ponies as well.
6. The detective should solve the case using only rational and scientific methods.
Keep in mind please. Magic may make you think you don't need to explain shit, but mystery readers hate that. The reader is trying to figure out the case as well. So giving evidence off screen is a no-no.

> Pendergast doesn't show up until a few chapters in. So that's why I figured it'd be okay to introduce him in chapter three.
That's not specifically a problem. But map out your content delivery so far.
Your prologue is the murder from the victim's point of view. The first chapter a reader goes through is the gorey death of a beloved character.
Your Chapter One (the second thing people will read), is an average day in Ponyville, marred by horror. This is also perfectly acceptable as a writing technique and content delivery style.
Your Chapter Two (the third thing people are expected to read), is yet again an average day in Canterlot, marred by horror. At this point, as a reader, I think you're dragging your feet. You're taking time off from telling the story I wanted to read, to instead build up some unrelated plot. It's frustrating that you're not even touching on the OC Mary Sue Mystery Thriller so I can read about Jet Set and Luna having a legal dispute, and what sort of vacation the head of the RIS likes to take with his wife. I came for a story, and you're slacking. And if you're slacking at starting the story off, how often will you slack off midstory to keep the plot from advancing at a reasonable pace?
Are you just trying to inflate this to a 50 chapter epic that will never complete?
If Chapter Two started with more 'urgancy' related to the end of Chapter One, it wouldn't be a problem. But a good portion of the chapter is dedicated to Celestia being actively bored.

> Part of his appeal is he's a mystery, and we only get little clues along the way, leaving you to put it together just WHO this guy is.
So he's more of a mystery than your murder plot?
He sounds like a character well written. You don't have to tell the reader everything about him, he's the glass through which the reader views the situation. We're going to be taking him apart along the way as well, trust me. You don't have to spell him out.
That said, it might be nice to get his name eventually.

> So, what if I nixed the prologue entirely? Just start with Chapter One where the body is found. I'd change it up a little to make it more obvious that it's a body, but would that help with the mystery?
Surprisingly, as much as I like prologues, yes. There would be less schlock horror and less time until the government actually does something. Getting to the detective is slightly more important in this story than detailing how not drunk she was when she stumbled into the forest.

> Can you suggest a way to hint at it without it being so obvious?
What's wrong with it being obvious? You paired the fact that she's wracked with morning sickness and that she's been nailing Big Mac for months to prove how not gay she is. Your synopsis told me to come in with my detective goggles on, and it'll be really hard to hide that combination from most readers.
... Most competent readers.

So yes, the story is well written, but the tags and synopsis conflict with the story itself. If you're going more slasher/thriller drop the mystery from the synopsis. If you're trying to go more mystery/thiller change the way you introduce information and get the special agent involved sooner. The importance given to the OC in the summary should have some sort of pay off before it seems like you're planning on writing this for the next decade.

http://derpy.me/MintyQueue - Will be updated shortly.
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>>112235
Did you let anyone else read this yet? Because no part of your opening post doesn't horrify me.
And no, that's the proper use of double negative for emphasis.

Oh, and while skimming I hit this line: “Hey, you guys are leaving?” Rainbow Dash asked as she floated over, accompanied by Twilight Sparkle, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rarity, and Spike.
That's practically grounds for automooning right there. You did read the OP, right?
If allegedly main characters are there to be scenery, I will most likely be coming at you with more rage than I think you can handle. You should almost never have the characters people are reading fanfic for in the first place moving as a single formless mass. Unless it's some sort of melty/absorbtion fetish fic, in which case, ew.


>>>Pic Unrelated
Considering your prologue seems focused on Spike? I find this a questionable statement.

> Hi Minty!
Hi?
> I got one I've been working on now for several months. I've been re-wording and proofreading it by myself and a grammar/spelling check from a friend, but I'm not sure if the story "flows" right yet.
> Would like some outside opinions (you! :D) on this.
> I would also like to say right now that it's incomplete, yet still quite lengthy. Please don't be discouraged by this, though!
Oh, I plan to be discouraged much earlier than the point you're currently writing at, so don't worry so much about that.

> Title: Tale of the Nether Drake
That's it? Kind of... Flat actually. I was expecting something less... WoWish?

> Words: 47,497 (6 chapters including Prologue)
50k words at about 250-300 words per page is: 166-200 pages of fanfic. You do know this, right? OC focused, dragon centered, My Little Pony fanfic.

> Tags: [Adventure] [Alternate Universe] [Romance] (More tags will come in the future)
At 50k words in, you should probably be WORKING TOWARDS THE END OF THINE PLOT. You should have your tags in play and announced, not dangling unknown future tags at the reader.
Tags are reasons NOT to read your story, not cute annotations that you can change on whim. If your idea of Comedy is [Random], I want to know this before I open your story, not when you decide to add it midchapter twenty-seven.
> Native Language: English
> Summary: When two strangers arrive in Ponyville, the mane 6 and Spike go on a quest to help their new friends in doing right in the world. But what they don't know is that their quest will change the fate of both their world, and a world they never knew existed.
You mean the mane six right? Because mixing simple numerics and prose is tacky.

I'm not sure what you wanted me to read from this summary. What I read is:
Two Original Characters show up, probably dragons, and become the main cast's best friends. Spike is also probably Dragon Jesus. Magic stuff happens, blah blah end of the world, savior of two worlds yawn.
Also shipping.

And an AU tag so you can ignore any canon that disagrees with you.
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>>112251
You could combine what you have as chapters one and two into a single first chapter.
You already have no issues trying to stick to a single character per chapter, and both chapters convey the same sort of information. This lets the reader find out about the detective faster, and get to the mystery part of the story sooner.
>> No. 112290
I don't want a review, but I would like to share this with you mostly because you reviewed the first draft that I did.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UhLH7DeX5d44z_WpsSI2K9dyYhKHgp8FlOhwEuleZD8/edit?pli=1

I'm still sending it through another round of reviewing at TTG for any nick-picking that needs to be done.
Thank you for helping me with this process. You were my first...
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>>112253
>Did you let anyone else read this yet? Because no part of your opening post doesn't horrify me.
And no, that's the proper use of double negative for emphasis.
Yes... a few people have. And how does it horrify you? I don't quite understand.

>Automooning
What's that mean? I can't assume it means anything good... and yes I did read the OP, but I'm not including the whole mane six as "the primary" characters.
They come along because that's how the story happens, really. Though the focus is primarily on a few characters, they all have roles to play and aid in what happens and where. Though at some points it may just seem like they are a moving mass, throughout the story they all play a key role in multiple areas.
I did read the OP though, and I was worried specifically that you would bring that stuff up... sigh.

>Considering your prologue seems focused on Spike? I find this a questionable statement.
I thought of that too right after I hit the reply button.

>That's it? Kind of... Flat actually. I was expecting something less... WoWish?
I don't get how that title sounds flat. I asked a few people what they thought of it and they said it sounded interesting.
and WoW? Really? Why does everyone keep assuming it's a WoW crossover? D: It has nothing to do with WoW, and I've actually never played WoW, so I'm probably inadvertently making it sound a lot like a really common theme or creature in WoW.

>50k words at about 250-300 words per page is: 166-200 pages of fanfic. You do know this, right? OC focused, dragon centered, My Little Pony fanfic.
Yes... I've read multiple stories in the past that had OC's as either the primary focus of the story, whether it be just OC's or OC + canon, and I enjoyed them thoroughly. I'm trying to do the same here, bringing up reasonable character development with the OC's I put in.
>dragon centered
But there's only 2 dragons of real significance... Spike and one of the OC's.

>At 50k words in, you should probably be WORKING TOWARDS THE END OF THINE PLOT. You should have your tags in play and announced, not dangling unknown future tags at the reader.
Tags are reasons NOT to read your story, not cute annotations that you can change on whim. If your idea of Comedy is [Random], I want to know this before I open your story, not when you decide to add it midchapter twenty-seven.
Alright, I should add all the tags that will be available in the story even if I haven't added teh relevent areas in that... you're right. I was kinda goin back and forth on that, but I will do the adding it all now. Thanks.
(btw, all the tags are: [Tragedy] [Dark] [Romance] [Adventure] [Alternate Universe])

>Two Original Characters show up, probably dragons
Where do you get the idea that they're both dragons from?
>and become the main cast's best friends.
One of them just becomes a friend, but the mane cast sorta hate the second one. For good reason too.
>Spike is also probably Dragon Jesus. Magic stuff happens, blah blah end of the world, savior of two worlds yawn.
Lol dragon jesus... but no. Again, where do you assume this stuff? I'm being serious, I wanna know so I can figure out what to change.
And while a lot of stuff does happen, some magic, a lot of it isn't just because of spike. A lot of stuff just happens to Spike, and he has to switch from bearing through it, to eventually overcoming it and turning everything around.

>And an AU tag so you can ignore any canon that disagrees with you.
Not necessarily... I believe I've tied the back plot of this story in considerably well with the current canon.


All in all, I'm kinda dissapointed in myself, knowing that I didn't even get a review of the fic itself, but just the information I put down on this here thread. Yoiks... well, I was looking for things to change, at least I got some!
But I would like your help in knowing, or at least getting a good idea of what I should change. It's obvious that you didn't really read any of the fic (you did say you just skimmed through it, so I'm assuming you gathered pretty much nothing of the plot), so I would like a bit of help with that at if you could. AT LEAST with the prologue... that's what I've been killing myself over trying to make as good as it can be.

Do you think you could offer a bit more help? I'm sorry if this sorta seems like a joke to you, but you've seen the word count I'm sure. I'm putting a lot of effort into this.
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>>112314
> All in all, I'm kinda dissapointed in myself, knowing that I didn't even get a review of the fic itself,
You got a pre-review. This was just the stuff I was picking up in impressions when I was doing my normal set up for a more in depth review.
You're still going to get a review, you haven't been rejected. I just had a number of issues come up when I was skimming the work.

> Though the focus is primarily on a few characters
One of the things that is really upsetting to me as a reader is forcing characters into scenes that they have little or no reason to be there.
Having Fluttershy show up to deliver a single line of dialog to confirm that she's there is really, really infuriating.
If the characters don't have a reason to be somewhere, don't put them there. Every character should have some motivation behind their actions, even if they just want to get a glass of water.

> Again, where do you assume this stuff?
Summary: When two strangers arrive in Ponyville, the mane 6 and Spike go on a quest to help their new friends in doing right in the world.
New friends. Plural. This means more than one, when you've introduced two new characters.

- When Two Strangers arrive
- Main Six and Spike help them
- They consider them friends

You say a whole lot in that one little sentence.

> Pic related. A WoW grade Nether Drake
>> No. 112347
>>112325
>You're still going to get a review, you haven't been rejected
Oh, okay... thank goodness.

>Having Fluttershy show up to deliver a single line of dialog to confirm that she's there is really, really infuriating.
Perhaps it would be better then if I simply cut her out entirely, or just put something of meaning behind it? Like saying a line, but then putting like something happening or the group considering an idea spawned by what Fluttershy said? Something along those lines perhaps?

>- When Two Strangers arrive
>- Main Six and Spike help them
>- They consider them friends
Right, I got that part. But you talked about Spike being dragon jesus and stuff of the sort so I kinda got confused on that.
>> No. 112348
>>112325
Oh... and that nether drake looks nothing like what I had imagined. I just picked the term "nether" because that's the name of the alternate dimension... so it's a Drake, from the Nether.
>> No. 112396
>>112242
I forgot to mention, the word count is 8391.
>> No. 112668
Been looking over your reviews sir and your blunt honesty is both hilarious and very constructive. I'd be honored if your could take the time to tear my fic a new one as well.

Title: The Sky Whispers
Work Count: 7372
Tags: Adventure, Dark
link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1osDt_R-CgcAxoT3Y5rXeAtZC3ZrP8E65hzrFDm12Evk/edit

Summary: Why are there hardly any earth ponies among the royal guards? Blessed with neither wing nor magic, earth ponies seem to play a somewhat marginalized role in modern Equestrian society. Though some rise to prominence as pop culture icons, most find themselves in agricultural or menial blue collar positions.

Yet 1,000 years before FiM, in a time before Princess Celestia or Luna, earth ponies were the preeminent power of Equestria. Their vast armies reigned supreme on land, and their mighty airship fleets dominated the skies. After six years of bloody war, earth ponies were on the brink of total victory against the unicorn and pegasi.

This story chronicles the fall of the ancient earth pony civilizations, seen from the eyes of a fighter pilot caught in the middle of Equestria’s final war.
>> No. 112754
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Hello Minty! I offer my story "From the Mouths of Fillies" for review on your thread. My goal is to secure this story in the Pony Fiction Vault, and as such I ask for extreme attention to detail. This story needs to be as perfect as it can get before I make the submission, so crucify this story wherever it needs it.

[Title]: From the Mouths of Fillies
[Synopsis]: Not everything is as it seems when Dinky visits her mother at the hospital.
[Tags]: Sad
[Link]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c-EbYZHvtDFo8CfWLDunSplPB1LqM1G5YcgCW9iIv2A/edit
[Native Language]: American English

Thank you in advance for your time and effort!

Comma-Kazie
>> No. 113002
>>112754
Forgot the word count. My apologies.

[Word Count]: 3433 words.
>> No. 113042
>>104134
Title: The Rise of Chancellor Puddinghead
Tags: [Normal] [Comedy] [History]
Summary: Smart Cookie is a simple pony, from a family of bakers. Her love of politics draws her into working for a campaign for the title of Chancellor of the Earth ponies. However, when she volunteers to find a running mate, she meets a strange pony with a bowl of pudding for a hat! This is the story of Puddinghead's rise to the top, through the eyes of her secretary and best friend.
Link to prelude: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12rd_R3sSa_r_EEQc0NplqIWTx5ID9wN2B18JDxk54Oo/edit
Link to chapters 1,2 and 3:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yYQmnEKVQRPG2UMoZwGECJ3KJq8kp-HYrK7Pk0ls5Vw/edit
Totaling: 6,916 words at this point

I hope I posted this right. Anyway I've been trying to get this reviewed for awhile. It got a decent reception on FIMfic but I want a real critique before I move on to the next chapter. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU in advance if you do review this.
>> No. 113045
ignore the prelude in my review request post. I copied a previous post so id have the right format and missed that part. Sorry
>> No. 113205
>>113042
and it's american english, forgot that too, sorry
>> No. 113207
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Title: The Elements of Lunacy
Tags: Adventure Comedy (I hate that tag, now I feel it's expected to be side-splittingly hilarious)
Words: 2,111
Description: Princess Luna is sick and tired of her sister lording her 'Elements of Harmony' over her! She is an alicorn too, and she deserves six faithful subjects willing to do things she's seemingly capable of doing, but doesn't feel like doing! So she does what any princess would do; heads into her kingdom in search of a 'mane six' of her very own. She'll show Celestia that just because she's been on the moon for a thousand years, doesn't mean she can't recruit some loyal and steadfast ponies to do her bidding. Though, it may be harder than she originally anticipated.
Link : https://docs.google.com/document/d/10CM1DaSeIcea96gCryMlaqtntnE0N87dnlv7XuDKDDk/edit

Notes: This is only the first chap, and feel free to suggest removal of the comedy tag.
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>>112235
I’m not sure if you noticed, but the first paragraph of your prologue is... disconcerting.
It’s a love letter to a dragon, based on the assumption that I already know what dragons look like. Not to mention starting a story off by describing an OC is a really horrible precedent. It establishes for the reader that you care more about the color of your character’s eyes than the content of his character.

> He was as large as a normal dragon,
So, for reference Spike? How large is ‘normal’? Dragons seem pretty varied from what I’ve seen.

> but did not have any wings,
Spike doesn’t have wings though. So it’s not really a... complete statement. It’s based on the assumption that I know what dragons look like. Steven Magnet maybe?

> and his outer scales were a solid green while his belly scales that ran up and down his midsection were a very light gray.
He has colors, gotcha. And a tail. And... Is any of this important? Any of it? Because you're presenting how he looks as being more important than anything else in this story.

> “Cecil, no, it's not like that!” Celestia called out as she tried to explain herself.
This line is exceptionally weak. Say it out loud over and over again until it becomes silly to you as well. Then figure out how to say it the way you think the Queen of England would say it. Add some gravitas to the sun goddess's first line in your My Little Pony fic.

You spent so much time describing Cecil, the fact you didn’t describe Celestia, Luna, or anything else in this scene stands out as... a major issue.
I mean you didn’t describe anything at all. I don’t know anything about this garden they are standing around in, I know nothing about the gems which apparently were just sitting there, let alone the other dragons that might have been in this garden before this event transpires. But I know how exactly many spikes Cecil has in his tail. Which is important I guess?
Is this Dragon Luna and Celestia? Is Celestia’s hair pink or rainbow? Is Luna the goddess of the night yet? Is she a baby nightmare? Or does she pick that up after being purified by the elements?

So based on the information I need to know when this event takes place, they (Celestia and Luna) don’t seem like the characters I would need them to be for the scene to make sense. Instead they seem like set pieces that only exist for Cecil to yell at. If they’re not reeling in response to something Cecil did or said, they’re not doing anything at all. It makes the whole scene kind of flat.

> but the events of onlya little while ago still played heavily on her heart.
'onlya' is a typo that a spellchecker should have found. That said, it’s also a disturbingly weak. There's nothing descriptive about 'a little while ago'. Even 'a short while' ago seems more apt.

> She was hurting inside, suffering from a pain that gripped on her chest and threatened to squeeze her heart into oblivion.
I don’t normally say this, but you’re telling me how much Celestia is upset by this... thing. That's very dull writing. It might be easier to simply not show the reader this part. As it is, it all comes of very clunky.

>It was such a happy and exciting time back then, though they wished the same were true that time.
You mean currently? ‘that time’ is a bit extremely unclear.

So I'm going to get back to chapter one of this as soon as I have more time free up. But as it is, I personally wouldn't keep reading after this prologue.

You show exceptional reverence to your own characters, Cecil in this case, but a passing disregard for canon characters.
Your Luna is simply in the scene to add color commentary, your Celestia exists to be the voice of the 'greater good'. You can strip every character from this scene other than Celestia and Cecil, and get the same content out of it.

The timing is a bit contrived, and the dialog is really wooden. It combines to fill me with dread regarding the next few chapters. Is this the kind of stuff I have to expect? Chapters that spend more time telling me what shade of mauve a character's feather ruff is, instead of telling an entertaining story?
I really think you should write with less characters for now. Work them together so you don't just have the nameless and faceless 'Royal Pony Sister' mass to play your character off of.

Write the story as if I would like to understand what Luna and Celestia are doing, in addition to your giant warrior dragon you deus ex machina out of existence as your prologue resolution.

Though I could argue that starting your story off with contrived timing, wooden dialog, and a deus ex machina in your prologue would also be a possible reason I wouldn't want to read more.
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First off, the current queue. See also: http://derpy.me/MintyQueue
Ride of the Valkyries, The Elements of Lunacy: In Progress
The Sky Whispers, The Rise of Chancellor Puddinghead, Tale of the Nether Drake Ch1: In Queue

>>112754
> I know what an outlaw is, but I’ve never heard of an inlaw before.
Oh goodie, sickening levels of adorability, check.

> Spike tried to explain to me that she has a can-sir, whatever that is.
That shifting of the earth's gravitational center .003 inches to the right was just me rolling my eyes, sorry about that everyone. Again, the level of adorable in bound is disgusting.

> hanging out with Sweetie Belle and Apple Bloom is always fun—but Rainbow Dash was the coolest.
You're using this punctuation effectively. A little too effectively. It's hard for me to accept both it and that 'can-sir' line combined. You may want to pick something simpler and equally applicable like a comma or even a period. Stay away from the semi-colon for the same reasons. If you want me to think this is a moron kid, stay away from the really complex punctuation.

> but I told her I don’t like books.
Then:
> We’d play Daring Do
Book series... But she doesn't like books? How does that even work?

> she stared at them really long before taking Miss Rarity into the hall.
She stared at them really long what? For a really long time?

> she looked like she was about to blow a raspberry with her tongue halfway out like that.
Her tongue is hanging out? Really? Really? Way to kill an impactful scene. One minute I'm thinking, 'yup, she'd dead' and the next, all I can think of is that you've not seen many corpses in hospitals.
You have Tenderheart come out of the room prior, and no one even covers the body? Last rites? Are these people savages? Do they not find morgues interesting or convenient?

So, because I'm a little emotionally broken, all you earn is rage. A fairly decent sad story, marred by intentional tonal discord throughout, and sunk by a shocking degree of disregard for the dead.

Dinky is an infuriating main character, which is your objective, so I suppose that's fine.
Respect your dead though! You have Derpy suffering from rigor mortis, following what seems to be a heart attack of some sort, with none of the medical professionals around her wanting to touch her for the three or so hours that would take for her to lock up that entirely. Her corpse is left, untouched, sitting in her bed, in her room along with the other normal patents for literally hours, allowing a situation where her moron kid can stumble in on it.

So... Your sad fic, which hinges more on how discordant 'adorable Dinky' is in a cancer fic, is followed up with a very mild ending. This ends up on the pile with the other sad Derpy fics though.
I really thought this would be the summer of Changelings, not Derpy DocuDramas.

Thanks for proving me wrong.
>> No. 113221
>>113219

>Oh goodie, sickening levels of adorability, check.

It's what I was shooting for.

>> but I told her I don’t like books.
>Then:
>> We’d play Daring Do
>Book series... But she doesn't like books? How does that even work?

Tie-in toy lines? Seriously, though, you make a good point, I hadn't thought about it from that angle.

>> she stared at them really long before taking Miss Rarity into the hall.
>She stared at them really long what? For a really long time?

I'd assumed I made that clear already; guess that's what I get for thinking. Will revisit.

>Respect your dead though!

Another fair point. I'll revisit this scene.

> I really thought this would be the summer of Changelings, not Derpy DocuDramas. Thanks for proving me wrong.

You're welcome. Personally, I was tired of the whole changeling schpiel two days after the finale aired. Some people have done it well, many haven't and frak if they all aren't trying.

Thanks again for your input, Minty! I appreciate it.

-Comma-Kazie
>> No. 113309
Ride of the Valkyries has just been freshly revised. I hope it's to your liking.
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>>113309
I'm sure I will! There might be just a teensy-weensy delay, since I sorta maybe have to start the review over, and it's been a little busy what with all the orders, but don't you worry, Pinkie Pie's on the case!
>> No. 113369
Title: An Inevitable Conclusion

Native Language: English

Summary: Almost everypony in Equestria has been killed by a devastating and mysterious event. Ten years on the ex-Cutie Mark Crusaders find a way to travel back in time in an attempt stop the end of the world from ever coming to be, but it's not quite so simple, nopony knows what actually happened.

Meanwhile, a week prior to the destruction of Equestria, an unsuspecting Twilight finds a spell showing her the remaining lifespan of each pony she gazes upon, what she discovers disturbs her to the core.

Nothing is certain apart from this, time is the enemy.

Tags: Sad, Dark, Shipping

Word Count: 10.8k

Link: Just part one, I've written more but the rest hasn't been as edited as this part - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6u83CCM6WnW_NpacJ8Obx6_cHbUKQCmnIcV9qhWCeY/edit
>> No. 113372
Thank you, anonymous. Take your time.
>> No. 113403
Hi, ho. I can see that the queue is getting a bit big, but here's another one for the pile.

Title: Dawn
Tags: [Adventure]
Words: 3,558
Synopsis: Ten years after Celestia's disappearance, the world has changed drastically. A remnant of a bygone age, Luna believes Celestia still lives, and that finding her will cure a decaying world. All Luna needs to do is be ready to become what her sister needs her to be, and go on one last quest...
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16O0Gc3KiDqD8a9-nb43okBK6FaF-p1MV2lHasmGVLnA/edit

If you'd be so kind, Minty, as to tear this a new one, I'd be greatly obliged.

> This is another of the EqD rejection crew, would you like a copy of the rejection letter?
>> No. 113404
>>113403
Oh, yeah. English is my native language.
>> No. 113432
Title: Tail
Tags: [Dark][Sad][Adventure]
Word Count: 10913
Language: American English
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KTs5jrbyrFtNMIF78FIoNWH0oZH2ar2i5Fpb6AjcG7M/edit
Summary:

The alicorns have been struck by a fatal illness, and Twilight and her friends must find the cure: a panacea hidden in the deepest depths of Tartarus. But Tartarus is filled with horrors that would surely break the spirits of almost anypony, even if those spirits happen to be the spirits of harmony. Instead, Twilight and company will need the guidance of several ponies, each of whom have two things in common: they've all crossed paths with the mane six, and none of them ever learn from their mistakes.

Inspired by, but not quite based on, Braid.

Additional Comments: I've completely scoured this thing for any mechanical errors. Here's hoping you don't find too many faults. I appreciate this!
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>>113432
I'm not sure how long your queue is Minty, but I figured I'd warn you, and NumberNine99 as well: I picked this up in the Training Grounds earlier, and plan to work on it tomorrow night, just so we don't cross wires.

I don't know how new you are NumberNine99, but it's courteous around here to tell a reviewer when a story you've posted is also somewhere else. Just so you know.
>> No. 113443
>>113435

Sorry! I am pretty new around here. Thanks for the heads-up.
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>>113207
You're clearly trying for comedy, so no reason to remove the tag. It's just going to be harder to find a good level of humor while you're trying to run an adventure story on top of it.

You're going to have to write at least three more chapters before I'd recommend this to anyone. This fic has enough of my personal gripes with it as it is that you as the author need to have a pacing established to hold my interest even if I did like:
- Trixie, Trixie, Trixie
- Lonely Luna
- Revolutionary Luna
- Drug Humor
- Trixie / Twilight Paralleling

The story is based on a stack of such... worn out concepts. That's not even getting into canon sensibilities, like the potential for Celestia and Luna not having had created the Elements of Harmony in the first place.
Luna and I saw how miserable life was for Earth ponies, Pegasi, and unicorns alike, so after discovering the Elements of Harmony, we combined our powers and rose up against him, turning him to stone
Seeing as discover implies finding the greatest magic known to ponykind, but I'm sure that won't make everyone flip out on you anyways.

Then there's the fact the story hangs so heavily on being in Luna's point of view, it's odd when you use narrative to dictate other character's thoughts and emotions to the reader (like Celestia). It should be fine in a third person omni story, but you have to ask yourself:
Is a story about Luna on a quest best told in third person omni? It removes an element of surprise from the dialog, creates an additional layer of distance between the story and the reader, and a layer of humor when you can just tell the reader:
Celestia joined her sister on the balcony, a bit of sympathy for her sister's plight welling inside her.

though her sister was ready with a valid counter-point.
- Mind you, this is in the paragraph before the counter argument is stated, making it stand out oddly again.

Why three more chapters? Because I can't tell if this is a prologue to a larger story, or if it's just a series of short interludes. There's so many ways you could take a story like this, and only some of them fill me with terror.

Not to mention I'm not sure what Luna's drive is in the story beyond wanting knock off Elements.
You start the chapter with her wanting to go to bed early, then you never really let her sleep. She seems to forget she wanted to in the first place, with no reference or explanation of it.
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Your story starts of with a line that only hurts my brain:

It is one thousand years before the events of Friendship is Magic in a time before Princess Celestia or Princess Luna.
Umm... the events of FiM start with Luna coming back from a one thousand year mystical banishment.
You may want to go back further. Just because of the technological decay seen in FiM. Pic related being what we saw as 'pony society' circa Nightmare Moon Event, one thousand years seems a pretty accelerated time to lose fighter jets and aircraft carriers.

the familiar stench of burnt flesh and cordite.
- Hi! I'm a reader. What's cordite smell like?

My stallions will begin designating targets.
- This part took me a while to figure out just what was bothering me... And it's because of the higher percentages of females in the population. Using only males in warfare is not only wasteful and sexist, it would be rather hard to keep the 'womenfolk' off the battlefield. The preponderance of males in the story adds to the overwhelming issue in this story.

Your story is so into the tech of warfare: How unicorn's magic guns would work. What type of weapons earth ponies would build. Rank designations and yelling down superior officers...

Well, no part of this feels like a my little pony fic. Even the Sonic Rainboom. None. At all.
Your main character has traits that make me flag him for Mary Sue, all your combat groups are male, the first female I notice in your story is an Admiral, who your mane character shouts down if I recall.
You've got rampant death, destruction, and other assorted nastiness, but you're so focused on the war story, it doesn't feel like a pony story in the least.

You tell me they're ponies, but it doesn't read like that. Remove the first sentence (Which I already noted, confuses me), and I don't know how this isn't just a AU MLP story based on a bunch of OCs.

It might as well be. As for your adventure, you didn't really set a hook on it, as again, it's really just a pony war story, set in a period of eternal combat in pre-Equestrian history with heavy tech sentiments.
But it's not really interesting at all. Change the unicorns to mystics, change the pegasi to angels, change the earth ponies to humans, and nothing in your story really changes.

Even the muffin reference.
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>>114131
Thanks for the review! On to some words:
I understand the need for more chaps, right now I was looking more for reactions to the basic idea, so thanks for that.
Actually, I may just remove the adventure tag, as I don't believe they'll be actually going anywhere.
Okay, now some questions for you, senor Minty:

>my personal gripes
Such as? Are these things you simply don't like to see, or are these broader problems that would turn most readers off?

>such worn out concepts
I don't mean to come off as snarky, but are there any not worn out concepts in this fandom? As prolific as the bronies are in regards to fanfiction, wouldn't you be hard pressed to find a completely, 100% original concept involving ponies? (that wasn't a crossover of some kind)

>Luna and I saw how miserable life was for Earth ponies, Pegasi, and unicorns alike, so after discovering the Elements of Harmony, we combined our powers and rose up against him, turning him to stone.

I had forgotten this was canon, so you got me there. However, it'd be pretty unlikely that they'd just find another set of elements, and like you said, I don't think anyone who truly wants to give this fic a shot will be turned off by that little indiscretion.

>Is a story about Luna on a quest best told in third person omni?
I'm not really sure what you're suggesting here. Should some parts of a chapter be presented from Luna's first person, while the rest be 3rd? I guess I need a bit more detail on that, because while it is about Luna wanting her own squad of do-gooders, their struggles to cooperate and work together will also drive the plot, potentially coming into direct competition with Celestia's elements.

As far as Luna's motivation, now that I think about it, I may add a prologue about how some of her subjects are still afraid of her. I think that may give the readers a better understanding of why she wants her own elements in the first place.

Also, I'm glad you liked my Trixie/Twilight parallel, as well as the other shenanigans I threw in there.
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Title: Spike vs the Marmite
Tags: [COMEDY][NORMAL][DARK]
Native language: Swedish

Synopsis:

Spike wakes up one day to find that Twilight is missing. What's worse, the only food in the library is some strange brown sludge. A series of quite unexpected events makes Spike wish he had never set eyes on the horror that is marmite.

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dMpIwXhDjb5YZR37ChhmHtlgqwAJoVwTGw3ody0XGOY/edit
>> No. 114173
I call it Berrywonder.

"What is this place, filled with so many bottles?
More than enough to put me on full throttle.
Rums in the case, and displays full of whiskey
And then the Vodka, that makes me so frisky
Friiiiiiiiisskeeeeeeeeyyyyyy....
Oh, what a magical place
First I'll buy it all, and then I'll get shitfaced
If I knew this store had so much on it's shelf
I'd have come here often, to drown myself
Yes I, love, liiiiiquoooorrrrrrrr stooooooooooores!"
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>>114173
lol
Makes me wonder if Minty drinks at all.
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>>114221
Clearly, not enough.

>>114140
> I may just remove the adventure tag, as I don't believe they'll be actually going anywhere.
Do that, fast. Adventure promises things. If you aren't planning on having that you'll only upset people when it doesn't pan out.

> but are there any not worn out concepts in this fandom?
Worn out? Yes. Are there things that are completely original? Not entirely. But there are concepts that are so reoccurring as to be tiring to read.
Not enjoyable.
Un-fun.
Sickening.

> I'm not really sure what you're suggesting here. Should some parts of a chapter be presented from Luna's first person, while the rest be 3rd?
Based on the type of story you're trying to tell, yes. Or at least third person limited. The bulk of your first chapter focuses tightly on Luna. The random asides into Celestia's mind seem really off.

>Also, I'm glad you liked my Trixie/Twilight parallel, as well as the other shenanigans I threw in there.
Whoops, that's a communication mistake silly lack of commas:

This fic has enough of my personal gripes with it that you, as the author, need to have a solid pacing established before I would commit to reading more. It would be hard to hold my interest, considering the following subject matter makes me want to pull out my hair screaming:
Then you get your Drug Humor, two versions of Luna that have been done into the ground, and Trixie, who I'm still sick of at the moment actually.
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If what the Nether Drake says is true, then not even the Elements of Harmony can save this world. It is all up to the Guardian of the Rethen.

>>112235
Remember back when I unfairly judged your fic based on a light skim and the synopsis? Dragon Jesus Spike and the 'Mane Six' being there for eye candy while your two OC dragons took center stage?

I was partially wrong. One of your OCs is a griffon.
Who takes center stage, with his dragon buddy, under their god powered OC master.

I'm going to start with one of the key indicators that you might be writing a Mary Sue. Your characters will spend... about 60-80% of their time thinking about, talking to, earning the attention of, trying to impress, or forcing interaction with the character designated as Mary Sues.
Chapter One spends so much time focused on Tazer and Shuske, I doubt your story isn't about them.

They go to Ponyville, meet the elements, do awesome things to earn everyone's trust, and are all together horrible Mary Sues. ^^


The reason I felt the need to post that quote as the first line, more than any other, is that it exemplifies why I will no longer be reading any of this story. Ever.
not even the Elements of Harmony can save this world
- Canon Characters will be useless, hope you weren't reading a MLP:FiM fic for those losers, right?
It is all up to the Guardian of the Rethen.
- Is that last part even a word? No matter. OC character (Possibly Spike Jesus) will be the only thing that can do anything in the progression of this plot.

I like to do a mental exercise. If I move your OCs into a blank universe, would there still be a complete story? If yes, then I have no reason to read your FanFic. I can do that. You have heroes, villians, and mentors existing in a vacuum on their own.
There's no reason this is a fanfic besides you wanting to name drop a bunch of popular characters so that other people will possibly read your story.

Here, you need to read this: http://fillerarc.tumblr.com/post/22890565801/wisdom
And think. Why does this story exist? What goal do you have? Because the story you're trying to tell, doesn't seem to have too much to do with the medium you've chosen to write it in.

Horribly biased of me to do so? Perhaps.

But perhaps I read My Little Pony fics because I like My Little Pony, and simply don't have time to sort through a couple hundred thousand words to come to the conclusion that there's nothing in the story to hold my attention.
>> No. 114254
>>113432

So, it's come to my attention that you're getting tired of reading fanfics about Trixie. Well, my fic involves a great deal of Trixie. In fact, a good half of that first chapter is Trixie-centric with a light dusting of Twilight parallels, though it's broken up by scenes where Luna is the focus-character.

... which, I imagine, only puts you off further. She's neither 'lonely' Luna nor 'leader' Luna, if it's any consolation. She's more of a down-to-business, prideful, haughty sort of Luna, a characterization that I haven't seen in too many fics. But you've probably read a WHOLE lot more fics than I have.

I just thought I should warn you. I'll happily retract my request and take the fic elsewhere if need be. Just let me know.
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>>114249
I guess I just caught you on a bad day for Trixie. Other than that, thanks for the clarification.
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>>114256
Well, for example, take your story from a different direction.
"Trixie -> Magic!"
What about Sparkler? Dinky? Flim and Flam? Jet Set/Fancy Pants? You have a rule as to why it can't be Sweetie, but why not start with a lesser used character? Do you know how many instant fans you would pick up if you started Chapter One with Carrot Top as one of her Elements?
Why not start with a different element? Why not introduce a concept that hasn't been seen in an interesting way?
Trixie as Luna's Twilight equivalent has been done since the moment her episode aired. By putting it as part two of your introductory chapter, I don't get a feel for what you're trying to bring to the story.

It feels like you're copying the story from other places? Why does she need to find a magic first? Even if you do need Trixie as her Magic element, wouldn't it also be possible that she wouldn't run into the group in that order? Introduce her Laughter or Generosity or something else. Show the reader SOME of the new concepts you want to bring to the table right off the bat.

Because if you don't show that you're bringing something fresh, that just relegates you to the pile.
People who read every Luna fic will get around to reading yours.
It doesn't really attract new readers, because your material is all kind of stale.

>>114254
To be fair, I don't really care. ^^ The only character that I have difficulty reading is Rainbow Dash.
Even then I'll complain about it, but that's because Trixie is a character that shows up a whole lot, usually written in a very rote like manner. Like Sick.Derpy, I'll get overly and inappropriately emotional about it, but it's not a big deal.
I'm sure as long as you're writing her in a way that makes sense and keeps true to the story, I'll only complain about side things.
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>>114296
Trixie is the first element simply because I figured she'd be street performing in the capitol after her house and life was smashed in Ponyville. However, I guess I could use her scene later. As to whether using her or not it's overused tripe, well, that may be true, but I didn't really want a foal or a background character to anchor the team. I know some of your examples weren't strictly background, but Flim and Flam couldn't both be the element of magic, and I don't know enough of the others to incorporate them (though that doesn't exclude then from future positions).

I still have other spots available that I haven't decided as far as Luna's other elements, and the side characters you mentioned may be incorporated into the remaining roles, but I'd have to figure out fitting traits for each.

As for why I choose Trixie, there's really no other reason other than I know she's got a big following and that would hook a lot of readers in itself. That's really the dilemma I face. I try to walk the line between pandering and writing the story I want to tell.

Trixie is popular, therefor a story involving her attracts readers. However, having another chapter written involving other characters may also hook those looking for originality. Really, what I'm aiming for is a balance of popularity and originality.
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>>114305
I apologize, I'm drugged up on sleeping pills at the moment, and I have to get up for work in 1.5 hours so this might not make complete sense. But I have to tell you this because I can't sleep otherwise.

> I still have other spots available that I haven't decided as far as Luna's other elements
*This*
Cease and desist immediately. Put the breaks on and work out a rough outline as soon as you can. This will help your story immensely. With even a basic outline, you can use foreshadowing effectively and plot out how characters will meet and interact in the future.
You can figure out how Luna is thinking and what her logic is in her pony selection, rather than just throwing ideas and seeing what works.

It's not that complex, you've only got to pick out six characters. What their Element is, why Luna would think they fit it, how they wouldn't exactly fit... It's not a whole lot of work really.
Know what you're going to do with the story before you start putting it to paper so to speak.

An outline can change and adapt as you progress the story. So it's not handcuffing yourself, it's a roadmap to a destination. The path can change, the destination can change, but as long as you have it in the first place, you'll have somewhere to go no matter the situation.

It's sad that "making shit up as you go" type of writing has become so prevalent in (web)comics that people are genuinely surprised every time something turns out to be thought-out and planned beforehand.
- anon on 4chan, /co/

So yes, you can 'improvise' your entire plot. That usually gets you to the point of writing yourself in a corner though. You end up having massive late chapter rewrites and other nightmares to contend with as your story grows out of hand.

But how long would it take to figure out which main characters you wanted to have, and why they're in the places they are? An hour? Two? Three days?
Figure out a more general direction now, and you avoid hitting writer's block in a month or so.

> I try to walk the line between pandering and writing the story I want to tell.
Pick the story you want to tell first. Always. Forever. If you want to be popular, you can follow the formula and that'll come as it will.
Pandering is a great way to lose readers. Sure, you'll get that initial large burst of readership, like Past Sins!
But then you'll eventually gain infamy as a writer for constantly pandering, also like Past Sins.
So unless your name is Stephanie Meyer...

Your first chapter is extremely important. You've got to prove to the reader that you know where you're going, and that you have an endgame in mind when you start telling your tale.

> but I didn't really want a foal or a background character to anchor the team.
Why?
And secondly, why would Magic anchor the team? I thought what you would be going for is how Luna's team wouldn't work, or how it would be completely different than Celestia's 'team', wouldn't the team dynamic be significantly changed if the team lead wasn't the Red Ranger?
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>>114307
Some of the comedy part is supposed to be due to the situation of Luna's team being somewhat dysfunctional, with maybe a moment towards the end where they actually work together and accomplish something. As far as planning, I still have to do that before it's posted.

As for why Trixie, (besides the reasons already mentioned) I wanted a bit of animosity between the two teams to run through the story a bit, even if it's mostly Trixie's giant ego causing it all. If Sparkler or another unicorn figure were Magic, and Trixie wasn't in it, I just wouldn't buy the two teams being rivals, which is kind of what I'm going for.

But now I've just considered how I could instead portray Luna's team to be initially better, without Trixie as Magic, thus driving Twilight into obsession mode and squeezing some comedy out of her by pushing her friends to be the best for princess Celestia.

Alright, you've given me much to think about, and that was my whole point in submitting this in the first place, so thanks!
>> No. 114357
>>114296

Glad to hear it! I can't wait for the review!
>> No. 114365
When Agent Overcast from the Equestrian Secret Service is assigned to the Equestrian Mines to investigate the disappearances of some miners, he finds himself trapped in something much deeper than anypony could have ever guessed. Along with Rainbow Dash and Twilight, he discovers that the mines hold a secret. A secret that threatens to unleash a horror like Equestria has never seen before.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OUje-TiXhuwZopvLVkpYWhY8MXo5uF5qfPZETqvXdqE/edit

5711 words

English

I ran this past EqD and received my second strike. Its apparently close, but not quite there. Here's some copy/paste from the rejection e-mail.

> your wording on this gets a little rough / dry in places.

> , but Dash / Overcast's arguably-pointless conversation about... how you're really rubbing it in the face of the audience that you've read Dash Academy... really distracts from the important part of that scene: where they're headed, where they are, and how they're all reacting to what's happening.

Those are the two big points aside from > you only need a moderate-but-thorough editing sweep. (Taken from chat with the pre-reader.)

So, grammar within the first few pages (and beyond that, I would be willing to bet.), the conversation scene between OC and Dash, and sprucing up that wording. That's what I humbly ask you to help me with.

Please and thank-you.
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Glad to see you back Minty! I'd like your insight on a thing that I'm doing. Most specifically... how to pull off where it's going. I... don't really care how many people don't like it, but I want to explore the thematic territory in a quality way. If you haven't read the second chapter, it pretty much lays out the key event of the third right at the end. So yeah. You've given me great ideas with Divergence, and I'm hoping you can help me through this particular mine-field. Heh.

Moving On
>Sweetie Belle has been living with Rarity since their parents went off to see the world, but some years have passed, and it may be time for a change.
Around 6.5K words
[Shipping/Slice of Life]
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36902/Moving-On

If you've the time, a review of the first two chapters and conceptual aid with the third would be extremely helpful. Thanks Minty!
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It's been a while since I've tossed this one around /fic/, and seeing as how there have been some decisions to keep it as a oneshot, I'm circulating it through once again for a couple last times before sending it to EQD.

[Title] Paradise Lost
[Author] Xelor
[Tags] Dark, Alternate Universe
[Email] raptorsenior@gmail.com
[Synopsis] "A lie begets a lie, and the world must be protected by one."

Skyward Arrows, a simple author on the run from his own city, is faced with a decision that will change the course of history forever. Yet with every power comes a hefty price.

[Link] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TdsANlCc0vmWww6ykXzkjh9tUIMeo0psSARkOsUDI_Q/edit?pli=1

[Chapters] Oneshot

[EQD Stuff] Thank you for submitting your story to EQD... and for stumping me. I'm really not entirely sure what to do with it! It's well written, but you've left me with many more questions than I started with.

The magical book was a nice idea... but I'm wondering a lot about the world of the Author. What's going on? Why is the Empire so cruel? Where did this book come from? What's this sect he seems to be working with?

And once the world is re-made, where in time did 'Our' Equestria start? Was it pre-Celestia? Pre-Discord?

So many unanswered questions... I do think your story would do better if this were re-written and fleshed out.

Honestly? It's also a good start to a MUCH longer story.

Regardless, the choice is yours.

I'm sending this back to you for editing; you do need to firm up your formatting and add in a few tweaks here and there. You can do that, then resubmit... and it ought to be ready to post.

I would however offer a plea to you to consider re-writing and expanding upon this. You've left me with questions... and that can be a very good thing if you choose to answer them.

-Pre-reader 23-ish

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Thank you for your submission to Equestria Daily. I cannot at this time recommend it for posting, due to numerous errors in the writing and tone:
The writing in general is very awkward, with poor word agreement and missing words not making it any easier to read. There are formatting errors as well, including extra whitespace and un-italicized thoughts.
Do not use asterisks in prose. Sounds can exist on the page unaltered, or in italics.
The dialogue is very poor, especially between Diamondback and Skyward. The former sounds like a pat villain, spouting lines I've heard numerous times before to poor effect. Furthermore, the conversation serves only as exposition and is thus very dry.
Use of the phrase "a single tear" is generally frowned upon as an over-the-top attempt to force emotion out of an otherwise emotionless scene, as it is in this piece.
Finally, I was not entirely convinced of the ability of one seemingly normal unicorn mage to rewrite his world into Equestria, especially as I assume the 'successor' he spoke of is Celestia.
I anticipate some explanation forthcoming, and as such request that you include a first chapter upon your resubmit.

This is the second of three strikes for this story. Please take your time rewriting. Consult the Editors' Omnibus and get at least one reviewer from Ponychan to look over this and anything else you write to make sure it is suitable for the blog. There is something worthwhile in this -- starting in medias res was a good thing, and the general concept is interesting -- so I would hate to see it strike out.

Good luck,

-Pre-reader #6EQUJ5

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[Comments] That's pretty much it. I want to know whether or not I should expand it, or keep it as is.

In regards to your Rule #1, I can't really remember if I submitted this to you before. If I did, just say so and I'll take my business elsewhere.

Oh, this is also in SLP's queue

Thanks.
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It’s done! Whew, that took a while, especially when you surprised me with a new version! So, I guess the place to start would be some general formatting, and then we’ll zoom right into the specific stuff, okay?

The very, very first thing that I noticed was that you double-space your periods. Twilight told me a while ago that double-spaced periods were left over from the age of typewriters and that nopony should be using them anymore, not if she had anything to say about it. I know that’s a lot of spaces to fix already, but I know you can do it!

The other thing, like only the very first thing, was that you removed all the enters around your paragraphs, which is weird, because you had it right before. Paragraphs are separated by enters (which Twilight calls line breaks for some reason), unless there’s a scene break involved somewhere.

Oh, oh! And why are you only using a single space for indents? It must be so lonely, normally they come in sets of eight, or at least ponies use a tab, or do away with the indents at all. I don’t think I’ve ever seen only a single-spaced indent before.

Which brings me to my lastest, other other point, is that ponies normally use horizontal lines as scene breaks, instead of a bunch of squigglies. On FiMFiction, they use [hr], but I don’t know about whatever site you’re using. Oh, and most ponies also set the scene break off from the surrounding lines by a line break on both sides.

Specifics!

>“It’s been six years since the Changelings first attempted to infiltrate Equestria, taking a visiting Alicorn Princess from the Crystal Empire hostage in an attempt to marry into our royal hierarchy.”
This is really confusing me, because I think you’re talking about Princess Cadence, but I’ve never heard of any Crystal Empire... do you think they have crystal cakes there? I bet you they have a lot of rock candy! Oh, but as for this, maybe you should just be direct and use Princess Cadence’s name. That way you won’t lose the ponies who don’t know their geography that well.

>An exert from
You probably meant excerpt, right? Right!

Sooo... I don’t really feel super excited about this opening. It’s supposed to be to a bunch of cadets, or something like that, right? Because it’s not nearly as energetic or prideful as I would think it would be - I mean, have you heard the way Granny Smith talks to her new jars? It’s no wonder they actually swell with pride! That’s what this opening speech needs, some life, some juice, some Equestrian pride!

>For most of her life, Rainbow Dash had been unshakably confident. As far back as she could remember, she had rarely ever doubted her own abilities, regardless of what was standing in her way.
Uh oh, I’d watch out for all those “to be” verbs, like “had.” They show up a lot in passive voice, which is boooring and slow-paced. If you can, I’d say think about reducing how many times you use “had” in this sentence, and in general. It’s sure to make the story a lot more exciting!

>only Pegasus in Equestrias history to pull
When you do possessives, you usually use a single-quote. “Equestria’s history” is the right way to do it.

>She'd been summoned by the Military Council only minutes ago, and her reaction to this had been... unbecoming.
I’m not sure about this, using ellipses in narration isn’t super-duper popular, and I know Twilight doesn’t like it, but there’s nothing exaaactly wrong with it. It’s just, you don’t need the ellipses to get your emphasis across, really, so, I mean, why not just save it for dialogue or thoughts when you really do need one?

>A nervous young Earth Pony who had probably only been employed at Equestrias primary military base for the better part of a week had delivered her the message, mere seconds after the painful, drawn-out death of one of Rainbow's most valued team-mates.
Ooh, ooh! Lotsa stuff to talk about here. Firstest is the possessive thing again - “Equestria’s.” Second is that it’s long and drawn out and says a whole bunch, which is kinda hard to read and still be interested. Still, the biggest thing is the way you approached the sentence - it’s removed from Dashie’s point of view, which is weird considering the story is from her point of view. Think about:
>The nervous-looking Earth Pony who had probably only been employed at Equestria’s primary military base for the better part of a week had been given the unfortunate task of delivering her the message, mere seconds after the painful, drawn-out death of one of her most valued teammates.
Oh, and I think it’s teammates, not team-mates. But let good ole’ Pinkie Pie give you a hoof with cutting it down into manageable, bite-sized (your bite size, not mine) cupcakes.
>The nervous-looking cadet, who had probably only been employed at the base for the better part of a week, had been given the unfortunate task of delivering her the message mere seconds after the painful, drawn-out death of one of her most valued teammates.
Sure, some of those details were nice, but you didn’t need them at all, really, and they made the sentence longer and wordy-er then it needed to be. Icing is nice, but if you have more icing than cake, you’ll get a tummy ache.

>The blood on the proud Major's sky blue fur was still fresh.
I just don’t see Dashie referring to herself as a “proud Major,” well, not unless she was bragging to somepony, so...
>The blood on her coat was still fresh.
Or something like that!

>Having left her equipment behind outside of the operating room, Rainbow Dash stood frozen like a statue, eyes still red from her flurry of angry tears,
Shouldn’t the focus of the sentence be on Dashie? I know some ponies think that extra stuff - like details and thoughts - is bad, but I really do like just the right amount, in the right place. In this case, I don’t really know what equipment Dashie would have left behind, and I really don’t know what it’s important that I know she left it behind.

If you think about both of those things together, doesn’t it give you a bit of a headache trying to imagine Dashie not wearing equipment, when you don’t even know what the equipment is? It makes my head hurt, that’s for sure!

>she wanted nothing more than to leap across the room, land next to her and bite the jugular right out of her royal neck.
Wowie, that’s really violent of Dashie... oh, uh, but besides that, see that bolded pronoun? It’s tech-nick-ly ambiguous - you could be referring to Dashie or Celestia. But it’s okay, I know who you mean, because Dashie doing... that... to herself would be silly, right? But maybe you should say Celestia anyways, just to be sure.

>"At the beginning," Celestia replied, from her throne
I wouldn’t keep that comma, okay? It makes the sentence all chunky.

>Not having much of a choice, she opened her mouth, but quickly found herself unable to form words.
This line right here marks my first biggest issue, and sorta-kinda the halfway-point of the review. `Cause, you know how this is basically starting Dashie retelling what happened? Well... you don’t actually narrate the flashbacks in a way that’s consistent with that framing device. If Dashie is retelling the story to the Princess, that means that all the events have already happened from the reader’s perspective. I’m really fine that you used first-person, even though it’s a gutsy choice, but it’s good for a pony to have moxxy, right? At least that’s what Dashie tells me...

Anyways! But that the whole incident is in present-tense, that’s what I don’t get. If it was in first-person, past-tense, then it would be consistent with the framing device (Dashie remember/retelling the events) and it frees up what you can do with the narration in terms of Dashie’s thoughts. Besides, why present-tense? Maybe to make it more action-y? I don’t really know, so I’m asking if you could maybe explain, and think super-hard about the benefits of keeping the battle-mission thingy in present-tense, versus past-tense.

So that’s the end of specifics, kinda, and the start of generals. If I did nothing but line-by-lines, we’d be here forever! And you’d never get to editing and I’d never get to baking, so there’s that too.

General!

Okie dokie lokie, here we go! It’s a little list of things and issues, so let’s get to it!

1) Some of your sentences are loooooooooooong! So long and so busy, actually, that sometimes I lose track of what you’re trying to build up to. Look at this:
>With a cloud of steam that rushed out into the room, fogging up her one window, Rainbow Dash ambled lifelessly out of her shower, her fur finally clean again, and collapsed into her bed.
That’s a big big big sentence, and it doesn’t have to be that way! Making it two sentences would be a lot easier to follow, and it wouldn’t hurt the story, right? So be on the lookout for sentences that are trying to do way too much.

2) Speaking of trying to do way too much, that’s you! You’re trying to set-up a whole great big wide world in just a little space, and it kinda shows. Some side-details and world-building are nice, but if you go super overboard, then they get in the way of the progress of the story! It’s a lot easier to tell the reader things, kinda like you did with that opening quote, than it is to show them things. What do I mean by telling?

Well, the quote from Spitfire’s speech establishes a whole lot of stuff in a way that’s a little dry, and not really gratifying to read - I guess you could say that when I read it, I don’t see a story, I see the author trying to set things up? Since that’s the case, your job is to make it so that every little sentence and line fits in snugly with the story, in the sense that it recounts events and progress action, not just detail for the sake of detail. If you have any questions about finding those dry telling/detail bits, just ask it in the thread, okay?

3) Possessives! Everywhere, all over, Mr. Apostrophe is being ignored! It makes me so sad, that poor punctuation mark... but you can make it all better! Remember, a single object possessive is <noun>’s, a plural object possessive is <noun>s’! Easy, right?

4) The first time you use “Marenobog,” you quote it, like I just did, but you don’t do that again. It’s kinda confusing, because Dashie somehow becomes familiar with the concept of the Marenobog almost immediately, that’s all.

5) All these magical, mystical superpowers! I have my Pinkie Sense, so I guess I can’t complain too much, but do you really need so many ponies to have such strange powers, and with no explanation? It just seems a little weird, that’s all, and I would like the story just as much without them.

6) Don’t forget to fix that formatting!

8) That ending. W-w-what are you implying!?

I think that just about covers it for now! If you have any questions, you know where to find me!
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Title: Ponystar Celestia

Author's Native Language: English (United States)

Tags: Romance, Sad, Dark, Crossover*, Adventure

Rating: Mature

Warning: Gore

Current Word Count: 28,848

Description:
>Years after the weddding of Princess Cadance and Shining Armor, Equestria has expanded its borders.  This expansion has led to the creation of massive airships known as "ponystars," which protect settlers and civilian caravans.

>This is the story of one such ponystar, as she and her crew face an attack from a mysterious foe that threatens the very survival of ponykind.

>Can these ponies and their friendships survive when the enemy could be anypony?

Link: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/38220/Ponystar-Celestia

I'm new here, but if I've read correctly it is customary to declare who else has reviewed one's work. So: Applejinx has looked over the first four chapters--as has an EQD pre-reader--and Ukai may do a review once his personal life is in order.

Thank you in advance for reading and reviewing my work.
>> No. 114524
>>114408
The missing enters and indents... Um, sorry, that must have happened when I pasted the story into Fimfiction. I should have checked to make sure it translated properly.
Apostrophies to show ownership... Honestly, I've heard different sides of this issue from too many people to count. All through school, And even by another reviewer here, I was told that they shouldn't be used like that.

And as for the choice of tense... Okay, this goes way back to when I watched the movie "hero" so many years ago. The story was being told in two separate time lines, but the more important and engaging story was being told in the past. Which got me thinking "Maybe this story isn't being told in flashbacks. Maybe this is a story being told in real time, while being intersected by flash-forwards." Which didn't make sense, but it was a fictional story, so why should it have to?
I've been sitting on that idea for a longest time, until it occurred to me to use it in this fanfic.

And the end... Well, it's supposed to be up for interpretation, but in later chapters, the pink mane in her bed is revealed to be Fluttershy's. XD
>> No. 114525
>>114524
>Apostrophies to show ownership... Honestly, I've heard different sides of this issue from too many people to count. All through school, And even by another reviewer here, I was told that they shouldn't be used like that.
Whoever told you something different from what Pinkie's saying was wrong, and probably a greengrocer. English has a lot of weird and complicated rules, but "use apostrophe-s to denote a singular noun's possession" is thankfully not one of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#General_principles_for_the_possessive_apostrophe
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>>114327
> Alright, you've given me much to think about, and that was my whole point in submitting this in the first place, so thanks!
Glad I could help.
Next thread, I'm totally changing to chapter one opinionated reviews.

>>114365
> need a moderate-but-thorough editing sweep.
LS? I'm not really the go to guy on that kind of thing. Grammar is really secondary to me, and only is notable if it bothers me.

>>114379
> I... don't really care how many people don't like it, but I want to explore the thematic territory in a quality way.
Sweet mamba jamba. I know what I'm doing this weekend.
Biased a bit? Maybe. But Seattle's completely earned it.

>>114390
http://www.ponychan.net/chan/fic/res/89486.html#96815
Join Jazz, the soon-to-be Uprising Guide as he and Twilight Sparkle must embark on a journey riddled with mystery, secrets, and the like.
They travel across Equestria and beyond, gathering clues as to what the coming war will entail.
Who is Retribution? What did Jazz's father do? And what is Twilight's role in all this madness?


Do you remember now? Plus lots of time on IRC Raptor.
Lots.

Everybody else: http://derpy.me/MintyQueue is updated.
Missing a story I got by email and far from pretty, but it's there, and I'm still working through these.

>>114525
> English has a lot of weird and complicated rules, but "use apostrophe-s to denote a singular noun's possession" is thankfully not one of them.
Stealing this. Thanks. ^^
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>>114305
>Flim and Flam couldn't both be the element of magic
Why not?

After all, twins beings two halves of a whole is a common theme in fiction. You could say that they're only the bearers of Magic when they're together, which also ties in to the Friendship aspect of Magic.

As an added bonus, it means that your protagonist(s) always have somepony to talk to and bounce ideas off of--one of the functions that Spike serves for Twilight in the show.

I for one would find that more interesting than Trixie in this role. Maybe I'll use that myself, if I ever do a "Team Luna" fic.
>> No. 114667
>>114661 This fic is still a ways off from being posted, so feel free to steal. I don't think you can patent plot devices, anyway.
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>>114655

Grammar isn't the only thing I need. I'd still love your opinion and there are still a few wayward, non-grammar, points that I'd like help with. I can find a grammar nazi if needs be.
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>>114379
I read this for enjoyment rather than hyper detail, so I'm sure I'm missing something. But I do admit to having to check the rating multiple times during reading to make sure it was only teen.

Because now I have to google 'euphemisms for masturbation' to continue my review.

So we start the story with Sweetie wandering around the bush down under, which lead to the first check of rating. Still teen. Even though the scene has more focus on Rarity interrupting the proceedings.
Let it be said that it's hard for you to write a boring introduction. Uncomfortable situations are one of your strong points, and pay off really well when needing to hold the readers attention.

The introduction of Scootaloo comes a little bit as a surprise, though I can't remember Scoot's having a coffee personality off the top of my head. (My mistake, I was thinking AB)
She's the morning person, where Sweetie and Applebloom are the evening and afternoon sorts, right? Might have to read it over again to see if I missed that.

I do want to see more about Sweetie's band. Being Arch-magus Twilight's apprentice is nice, especially for her, but considering she actively wants music, it could use more color behind it.

I should be below the cut now, shouldn't I? I hope so.
So, you're going for OT3 then?
Because that's what I get from that ending. Truthfully I'm a little confused on the situation with Spike, but that's because this is text, not art. Limitations of writers and all. ^^

So your Chapter One starts off with sex, a whole lot of it actually. Chapter Two starts off with violence, which is a nice tonal shift. This is the sort of story I'd sit down to read, and end up gunning through chapters way too quickly. I'd really want to read the chapter three that's coming.

That said, I don't have a whole lot to do projections based on. Twilight seems like she spends half her time in Canterlot, and the six don't spend too much time together. Rarity seems a bit... sad actually? Like she's going through abandonment issues piled on her younger sister becoming a sexually active young adult. Her parents are gone, her friends don't have too much time for her, and outside of the meaningless sex, she's got nothing but Sweetie, so it's perfectly understandable that she would be upset that Twilight is chucking fireballs at the only emotional connection she has left to rely on.

I need more information to understand Apple Bloom's opinion, Applejack, Twilight, Rainbow Dash. No sign of Pinkie or Fluttershy yet, but that's fine. Listing people I need more data for would be long and extended. ^^

So yes, my gut reaction to the end of chapter two, is OT3 which may be wrong and completely inappropriate in this situation. Rarity seems sad, Twilight seems like she could be a source of many fun complications.
If Sweetie is her best student though, I'm forced to wonder about the other unicorns in her age group.

Cider. Hehe.

...Oh my god, Twist is probably hot now too.
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>>114693
Hey Minty, thanks for the quick review mate. I’m writing chapter three as we speak, so your timing couldn’t be better. So…

>I'm a little confused on the situation with Spike
You have a habit of asking good questions that I can ponder, and perhaps find some new territory to explore in the piece at hand. So please, elaborate. What do you want to know about Spike and his situation, and what confused you about his short stint in-piece?

>Chapter Two starts off with violence, which is a nice tonal shift.
Yeah, thanks for that. I guess it’s… my more natural territory. This shipping thing is weird. But yeah, it kinda threw a few people, but it’s… Heh, I’m really, really trying not to let this turn into an adventure piece. Ooooh no. Those things are WAY too long, and then they own you until you finish them. It’s funny too, because a guy I haven’t met before, who’s read Moving On and not Divergence, had this to say:
>I suppose this is my request that we see some kind of adventure or circumstance at some later date with the two of them. … Your writing skills feel almost overkill for a slice of life story and take that as a compliment. It feels just a bit to simple for your vocabulary and range of writing; as if you're choking off a lot of your creativity to stay within the bounds of this story.
Which, honestly, is one hell of a humbling compliment.

Interesting take of Rarity and the condition I’ve placed her in, by the way. I may play that up a little, but the CMC cast are going to be taking precedence of the focus. So aside from a scene with AJ and Dash next chapter (whom I plan to use as a catalyst) an maybe a bit more with Twilight, there’s not a great deal of the 6 in the foreseeable future. Anyway, this brings us to the main event—

So yeah, you got it. One of the pre-readers may or may not have successfully bribed me into writing a CMC threesome. And yes, that’s not just something I’d just DO; I have to do it well. Annnd I’d like your thoughts on successfully and believably pulling off such a thing. It’s realllllly sensitive and shaky ground to tread on. Quite the challenge. Any and all ideas you may have on the subject, I would really appreciate. Email’s in trip (implying you don’t already have it) if you’d prefer to keep this out of your thread.


Thanks Minty! Thanks forever.

Oh.
>Twist is probably hot now too.
Twist will never be hot. Twist is an abomination.
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>>114715
> Twist will never be hot. Twist is an abomination.

> What do you want to know about Spike and his situation, and what confused you about his short stint in-piece?
I get the feeling that Spike, who's hit full growth spurt, is still at the library while Twilight's duties have her teleporting all around the Greater Canterlot Area. Twilight still babies him, but they're separate enough that Spike and Sweetie (And Apple Bloom) are probably in variations of the same situations. Young Adults, with overprotective older 'siblings'.

He's just be an interesting character to have around for contrast and comparison. Also I'm not completely clear on things like his wing span and how he fits in doors and things.
>> No. 114789
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Here are the tags you gave me:
[Normal] [Comedy] [History]

Normal - This is true. This story doesn't seem to be going anywhere though.
Comedy - Nothing funny happens. Nothing. You could highlight the jokes and it wouldn't make them stand out. It's not even sitcom funny.
History - You're playing the Hearthswarming play as 100% historically accurate, while trying to keep the characters in character for the core six. You're not doing anything original enough to stand out, and it's all kind of disconcerting.

Here, you need to look at this command in Google Docs: Insert -> Horizontal Line
This will make your story much prettier.

Put spaces behind all your periods. Consistently indent when you have the option. Proof read before submitting to other humans.

Separate your chapters out more. Single line returns are not enough.

Watch some reruns of Spin City. Get a feel for the subject matter of an election . Maybe watch some medieval stuff. Get in the mind set of the pre-technological pre-royal pony sister era.

Proofread your work.

Even then, it's hard to take this story at face value. It needs something to stand out, and Ballot Box and Gray Rock are not it. Reading through your first chapter resulted in me dislocating my jaw yawning. That is not a position you want to put the reader during the first chapter.

I would start the story over again at a later point, with more of the funny stuff, then flash back to the background 'building' stuff when it's important.

Because again, jaw dislocation while reading should not be in an alleged comedy.
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>>114379

Sorry, I couldn't resist! Have a small second opinion.

Wowie, that opening is strong, no problems there. I mean, really, that's in media res!

But, but! The second scene doesn't sit super well with me. I guess that since you've already got my attention so strongly, it doesn't matter that this is a big old exposition dump. I mean I hardly noticed, but that doesn't make it okay... does it?

>Oh! If only I had brought a good book! Nothing beats—
This sounds so much like Twilight I can only suspect she's rubbing off on her number-one student.

What, not even one try at a better euphemism? What's the worst completely mystifying Scootaloo could do?

Scoot's concern for AJ is really sticking out. Is there something deeper going on there with Scoots and AJ? For a pony who is supposed to laugh at almost everything, that scene is such a role-reversal! But really, AJ, Scoots, something?

Sweetie's really harsh on her sister sometimes. Rarity can't help it that she cares! It made me a little sad to see that even after all they've been through together, they still don't get along that well. Is there some sort of deeper tension behind this exchange? Because Sweetie sure got upset quickly.

I also expect a menage a trois incoming.

General:
Young love! So cute. The interaction is pretty pure, and Scoots is obviously the more forward of the two. I wonder how Apple Bloom feels about all of this? Actually, how has Sweetie been keeping this all a secret from Rarity?

I mean, not to say anything bad about Rarity, but she can be a bit on the pry-y side, and she's not blind or anything. She could figure things out. Maybe she knows and is pretending not to? What a twist!

Oh, and boy oh boy did Sweetie hit the jackpot, huh? Both magical and musical talent? That's really fantastic! Almost sorta Sue-ish, but not that anyone really minds, right?

Ideas, ideas... yes, I could have those!
>> No. 114868
>>114789
Even a negative review is helpful, and again thank you! You're the first reviewer to actually give ma a review. Some Authors consider themselves infallible and pick apart your review but I only have two comments. 1: Alot of those grammar issues are based on my transfer from FIM to google docs. 2: What do you mean "disconcerting"? I get the boredom, and the inner workings of politics might bore people who are's super politico nerds like me. But if my characterization needs work I don't know what you mean.
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>>114852

>That feel when receiving an unsolicited review

Pinkie-anon, thank you very much for having a look! I very much appreciate your attention and compliments.

In regards to you concern about the second scene info-dump—aye, I’ve no defense against it, because you’re quite correct, and not the first to rightfully bring it up.
I think it’s more than fair to say that Twilight has had quite the influence on Sweetie. I’m kinda working with Sweetie as a young Twilight, though less out-rightly brilliant, more sardonic and cynical, slightly less naive and twice as klutzy. Also more prideful, which makes her embarrassment at being a klutz all the more amusing to write.

>Scoot’s concern for AJ … is there more there?
No, not really. I just see the whole group being essential one large extended family at this point in the timeline. Scoots considers all of the main six to be essentially big sisters… with one principle exception, of course. Same goes for the other two CMC.

>Deeper tension between Rarity and Sweetie
Maaaaybe. Heh. Although, I have to say, nice insight and extrapolation on Rarity’s character, I like your take, and may incorporate an shade of it. In bulk though, on the surface, Sweetie’s just in that stage of a young adult, where calling her or treating her like a baby strikes every level of ‘fuck you’.
Plus, I love putting worst pone on the receiving end of bad things
Actually, here’s a secret: Next chapter is going to have a scene where not only does Sweetie tell Rarity she’s moving out that very same day, but comes out that’s she and Scoots are in a relationship. Should be worlds of fun.

>wonder how AB feels about things.
Heh, well, you’re black-text is correct. We’ll find out exactly how she feels about things next chapter.

Again Pinkie-anon, thanks so much for your input and thoughts! Best regards to ya.
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>>114903
Pic related to your spoiler box.

Nothing else to add at the moment as I should really finish what I'm on now before I read your fic...

Ah, screw it; I'm too curious about Sweetaloo! [Departs for FiMfiction.]
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>>114251
kay.
My story sucks, I get it. I tried my best not to make mary sue's and such, but apparently I still suck at that.

I wanna make an OC that isnt a mary sue. My characters I made got flaws, plenty of them. They don't have dark and mysterious pasts, they don't got special powers, they don't go emo at every turn, they're just there. I don't know how to make them less mary sue!


So I wanna ask you this... and I've been needing this for an extremely long time.
Do you know of anyone that I can ask to help edit the fic?
Not proofread, not spell/grammar check, actually go in and tell me ""this shit sucks, it needs to be rewritten in a different fashion. Here, what aobut (blankety blankety blank)? Or perhaps something along the lines of ___"


I'm been getting a lot of people telling me this story sucks. I got it. It sucks. Now how do I make this better?"


I've been thinking of this story for about 8 months now, and I've invested too much time into it to dump it now. I wanna fix it. I wanna save it. But I plead you to help me find an editor. I'm turning my head around and upside down over this thing, it just irks me so much. I went through all of army basic training thinking up this fic, and all 30 chapters that i planned for it to have.

So please, help me out here?
>> No. 114948
>>114903
>>114924
Back.

Left my thoughts at FiMfiction as this isn't the place for me and my gushing.
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>>114924
What? It's perfectly acceptable. We're all opinionated jerks. It's natural for everyone to develop a 'Least Best Pony'. Seattle's is Rarity, mine is Rainbow Dash. Conflicting opinions are a great source of inspiration.

>>114868
Umm... There are places in your google doc which vary between no indentation and double indentation. There are places where you have no spaces following a period.

> it's all kind of disconcerting.
I mean, you're sitting between two potentially massively different characterizations.
You have on one hand Smart Cookie, who is an outgoing go getter, bent on winning her candidate the election, which is fun and kind of interesting on it's own.
Then your story stops everything it's doing to make reference to Granny Smith and Big Mac. Your story actually *stops* advancing to make the reader think about the fact she was played by Applejack.
It's not longer the character Smart Cookie. It's Applejack playing Smart Cookie, in an extended version of a high school play.
The character is now neither Cookie or Applejack. It's just kind of a limbo.
I can't take your History at face value anymore, because it's just a play again. The characters don't identify as either Cookie or Applejack.
The same applies to Pudding. She's never individual enough to be Puddinghead, she's just Pinkie in a costume change.

I'd check your story on FiMfic, but it's 502 again.

>>114945
You're getting a whole post. You've more than earned it. Mary Sues are tricky to get away from.
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>>114945
The worst traits of a Mary Sue, the ones that readers notice, and call out to them are varied. I can tell you have a story you want to tell. But you're focusing on the wrong sort of story.

You're telling the story about... You know, I'm not going to guess at this point. But you're telling it from the point of view of everyone else looking in.

The story seems centered around Tazer and Shuske. Two OCs, which isn't really a problem. You can tell a story about characters that aren't in canon. Some stories need to be about outsiders.

Kurt Vonnegut’s 8 rules for writing are touted around here for good reason. They tend to be what separates the things that are fun to read, from the chaff.

1. Use the time of a total stranger in such a way that he or she will not feel the time was wasted.
This is very subjective. But there's a whole lot of your first few chapters that don't seem related to the story.
The worst example I can think of would be your prologue. It's full of information and symbolism that means nothing to the reader.
In fact, if the entire prologue was related to the main characters from Luna a few chapters down the line, it would have more impact. We would have some idea why the Nether Drake was important to the story, some characters that would be able to take meaning from the tale, and some understanding as to how it related to the story as a whole.
As it is, you have a bunch of dragons sucked into gems that doesn't seem to connect back in anyway.

2. Give the reader at least one character he or she can root for.
You haven't let the reader follow any characters. You kind of assume we like the canon characters, and then assume that we'll agree with them when they vouch for how cool the new guys are.
Instead you could keep the readers limited to the knowledge of Tazer. Let us follow him. His view of Shuske, his view of Blaaze, his view of Spike, Rarity, Twilight, Pinkie, etc.
Hopping from Spike to Rainbow Dash while they note at how amazing and unique the new guys are is one of the reasons they come off as Sueish as they do.

3. Every character should want something, even if it is only a glass of water.
Always, and this is one of the big failures. Your other characters aren't doing anything. Pinkie throws a party for the new comers, everyone shows up. They meet the new comers, everyone makes friends.
You're missing a great deal of potential in this. Perhaps it's a harvest season, and the entire Apple family can't make it. Perhaps Twilight was in the middle of research and this party is bothering her. Perhaps Rarity is working on a big order, and kind of rushing to get out of the instant party. Maybe Fluttershy is in the forest and misses the party entirely.
But no, most of the characters in this fic move as a single unit. All having the same goals at the same time for the same reason. There's no uniqueness to identify them as individuals. They're just a mass that exists to push the plot forward.

4. Every sentence must do one of two things — reveal character or advance the action.
Because you jump through characters often, you tend to repeat information to the reader. Spike and Rainbow Dash both stop what they're doing to ogle the new guys.
If you reverse the transaction, where the reader follows the new guys, this is reduced. They get odd looks coming into town (revealing more about their characters as they react) and everyone else moves in and out of their frame of reference.
Even just limiting the story to one person, like Spike would reduce this.

5. Start as close to the end as possible.
I don't know where your end is. But you don't start close to the end. You could probably cut the story down to them entering town at least. Everything before that is kind of backstory, which doesn't have meaning where the reader is concerned.

6. Be a sadist. Now matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them — in order that the reader may see what they are made of.
I didn't get far enough to see this, but keep it in mind. Horrible events make the reader more open to your character. Horrible back story isn't important.
Show us your characters overcoming the impossible, and people will love them even if they fail.
Tell us about their sad backstory, and we'll just blow it off until they do something with it. Put up or shut up more or less.

7. Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia.
Don't write to make reviewers happy. We complain about everything, so don't write to make us or readers happy.
Write to tell a good story, the good story is the important part. Clarity, understanding, and all that other stuff comes along with practice.

8. Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages.
You're probably not going to be able to finish, so don't hang your story on false suspense.
Make the events interesting and plausible. Let the reader know about the characters. Who they are and what they do.
Once the reader can understand your world, they can love it. If you shroud everything in mystery, it's hard to follow. A story you don't understand isn't likely to hold your attention.


> My characters I made got flaws, plenty of them. They don't have dark and mysterious pasts, they don't got special powers, they don't go emo at every turn, they're just there.
And the most horrible twist of all. All that stuff doesn't make a character a Sue or not.

Don't doubt it, that stuff will set off a Mary Sue detector like crazy, but the reason these guys come off as Mary Sues is because of how the characters that we do know about treat them.

They get special attention and treatment from the canon characters for being there. And that's disturbing.
If your OCs are so important to the story, why are the canon characters there?
If you can, and if you want to think about it, try to figure out why each character is in each chapter you have, and how it applies to the story as a whole.

Spike visits Rarity because he's lusting after her. But why do your OCs visit Rarity?
Why does Rainbow Dash attack them? Because it's funny and works with the plot, or is it just because you need them to meet Rainbow Dash?
Why do your OCs need to meet Twilight? Can you cut that scene from the story? Do you need them to know Twilight later? Can they just meet Twilight when there's some logical reason to meet her, rather then 'Because they're the Mane Six'?

Whole chunks of your introductory story don't seem to matter to your plot. It's cliche Pinkie Parties, and Fashion, and unnatural interest in two characters for very weakly described reasons.

They need a direction, and the reader needs to understand why that direction is important to the story as a whole.

Then you need to be willing to cut characters that have little to no reason to be involved.
If Pinkie doesn't add anything, leave her on the cutting room floor. If Fluttershy isn't there to add to the conversation, keep her from saying anything.
Why on Earth would Applejack, at a party and slightly drunk, let Rainbow Dash speak for her?
>> No. 114990
>>114967
That's actually.... a very good point. I just thought the apple joke would be a cute nod, but if it really has that effect it's plot non-essential. I'm not sure whether I can tone down Pudding's pinkieness, because the play had lines she was reading, there was only so far that that character was Pinkie. However if looking more closely at this can make it less, as you say "jaw dislocatingly boring" then it's worth a shot".
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>>114967
But--but it's heresy and madness!

Nah, just kidding. I just liked the thought of Rarity "Iron Mare" Stark and Seattle throwing down.

The whole Best/Worst Pony thing is interesting for me from a writing standpoint. I look forward to finding out if I have the mettle to keep my story from being all about Best Pony Rarity, and whether I can really get into he head of Least Bestest Pony Dash. Haven't gotten to find out yet as they both start off benched for story purposes.

Also, thanks for posting Vonnegut's rules--they should come in handy.
>> No. 115077
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/42768/Chef%27s-dad-goes-to-Ponyville

Please note that I've already been made aware of grammatical errors.
>> No. 115079
>>115077
So... Uh... Are you asking MintyRest to review it, or...?
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>>115079
Probably is.

Probably assumes I'll hop on to FiMfic to pull the information

>>114990
Basically look really closely at it. It's historical, so make it yours.
Make it history, it needs to seem like it happened. Real ponies, really interactions. It may end up less comedy, but that's fine. Keep to the story you want to tell.
The plot of the story seemed to want to go some where. Do that part more if you can.
>> No. 115124
>>115086
Thanks man. Really good feedback that I can apply both to this and my other stories. Brohoof
>> No. 115358
Hello, author of a story that has been requested a review here (An Inevitable Conclusion), I just wanted to say that I'll be abroad for the next week or two, so if a review is posted of my work and there is no response you will know it is not out of lack of appreciation for the time and effort you put in to reading my work!
>> No. 115581
I'd like my story, "Spike vs the Marmite", removed from the queue please. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>> No. 115827
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115827
The tale grows in the telling...

In an effort to avoid accusations of false advertising, I figured I'd let you know that Ponystar Celestia now weighs in at 36,080 words.
>> No. 115841
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I read this one a while ago, but then work happened. Go fig. Sorry for the delay.

By definition you did start in media res very effectively. Luna versus dragon is a very impressive transaction.
... But it doesn't really have anything to do with the story you're writing.

Which is technically fine, as this entire chapter doesn't seem to have much to do with the story you're writing either.

This is a perfectly good prologue, and a perfectly good set up for a much deeper story. Maybe I've spent a little too much time on /tg/, but it seems like the back story for an RPG more than a story I would read. Possibly even touching on that minor hint you set up that Applebloom was possibly in the royal guard.

So you've got a good style, a good story; but you've set up so many different 'possibly' and 'maybe' that I can't tell where this story is going.
I would have to read more to know if I'd want to continue reading, and without that I won't remember anything about your story if I just read the first chapter.
It'll end up in the pile of things that I wish were continued, but I don't remember what it was called.

Because the version of this story where Luna is a one pony army is completely different than the version where Luna and Shining Armor join forces. This is also different than the version of the story rife with political intrigue from Cadence's point of view, or the version where the Cutiemark Crusaders meet up and form a new mercenary corp.
And if you try to run all of those stories at once, the whole thing has the potential to become a big confusing ball.

I'm sure this will be fine on EqD... Once you get two or three more chapters so people know what they're signing in to.

I'm sure you know what you're doing with Spike, right?
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It's really hard to get into this story.

I don't have anything against non-chronological order, that's not what bothers me here. I understand that you're showing the event through different points of view.

You're just showing an event that hasn't happened through so many different points of view, it's hard to figure out where the story actually is.

Scootaloo – Twilight – Sweetie Belle – Twilight – Applebloom – Rarity?! - Twilight

Your selection of character order seems to be based a bit more on whim than narrative consistency. It makes it hard to follow a story where I'm not sure *if* you have a protagonist.
It would make sense if it was Twilight, but you start the story off with post apocalyptic Scootaloo? But Scootaloo isn't really important to any part of the story as far as I can tell.
Sweetie's the battery, Applebloom is the inventor, and Scootaloo is there...

By the way, Aydric Shade? Not a pony name.
Mainly the 'Aydric' part. No self respecting equine parent would name their kid Aydric. This is a world where 'Tinka Tinka Too' is a perfectly viable name, and Aydric is like what you would name someone's ferret, or a goblin or something. Not a unicorn who's expected to pay taxes.

I hesitate before trying to cast it, this spell was written by a madpony, a traitor to his land, I have no idea what it even does, his most violent spells were banned from practice in Equestria, everything says I shouldn't do this...
Twilight, mistress of magic and doctorate candidate, casting spells she knows she shouldn't... for reasons! This is contrived, but not the end of the world. It's just pretty forced. And clearly lampshaded. Possibly too lampshaded.

So at the end of your first chapter, no events have taken place. No foreshadowing, nothing that's breakout/amazing or vital to a longer story.
Twilight used a spell she didn't understand to get a magical effect that has been seen in this fandom a number of times before (I've personally seen it on Colgate/Romana twice, and once on Sweetie) because the plot contrived her need to have it.
Applebloom built a time machine (off camera) and we're told Sweetie was a walking weapon of mass destruction. Nothing actually takes place except reflection and internal panic.

You don't really describe much of anything. I have no idea what Applebloom built, because by the time you jump into her persona, she's not thinking like 'wastelands inventor' anymore. I have no idea what Sweetie is capable of, because you only show me her devout girlfriend side. Twilight is an idiot.

So it may actually help your story to... consolidate your ministories into chapters of their own? Show me chapter one through Applebloom's point of view from beginning to end. Next chapter show me Twilight's chapter one, beginning to end.
Let me have a character long enough for them to actually be a character, so I can understand who they are. When you jump away into other points of view so frequently, it makes it hard to connect to any character, which makes it hard to understand why any part of the story seems to matter in the greater scale.
>> No. 115913
>>115841
Thank you very much for the review.

> Maybe I've spent a little too much time on /tg/, but it seems like the back story for an RPG more than a story I would read.
I think I see what you mean.

> Possibly even touching on that minor hint you set up that Applebloom was possibly in the royal guard.
That was not intended. Whoops. What gives off that hint?

> And if you try to run all of those stories at once, the whole thing has the potential to become a big confusing ball.
You raise an interesting point here. I'll make sure to be careful as I've read stories like this before and I know how bad they turn out. There is the one main plot line, i.e. Luna trying to get Celestia back, the rest is really going to be addressed as the fic continues. I attempted to create a vast world to hook readers and then fill it in as I go. Is it working for you?

> Im sure this will be fine on EqD... Once you get two or three more chapters so people know what they're signing in to.
Funnily enough, this fic was actually turned down for its style. Whoever preread it wasn't fond of the choppy narrative and short sentences and issues with show vs tell. Also some grammar issues which have since been fixed.

> I'm sure you know what you're doing with Spike, right?
Eeyup. He died near the beginning of Equestria's war with the dragons, something I haven't even touched upon yet. Gosh, this all sounds slightly crazy.
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>>115913
> That was not intended. Whoops. What gives off that hint?
Look at the Royal Guard in the series. They're usually unicorn or pegasi.
Look at the only Royal Guard member you actually describe: a butch, yellow female earth pony with a strawberry mane

Considering the ten year time jump, and assorted character shifting; plus the fact this is chapter one in a story, so everything should have greater meaning, this would increase your number of identifiable characters to 3. Luna, Cadence, and the unnamed guard. Which gives her certain degrees of importance.

> I think I see what you mean.
Your first chapter is set to establish an Equestria on the brink of civil war. Luna has stepped down, Cadence is the monarch, and the main characters are missing.
It's a fine and dandy set up, but there's too much potential there for it to be a story just yet.

> I attempted to create a vast world to hook readers and then fill it in as I go. Is it working for you?
Ehh, you're better off than some of the people that have attempted that.
On the other hand, like I've said, you've created a world so vast, it lacks focus. That's what I would want to see in a chapter two, a narrowing down of the plot threads.
Vast worlds are nice. Unique characters are nicer. You have a world, but there's no characters to populate it yet.

> Funnily enough, this fic was actually turned down for its style. Whoever preread it wasn't fond of the choppy narrative and short sentences and issues with show vs tell.
And again, I say I would need to see further chapters to decide. There's jerky narrative and the sentences were disturbingly short at times.
But that's all revision stuff, there's people that do that work all the time. The underlying world was interesting, but you didn't show me enough of it to know what you wanted to do with the world.

> Gosh, this all sounds slightly crazy.
That feeling is normal. World building is a messy, bloody process.
On the plus side, it means things won't go off rails later on.

On the down side, if you don't let the reader in on the world in your head, they're going to give up on your story, and make their own.
>> No. 115927
>>115926
Okay, thanks. I've got a lot to be thinking about.
>> No. 115947
>>104134

Title: Land Once Forbidden

Tags: [Human] [Sad] [Romance] [Adventure] [Slice of Life]

Summary: A fourteen year old boy filled with despair over his life-long bout with illnesses and inability to go outside wishes nothing but for the illness to go away. During the night of his fourteenth birthday he receives a telescope and witnesses a comet passing the Horsehead Nebula. After making a wish to be healthy he falls asleep and dreams of happiness but awakes in a strange place unfamiliar to him as a pony the likes none have seen. The mane six try to help him cope with his new life while Celestia and Luna research a way to send him home. When the time comes will he want to go home or will something or somepony make him stay?

Author Notes: I'm trying to tell the story from his recollection up until his birthday where the story shifts to present time.

Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HF743apu-TRk5KgUlRnc1n949a3f29IGlQFa7K2-d7E/edit

Fimfiction: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/42752/Land-Once-Forsaken
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>>115947
How quick a review? Because your synopsis needs to be closer to a story that doesn't fill me with dread.

You've got an over abundance of tags, the ever present focus on the human character (plus the clear threat of a romance), and very few sane people will want to read that.

Human in Equestria stories are less well received than Zombie Fluttershy and Cutie Mark Crusader Septic Tank Pumping. Combined.
I know this, because Zombie Fluttershy is adorable, and I'd love to see CMC/Dirty Jobs fusions. You'd need to have your story less like Boy in the Bubble, and more... Substantive?
It sounds like a character study of a fourteen year old who wakes up an alicorn (or some equivalent there in). I don't like fourteen year olds, or people that stumble into great power, or humans that fall into fictional worlds where they become great heroes.

Read this post: >>114972
Really read it. You refer to the Mane Six as a single unit in your synopsis, and to quote my OP: If allegedly main characters are there to be scenery, I will most likely be coming at you with more rage than I think you can handle.
Celestia and Luna appear to be set pieces in your story about Magic Cancer Boy, and his amazing adventure.

... Oh, wait. Did you want me to open it too?

>>115927
It never hurts to help. ^^
>> No. 116013
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>>Your Queue
>Bastle Tar Pony?
Not sure if taking the piss or just sleep deprived. Either is fine, but now I'm all curious.

But yes, Ponystar Celestia is something of a crossover with Battlestar Galactica.

I include the qualifier because there are no humans, Cylons, or Vipers, and the story isn't set in space. I'm trying to keep things realistic* and plausible.

*Given that we're already talking about sentient pastel equines with varying magical abilities.
>> No. 116025
>>116005

Thanks for the quick review, I do have the mane six tagged as they all play a role in keeping him a secret from the town. He's fallen into power however it is power gained from remnants of Discord's Magic. The next chapter I had it planned for him to lose all his power on Hearth Warming Eve. Later on the Elemnts of Harmony being used near him also cause him to lose his powers and I'm thinking of making it almost kill him.
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I forgo to ask this of Applejinx when he reviewed my work, and I wound up regretting it, so:

If you refer to enemy agents by name while reviewing Ponystar Celestia, please spoiler-tag said names.

That probably sounds like the height of arrogance, and if so I apologize. It's just that I would hate for somepony to want to read my work only to be turned off by spoilers.

Pic related? I suppose that depends on how this post sounded to you.
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>Saged so as not to be Count Bumpula.

So I was ironing my polo shirts when unpleasant thoughts occured to me, as they tend to do.

>My fic currently has a song in it. One song, but it's a song nonetheless.
>You hate songfics.
>I might have a problem.

Now, I'd glossed over that before. After all, one song does not a songfic make, right? I mean, it's there for reasons and everything!

Still, my polo paranoia grew and I felt driven to return to the scene of the crime this thread.

Is one song enough to incur your musical hatred? If so: please remove Ponystar Celestia from your queue, with my apologies. If not... Uh... Carry on?
>> No. 116679
>>116379
No. I got that far. And I hated it, as expected. Gut stabbing annoyance.
But I finished your first act. All that's left is recompiling the whole thing into a logical pile.
Putting together reviews are hard, srsly. (sarcasm, don't worry about that yet.
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>>116679
Ah-heh-heh-heh... Heh...

Here I'd been, priding myself on not derping any of your requirements... Again, I'm sorry about that. Happily, there are no songs in Night 2.

I hope that that was the only part that you hated. Lol unwarranted optimism. Either way, I'm looking forward to finding out and growing as a writer.
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Mintyyyyyy. Your inbox. Check it. I've got chapter three about wrapped and could use thine eye. Cheers mate.
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>>117067
Anyone else, man, I swear--!

But I can't get mad at you for having a VIP pass, because I needs me some Sweetaloo I'm so well-mannered.
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Hi Minty! How're you doing?

I've got a fic that I'd like you to take a look at, if you have the time. Information below.

Title: Glitched
Tags: [Sci-Fi][Dark]
Word Count: 8,854
Summary: When Twilight becomes trapped in a time loop on the week of her brother's wedding, she makes up her mind to escape, stop the changelings, and save the royal couple in the process. But as the loops go on, her mind and the minds of her friends will be driven to the brink. After all, when you’re whirling through eternity, one more step might be all that’s needed to fall into the darkness—forever.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J5mfEGcXXGrTlOao8T2pE0BH-II_C-zoFblQBaO1ojk/edit
Native Language: AMURIKAN

I've already submitted this to Applejinx for a onceover, and I'll be putting it in SLP/Garnots' review thread as well. Feel free to let completely loose on this thing, because I want this chapter (and story) to be the best it can possibly be!

Thanks again!
-GV
>> No. 117120
You can remove my story from your queue. I managed to find someone who could review it.
>> No. 117123
>>117120
Oh? thank Methuselah. One less thing I need to write up. Noted, but I did read it, so if you have any questions, I can answer it. But I was really trying to pin down why it was so hard to get attached to anything that was happening.

Functionally all the characters should have been sound, but there was a wall keeping the story from being engaging. Best of luck.
>> No. 117125
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>>113432

Off the bat. I skipped your first section.
I mean, I read it, just none of the data registered. With the synopsis I was given, that scene just stood out as... currently unimportant. In the future, it'll be clear, but as for your first chapter, it's a bit... vague.
Would moving it to the end of the chapter change any part of your story really? Because while it's an artistic starting point, it's also a very bland starting point. The reader has no characters to work with yet, only a 'he', and 90% of the Mary Sues in this fandom just happen to be male. It may scare readers away.

Plus starting with Trixie seems a much stronger starting point in my biased opinion. (My bias is against Trixie if you don't recall)

Though your title is really underwhelming considering the depths in which you seem to want to take this work. I know it's a play on Braid, but tails are much more varied than a single way in which to style hair. And it makes it really hard to keep track of your story once I'm not looking directly at it. You may want to add a colorful subtitle to make it a little more memorable.

Your sentences seem a little short and stilted, which could be resolved by liberally applying commas until people start begging you to stop. That said, your character interactions are sweet, and could gather this story a strong following if you build on that.

Why does Twilight not like Trixie? Why would she care about her enough to dislike her?

Now, as for your core story: I have one question that I'd like to have answered. Are you writing this story without the 'mane six'? I certainly hope so.

You set up the crux of the adventure here:
Unfortunately, you and your friends will be unable to obtain this cure on your own, for ponies such as yourselves are unable to endure the intensity of the chaos at those depths. The Elements of Harmony will be rendered powerless as well, which is why I did not send them to you.
Which creates the question of why.
You and the other Spirits of Harmony will need to be guided by those who have what is necessary to brave the perils of Tartarus.
Seriously, why?
You've established that normal ponies would be driven insane. You've established that the Elements of Harmony are actually neutralized by simply being there. You've established that individuals of discord can brave the chaos just fine on their own.

In a story that could be about Blueblood, Trixie, and co, redeeming themselves for a cause, their flaws merging for a greater good; you give a plot that seems to twist it.
It becomes about the mane six + entourage, going on an adventure in hell.

So... 12-13 characters on a breathtaking adventure where no one learns anything, and not much is achieved. And no time to focus on any character, because you're busy bouncing between Pinkie/Pinkamina and Rarity hanging traveling with Gilda, rather than a story focusing on Gilda becoming a better person because of the quest she's been given.

Even that aside, if Celestia was dying, and Twilight had the choice of being by her side through it, which option do you think she'd rather do? But that might just be me.
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>>115077
I do understand that you are ignoring grammatical errors.

I'm even ignoring your comedy punch line.

But you do know you're writing Twilight way out of character, right? Way out of character.
Take the most charismatic person you can think of? Like a politician, or Oprah, or anybody. Now invert them. That's about Twilight.
If given the option to say the wrong thing, she'll say it. If she shouldn't be reacting with anger, then she will. She's beloved because she's such a failure of a main character.

If I replace the Twilight you have in this story with Strawberry Shortcake, the story is mostly unchanged, it's just lamer (because of Strawberry Shortcake).

If the character you used was some OC, I wouldn't have this problem. Celestia even? That would make sense. It's just off for Twilight, and that brings the story to a crashing halt.

Because otherwise, there's nothing more to your story. It's a chef's dad joke with the open slot at the end filled by a magical unicorn using magic technology.
It doesn't need to be more, but it doesn't need to be Twilight either.
>> No. 117131
>>117123

> Not engaging.

Can't please everyone. What one person loves, another person hates.

Anyways, review on!
>> No. 117138
>>117125

Thanks for the input! I'll be sure to take all that stuff into account.

>Off the bat. I skipped your first section. I mean, I read it, just none of the data registered.

Well, we're off to a wonderful start!

The vagueness was intentional, the feeling of unimportance was not. I was trying to emulate the little level-symbolism-explanation sequences from Braid, but I guess the fact that I didn't say who 'he' is makes things a lot less engaging.

I guess I'll be moving it to the end of the chapter, then. Right-o.

>Why does Twilight not like Trixie? Why would she care about her enough to dislike her?

Twilight doesn't dislike Trixie. She is, however, very annoyed with her for understandable reasons. I wasn't trying to express resentment or hatred, just contextual anger. If I failed to draw that distinction, I'll be happy to make a change.

>Are you writing this story without the 'mane six'? I certainly hope so.

Eh... No, they're in there.

>You've established that normal ponies would be driven insane. You've established that the Elements of Harmony are actually neutralized by simply being there. You've established that individuals of discord can brave the chaos just fine on their own.

>And no time to focus on any character, because you're busy bouncing between Pinkie and Rarity traveling with Gilda, rather than a story focusing on Gilda becoming a better person because of the quest she's been given.

While I was outlining this story, I had that exact thought. I was scared that, due to the number of protagonists in my story, characterization would be spread far too thin. So I worked extra hard to make sure that everyone would develop constantly and consistently throughout the story; juggling is kept to a minimum.

As for that first point, you're right. The way that I explained Tartarus in that letter does make it sound like the mane six won't be able to safely make the trip, and that they'd all be better off at home.

...which is why I am now going to change the contents of the letter.

I bet you're wondering why I'm so insistent on including the mane six in this journey. Well, here's why:

(And this is actually a pretty huge spoiler.)

Luna didn't write the letter that Twilight received. That letter was actually written by a recently re-awakened Discord, who intercepted the letters Luna actually sent; one letter telling Twilight to assemble the crew and stop Discord once more, and six to explain the situation to the guides.

See, the chaos of Tartarus is like a cross between cocaine and steroids to a draconequus, but Discond can't reach every nook and cranny without the help of the guides to Tartarus. On top of that, he wouldn't be able to take over Equestria with the mane six in the way, so he decided to lure them to a place where they would be weak, and convinced them to leave their greatest weapon, the elements of harmony, behind. The panacea and the plague, while existent, were just convenient excuses.


>If Celestia was dying, and Twilight had the choice of being by her side through it, which option do you think she'd rather do?

Not dying. Dead. "I fear she may have passed by the time you read this."

I guess I'd better change that to "She will have almost certainly passed by the time you read this."

>going on an adventure in hell

Tartarus is actually only part of the journey. The first several chapters take place in various locations outside of Equestria, all in search of the other guides to Tartarus.

I guess I should change the synopsis a bit, huh?


>your title is really underwhelming

How about...

Tail: A Story of Time and Forgiveness
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>>104134

Hey, so I'm not sure how to go about getting my story in the queue, since I can't edit the gdoc.

Anywhoozle

I'm a native English speaker.

Story Title: Dead Cat Bounce
Tags: Fallout Equestria, Comedy, Sci-Fi


Synopsis:

Less than a century after the megaspells, the Equestrian Wasteland had entered a Renaissance. A couple decades later, they managed to screw it all up again. This time it wasn’t nukes that destroyed society. There was no war, just a bunch of crabs in a bucket, acting rationally in their own best interest at every step down the road to hell.

It might be past the point of no return, but it’s by no means over. Witness the slow slide into decay. Witness the final years of post-apocalyptic peace.

Will Oscar Charlie and his companions stop pecking at each other’s eyes for long enough to recognize what’s happening? Probably not. A story about a trainwreck, told from the perspective of four ponies squabbling over a graham cracker in the dining car.

Chapter 1 (3.7k words):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17D6Ahg1mnlXuaRc5Vy6quti102zM9kbj5k1nc9iGvNM/edit

Chapter 2 (17k words):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DFaRAole_KK8AwGvtGDqQNU90zGk6Vm7Hc9uLui8d0k/edit

invisiblefoals@fallout-equestria.com

Many thanks.
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>>117131
> Anyways, review on!
Back on my things to do list. I'll figure it out, no problem. I've been bouncing it around every few hours regularly myself. I really need to talk it out with Pinkie Anon to figure out what's not latching in for me. The components seem to be there, it's just missing some aspect.

>>117138
> The vagueness was intentional, the feeling of unimportance was not.
Well, for all the symbolism at play, it doesn't really pay off in the later scene with Blueblood and the meeting he's involved with (who I have to assume it's about later as there's not too many male characters to refer to in the first chapter). Distant symbolism is nice, but you haven't really started the story yet. This feels like the prologue and the starting reflection scene is out of place with the other 90% of the chapter that's all interaction and conversation. It's like you start with the complete inverse of everything you do for most of the story. If you put it more towards the middle, or fit it in the next chapter, all the pieces will have more meaning, but where it is it's kind of forgettable, and may even turn off some readers seeing third person written so detached right off the back.

> Twilight doesn't dislike Trixie.
Twilight sighed heavily. “Honestly, Trixie? No. I don’t like you at all. But I don’t hate you either,
You did put that line in you know. It's a bit... cold, even for Twilight to declare that she doesn't like anyone 'at all'. And I still don't understand why she would dislike her in the first place.
It's a trick combined with the word 'Honestly'. When you use 'Honestly', you imply the character has been lying previously. Combined with the bluntness of the statement, and that Twilight was not the member of the group who wanted Trixie run out of town, it's hard to see where she would say something like that about a pony she met very few times, and never really had an open conversation with.

> I was scared that, due to the number of protagonists in my story, characterization would be spread far too thin.
Hold on to that fear. You're working a large number of characters at once, if you think you've got it under control, be sure to double check yourself. Just in case.
As I've learned from comics, every character is someone's favorite character. So you don't want to throw a character in and just ignore them because it's more convenient for the plot.

> ...which is why I am now going to change the contents of the letter.
That will help. Like I said, the letter is the main reason I'd be against such a large cast. It does pretty clearly state: 'You'll probably die if you go, send these other guys. Oh and go with them.'

> Big Spoiler
Sounds fun. Like I said, changing the letter would help assist that plot line a whole lot.

> Tail: A Story of Time and Forgiveness
It stands out much more strongly to me like that. But again, that's my opinion.

>>117141
> Hey, so I'm not sure how to go about getting my story in the queue, since I can't edit the gdoc.
Current process is a matter of making the post here, like you did.
Then I manually add you to the list, and download rtf or txt copies of your story depending on the medium and read them on a mobile device at my leisure as if I have free time.
When I get a free block of time, I write up everything I can in what I hope is coherent words, answer any questions you might have, etc/etc, then you have more to work with. I hope.

The queue is over at http://derpy.me/MintyQueue
If a story is marked in yellow, I've started reading it to some degree, green means that I'm either working on currently or have completed a review.
Reds are rejected or pulled. White means I've just added them, so no time for a preliminary skim yet.

... more or less.
>> No. 117166
>>115857
Thanks for the review!

You've given me a lot to think about and valuable constructive criticism for whenever I return to this project. I'm just glad you haven't found (or at least pointed out) much wrong on the technical side of things! I'm new to fiction writing so I find all feedback very useful, thanks again for your time and response.
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>>117078
>> No. 117175
>>117145

>It's a bit... cold, even for Twilight

Yeah, that's true. I'll be sure to change the scene a bit.

>but where it is it's kind of forgettable

I've moved it to the end of the chapter.

>you don't want to throw a character in and just ignore them because it's more convenient for the plot

I'll keep that in mind. I'm already doing some re-outlining to make sure that everyone clearly develops, even if that development is seen through the eyes of a different character.

Again, thanks for all your help. You'll probably see chapter two in a little while, so brace yourself!
>> No. 117190
>>117141

>There was no war, just a bunch of crabs in a bucket, acting rationally in their own best interest at every step down the road to hell.

Wow that is one hell of a mixed metaphor.
>> No. 117194
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>>115947
I read a large amount of questionable materials. Often I end up in a situation where something I think is brilliant and simply love is too much for others. There are some romance stories that I'll swear by that make people near and dear to me violently ill if I start to describe them.
I'm not allowed to talk about fics I've read at the dinner table.

That disclaimer in place, I must state: This story is textbook. ( http://youtu.be/I96lXa3aVuQ )
It's so textbook I can't actually read it. Because I've read it before. At least I think I've read it before.

Part 1 - Pity Party for Main Character
1a - Causes parental divorce
1b - Innocently innocent
End Part 1 - Possible Death?
Part 2 - Pinky Party for Main Character
2a - Mane Six drop anything they might be doing otherwise to welcome new comer.
2b - Matriarchal rulers show up to greet new comer
2c - New comer is super special awesome. Also he has no cancer now, and may already be hot for Luna Thor.

This is the part where Minty jumps ship however. This story is, with a very small ratio for error, never going anywhere that I would want to see. While it's wonderful that you want to write, and your form is pretty nice for this sort of fic, it's not the sort of fic most people would want to read after reading fics for about six months.

It doesn't do anything. It's a self congratulatory pile of self inflicted challenges and brain melting characterization. Of the wide assortment of materials I've promised to read, and would like to read, this isn't one of them.

A story should be about a story. A series of events should occur for a reason, leading to a goal of some sort. This story isn't about that.

This story, from what I could read, is about cancer boy.
That's it. Every character exists to revolve around in his little bubble world. It fails fundamental structural necessities that would be expected in any other story. Antagonists? Challenges? Anything you'd throw at the young alicorn is going to come off as contrived. There's no real growth or progression. He literally just wakes up as a pony, and everyone is fine with this.

You're not even playing with his boy in the bubble status, or his parent issues. You're doing nothing with it.

I mean, there's a slim chance you're not writing the same fic that's been written regularly for years. You might have something new to bring to the table. Your intro is so trite, I can't make myself continue on to the end of part one of your prologue.
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>>114365

There's lots of little things making this story hard to attach to. I'll try to go line by line but I can't promise anything.

Firstly, you open your story up with a scene with as much color as one would give a tax collector making his rounds. The reader has no idea who 'Overcast' is, and even less to work with on 'the mine boss'.

You don't have to tell us the color palate, hair style, and cutie mark of every character you introduce. The reader is actually really good at filling in for background ponies. Give us their personalities. Quirks. Anything that implies that before they entered this scene they had some sort of life they plan to get back to.

> Overcast neatly stacked the papers from the chair
This line presents unique issues in this particular fandom as the bulk of OCs lack thumbs and roughly a third (half) have telekinesis to make up for that deficit. And by this point in the story, we don't know how 'Overcast' could do any of this.
In other fandoms you can usually assume that the OC insert character is at least human...

> Your workers had been disappearing,
Have been. It's still happening I have to assume.

> so the C.E.O. of this operation appealed to Princess Celestia to send an investigation
One starts an investigation, or sends an investigator.

> Overcast leaned forward and threw the bottle of cider against the bookshelf behind the desk. The mine boss jumped and hiccuped.
This is just odd. For little reason this Overcast guy throws a bottle. Then after a short break the mine boss jumps. This should probably be one sentence. Cause and effect. Something to junction the two actions into a single, smooth, related movement.

> “Personal student of Princess Celestia, by any chance?”
Good thing everyone knows Twilight on mention. There's no other purple mares in Equestria. Sorry Cheerilee, Berry Punch, and anyone else with that coat shade. Even ignoring the dye jobs.


Why do all the characters seem to exist only to give Overcast something to interact with? It's like the writing version of playing squash with yourself. And it's fundamentally really dull to read:

Overcast: Tell me what I want to know.
Back Ground Character: Here you go.
Overcast: I'll grill you more.
BGC: No problem, here you go.

You've got back and forth, with no element of back and forth. You need color. You need a world. You need to start with something that doesn't make the reader want to commit ritual suicide.

> Don’t bother, my father was a cartographer and he taught me how to read maps like that one over on the wall.
It's like an exposition cherry on top of a cardboard sundae!
In shorter terms, ugh. That' was too much information that didn't matter. A 'I can haz map' is sufficient. I kind of assume a special agent (who has yet to be introduced) can perform basic skills required for his job.

Do you HAVE other characters in this story? Or are they only there to give someone for Overcast to talk at?

> “Oh my gosh! I’m so sorry!” She gulped and looked back at the other mare. “This place is just so scary that I’ve been jumping at the slightest things. Luckily, I wasn’t that deep into the spell yet or who knows what would have happened!”

Huh... This is your introduction of Twilight Sparkle, main character of some renown... That's a let down. All your characters are kind of sad and pathetic, and not in the endearing way. Just in the annoying way that fanfics get when you're too busy making the OC important in comparison to everyone else.

> “Whoa! What are you talking about, Dash?”
Dialog from Twilight? Twilight Sparkle?! Are we still talking about the same person here?

> The wait for a cutie mark in infiltration was well worth the wait.
Say this out loud. Then say it again. Then say the word 'wait' five times. Then figure out a way to never have this sentence appear.

My opinion of course.

How to fix this? Start with action. Start with something that isn't sitting around shuffling papers. Start with the zombie attack, and flash back to the necessary boring set up as it progresses. Cut out the backstory. Save it for chapter two at the earliest.

Have backstory for all your other cannon fodder characters. Sure they're cannon fodder, but they should have parents, siblings, hopes, and dreams. That way your need to have detailed background for Overcast doesn't seem so glaringly out of place compared to the other characters who just seem to be there with 'Zombie Food' cutiemarks.

Go through your story, and change about one third of the periods into commas. This story is plodding along way too slowly for as much action as their should be, and the fact you over punctuate is actually hurting the story's pacing.

In my opinion of course.

Hard Mode Revisions:
Remove Overcast, replace his role with Twilight Sparkle entirely.
-or-
Remove Twilight and Rainbow Dash, replace with new OCs to achieve the same goals.

I'm sure you have some reason you can't do either of these two options because of some plot point in the future. But I'm betting you really couldn't defend it very well.

There's no reason you couldn't do one or the other besides the fact you desperately want to use those three characters.
>> No. 117216
>>117201

Thanks for the review. jackass.

It was unsolicited. I specifically asked it dropped from your queue and you dropped it. Why the hell did you pick it back up?
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>>117216
Why?

>>117123
>Anyways, review on!
Because you were kind of vague, bro.

Minty thought you wanted the review he'd worked on--gratis, in his free time--and so he posted it.

But no, spit on his work. Classy.
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>>117216

Uh, not to barge in here or anything, but maybe your ambiguous phrase
>Anyways, review on!
had something to do with it?

And what's with you? You're calling someone a jackass for trying to help you out? I saw that you ripped into Garnot, too, for not giving you the type of review you would have given yourself. Maybe you could try to act like a decent human being instead of venting your personal frustrations on innocent volunteers?
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Hello, Minty. It would be amazing if you could review the first chapter of my story. About a month or two ago, I submitted it to Seattle Lite because he was the grim/dark specialist. He told me I needed A LOT of practice, but he did like my idea. Unfortunately, I can't find his thread anymore so I was hoping you could review this. (I have been practicing)

[Title]: A Rainbow's Wrath
[Synopsis]: In the flutter of a wing, Rainbow Dash's dreams have crumbled right before her eyes. Now she wants revenge on the very thing that caused this to happen, the dream itself.
[Tags]: Grim, Dark
[Word Count]: 3043 (Chapter 1)
[Link]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ttbVMBRI1c3c7jCu5kw8y6i0CLvh7F1SdOaqp9ZN-aE/edit

[Native Language]: English

Thanks.
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ITT: reviewing a story submitted to your review thread makes you a jackass
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Minty, you're a fucking genius. Thanks..
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>>117216
> I specifically asked it dropped from your queue and you dropped it. Why the hell did you pick it back up?
Because >>117131 You ended with:
> Anyways, review on!
Which I took as 'Continue Reviewing Please'.
As I said, I already was working on the write up, it wasn't a huge thing to finish. I already put a few hours into figuring out the structure and possible suggestions.

Yes, I know it was under 6k, I still put multiple hours in to it. I put hours even into the smallest things. I think I read that entire thing five or six times just figuring out which parts were or were not working for me. I called in help, I read sections aloud, I got family members involved. I really don't think you understand how much time was put into it before you pulled it. So to continue actually took less energy than the alternative.

If you notice, >>117145 starts with:
> Back on my things to do list. I'll figure it out, no problem. I've been bouncing it around every few hours regularly myself.
So unsolicited or not, you even were given advanced notice that I had restarted on your review.

>>117166
Glad I can help. Hope I could point you in some things that you'd find interesting to think about at least.

>>117217
>>117219
>>117226
Thanks for the support guys, but it's cool. If he wants to vent this way, it's fine. Pinkie Anon actually warned me about this reaction too while I was doing the write up, so it's not entirely unexpected really.

>>117230
Good luck on that POV shift, and I'll take a look over it when we have some more time over the weekend.

...But I'm far from a genius.

And don't drink too much while you're at it.
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>>117248
It's actually done if you wanna have a look over.
Moving On chapter 3-
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BvW6BB-pm-OQT2fTt2QE-KOl2iLR8e-I_gOO_tTyMv0/edit?pli=1

Gonna be throwing it to fimfic tomorrow.

>And don't drink too much while you're at it.
How long have we known each other?


Good on ya for not letting bullshit get to ya btw.
>> No. 117252
>>117250

Full Disclosure:



I skimmed this for like five minutes and gave Seattle some basic grammar corrections. My contributions were not based in the prose itself, so it still has a a lot of work needed. Gods help you. You're going to need at least a couple.

>> No. 117254
>>117252
Next time I gotta get someone who doesn't try to get me to turn every other line into a clopfic. Honestly Cass, you're incorrigible.
>> No. 117256
>>117217
>>117226

Fine, there was plenty of miscommunication. And yes, I did spit on his work. How would you react if you've had two reviewers and a pre-reader all pushing you forward, telling you how close you are to having an acceptable chapter, and then suddenly Minty waltzes in and says, in essence, "Here's what's wrong with the story. It's deep and you're going to need huge revisions before it's acceptable. That, or you can completely scrap the character you made and start the story over.".

Right, I bet you'd feel like shit after that. And if you answered something like "No, I'd take his advice and whatnot.", go back and read my plight again. It hurts to have high expectations from a reviewer and they fail to even come close to what you've seen and come to expect from them in the past.

>>117248

Okay, fine. I'll defend myself.

> This line presents unique issues in this particular fandom as the bulk of OCs lack thumbs...
So? He can slide them together, which counts as stacking. He could slide one paper off the desk and then slide the rest on top. The point is, there are more ways to stack things than to pick them up. In this case, it's best left to the readers mind how he stacks them. It's a trivial point and wasted words if I have to explain every little action.

> Have been. It's still happening I have to assume.
Except I never mention more workers have been disappearing. I only mention the two batches. One could as easily assume that they've stopped and Overcast is now investigating the disappearance of those two groups. No where do I say that the disappearances are ongoing.

> You need to start with something that doesn't make the reader want to commit ritual suicide.
Gee, thanks. Was the beginning really that bad? Is NickNack so bad a pre-reader that he'd overlook a shitty beginning that makes readers want to kill themselves? That's just insulting.

> That' was too much information that didn't matter...
> ...can perform basic skills required for his job.
One, that's not too much information. It slips in some background knowledge about the OC without sitting down and having long narration for the sake of introducing the OC. It gives something for readers to relate to. It says, "The OC has a father. And get this, he learned his map reading skills from his father who was a cartographer.

Too much information would be "No thanks, I can read the map on my own. My father was a cartographer and taught me back when I was a foal back in Cloudsdale. He thought it would be useful.".

> Huh... This is your introduction of Twilight Sparkle, main character of some renown... That's a let down. All your characters are kind of sad and pathetic, and not in the endearing way. Just in the annoying way that fanfics get when you're too busy making the OC important in comparison to everyone else.
Defend yourself! You merely say, "your character is bad. She is bad because you're trying to make your OC important."

No duh I'm trying to make my OC important. He's the goddamn main character.

> Dialog from Twilight? Twilight Sparkle?! Are we still talking about the same person here?
I would hope so. If Twilight has no dialogue, then we have some real issues. Why wouldn't she speak to X character? I think you either meant to use something other than "dialog" or you just made an honest mistake.

> Start with action. Start with something that isn't sitting around shuffling papers.
Where? In the mines? That'd leave too many questions for a first chapter. Action is good, but the sort of questions left behind if I have the first chapter be an actiony beginning are worse.

They would go along the lines of "How did they get there? Why are they there? Who's the OC? What is the relation between the OC and Twilight/Dash?".

Dead Space itself didn't start with the action. It started with Isaac playing a message from his girlfriend. Then it progresses to this gal explaining what they're doing in deep space. They arrive at the ship, do some initial diagnostics, and then they finally see the first necromorph. Point is, even the game started with some "paper pushing".

Let's look at some good literature and see what they have as a beginning.

"Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone": Well, we start with Dumbledore turning out the lights. Then he has a conversation with McGonagall, explaining what happened. Then we get some action as Hagrid arrives, they drop Harry off, and the chapter ends. Very little "action" if you ask me.

"The Fellowship of the Ring": Starts off with Frodo explaining some stuff. Gandalf arrives. They have the party for Bilbo. Gandalf reveals some things about the ring and takes it from Bilbo, instructing Frodo to do some things. Again, not very much "action" if you ask me.

Hmm... sure, they had action, but if you'll notice, they all started off with some "paper pushing" to explain what was happening. Sure, they're also several hundred page books, unlike mine, but I do take the time to start the action earlier than they do. I'm sure I'll be just fine.

> Have backstory for all your other cannon fodder characters.
Yeah... but they're just that: cannon fodder. Taking the time in chapter one to give them a backstory is counterproductive. It's small exposition that just gets in the way of the action. They'll get their moment in chapter two when I can budget out words for them.

> This story is plodding along way too slowly for as much action as their should be
Changing a third of my periods into commas would hurt more than help. How would it help pacing to begin with? I fail to see that point. Clarity is key here.

> Remove Overcast, replace his role with Twilight Sparkle entirely.
You mean, rewrite the chapter. No, I shall not be rewriting the chapter. I have Overcast written in. I've given him reason to be there. I've given Twilight a reason to be there. Why would it need a rewrite based off characters? The question is, why do you suggest this? I have no reason to change it other than "Minty doesn't like Overcast".

> Remove Twilight and Rainbow Dash, replace with new OCs to achieve the same goals.
Then I might as well write just a Dead Space fan fiction and exclude MLP altogether. At the very least, look at it like this. They both have reasons to be there and it gives characters that the readers are familiar with. It turns the story from "Oh, a Dead Space fan fiction, why is it posted under a MLP website?" to "Oh! Dead Space and ponies. I wonder what this is all about!".

> you can't do either of these two options because of some plot point in the future. But I'm betting you really couldn't defend it very well.
They claim I spit on you. But they overlook the fact that you spit on me as well. Yes, I can defend my reasoning of characters and various points within the story. And I believe I have done so.

Oh, and before you go all apeshit on me and try to scream out "You're just defending your story because it's the natural response for authors!", consider this: I know what you'd mean by it. "I see my story as perfection, therefore it is perfection." No, I don't see it as perfection. I am well aware that there are errors. However, I am not defending this as a new author who's story "can't possibly be bad. It's the next best thing since sliced bread." I'm defending it as "I've had three other people review it, two of which I trust a whole lot of a hell more than you, and you're the only one that came up with a review as scything as yours."

Yes, I took your advice on some parts, but for the majority of it, I stuck with the reviewers I trust.
>> No. 117260
>>117217

I think you missed where he spit on me. You know, with the whole "You're going to defend your reasoning for these points because of some plot point further on in the story. But I don't think you can do it."

That's a slap in the face. That's insulting.

>>117123
If I am so in the wrong asking why he picked my story back up, do you care to explain this post? Oh look! It's a post saying he removed it from the queue and that he was grateful that he could. He even wishes me luck with my writing.

No where in that post does he say he'll review it. No where does he ask for clarification.

He has no excuse.
>> No. 117261
>>117226

It does when you specifically post saying that you've dropped the story.
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>>117260
>>117216
>>117261
>>117219
>>117226
>>117256
I'm convinced at this point it would've been more polite (and wise) to ignore Minty's "unsolicited" review altogether, just as everyone here could have ignored your unbidden griping. Nevertheless, it seems that whenever you expresses disagreement with criticism of your writing that you choose to be extremely ardent about it, and so you have once again graced /fic/ with a strip of proverbial drama flypaper. If the review was unsolicited, and you didn't really need it, then what exactly is it that you are doing in this thread? Do you think he is poisoning the well with regard to perception of your fanfic or something? Sheesh.
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>>117261
I'm taking this class right now. It's mainly about project and team management. It's quite awful, frankly. I mean, it's an engineering topic. They keep trying to tell me computing is a lot like engineering, but all these engineering types really bother me. I dunno, man.

So anyway, in this class right, they're trying to get us make these things called "decision matrixes [sic]". It's something about risk analysis or somesuch. (Yeah, it really is one of of those classes.)

Now, what I thought we might do is, is we make us up a risk analysis matrix for this here situation that you were in. I can't draw pretty pictures so good on these Internets, though, so I think I'll just write it out. (I never liked matrices anyway. Always those arithmetic errors that get you...)

Situation – the dirty skank MintyRest hath reviewed your work with unadulterated fervour and bile. Fifty lashing ought to be a suitable punishment—now if only those damn left-wingers weren't such a nuisance.

Possible responses
a) Call MintyRest a jackass
b) Politely let MintyRest know that you appreciate the effort but that it was fruitless

Now I think I'm supposed to fill in the risk analysis and return on investment (I think that's the term they used) for each response. (Actually, we lose marks if we don't have at least four responses in the matrix, so maybe we should fill in a few more first...) I see good returns on calling Minty a jackass for sure, but it is a whole lot of effort to write out those big text walls you got up there. Maybe we can add an option c) Do nothing?

No, no, that's no fun.

Of course, it's at this point in the assignment that I go back to watching Spongebob Squarepants, and leave the rest up to the reader.
>> No. 117276
>>117256
>>117260

Disregarding the fact that you seem to be all too eager to jump on people who's help you have solicited (regardless of whether or not you later requested they drop your piece), it seems like you are taking this far more personal than is healthy. By all means, be angry, frustrated, hurt, whatever. It shows you are invested in your work, and that's good. But do you really think Minty just invented problems in your story to make you feel bad? Okay, so you have other reviewers you trust more. But consider how many fics Minty reads. At this point, I imagine he has a pretty good idea of what to look for. I seriously doubt that the fics reviewed here get worse after the authors take Minty's advice into account. Ignoring it can only hurt you, so I'd suggest you take another look at your work, and ask yourself why Minty had these issues with it in the first place.

But hey, it's your call.
>> No. 117279
>>117270
He could always just say "Hey, I don't agree with you, here's why..." Then Minty could be like, "Well, whatevs, bro."
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>>117248
Okay, man. I'll respect your--
>>117256
>>117260
Aw heyall naw.

>How would you react if etc. etc.
You assume that there are only two repsonses: accept Minty's word as gospel or flip out on him.

Or you could do what I did.

The first--and so far only--person who's given me a review was Applejinx. I sought him out because I respect him.

He hated every word of my fic.

That stung, but I didn't call him a jackass react in an immature manner. I recorded his thoughts and suggestions, and when they clashed too hard with my pride I resolved to seek out other opinions. Such as Minty's.

You already had three people you respected patting you on the back, but you couldn't just grunt and shrug off Minty's scathing review?

What a drama queen.

>You missed the part where he spit on me.
What thread are you in?

I knew sod-all about Minty when I arrived on this board, but reading his thread showed me two things:

1) He doesn't require GDocs. Fuck GDocs.

2) Like Applejinx, he's not afraid to call out lousy writing.

I chose this thread because Minty came off as a hard-ass. The hottest forges produce the strongest steel, and though it's gonna hurt like a motherfucker I can't wait for my review because it will make me a better writer.

And if he agrees 100% with Applejinx? Well, there's always Minjask in the Training Grounds. If they all hate it in the same pride-crushing ways?

Then I guess I'll have to SRS the fuck up.

Because an adult either accepts advice or politely declines it, especially when they originally asked for it.
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>>117282
Or he could just go ahead and ban everyone in the /fic/ irc, leave a whiney-ass message as the room description and rage-quit. We shouldn't forget that option.
>> No. 117286
>>117284
Who's working on the risk-assessment matrix?

We gotta hand this one in by Monday.
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>>117256

Not that Minty's review needs any defense, but...

>It's a trivial point and wasted words if I have to explain every little action.

Y'know, it wouldn't take too much explaining to tell a reader how he stacked the papers. Just throw in "with magic" or "with his nose" or something.

>Now, where do I say that the disappearances are ongoing?

You didn't. But did you make it clear that the disappearances weren't ongoing? If not, you might want to.

>That's just insulting.

What's that? MintyRest said rude things about something he didn't like? Oh, man! Somebody check the temperature in hell, quick!

But, in all seriousness, did you submit your fic to this thread and expect him not to lay into it?

>It says, "The OC has a father. And get this, he learned his map reading skills from his father who was a cartographer.

Would somebody really say all those things about themselves without specific provocation? "I know a thing or two about map-reading" would suffice.

>No duh I'm trying to make my OC important. He's the goddamn main character.

Minty didn't just say "important." He said:

>important in comparison to everyone else

Or, to be more specific:

>All your characters are kind of sad and pathetic in the annoying way that fanfics get when you're too busy making the OC important in comparison to everyone else.

He means that your protagonist is getting a disproportionate amount of cool-ness, and he's kind of right. Twilight isn't as jumpy as you're making her out to be, nor is she as (openly) goofy.

>If Twilight has no dialogue, then we have some real issues.

...No. That's not what he meant. He meant that Twilight seems OoC, which she kind of does. The emphasis of his comment wasn't on "dialogue," it was on "Twilight Sparkle."

>"Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone": Well, we start with Dumbledore turning out the lights. Then he has a conversation with McGonagall, explaining what happened. Then we get some action as Hagrid arrives, they drop Harry off, and the chapter ends. Very little "action" if you ask me.

Yeah, there wan't much action, persay. But there was mystery, intrigue, and suspense. Also, a lot of questions were raised.

You should have an interesting scene first and foremost, then you're allowed to push paper.

>Yeah... but they're just that: cannon fodder. Taking the time in chapter one to give them a backstory is counterproductive.

You don't have to explain their backstory to the readers. Just make sure the characters have some depth. Every character should have depth, even if that depth isn't shown.

>Yes, I can defend my reasoning of characters and various points within the story. And I believe I have done so.

No, you really haven't. All you're doing is building yourself a bad rep by over-reacting to harsh criticism.

Yeah, Minty spat on you. Birds fly, fish swim, cookies taste good, and MintyRest is mean.

The things Minty says to you are a test of your character. A test that you're currently failing.
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Please don't argue like this! Even if we have our differences, we should do our best to respect them. We all have hooves, you know.

Besides, this is a thread for reviews and dance parties!
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>>117292
Dance parties, you say?
http://ravingryan.ytmnd.com/
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>>117292
I do miss the dance parties. Oh well, once the reviews are done, then there will be dancing.

Oh boy, nothing like a giant flaming pile when you get home to unwind. The warm licking flames nipping at your heels. Let me see what I can actually address.

>>117256
> How would you react if you've had two reviewers and a pre-reader all pushing you forward, telling you how close you are to having an acceptable chapter, and then suddenly Minty waltzes in and says, in essence, "Here's what's wrong with the story. It's deep and you're going to need huge revisions before it's acceptable. That, or you can completely scrap the character you made and start the story over."
That sweet, you think so highly of me. I simply state what what I think, all day, as often as possible. It's often not a popular opinion, but that's fine. It's my opinion.
If you disagree with it, please move on and continue in your course knowing I will not be able to assist you. There's nothing really to be gained obsessing over it. As you said in: >>117131
>What one person loves, another person hates.

>In this case, it's best left to the readers mind how he stacks them. It's a trivial point and wasted words if I have to explain every little action.
If this was chapter two, or ten pages in, I would agree with you. But this was still very early on. First scene even. I, as a reader, was still trying to figure out what Overcast was, and that little bit of color could have helped. One thing you don't realize is that I thought he was a unicorn up until he started flying about half way through the first chapter.

While not focusing on what color he is is good and lets the reader fill in the blanks, in a world with as many species as there are, you've got to give little hints to things like how many limbs he might have. He could have been a very social diamond dog, or a mule, or something odd. It's not just the ponies that are sentient.

> One could as easily assume that they've stopped
One could just as easily assume that he's there to stop further disappearances. In fact, I would put money it's more likely that they would assume something was happening.
Once is chance, Twice is coincidence. I would assume that a competent government would send an investigator before you have a third incident to worry about.
It's just one investigator. If nothing is happening, it's no big deal. If something is happening, you have 'hooves' on the ground to brief heavier forces you send in behind them.

So, even though I'm saying the word 'assume' a great deal, (ass of you and me) it's easy to assume that an event is starting, or that it will blow over. Not that it will somehow be limited to two groups.

> Was the beginning really that bad?
Your beginning is a nameless, faceless 'pony' talking to a drunkard -slash- part time administrator about staffing issues. They have a decidedly one sided conversation about mine operation and Twilight Sparkle.
Name drop Nick!Nack all you like, that won't make the introductory scene of this story anything that it's not. As you said yourself, some people love it, some people hate it, and you know what group I'm in.

> It slips in some background knowledge about the OC without sitting down and having long narration for the sake of introducing the OC. It gives something for readers to relate to.
Real world example. Things I've said lately:
"I know a bit about electronics, let me take a look at that diagram."
Things I haven't said lately:
"My dad was an electronics engineer, let me take a look at that diagram."

You know why? The first one is more reassuring. When I need to assert that I am knowledgeable in a field, I don't tell people why I'm knowledgeable, I simply tell them I am. If they ask, I'll go into it.
If I go into 'My dad liked to build frames, so I know woodworking' or 'My mom worked for CPS, so I know about their procedure a bit', the focus of those sentences are my parents, not things that I know. It makes me seem overly focused on their lives and abilities and not my own.

It makes the statement more about telling the reader about the character's parents than it is about telling the reader about the character.

You could bring up the fact he learned from his father at any time. But the way you stated it takes away from the fact it's one of the things Overcast is capable of doing.

> You merely say, "your character is bad. She is bad because you're trying to make your OC important."
Your version of Twilight is a Pollyanna parody of Twilight Sparkle, lacking character traits that make her stand out in any way, making her appear two dimensional in favor of giving your OC more impressive screen time. I could spell it out more if you'd really like me to.
The short version is that you are simplifying canon characters to make your original character stand out in contrast.

> No duh I'm trying to make my OC important. He's the goddamn main character.
And that's why this isn't as interesting as it could be.

Instead of having some reason that your OC should be the main character, the plot is a series of contrivances to make the OC the main character. It's a story about the OC, rather than a story about the story.
The story you want to tell could be interesting. But your story currently focuses on Overcast to the detriment of other characters.

> Why wouldn't she speak to X character?
Oh, she needs to have dialog, Twilight does like to hear herself talk. But the Twilight you're writing is the innocent, naive Twilight that's groan worthy and kind of annoying, and not the smarmy, snarky Twilight that most people have grown into loving. In small doses, the naivety is cute.
But this is the only version of Twilight in your story, and you let Overcast run her ramshod. She's more the cardboard cut out of Twilight, that Overcast gets to hit for emphasis while proving his point.

> That'd leave too many questions for a first chapter.
No one's ever read on to chapter two looking for answers?
Starting with a lecture on the processes necessary to measure particle mass is not a good way to start 'Taxes for Dummies' either. You want to start with your best foot forward.

> "How did they get there? Why are they there? Who's the OC? What is the relation between the OC and Twilight/Dash?"
Yeah, that's kinda what I was implying. Questions are a great way to keep me from closing a document before page two.
If I'm asking myself 'Who's this OC?' while I'm reading your chapter one, I'm not telling myself 'I could be playing Minecraft instead' while I'm closing your link.

> Dead Space itself didn't start with the action.
That's great for a game I'm playing for fun. That I've rented or payed cash money for with the promise of action on the back cover.
This is a fanfic however. A book if you will. A book I got from the internet.

Look at the post you gave me: >>114365
It lacks tags, so I have no idea it's a crossover. It's summary mentions nothing, so I have no 'Dead Space' to work with.

So yes, you took the form of a game set in the future, that's great. You didn't tell me about it, so why should I expect that? Why do you get a pass on it because someone else did it first?

> Let's look at some good literature
Debatable.

> "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone":
You know what the first thing I read in that book was? The synopsis:
What did Harry Potter know about magic? He was stuck with the decidedly un-magical Dursleys, who hated him. He slept in a closet and ate their leftovers. But an owl messenger changes all that, with an invitation to attend the Hogwarts School for Wizards and Witches, where it turns out Harry is already famous.

The opening feeds that synopsis, by giving the mysterious origins of the Harry, who the back of the book introduces us to.

Fellowship?:
The dark, fearsome Ringwraiths are searching for a Hobbit. Frodo Baggins knows that they are seeking him and the Ring he bears—the Ring of Power that will enable evil Sauron to destroy all that is good in Middle-earth. Now it is up to Frodo and his faithful servant, Sam, with a small band of companions, to carry the Ring to the one place it can be destroyed: Mount Doom, in the very center of Sauron’s realm.
Sounds pretty sweet, doesn't it?
Not to mention the first chapter is part of the transition from the Hobbit, making it the opening to a sequel, with loose ends to tie up. Bilbo gives up the ring, and Frodo is given a quest. Oh Crap! It's the one on the back of the book, sweet!

This is the internet, and immediate gratification is much easier than a book. There's investment in purchasing a book. Your story I can close and read the 35 other things I'd like to get around to finishing.

> Yeah... but they're just that: cannon fodder. Taking the time in chapter one to give them a backstory is counterproductive.
What if the elevator operator is in a rush to get home to their significant other and hopes the shift ends soon? What if the Mine Boss lets Overcast get away with more than he would normally because he reminds him of his kid that never calls. You don't have to stop and give out their back stories. Simply the fact that you don't seem to have them, makes it seem like you treat them as if they aren't real, which comes across in your writing. They have names as after thoughts and they lack desires of their own. There's no greed, lust, or camaraderie in them as characters. They're just cardboard ponies that exist to be killed off for the story.

> Changing a third of my periods into commas would hurt more than help.
Look at your sentence structure. There are a number of sentences where you have two seperate but related sentences that could be fused together with use of a comma. Especially actions that should be taking place at the same time, like the crashing bottle causing the mine boss to jump.

> The question is, why do you suggest this? I have no reason to change it other than "Minty doesn't like Overcast".
If that was the case, why would one of my two extreme corrections be to remove all characters and add more OCs?

Correction one, "Remove Overcast, replace with Twilight" is based in the fact that Overcast's know it all, overbearing, take charge personality meshes well with Twilight as the character we know. Twilight could come to the mine, do the investigation that she's already doing, on top of everything Overcast is bringing to the story.
By doing it this way you do not need to explain why the main character is capable, because it's Twilight 'Goddamn' Sparkle. Same over all story, just with Twilight and Dash running around in a Dead Space crossover being awesome.

Option Two: Replace Twilight and Dash with OCs,
> "Oh! Dead Space and ponies. I wonder what this is all about!"
You say this like it's a detriment?
Picture this. Exact same story. Replace Rainbow Dash and Twilight with Tough Cookie and Vanilla Cream. Twins from the streets of Filly'. Investigators of mild renoun from the agency investigating magical artifacts. Overcast has some history with Cookie, and Cream has a tendency to become lost in her work.

The parts about Dash and Twilight feeling OoC become moot, because Cookie and Cream are entirely different character, with their own history.
Not enough magic to active the spire? Come on, it's a super magical spire, it's designed to not be too hard to turn on. Need a violent pegasus and a reflective unicorn? Their parents are mixed marriage.

Plus, Dead Space + Ponies, I wonder who's going to go insane and die.

> "I've had three other people review it, two of which I trust a whole lot of a hell more than you, and you're the only one that came up with a review as scything as yours."
Congratulations, I'm hard to please. Even things I like there are faults. If I like something too much, it's probably flawed.
Yes, I put my foot down and called you out on parts. I stand by those statements, and I still do. If you follow them or not, I really don't mind.

>>117263
> I'm convinced at this point it would've been more polite (and wise) to ignore Minty's "unsolicited" review altogether, just as everyone here could have ignored your unbidden griping.
You know what I call a group of highly opinionated people stuffed into a single group of varying opinions?
/fic/
I've got opinions, LS has got opinions, everybody's got opinions. There's lots of venting, and drama pushes me closer to the autosage and thread change.

>>117279
> He could always just say "Hey, I don't agree with you, here's why..." Then Minty could be like, "Well, whatevs, bro."
My OP actually promises I'll try to avoid replying with 'whatevs, bro'.
But other than that, you're right on.

>>117291
> The things Minty says to you are a test of your character. A test that you're currently failing.
Oh no! They're catching on! I must change my strategy!

Holy hell, over two hours spent on this post as it is.
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>>114487
Welp, it's taken a while, but you've been marked by the kiss of death.

I like it. I mean I really like it. In this guttural, primal need to see where you're taking this story.

In other review threads, this would be considered a good thing, but historically this usually means I'm missing something vital and outright disturbing to most people. Well, let me recount the story, just so you know what's going on. What you decide to do with it is up to you.

I started this thinking I would read the first chapter, so act one of The End. Any obvious errors would jump out at me, any major plot direction corrections can usually be projected by the end of the first chapter.
It starts out with an info dump. Admit it, it does. The info dump is concealed by making the protagonist of the scene Sweetie, while Twilight and Apple Bloom explain the reasons that Ponies now have galaxy class combat capable airships. About 10-15 years post series.
So I docked you a 'point' for accelerating the timeline, but also made a note to ask you to make sure you knew that Apple Bloom was hitting on Twilight. A whole lot. If that was unintentional it could be really embarrassing, and so many people try to avoid 'The Gay Stuff' for no reason, it would have been polite to point it out. Anyways, Twilight is autistic enough to miss the obvious signals Bloom spends the first chapter chucking out, so that's not a problem, it's not in her character to pick up on that sort of thing.

Pinkie Pie/Big Mac shipping is on my list of non-grumbly pairings, so that doesn't seem odd at all. It's not with Fluttershy, so bonus points for that. Pinkie is still Pinkie, but you play her silly enough to be wacky, and extrasensory perceptive enough to be clearly actively be saving people without their or her knowledge. You ended up getting points for that even though there was no payoff on that at all.

So I admit to skimming some of chapter one. It's adorable and backstory and oh, then you do that to Shining Armor, which really should be shocking but...

Oh wait, little bit of backstory for you. I hate new Battlestar Galactica. I grew up on reruns of 1978 Battlestar, and the new series came across as trying too hard. This caused me to read this story not as a crossover, but just off of the synopsis I was supplied. I didn't even realize that 'Ponystar' was a sloppy ponification of 'Battlestar' until the end of chapter one.

Seriously, never even crossed my mind.

Then that last scene hit, and I went: “Oh! Ponystar Celestia roughly equals Battlestar Galactica! I get it, duh me.”

So I downloaded the other three acts of 'The End'. Just so I'd see could where you were going with the story. Seeing as you ended the first on a pretty nice enough hook.

Then you start off chapter two with clear notes implying Rainbow Dash being poisoned, so big bonus points there.
Then you give one of my most favoritest characters a major supporting role. Even if there is the notable potential that she's evil, fuck yeah. There's a guitar riff here, you just can't hear it. You have to imagine it really really hard. Just put which every one you think works, because I loves me some Silver Spoon.

I do hope she doesn't die too horribly.

So opening chapter three, I was thinking: Poor Caramel. Then Apple Bloom was hitting on Twilight pretty openly. I assume this was normal behavior?
Then I start to get pay off on guessing that Rainbow Dash was poisoned! I give myself one 'Yay Me' point while I continue reading.

-.- Then Sweetie sings. Immediately I'm flooded with fears that Sweetie is going to be Lynn Minmay from Macross/Robotech (Remember, I watched old Galactica. Think of the era I grew up with.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Minmay
Ugh, songs. Skim skim skim applause, that was awesome, yadda yadda... Story is starting up again.

So you establish the officers as kind of a surly bunch, then...
Okay, you're definitely not accidentally having Apple Bloom hit on Twilight.

You have the weird backwards section with who I think may be Screwball, but altogether adds an additional layer of complexity to the storyline. Mentions of Daddy and race traitor promise deeper secrets.
I'd be lying if I didn't say I was confused. However, all of your other hints ended up leading in interesting directions, so it's probably just part of a fun story. Everything else has had some pay off, so it's worth waiting to see what happens.

And then you have the most adorable Spike scene, so plenty of bonus points for that too.
> Spike’s ratio of coins to sleeping in to body mass
This line could use some clarification, but it's nothing game ending.

So then after an interesting conclusion to chapter three chapter four takes off with a break neck pace.
I read a good deal, not as much as Seattle or Snarkle or a few other people, and the mild dysgraphia totally doesn't help, but I've gotten used to not knowing what's going on during action scenes, and just retroactively figuring out what took place after the fact.
This, this action sequence I could understand. It's clear, it's adorable, and I don't think I had any complaints.
You don't know how odd it is to say that. It's rare to find something where I lack complaints.

I love Amethyst as a point of view character, I love the biological weapon attack, I love the pegasi and Spitfire, I love Spike, I love the argument. I love the clear inconsistancy, and... as I was six miles away from my computer at the time, I couldn't wait to rush home and get the next chapter queued up.

For the record, I started off giving chapter one a chance, reading 2-4 leasurely, then actively wanting to read 5-6. This is technically a good sign for most readers, but like I also said, in my thread that's kind of the kiss of death. I'm a bit too abnormal of an audience.

Then you put in Twist. Ensign Twist.
You see, my reaction to adorability is all busted up. Normally when exposed to what would be referred to as 'Daw' material, I'm flooded with mindless, unfocused rage. So when I'm confronted with silly, socially inappropriate material that some people would find annoying, like translating Twist's speech impediment, it's fun and enjoyable.
I'm saying the Twist and Spitfire scene is adorable.

Then the Sweetie Belle scene happened, and gears started clinking together.

Agrippa Inconsistancy + Twilight outside the ship + radio contact + crying Sweetie... I stopped worrying about her being Minmei at least. I still didn't pick up on it entirely, but the pieces were in place.

> The dragon’s green spines flared slightly. “It?”
This line was mangled in editing. Spike is responding to 'Your dragon, not it'

Then Twilight is punched a few times. It's an emotionally charged scene, and takes some liberties with insanity, but again, nothing really game ending.
> The applejack neat hovered idly for a moment in the grip of her magic
Do you mean 'neatly' I think?

Then you have a fully in character and appropriate argument regarding the proper terminology when referring to alicorns. With two of my favorite characters, Spitfire, and Blueblood playing the idiot.
At which point your story was now favorite material.

> “That’s classified, Major,” Twilight said.
And that was the last piece I needed. All fears of Sweetie Belle being Minmei washed away, and there was nothing holding me back any more.

I'll admit, I let the intro of chapter six wash over me. Symbolism for it's own sake is fine, but tends to have more meaning on the second read through.

That said, the chapter pays off on a large amount of minor things that had been set up, leaves hints for the reader, and is generally fun all around.

So... that's that. I like it. I'd like to see more. This probably will scare off some people, just because of the components involved. But the people that like it will love it. So good luck on the writing.

As for mechanical issues, you may have to keep looking. I tend to focus on plot elements myself, and gloss over structure unless it's jarring.

I'm saying you have a fine story in my opinion, and I want to read more as soon as it's ready.

Oh yeah, and that point docked for overly accelerating the timeline? I gave it back once I realized that you had Apple Bloom crushing on Twlight for a very long time, creating a situation where she learned as much about magic as possible, making herself the forerunner of new technologies.
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>>117367
I fucking love seeing an author I'm growing to respect more and more get a shining review.

>dat feel man
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>>117367
PIC. RELATED.

>It starts out with an info dump. Admit it, it does.
Oh yes indeedy, and of course there's the bigger-and-more-blatant one in Act 3. My pre-reader brought them to my attention too, but I've yet to work out a more artful way to convey the information.

>Twilight is autistic enough to miss the obvious signals Bloom spends the first chapter chucking out, so that's not a problem, it's not in her character to pick up on that sort of thing.
Before starting this fic I had no idea how fun it is to write someone missing cues left and right. I'm glad I managed to handle it decently!

>(Crossover-ness.)
It snuck up on Minjask too, apparently. I think I like that; to me it says I'm staying closer to the pony side of things, as I intended.

>(Points for hinting at Dash being poisoned.)
I'm seriously wondering if you like my technique or just that Dash got poisoned, heh.

>(Silver Spoon.)
Heh, guitar riff noted!

>-.- Then Sweetie sings.
Ha! It was actually Cheerilee singing, and Sweetie hates her taste in music. I don't blame you too much for skimming, though.

>(Sweetie-as-Minmay.)
I didn't see that concern coming, though in retrospect it's very reasonable. No Minmay-ing here, but... want to know a secret? I do plan to have her sing during a battle, but I Pinkie Promise that it won't save Equestria. And now that I've destroyed your desire to keep reading...

>Okay, you're definitely not accidentally having Apple Bloom hit on Twilight.
[Grin.]

>You have the weird backwards section with who I think may be Screwball...
Da.

>Everything else has had some pay off, so it's worth waiting to see what happens.
In my opinion, this is the single best compliment a writer can recieve. Thank you so, so much!

>And then you have the most adorable Spike scene, so plenty of bonus points for that too.
Aw, thanks!

>This line could use some clarification, but it's nothing game ending.
Onto the Edit List it goes!

>This, this action sequence I could understand. It's clear, it's adorable, and I don't think I had any complaints.
Oh thank Celestia! I was convinced that it was a giant, tangled mess!

>I'm saying the Twist and Spitfire scene is adorable.
I've fist-pumped so many times reading this review that my roommate thinks I'm having a stroke. I figured this scene would be love-it-or-hate-it, but I figured I'd be the only one in the "love it" camp.

Damn, it's good to be wrong.

>Then the Sweetie Belle scene happened, and gears started clinking together.
I had a history in my pre-pony writing of shooting for "subtle" and winding up with "opaque". I'm more pleased than I can say that I actually got it right here!

>This line was mangled in editing. Spike is responding to 'Your dragon, not it'
Aw crap! On the Edit List!

>Then Twilight is punched a few times. It's an emotionally charged scene, and takes some liberties with insanity, but again, nothing really game ending.
Phew! I was afraid that that was ham-fisted...

>Do you mean 'neatly' I think?
Neigh!
http://cocktails.about.com/b/2007/05/31/is-it-neat-or-straight-up.htm
Although I admit that I could've been clearer.

>Then you have a fully in character and appropriate argument regarding the proper terminology when referring to alicorns. With two of my favorite characters, Spitfire, and Blueblood playing the idiot.
At which point your story was now favorite material.
[Absurd, girlish squee.]

>So... that's that. I like it. I'd like to see more. This probably will scare off some people, just because of the components involved. But the people that like it will love it.
I am filled with the strangest mix of elation and anxiety right now. It's like I just pushed myself to the limit juggling flaming chainsaws, and I hear the audience saying "Encore!"

I have to thank you again, Minty. I've trapped in an OCD-esque loop since I posted that last chapter, second-guessing every word until I couldn't write at all. To get such a glowing review from such a picky reader is more uplifting than I can articulate.

Two questions, if I may:

1) Are there any reviewers you know of who are good with mechanics but don't demand Google Documents?

2) Is it okay if I send future chapters to you for review?

>So good luck on the writing.
Heh. Why not? You there! Fetch my chainsaws, and more kerosene! I don't need arms.
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>>117382
> Before starting this fic I had no idea how fun it is to write someone missing cues left and right.
That's her most beloved character trait. She's smart, but a bit socially retarded.

> I'm seriously wondering if you like my technique or just that Dash got poisoned, heh.
I have to choose?

> this is the single best compliment a writer can recieve.
As a reader, I must say that too often writers expect readers to take 'on faith' that they have a larger plan at work. This is one of those few stories where you're playing the information open enough that I have a chance to understand where you're going, and come to my own conclusions before you need to tell me about the objectives.

> Although I admit that I could've been clearer.
Learn something new every day.
It could be clearer for those of us who kind of stumble blindly into drinking though.

> 1) Are there any reviewers you know of who are good with mechanics but don't demand Google Documents?
Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time to lurk review threads like I normally would. So I'm not sure who's available at the moment.

> 2) Is it okay if I send future chapters to you for review?
It couldn't hurt? I'm going to be reading them anyways. It's like when Divergence comes out. It probably won't be as overly detailed as this, as first chapter impressions are one of my specialties.
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>>117368
>>117399
Today has been so freakin' awesome for me; thank you both for all the kind words!
>> No. 117482
Hi, would you mind having a look at the first chapter of my fic?

I did have a review in the Training Grounds where I got a proper hiding over some of the grammar, so I've blitzed the hell out of it and now I'm hoping it's in a far better state than it was.

[Title]: Random Elements
[Synopsis]: The ponies that could have wielded the Elements of Harmony have been thrown into a strange alternate Equestria where the sun actually comes up in the morning. To make things even worse there are other versions of themselves here. Strange ponies completely opposed to how they should be.

Somehow they’ve got to find a way home, but how can they do that when most of them before now haven’t even met each other?
[Tags]: Adventure, Alternate Universe
[Word Count]: 7,845 (Chapter 1)
[Link]: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/40456/Random-Elements
[Native Language]: British
>> No. 117537
Just wondering, would you be willing to review a plot outline as well?
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>>117482
Oh, I remember reading...
Wait, this isn't World Without Rainbows...

>>117537
I will merrily review any material thrown at me. One caveat though. It I do too much work on any given part, it makes it progressively harder for me to work on the final product.

Investment of time and emotion and all.
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>>117558
Got it.

Title: A Heavy Crown

Summary: I'll tell you a story. It's a tale about a unicorn with wings. I'll tell you about the Princess that kept her alive, the filly that taught her to care, and the stallion she loved. This is her story... it's my story.

Tags: Sad, Romance

Chapter 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L-YDdQXu-NGrZZWzXeQU3GT5MeYb3GMjghxTAcDIGmY/edit

Plot outline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEolagJkW5YtVT2cPfqPUukKJonr05BZ9Wi1MwXQoXU/edit

Native Language: English
>> No. 117592
>>117580
Didn't see it in OP but noticed everything else in the queue has a word count
Chapter 1: 3914
>> No. 117623
>>117558

Honestly I've never read it. Saw the picture by Stellarina last year that inspired me to start writing the fic, but only got round to putting it up on Fimfiction in the last month or so.

I've asked about it though in the comments though and apparently the takes are very different on a similar idea.
>> No. 117626
Hello again. I'm back, I've completed the second chapter, focusing the story so things aren't so vast and daunting, and I was wondering if I could get a review. If I could that would be great.

Title: Dawn - Changes - Part 2
Words: ~4.5k
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SO8lVquHh1LDikAR4bYOIn5uvP1Z-ZGjLTo4586lwKs/edit

Also, if Ukai's still reviewing I'm going to drop this in his thread as well.

Thanks.
>> No. 117627
>>117626
You are signed in as m1ntyr-st@-mail.com, but you don't have permission to access this item. You can request access from the owner or choose a different account.

Just FYI

>>117623
Most likely. It'd be very hard to accidentally stumble on that plot line.

>>117592
> Didn't see it in OP but...
Though, I do think you should read it in it's entirety.
>> No. 117633
>>117627
Oh, sorry. My bad.
Forgot about that.
> Derp.

Should be fine now.
>> No. 117638
>>117627

Feel free to believe what you like. I could forward you the brutal rejection note from ED from ages back that put me off writing for months to back me up... but hell what would be the point, right?
>> No. 117686
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Cadance.

I hate that canon ruins a perfectly good pony name for a marketing gimmick like that.

Candance. I just hate it.

But that's really normal. My basic reaction is hate, and that's okay. It's not like I'm rife with gibbering insanity or anything. Well, any gibbering insanity that's not a normal level of gibbering insanity.
I didn't think I would be getting so many pink alicorn fics at once, yet here we are anyways.

>>117103
While you have the nice set up for the series, there's a lack of urgency attached to it.

One, you kill Twilight Sparkle twice in the first chapter, which while impressive, leaves me kind of wanting for tension. It's hard to raise the stakes when you outright kill the main character just before the set up to your ending scene.

Two, your synopsis doesn't have any sign of pay off yet.
her mind and the minds of her friends will be driven to the brink. After all, when you’re whirling through eternity, one more step might be all that’s needed to fall into the darkness—forever.
This is what I was promised. You didn't give me even an inkling of that.

I understand that you are building up to it, and that's great. But combined with the lack of urgency from Twilight being unaffected by events that occur, it comes out like you're writing Groundhog's Day of an episode I didn't even like in the first place.

You've got BBCode notation, which is annoying. Much like the episode you're making the Groundhog's Day of, you have characters appear who are incapable of affecting the plot.

Functionally you have a good idea for a story. All the pieces are good, and could be used well. But right now you're sticking way too close to canon, and while it's probably not going to be confusing for most people, it's not the fic I was promised. Later chapters could become more interesting as you create more and more complex loops.

But to get to that point I'd have to get past chapter one. Twilight spends most of the chapter in disbelief, Cadence is very well educated seeing as she has access to a heavily guarded wing of the royal archives, Shining Armor is impressive in what little he actually does, and Twilight's friends are underwhelming and don't even have to appear.

I suppose that is part of the over issue. Your synopsis implies that her friends will be useful and will have some effect on the plot. (Unlike in canon, lol) Your first chapter never touches on any of this. The point of view is limited to Twilight. She never tries to get help, she never tries to invest her friends in her 'vision', and she ends up dying for it again.

What you have here is a variant ending to the season two finale, which is kinda meh at the moment? If someone really liked the concept, I could see them reading on to chapter two.

The entire cast seems really limited, especially considering the event appears to be limited to Twilight, so there's no easy fix for it either. If it was all six, I could see the event getting out of hand. But with just Twilight? The scope seems so small in comparison.
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>>117225
>>117225

Hey, what's the point of this?

Seriously?

Because if the point is to throw Rainbow Dash a pity party, I'm not the guest you'd want to invite to that shindig.
Conceptually, I'm all for a story where Rainbow Dash, post rejection, goes on a murder spree killing the Wonderbolts. But this one?

This is hamfisted emotional shlock. Almost every sentence is crafted with artistic redundancy that's suppose to make all the keywords have double impact, but instead makes it feel like high school poetry. The emotions are too simple and too pure.

Dissect your first paragraph:

In the land of Equestria, there exists an exceptional group of Pegasus ponies bestowed with the task of performing aerial acrobatics and demonstrations for Princess Celestia, in addition to all of Equestria.  This group of Pegasus ponies is none other than the Wonderbolts.  The Wonderbolts, a portmanteau of the words “wonder” and “thunderbolt”, are credited as being the best fliers in Equestria and Celestia’s exclusive acrobatic team.  

In three sentences you use the word Equestria 3 times (twice in the first sentence), Pegasus twice, Wonderbolt twice, and Celestia twice. It's a very dense word count for a segment trying to sound much deeper than it really is.
This paragraph is so bad, it made me want to give up on your story immediately.

( Also, seeing as pegasus is the species, not a proper noun, it doesn't have to be capitalized. Like elves. )

So how would I recommend fixing this? I wouldn't.
I'd say keep this chapter one, make it a chapter zero and sit on it. Reference it, build off of it, but don't worry about it for the moment.

Start on what would normally be chapter two after this, and call that chapter one. Same synopsis and everything. Look at the structure of a good slasher movie, like Friday the 13th. You don't start the movie by giving the monster their justification.

You start the movie with a horrible gusher of blood and slowly reveal the monster's justification. Let the reader find out why Dash is justified in killing and maiming the Wonderbolts. The reader gets to follow the mystery of why she snapped, rather than having the entire explanation dumped in their laps.

Really, Dash shouldn't be the main character. If not Spitfire, then it should be Twilight. Dash is the psychopath with the hatchet, she shouldn't have first person scenes unless she's about to run Soren through with an impromptu and vaguely ironic spear.

Again, you're looking for the subtle balance of giving the reader enough information that they're engaged with the mystery, and enough gore to get your grimdark rating.
Because as it is right now, this is way more Emo than it is Grimdark.
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Title: Nopony's Innocent

Synopsis: An assassin is hired by a pony to end the life of Rainbow Dash. With the idea that he can't kill unless he has proven to himself the pony deserves death, he sets out to end her life. However, when he finds himself incapable of finding any reason to kill Rainbow Dash, he finds himself trapped in a moral dilemma with no way out. One that also triggers a personal conflict within a certain Twilight Sparkle.
Link: Hyrule... errr.... https://docs.google.com/a/fraxyhq.com/document/d/1l3hIVtgP767wUDOQm-SmGiCKESCJXSekG3l0djLZq80/edit
Language: English, unless you want me to type it up in Japanese.

I don't need a nook-and-cranny style review, especially seeing as this is a 20k-word fanfic. I already had AzuNyan from the Training Grounds look at it and he suggested a second opinion, just in case. I'm more concerned with someone reading through, giving an overall impression, reviewing the summary, and suggesting a couple tags. I understand if you don't accept. Thanks ahead of time. ^_^

Pic unrelated.
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>>117638
> but hell what would be the point, right?
No real need to. Just giving you by the minute updates on my emotional state upon opening your link.
In this case that you used for the 'cover image' a work that reminded me of a different work that uses a similar image for a different set of reasons.

Knowing the prereaders, rejection could take a few forms, and some of them aren't as friendly as I am.

>>117693
> However, when he finds himself incapable of finding any reason to kill Rainbow Dash,
Tag=Comedy. I gotcha. ^^

> Language: English, unless you want me to type it up in Japanese.
Hrmm... So English clearly isn't your first language.
>> No. 117703
Just a quick question before submitting:
I have three parts written up, 3,300 words; 3,800 words; and 2,700 words respectively. I plan to put part 1 and 2 in chapter one, but I would appreciate a review on all three since altogether they're still under 10k words.

Can I submit all three? Or would you have me only submit the first two, or would it be best if I put them all in one document and pretend it's all one chapter?
>> No. 117710
>>117692

Thanks for taking the time to review my story Minty.

>This paragraph is so bad, it made me want to give up on your story immediately.

It's kind of a weird feeling to think that something you did is good only for someone to tell you how bad it really is. The closest thing I can relate it to is depressing, but I see the points you made on it and I'll work on changing them.

Is there a lot of other grammar and punctuation errors?

All-in-all, I'll probably place this project on hold until I figure out how the hell to write. Thanks again Minty.
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>>117703
Depends. Put it in the form that you want a new reader to see.
If you want to mash it up, do that. That can give the entire work a different feeling than you intend though, because there's no break time between the two parts. It can cause problems with tone and pacing if you intend it to be read as two separate parts.

>>117710
> It's kind of a weird feeling to think that something you did is good only for someone to tell you how bad it really is. The closest thing I can relate it to is depressing, but I see the points you made on it and I'll work on changing them.

Thank you. It's really most noticeable in that first paragraph. It's working so hard to reinforce an idea that, by reading fanfiction in the first place, I should already have the groundwork in place.

Essentially you spend the first paragraph explaining to the reader why the Wonderbolts are a big deal. You spend the first chapter establishing why Rainbow Dash would be upset at being rejected from them.

Both of these concepts the reader should already have a decent idea of, if they're reading MLP:FiM fics.

> Is there a lot of other grammar and punctuation errors?
> All-in-all, I'll probably place this project on hold until I figure out how the hell to write.

And belay that order immediately. ( I think that's what that means... )
There's a reason I gave you the advice I did. This chapter is a Pity Party for Rainbow Dash. It's all the set up, and backstory, and explanation.
Functionally, the grammar/punctuation is fine. There may be some style issues that need to be worked out, but you won't work those out if you put it on hold.

So I said start on Chapter Two for a reason. Because you can write this story, you just need to not reveal all that set up to the reader. I'm glad you wrote it down, and you have all your imagery set up, but you need to start your story closer to the ending.

Start with the gore, start with the darkness. Start off with the horrible events, then as it progresses, move into a reveal of why it's happening.

If you give away the 'why' there's no hook to the story. Reading chapter one, I know the why. I know the motivations too well. I know why Spitfire did it, I know why Dash is going to do it, I know who's at fault.

As a reader I know too much about the story. If you obfuscate a bit more, I can guess at the reasoning, and make up my own reasons.

For example, take Rainbow Dash smashing the glass figurines. The scene you've written is full of rage directed at the Wonderbolts. But how would that area appear should Twilight and Fluttershy walk in after the fact? There's broken glass everywhere, what looks like a struggle, and blood everywhere.
What sort of assumptions would they jump to? How would they react when they're operating on partial information?

I hope that makes sense. I'm telling you not to put it on hold until you figure out how to write.
I'm telling you to keep writing, because you're almost there.
>> No. 117726
>>117695
Nope, English is my first language, but I'm fairly decent at Japanese, and my mother IS Japanese.

But languages aside, I don't really think comedy would fit into the story. The story is more sad than anything else. xD
>> No. 117733
>>117712

Once again, thank you for spending the time to tell me how I can improve. I guess I won't give up just yet.

>Start with the gore, start with the darkness. Start off with the horrible events, then as it progresses, move into a reveal of why it's happening.

Of course I shouldn't start with one of the Wonderbolts dying within the first sentence, right? Would it be a good idea to start lighter and transition into the darkness?

I already have a couple ideas I want to start writing down which sound good in my mind.
>> No. 117735
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Title: Equestria from Dust (parts 1-3)
Tags: [Fantasy]
Summary: Celestia awakens to see an empty world, white sandstone stretching the horizon. She wanders the world as she builds it from her imagination, filling it with life, but as time passes, the world that she created begins to seem like little more than a lucid dream, conjured from the dust.
Native Language: English
Word Count: 10,048
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11T-iK6Qo9Nnkjic6NdT_4-ykkppmUabEbeOFZs50FdI/edit
Additional notes: The story is in present tense, and it was an experiment in more abstract prose. So far I've gotten some good feedback, but a common thing I've heard is that the prose in part one is great in places, but ugly in others. Any help determining which moments these are would be a great help.

These are the first three parts of nine, and a lot of their purpose is world building (no pun intended) to lead up to Celestia's disconnection from reality.
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>>117733
>Of course I shouldn't start with one of the Wonderbolts dying within the first sentence, right?
Perhaps not the first sentence, but I for one see nothing wrong with death in the first paragraph or two.

It worked for Watchmen.
>> No. 117775
Title--Tail: A Story of Time and Forgiveness
Word Count--15.5k approx.
Link--https://docs.google.com/document/d/14cAZx32VRT9f7u6xFQTWn_Cl3FbzzXDrzQIqgvKVs7s/edit

Well, I'm back! And I've also posted this story on Training Grounds, where I've requested that Minjask pick it up. Aquillo has looked this over as well.

I tried to work on the whole "short and stilted" thing by adding commas and combining sentences where I could. I guess it's up to you to judge my success in that endeavor.

Also, I want to thank you for bringing character development to my attention. After reading your critique, I spent some time going through my outline, and I realized that I was kind of lacking in many spots. I did a big overhaul on characterization, and wound up cutting out a third of the fic and altering the ending because I realized that I had nowhere else to take my characters past a certain point. So, thanks for saving me from a maelstrom of bad writing decisions.

Again, thanks and good luck!
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>>117733
> Of course I shouldn't start with one of the Wonderbolts dying within the first sentence, right? Would it be a good idea to start lighter and transition into the darkness?
As Huh? pointed out, it wouldn't be the first time something started off with a death. I can think of three potentials off the top of my head. Of course, this is not an exhaustive list. Simply the ones I came up with easily:
- Start with a murder. Victim A starts the introductory scene alive, and is killed before it's completed.
- Start with an autopsy. Victim A is dead before the story starts, and the scene deals with the police or equivalent piecing together the crime scene in some way.
- Start with a funeral. Victim A is long dead, deal with the survivors and either their confusion at the death or their fear of it happening again.

Not to mention the variations on those ideas. You can do the murder scene where the victim is begging for their life or where the victim is distractedly doing something mundane when at the time. There's lots of variations, just put your own spin on it.

>I already have a couple ideas I want to start writing down which sound good in my mind.
Put them down. If they sound good to you, they probably sound good to somebody else too.

>>117735
>>117775
Queue is updated, back to the literary mines.
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>>117686
Welp, at first, my reaction was, "not sure if hate for me, or for Pretty Pink Alicorn." For the sake of my ego, I'm going with the latter.

I definitely get where you're coming from with the limited/boring aspect. I fully realized that this would be a problem coming into this, and honestly, I'm okay with that. I know that all I've got going for me in the earlier chapters is the concept and my own writing ability, so as far as I want to keep the time loop angle, the beginning, at least, will stay this way. Believe me when I say that I'm going to be getting a lot of my drive from character arcs, rather than plot tension (earlier on, at least); hopefully, I'll be able to pull it off.

Anyways, I'm just glad you seemed to find it tolerable. Applejinx actually said that I should change the scene to get rid of the "maybe it was a dream" aspect and to have Twilight immediately act to get rid of the changelings and such. I thought I was justified in how I did it, but I was wondering if you might have any different ideas. I'd appreciate any of your thoughts on the matter.

Thanks again!
-GV
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>>117779
>Queue is updated, back to the literary mines.
Not sure what you're planning to do with my review request. Is it denied or something? It's puzzling is all, since I'm not in the queue.
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>>117790
Human error has been cited as a cause or contributing factor in disasters and accidents in industries as diverse as nuclear power (e.g., Three Mile Island accident), aviation (see pilot error), space exploration (e.g., Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster and Space Shuttle Columbia disaster), and medicine (see medical error). It is also important to stress that "human error" mechanisms are the same as "human performance" mechanisms; performance later categorized as 'error' is done so in hindsight: therefore actions later termed "human error" are actually part of the ordinary spectrum of human behaviour. The study of absent-mindedness in everyday life provides ample documentation and categorization of such aspects of behavior. While human error is firmly entrenched in the classical approaches to accident investigation and risk assessment, it has no role in newer approaches such as resilience engineering.

Or in layman's terms, I done screwed up.

Queue corrected now hopefully.

>>117782
Little hate for either actually? (I hate Shining Armor way more than I hate Cadence, but a little less than I hate the name Cadance.)

I'm actually a little in your camp. Twilight really wouldn't assume it's not a dream until she had proof, and when she gets proof the second time, you killed her.

Like I said, my main issues had more to do with the lack of permanency of any of the events involved. Especially with the magic being limited to Twilight, the promise on her friends being insane as well seems distant in your first chapter.
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>>117792
>Or in layman's terms, I done screwed up.
I like you, you have a sense of humor.

Anyways, thanks for tbe clarification. I was just unsure as to what had happened. Please let me know if ever you need something from me. I do owe you a big one.

On an unrelated note: I made a cover to go with the story, but I have absolutely no idea how to doanything other than... well... this style, which I am fine with, since I try to purposefully leave the main character's appearance slightly ambiguous.
>> No. 117806
>>117779
Sorry, I've got a few more questions. How should I go about writing a grimdark story with gore but still keep it within reasonable guidelines?

And it seems like no other reviewer accepts the grimdark gore stuff. So, can I come back here to get another review from you?
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>>117802
I'm not a professional art critic anything, but the placement of the upper blood splatter keeps making me think that yon pony is suffering from rectal bleeding.

>>117806
Use the bare minimum. I know that sounds weird with gore, but you get used to it. With practice you can dance the dance of implication that TV shows and PG-13 movies have been dancing for decades.

>Pic is a bribe in the hopes that Minty won't throw me out of his thread for bothering the customers.
>> No. 117810
>>117806
Other threads that accept gore... are all gone. Well, that sucks. Throwing it on the training ground with the neccesary warnings should do the trick (and make for long waiting times) and the Samurai ( >>99999 ) doesn't have any sort of warning about not accepting stories, so I guess he counts too.
>> No. 117814
>>117809
>>117810
Jeez, do you guys know why gore is taboo in MLP fanfiction?
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>>117814
Look at this bunny. Now imagine hurting it.

Gore is dislike because it goes against much of the appeal of the ponies (being cute) and thus a lot of people find it terrible to see them being "corrupted".

Also, people for the most part don't like hearing how [redacted due to highly descriptive language of how to best kill and dismember a deer] even though they have no problem eating its jerky.

I prefer to call it: people are dumb and don't like to think bad stuff happens.
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First, a more-or-less on-topic question for Minty:

Do the tags for Ponystar Celestia look all right to you?

I mean, the Adventure and Crossover tags are kind of necessary, and the Shipping is central to the plot as far as I'm concerned.

I'm wondering about the Sad and Dark tags, though. They're less "mission statement" and more "here be dragons".

Do you think I should scrap any of them?

...

>>117814
Kind of like the anon said, many folks don't want to see bad stuff happening to ponies. Hay, it's not like there aren't a million other places to find violence if one needs a fix; Warhammer 40,000 alone provides enough to power a small town.

While I don't think that the anti-gore or anti-clop folks are dumb, I respectfully disagree with their views. Some tales need to tread "darker" paths in my opinion, and it's not as though anyone can force anyone else to read a fic they're not comfortable with.

That said, I don't like gore for its own sake.

...Aaaaaand gonna stop rambling now.
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>>117802
>>117809
> the placement of the upper blood splatter keeps making me think that yon pony is suffering from rectal bleeding.

I concur. Lose the second splatter. The first should be more than enough for most people to know what's going on in your story. Subtlety at work and all. ^^

>>117806
No one? That's... troublesome.
I used to have enough time to keep track of all the threads on this and our sister boards. *All* the threads. Like I said, I'm not particularly great with fundamentals. Structure and blatant things, no problem, but beyond that I need help. Send new chapters when you can, and I'll keep working on suggestions.

>>117809
PS: Bribe accepted. Though my thread is always open to second opinions and outside input.
More input is usually helpful.

>>117815
Mmmm... bunny burgers...

... Where was I? Oh yeah. Most people aren't horrible people. Yes, 4chan likes to think they're horrible, but push comes to shove, they'll do the right thing, or a variation of it eventually.

Anyways, as stated, a large number of people are into MLP:FiM because they feel its a refuse of purity in their lives. It's pure, so it makes up for the fact they're posting Pain Olympics on childhood obesity sites.

I'm, by my nature, not one of those people. There is a uniform level of horribleness in my life, where I have no particular qualms about a Dexter/MLP crossover besides the question of how the crossover would function, and if it's just another stupid Cupcakes 'repair' attempt.

Gah, I'm sick of people trying to fix 'Cupcakes'.

>>117816
I'd keep the Dark. You've got the horror of Twilight dealing with corpses, postmortem decapitation in the first chapter, bio weapons consuming people, and mass abandonment of sentient beings in need.
Plus everything you're doing to Sweetie Belle.

That said, Sad is kind of redundant. Between the Dark-Adventure, your focus isn't really on the emotional cost. It's there, but you've already had Twilight slip into mania over it, instead of... well, self-pity.

> Warhammer 40,000 alone provides enough to power a small town.
Which leads to the inverse rule of fanfiction.
The most common content in a fandom's written work, will be inversely proportionate to the content in the series in question.
For example, most of Band of Brothers fanfics, a series set in WW2, are probably romance heavy stories, focused on either yaoi pairings or female OCs, usually nurses of some sort.
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>>117816
>>117819
Funny, I'd have cut the dark tag. I like a good dark story, and this one didn't have that feel of despair the way others did, it felt more like an adventure, and a lot of nameless characters happened to die. Then again, it is closer to dark than sad.
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>>117809
>>117819
Is this better, then? xD It hadn't even occurred to me.
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>>117819
>I'd keep the Dark. You've got the horror of Twilight dealing with corpses, postmortem decapitation in the first chapter, bio weapons consuming people, and mass abandonment of sentient beings in need.
All in a list like that it does sound pretty metal.

>Plus everything you're doing to Sweetie Belle.
Pic related.

>That said, Sad is kind of redundant. Between the Dark-Adventure, your focus isn't really on the emotional cost. It's there, but you've already had Twilight slip into mania over it, instead of... well, self-pity.
Yeah, I see what you mean; the camera hasn't been focused on the relatively tearful bits like Pinkie and the Cake twins. I know Fluttershy's a well of tears, too, but I find her hard to write.

As for Twi, I see mania as her reaction to not being in control or even knowing what to do. I could see her sitting down for a good cry with time, but she's just been too busy so far.

So yeah, I'll drop the Sad tag when I make my next editing run. I can always re-institute it later if things get weepy.

>>117823
>Funny, I'd have cut the dark tag. I like a good dark story, and this one didn't have that feel of despair the way others did, it felt more like an adventure, and a lot of nameless characters happened to die. Then again, it is closer to dark than sad.
Given your love of Dark, I think I showed PSC to you too soon; I haven't really put the screws to our little ponies yet.

Named ponies--and not just Shining Armor, the Mayor, and Peachy Pie--have died/will die, but I'm sorry for selling you an unripe apple.
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>>117823
> I like a good dark story, and this one didn't have that feel of despair the way others did, it felt more like an adventure, and a lot of nameless characters happened to die.
Lets take the end of chapter one.

A character realizes there's a enemy in the house, then finds the body of his wife and of a random messenger. After confirming that the messenger isn't part of the opposing force he is then killed by his wife.
Oh yeah, after she mentions she's been married to him longer than his actual wife and is (mostly) only following orders.

You can have adventure without being overly dark. Dark things can happen, but you don't have to revel in them. With the reveal at the end of chapter one, it opens the potential that any thing could happen. One of the many, many reasons I'll be pleasantly surprised should Silver Spoon survive through the end.

The fact the world is that kind of nihilistic is the reason I would keep the dark. This isn't the 'Lost in foreign country, find our way home' adventure. This is a 'We've lost everything and trust no one' type of adventure.

>>117827
Seems reasonable. ^^

>>117828
> All in a list like that it does sound pretty metal.
And I'm down playing most of what happens in that first four chapters.

> Pinkie and the Cake twins.
I didn't even catch that till my second read through when I was making more detailed notes. Probably because I skimmed it the first time, but still...

> I could see her sitting down for a good cry with time, but she's just been too busy so far.
Considering the things on her plate, the time for a good cry is probably going to be massively postponed. Same for Fluttershy actually. Yes, she's overly emotional, but she's just as likely to discard her immediate needs for the greater good. Especially if she's willing to force people to do what they need to do.
>> No. 118202
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Title: The Box
Summary: One cool, late-winter afternoon Rarity receives a strange visitor, and an even stranger box.
Tags: Dark
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/159ekP7lULp_PsgsYiCdeCq3tEYYtO2TIGsQ5ufAi1nc/edit
Native Language: English [?]I assume you still require this[?/]
Word Count: 4022

I've already had this reviewed by both Huh? and Seattle_Lite, but Huh? suggested that I get a second (third) opinion, and he recommended this thread, among others. Thanks in advance. Also, please tear the hell out of this.
>> No. 118227
Title: Stalker
Summary: Strange things are happening in Ponyville. Something is following Fluttershy and her friends.
Tag: Dark
Links:

Ch 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GXMTFM596N5q4pkpZANDWDaJqgFGuXdBqZI7GAmMxEY/edit

Ch 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p0aQcYxOsrAQdaoH-tnSsu92CGQubVebkLLEfpG9BzU/edit

Ch 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y9PKEqQQc1Vf1r5KujBBuxlYpbtaX0pstUL9sCduS7o/edit

Native Language: English
Word Count: 6083
>> No. 118232
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>>118202
> I assume you still require this

Story time:
How many times have you read a fic, written in English, but conjugated as if it was written by a madman?
Where dialog is written out as if it was stage direction, and the analogies don't *quite* make sense?

If you ask, it's usually because the author's native language is something abstract. Greek, Polish, Spanish, German...
This is important to know before I start yelling at people. I need to know if the author is just mangling a phrase I don't know, or if they are using a common phrase in their native tongue that just doesn't translate the way logic would dictate.

The other part is to see who actually reads the entire OP. I'm running a constant social experiment here, plus it helps me figure out where your strengths lie. Lay... REST.

I've got a whole bunch of reviews to write up, might take a bit.
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>>118232
>Story time: [...] logic would dictate.
Fair enough, I suppose I didn't think about it like that. I was just trying (unsuccessfully) to be funny. Also, I derped the spoiler box, whoops.
>where your strengths lie. Lay... REST.
I honestly don't know if lie would have been correct there. I feel like it is. Damn you English!

Anyways, thanks for the future review, even if it takes 6 months to get to.
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>>118232
>>118235
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/lay-versus-lie.aspx

One of the many, many bookmarks on various topics I've acquired since I began working on PSC. Speaking of which, I need to get back to work...
>> No. 118382
>>118235
> I honestly don't know if lie would have been correct there. I feel like it is. Damn you English!

> One of the many, many bookmarks on various topics I've acquired since I began working on PSC.

Which confirms that lie is correct. But it's fun to point out that no one can be an expert in everything. Trying to be perfect can lead to it's own problems really.
>> No. 118414
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No time for drama, I've got elevenity billion reviews in my head, and not enough time to get them out.
If you have any questions, ASK THEM!
It's hard to keep track of this many ideas when I'm flipping through this many stories at one time.

>>117141
I read all of your first chapter and started in on Chapter Two part two until I realized a horrible fact.

You put a 20k story in my queue. One where chapter two, instead of being broken into smaller, more reasonable chapters, was over four times the size of chapter one.
Clearly, you don't care about the reader at all. (This is a confrontational statement)

If I read the first chapter because 'Oh, I've got time for 5k', there is absolutely nothing in that first chapter that pays off in the second chapter.

All the plot hooks and character potentials hinted at in your first chapter, fizzle out in the opening of chapter two, which is more set up.

If you're writing a sitcom about how hard it is to live in the arctic bellybutton of the wasteland, why did you start that with chapter one?
Starting with chapter two would have given me the same boring social interplay of people I didn't care about, without the hope that you would be going into the interesting and freaky native ghouls.

Yes, your ghouls are more interesting than your OC, Oscar Charlie the OC. I hate OC, and I want some accident to kill him. Also Flanders.

Because the story you ended up handing to me, that you wanted me to read, wasn't Sci Fi in the least (you have less tech than a standard Fo:E sidestory), you reference the pink mist, and yet you didn't do anything with the characters you've chosen.

In more direct words, you're spending too much time setting up your story, and it's frustratingly dull. Chapter one is fine-ish. It drags, but something is happening.
Chapter two doesn't even do that. It just drags on and on, introducing character after character (yes, the reactor is a character).
You don't do anything with the assortment of names you drop, they just seem to be there for OC to look down on really.

It's not bad, it just seems that the story is spending a great deal of it's time telling me about a way of life, rather than telling me a story that would draw the reader in.

Remember to tell the story first. The world building, while nice, should not be the driving force.
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>>117482
You have... Seven chapters to date. You requested a read of the first chapter. Just so we're on the same page here.

Your Synopsis has problems:
how can they do that when most of them before now haven’t even met each other?
Say it out loud. Let it roll around in your head until it loses meaning. Were you able to do it more than once?
Congratulations (maybe). Now look at this sentence.
To make things even worse there are other versions of themselves here.

The short direct fix I would recommend would be to drop the second statement entirely. You don't want rhetorical questions in your summary, it comes off trite and overplayed.
Yes, books use them in their advertizing all the time, that's part of why it's so trite. Everybody's doing it. But in this case, you're dealing with a reader base that's just as likely to take your question, and write their own story about it. One that makes them happy personally, while your story just... sits there really.
So tell us about your story, don't ask us what direction we think your story should go in.
Because there's way too many directions we could take it.

Suspending disbelief at Pinkie only telling her story to the CMC, seeing as she's been in town for a while, I'm sure other people have heard it, there's nothing wrong with this story that I can put my finger on exactly.

I feel your characterizations are a stretch at times, but I'm not filled with questions about your Dark Equestria. I probably should be, but it doesn't seem that interesting really.
I do get the feeling you're going with an more morally reprehensible Celestia, and a more revolutionary Luna Nightmare Moon, but there's not enough characterization to care.

The only thing that's a mild surprise is evil Fluttershy, but that's more of a surprise in that it doesn't fit with the sort of universe that would create Rock.
I'm saying your potential point of deviation, which people would assume would be the Rainboom, does not feel rational. There's a deeper deviation point involved causing the elements to be attached to the wrong ponies entirely.

Which might be what you're writing anyways.

Anyways. It's a fine enough story.

Outside of the characters not making sense for the universe, Twilight being way too happy to divulge information at the drop of a hat, it's a perfectly fine story.
I mean, once you look outside the exposition dumps and the frankly distressing characterizations, it's a perfectly fine story.

I'm not really driven to read chapter two of my own free will or anything, and I lack the desire to see where any of it goes but...

Yeah, I'm rambling.
I understand what your story is about. I just don't understand WHY I should read it.
The story of Rock sounds interesting. The story of Rock fighting with Rarity is less interesting.

The story of Rock's epic quest to return to 'her' crapsack world is flat out not interesting.

What's the difference?

The first is an AU story, there's characters, interaction, and back story going on. Emotional play where characters the reader knows are corrupted by an alternate history, creating an entirely new world from the old.
The story you have is an adventure fic where perverted characters that we know hang around with more characters that we also know, while Princess Smarty Pants explains stuff we already know to characters who don't give a damn about it.

The only goal you have set down in the fic is 'return to their own world', but you never give a reason why they'd like to do that, or why it's a story that needs to be told at all.
>> No. 118417
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>>117580
Wait, she's not dead?

Maybe I'm the tiniest bit negative (read: lotsa bit), but you end the Cadence section in your first chapter with: The last thing I see is her face, happily looking mine.

Which I would normally read in 'Fade to Black' speak as death via child birth.

Oh well, maybe it's just me.

I notice something your outline is lacking. Chrysalis needs a resolution.
No, she doesn't need something good to happen to her. She needs something to grow on. Your first chapter seems to establish two main characters. Cadence via her parents, and Chrysalis and her children.
By juxtiposing the newborn and the hive mother you've sort of entwined them for the story. By keeping the structure of Cadence section/Changeling section I was kind of hoping you would focus on that interplay, keeping the two orbiting one another. Also Chrysalis/Cadence shipping.
Even outside of the shipping potential, you have a structure where part A seems to be about Cadence and part B seems to be the changeling point of view. And while the changelings are shown to be horrible, they have reasons for every horrible act they engage in.
Which is a major plus. A rational villain with good motivation is way better than an awesome Mary Sue villain that's shown to be unstoppable.

So yes, this is an interesting story. I like the interaction the doctors have, I'm kind of not sold on the dream sequence. I like the changeling reaction to the birth of their potential savior (which really is the direction I thought you were going).

But while you are telling Cadence's story, you might want to tell Chrysalis's story alongside it. That way their themes can play off each other.

Plus you don't have to just end with the canon episode that way either.
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>>117626
Well, this is why I can't do chapter two for too much longer.

This one is rather cleaned up. Sure I've got some mild questions about the last two nobles in Canterlot being sent out on a solo mission in the first place, seeing as there are solders who spend their lives training to kill dragons and such, but *this* chapter, of this story is fine.

The interplay between Cadence and Luna is interesting and revealing, the dragon is properly threatening, and the resolution is fulfilling. This is a fine, nice story that does not make me want to bash my head into a wall, and while it could be modified to hyper intensive perfection, that would not be good for the story.

The story needs to be told, and you're telling it well. As you advance, you'll keep improving, but this chapter seems fine to me. If you obsess too much over making it perfect, you could lose the direction the story wants to go in.

So keep writing, worry about the edits for another day.
>> No. 118419
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>>118416
>You have... Seven chapters to date. You requested a read of the first chapter. Just so we're on the same page here.

Indeed, and thank you for checking it out. Main reason is I found the first chapter the hardest due to needing to set up the situation and not get bogged down in the exposition to support the rest of the fic. Alas it doesn't sound like I succeeded from some of what you're saying.

>Your Synopsis has problems:

Did slightly rewrite it as you can see on fimfiction, but to raise a point from another editor I ran the fic past;

"Actually, the question isn't completely rhetorical. It's not "will they overcome the story's conflict" or anything along those lines, and more importantly, there's only one of them instead of a series of questions, which is definitely worthy of vehement opposition. It isn't a question we can just say "yes, of course they will, duh" to, because there are a lot of potential answers to *how* they'll do it. Your synopsis is one of the very few examples of a rhetorical question done right."

Of course YMMV.

>Which might be what you're writing anyways.

That is indeed what I'm writing :D Good spot, took untill chapter 5 till someone worked it out on fimfiction. The sonic rainboom comment was Pinkie Pie saying something that's technically correct, but not actually the reason between the differences between the two realities.

>Anyways. It's a fine enough story.

Cheers.

>I mean, once you look outside the exposition dumps and the frankly distressing characterizations, it's a perfectly fine story.

Less cheers, would you mind expanding on that point on the characterisations a bit other than Twilight Sparkle being a lot exposition happy?

>What's the difference?

Well I'm going for all three really, as later chapters fill in the blanks as it were to explain how Fluttershy and Rock got to be like they were, along with bouncing off the Mane cast in various way and also trying to get home. That's the story I'm writing.
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>>117735
Kiss of Death. I love it.

I can assume some people have trouble with the prose, but (and I have to apologize for saying this) some people are idiots.
I know it's the kiss of death, because you expected there to be problems in understanding the shifting tenses, however I appreciated the shifting tense more.

You're dealing with a character that doesn't understand the concept of time until she gets around to creating it. Later on.
Functionally, this is a fic in which Celestia is the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Atheistic argument or not, Celestia is a shade of pink, who is currently not invisible because she' hasn't thought of it yet. That is an amazing concept, and unfortunately, too smart for the room at times.

Sorry I can't help too much more SLP. I'm just recommending this to some of my reading buddies. Maybe they'll have more input on the structure, but this is just a fun, enjoyable world creation myth.

Even if it doesn't quite work with the one given in series.
>> No. 118425
>>118420
I've received a few reviews saying they couldn't find anything wrong, but I still felt insecure doing this kind of experimentation with storytelling. The kind of feedback you gave me is exactly what I wanted to hear, because I've just been very unsure throughout writing this that it would actually be an appealing story, and that it would, well, work.

Now I just need to write out those other six or seven parts.
>> No. 118427
>>118418
Yay, some good news.
Thank you kindly for your time.
I'll be back.

> Sure I've got some mild questions...
If I can clean that up in the next chapter I will, but I won't force it.

And again, thanks.
>> No. 118428
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>>118419
> Main reason is I found the first chapter the hardest due to needing to set up the situation and not get bogged down in the exposition to support the rest of the fic.

Twilight exposits. A WHOLE LOT, as it seems to be about half of her dialog or so.
If you could break it up, or do it off screen, or something so there's not so much trudging though the term 'Elements of Harmony'. I know it's important to the plot, but it's retreading old ground for most readers.

> Of course YMMV.
Somehow they’ve got to find a way home, but how can they do that when most of them haven’t even met each other?
You know that's not a complete sentence, right? In a vacuum, it's kind of hard to figure out what you're talking about. It's even heavily implied in the first paragraph of your synopsis, so it's not even adding that much to it.
It's the literary equivalent to leaving a rusted out pickup in the lawn. Sure, it's not that out of place, it's just an eye sore.

> That is indeed what I'm writing :D
Thought so, I'll tell you my projections in a bit.
> Good spot, took untill chapter 5 till someone worked it out on fimfiction.
Yeah... I don't say nice things about the comments section on FiM...

> would you mind expanding on that point on the characterisations a bit other than Twilight Sparkle being a lot exposition happy?
In chapter one you're playing the fandom versions of the characters rather than their high stress versions.

Pinkie has been confronted with a gruff Rarity that knows her birth name. Instead of reacting with any sort of trepidation or cautiousness (See Party of One or even MMMystery), she launches right into her 'new friend behavior' with out a second comedy beat. She's not actively thinking about the situation at all in what I read.
Rarity, being faced with her dark reflection of what could have been, reacts in a manner that I would expect out of Raspberry from Strawberry Shortcake (think of a Barbie doll). There's no deeper thought to her, simply a surface read of an 'icky' situation.
Twilight too, being faced with a version of herself given into failure, she's not reacting to it. She's instead explaining the elements to anyone who will sit still long enough to listen.

> Well I'm going for all three really,
Clearly.

My problem with that is that you want to dance around the world building of Rock, and give the assumption that they want to go back because it's their real world.
And I'm seriously wondering why would they want to?

Fluttershy would want to go back, and Rock has family (even if she is self sufficient). Your Rainbow Dash is a wanderer and Sparks is a recluse who's normally beaten violently. They're both better off in the world that's new to them over the world they just left. That's really important to establish, seeing as they could just as easily blend in to the normal society sun side, and everything would be fine from their point of view.

The story about their world would be interesting in itself. The fact it's played off of them interacting with their otherworldly clones is weakened by the fact the sun-side versions are so much simpler than there dark-side versions. The dark-side is given more depth and attention in the story, where the sun-side is taken at face value.
They have no depth, they're just surface reads of the characters out of canon with little extrapolation of their emotional states.

This may improve in later chapters, but as I said, I only read chapter one.

>Which might be what you're writing anyways.
In the order of my realizations:
Fluttershy > Loyal, Sparks > Kindness, Rainbow Dash > Magic. The rest are extrapolations, with Applejack > Generosity, Rock > Laughter, and Pinkamina > Honesty

Or some variation like that.
>> No. 118430
>>118428
Fair point on the synopsis, I'll think about removing the line. Not sure what I'm going to do about the exposition though as looking through the chapter it's all information I want to get out to characters who wouldn't know that stuff. Even if the reader would which makes things tricky.

>They have no depth, they're just surface reads of the characters out of canon with little extrapolation of their emotional states.

This though is a really excellent point and one I'm not sure I know how to fix. It was intentional as we know the regular ponies so I wanted to do more work to set up the doubles but I think you're definitely right that I've neglected the existing one's in the first chapter at least anyway. I didn't want to start too hard on reactions at this point while I was still getting the plot going but I can certainly see what you mean.

I will say that the incredibly light fandom take on Pinkie Pie is partially set up though for when she meets her double and things don't go to well for her in the slightest.

Twilight Sparkle and Rarity do need fixing though even this early on I agree.

>Yeah... I don't say nice things about the comments section on FiM...

Heh, it did surprise me given it's in the title after all. Even if I'm trying to never actually state it loud until the end I think and just let which pony has which element now come out naturally.

>My problem with that is that you want to dance around the world building of Rock, and give the assumption that they want to go back because it's their real world. And I'm seriously wondering why would they want to?

That does get covered later so I'm not to worried about that one.

You got a couple of the guesses right, but not all of them, though as you said that's pretty good off just a chapter one read.
>> No. 118436
>>118417
First off, thank you very much for review. Second, huh, I never really considered the idea of Cadance as a savior figure for changelings (then again we're equating a savior to a buffet).

As for the side A side B stuff, I still want the primary focus of the main story to be on Cadance. However, given what you said, I might make it so that once Discord revives the Hive the A/B plot starts again.

Then there's the dream sequence. Sigh. Is that due to it being at the start of the story? I can see how that could be a problem. It's a dream, so it's gonna be a little odd. Would establishing characters before the dream sequence help?
>> No. 118483
>>118414
I guess my biggest concern is that I seemed to have miscommunicated the fundamental intent of the story.

It's not really meant to be a suspenseful, exciting adventure where a dynamic character goes from point A to point B fighting dudes and solving clues. It's not really meant to be an adventure or a drama at all, I'm just here to tell some jokes.

What I'm hoping would draw the reader in are the situations, the puns, the references, the double entendres, the dialogues, and all the other things that make me giggle when I come up with them. Most of which are vignettes or throwaway lines, so the plot is basically there to provide enough continuity to prevent the story from being 101 Pony Jokes or something like Pascal's Pensees.

Cause like the action and the plot development were the most boring parts for me. Like the stuff that motivates me to keep writing, and the stuff that I'm hoping motivates people to read my story is stuff like the creepy codependent radio pony saying "I read in a very authoritatively written book that snow giraffes, like all members of the order Perissodactyla, are very easily confused," or the fact that the page long history of stock market bubbles and crashes ends with the moral "buy low sell high," or the pony telling the history of the stock market says "Those ponies was called speculators, ‘cause they tried to get a good look at what was in the future with a tool called a speculum.
"

It's set in the FoE universe because most of my jokes are MLP fandom specific but FoE is flexible in that it's pony related but separate from the culture and themes of the show enough that I can still make jokes about stock market bubbles, and Gyrobowls, and Stasi agents who can't pronounce the word squirrel, too.

In that vein the world building and plot development is an expression of a style of humor I find find funny, to introduce an element that's surreal, add enough background information to make it sound plausible or at least possible, let it simmer, and then add more details that shift the balance back to the surreal side, then give details that make it sound plausible again, and then escalate the two contradicting sides and push it as far as I can make it go.

Like for example my thought process with Gorilla Dash:

1. pony shows up out of nowhere wearing a gorilla suit ( that's wacky)

2. we are reminded that it's ultra violent post apocalyptic Mad Max world (costumes are wacky, but not unprecedented and should be taken seriously)

3. pony in gorilla suit has male voice, is named Rainbow Dash, and hangs out with a pink mare in a macabre costume. Also they're involved in some sort of sacred mystery and Gorilla Dash comes back from the dead. (that's definitely a lot more wacky, and also a not very subtle Rainbow Dash Presents reference)

4. references to Fallout Equestria and Fallout New Vegas provide enough of a backstory and a model for the character that the reader can accept Gorilla Dash's existence as merely weird and not just arbitrary and impossible. If you happen to know what an auroch was and why they were culturally significant for humans, then you also get a window into what Gorilla Dash is up to and what his means are.

5. other stuff happens, G Dash fades from prominence

6. in another chapter Gorilla Dash comes back in the middle of nowhere wearing animal pelts and a thyrsus and screaming shit in Ancient Greek while leading a procession of goats and drunken mares and then twenty minutes later the main characters find themselves in a trippy Story of the Blanks/Euripides's Bacchae crossover chapter.

7. exposition in that chapter gives a reasonable explanation for what G Dash was doing there and gives further insight into what his place is in the world. G Dash goes away until the next time he shows up and he's even weirder.

That's basically the pattern for most every bit of exposition and world building I do. They're all setups and punchlines. Since they can be pretty protracted, I try to set up a rhythm where there's enough of either intrigue or payoff that it stays interesting. But it sounds like that intention didn't make it through the reading.

OC is I guess sorta like Larry David's character in Curb Your Enthusiasm, in that he's a jackass because he's perpetually dissatisfied, but he lacks the awareness to realize the reason nothing goes his way is because he's constantly acting like a jackass. He is absolutely a little bitch. He complains and complains about bland food and having a desk job when everyone else is pretty much a starving serf. You're not supposed to like him, absolutely no one in the story likes him, hell, the universe itself doesn't like him. I try to make the narrative as unsympathetic to him as possible without having him realize what he's saying is ironic. The three other ponies who end up hanging out with him only do so because they're too weird, stupid, and/or awful to be accepted anywhere else. Whether or not you hate him in the way I'm hoping you'll hate him I can't tell, but that's my plan.

He's not really a character that's capable of getting shit done, nor does he really develop much over the series. But it's not really a story about getting shit done. I chose to make him the main character because I think he makes a good foil for the more dynamic side characters. That's where the whole bit about " a tale of a train wreck told from the perspective of four ponies squabbling over a graham cracker in the dining car" comes from, since he's constantly running into interesting important plot-relevant figures that inevitably get sick of him and throw his ass out.

I can see how you might find that repetitive, but I also think that "variations on the theme of petty, bitter, self-inflicted misery" has been and can be a viable device for comedy, and it's one that I happen to like.

As for it being Sci Fi, I don't really think the level of technology is really as important as the way it is handled. The tech level in my story is most assuredly lower than it is in FoE or most side stories, but because I have a background in the physical sciences and biotechnology, and because I find that sort of thing interesting, I go into the technology that is there in a much more detailed and realistic way than what you see in FoE. It's not like magic doesn't exist in my story, but it's told from the perspective of non-magical scientist ponies so it's all either like roughly comparable to real world technology or it's "fuckin' unicorn shit". In fact most instances of technology in my story are pretty much just parodies of the ridiculously convenient and powerful technologies that show up in FoE and how awkward and impractical they would be if they had to use "real world" physics instead of video game logic. Or like how PH's Glory is like fifteen and she's a doctor and a surgeon and political activist and a research scientist who discovered pony AIDS in like four days by herself who blows shit up and experiments with BDSM, like I've got a research scientist who's spent the last thirty years of her life researching one enzyme and only one enzyme, and because of that is a broken soulless hag who can't interact meaningfully with anypony who hasn't been keeping up with the literature for the last eighteen months.

Space opera and technofantasy are both established styles of science fiction, but they're not really my style of science fiction. My story is fiction with an emphasis on math, science, and technology, thus science fiction.

Regarding the length of the chapters, the first chapter was definitely meant to be the shortest chapter in the story, and it was meant to provide an introduction to my style of humor, while giving a more contained and directed plot line to exhibit my writing style and name drop some references to FoE to reassure the reader I'm working in the same franchise. It seems like you picked up on what I was doing, but I guess the effect it had wasn't the one I had intended.

I definitely appreciate the review, but I feel like we have pretty different expectations of what the story should do, since this is sort of meant to be a weird culture safari in a bizarro post apocalyptic world so exploring a way of life is pretty much the goal. I mean ideally it would be best to do everything I'm hoping to do and have some sort of gripping emotional plot, but if what I'm doing is getting in the way of a plot, then I don't see how I can change focus without altering the core identity of what I'm trying to make.
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>>118430
> Not sure what I'm going to do about the exposition though as looking through the chapter it's all information I want to get out to characters who wouldn't know that stuff.

Seriously? At this point don't worry about it. the next statement is the more important part:
> I think you're definitely right that I've neglected the existing one's in the first chapter at least anyway.
As you've pointed out, the exposition is needed to get the new characters involved in the story. But you spend so much time setting up the new characters, I don't know if you're actually going to be handling the actual characters in a fair light.
And one of the advantages to reading fanfiction is the capacity to put canon characters into situations that they would not normally be exposed to.

The overly detailed focus on the dark-side characters is one of the major reasons I didn't see why this wasn't just about them, in their universe.

> That does get covered later so I'm not to worried about that one.
That's good, if you over looked that I'd be really worried.

>>118436
> (then again we're equating a savior to a buffet)
She's a glowing beacon of never ending food to a society that's starving and reduced to eating their own.
Why, all she'd have to do is use her magic in some fashion, and it's likely the changelings wouldn't need to kill to feed effectively. Which would make her the savior of an entire race of ponies. But again, that's me over thinking it.

> Then there's the dream sequence.
Don't worry about that. I'm rarely ever sold on emotional dream sequences based on characters that don't exist yet.
As it is, it fits the story. Plus it doesn't end well, with is a plus.

Again, another reason I'm surprised the mother isn't already dead in chapter two.

>>118483
> I guess my biggest concern is that I seemed to have miscommunicated the fundamental intent of the story.

> I definitely appreciate the review, but I feel like we have pretty different expectations of what the story should do, since this is sort of meant to be a weird culture safari in a bizarro post apocalyptic world so exploring a way of life is pretty much the goal. I mean ideally it would be best to do everything I'm hoping to do and have some sort of gripping emotional plot, but if what I'm doing is getting in the way of a plot, then I don't see how I can change focus without altering the core identity of what I'm trying to make.

I'm calling in a favor. It make take some time.
My first instinct is to tell you to unleash it on the world, but that would be significantly unkind of me. You have a fairly lofty goal in mind, and it would be best to have a second opinion in mind and on hand.
>> No. 118510
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Title: For The Craft

Summary: An artist does a lot to maintain their ability. Practice, dedication, and an ongoing appreciation all go into the upkeep and advancement of their respective crafts. In the case of Frederick Horseshoepin, it takes something more

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XIoS9E8fnRbQNXDEqruAyaYh5bOS2CkWLQxmpEzc0ig/edit

Language: English




Main concerns regarding this story were that the opener wasn't a good enough hook and the character of Capriccio was severely average. I've made some fixing and thought I'd get your discerning opinion. This thread will be my last stop before attempting EqD, so I gotta make this thing shine even more!
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Dagnabbit I forgot to include this!

Word Count: 5717
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>>117693
You know your character is an unredeemable Sue, right? I mean, I've sat down to read it on three separate occasions, and each time I've been rebuffed by my irrational hatred for the title character.

This is even with the suspension of disbelief that Equestria is rife with assassination, the title character is too good at... well everything.

He's a perfect assassin, he's a perfect stalker, he's a perfect older brother (who happens to be younger), he's a perfect student. I had to read, in a fic about a pony that's chosen field of specialization is stalking and murdering people:
"Their kind deeds and actions each day helped make me a both brilliant student and a pony whose imagination was unrivaled."
I must ask you, why?
Why must he be top of the class, 'unrivaled', perfect, and unchallenged in all fields? It's sickening.

Real people, real characters, are rarely so perfect. They make mistakes, learn from them, and only sociopaths think themselves so perfect in their own heads.

I don't think you want me to think your character is a sociopath? Unless you do, which means you've done a great job making him seem distant, alien, and frankly insane, so congratulations there.

I mean, sure, on top of having such a Sue character you top it all off apparently making Rainbow Dash a Wonderbolt...
Ugh, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

So no. On a skim and content wise, this story is fine. In depth, it'll be well received on FiMfic for it's deep story and believable characters.

But I hate this thing. There's no part of it that's not kind of sickening. The fact that you think any part of it is 'sad' is kind of horrifying to me.
Your TITLE CHARACTER kills people for money, and that's played off as moral and justified. Yet you kill off background people to advance the plot line and somehow that's supposed to be sad in comparison?
You downplay killing to a necessity of the social structure, why would one sort of killing be more emotional than the other? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

At best this is Dark, because you have reduced the Equestrian Society to a murder field where anyone can request assassinations on the fly, and the guards are helpless to react in most, if not all cases.
For sad, you'd have to make the murders matter in the larger scope. People actually affected by them in negative ways. Because what you have is too clean and perfect to be serious.
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>>118583
>Because what you have is too clean and perfect to be serious.
Ah, understood. I suppose I've gone about this all wrong. I think I'll reorganize certain parts and pretty much rewrite most of it. Sorry it was so 'sickening'! Thanks for reading it through nonetheless! ^_^
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>>118202
Not sure if I'm supposed to be adding to my original request post, but I just got this feedback from EqD and figured it would be helpful to your reviewing.

>Felt like something out of an old 4chan creepypasta thread. It definitely could have been better executed as far as showing rather than telling is concerned. The journal format hurts rather than helps; it's easier to write, but it's less immersive for the readers. Part of the reason it works for some horror is the implication that it's a real journal someone found, and that adds to the reader's connection with the story—prose is clearly fictional in a work like this, but a journal could by some remote possibility be true. It makes it more scary. Of course, when the characters involved are fictional, that threat can never materialize, so you're just left with a medium that's less effective at showing the reader what's going on, showing deterioration, and establishing an atmosphere, mostly because it tells rather than shows. This has a good plot, but its presentation is disappointing, and I think your writing would need to be a bit stronger to pull this format off.

>I do enjoy the fact that you're trying to write actual horror rather than one of the gorefests that seem to make up the majority of dark in this fandom, but this isn't quite where it needs to be.

The pre-reader also mentions that I should break up the walls of text. I understand the need to do this, but I had a very specific reason for neglecting paragraph breaks. As the story is told in journal format I reasoned that most people don't usually have paragraph breaks when writing entries in their journals, at least in my experience that is the case.

Anyways, I'm sure it will be awhile before you get to my review, but here you go anyways. Thanks again.
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>>118202
It may not be a journalistic as you might like, but at least split up your first paragraph. You describe the stallion, the box, and most of the things he does in one paragraph that is a giant wall of text.

Just breaking up that one would make it much easier to get into reading, especially with the server subject change in that one segment.

As for the story... It's a very forced sort of horror.
I'm more of a fan of 'fair' horror, where the characters involved have the option to get out, but cannot due to their own personal reasons. This isn't fair. This actually resolves into mind control at a few parts, where the title character follows all the rules set in stone -where in a fair universe she should win- but doesn't because that's the sort of story you're writing.

Rarity has no capacity to affect change in the story. Not because of anything she did, but because that's the sort of story you wanted to write. It makes the whole effort sort of hollow. There's no choice or initiative of the character involved, just writer inflicted horror.

And the third annoyingest complaint, is that you end the story by migrating the box on to the next friend in line, but never actually address what may or may not have happened to Rarity.
Dash doesn't even seem to care or think about Rarity being missing for weeks, which, even if it was just in Rarity's head, only adds to the fact that the story feels sort of hollow. Like each section takes place in a vacuum all it's own.
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>>118227
I haven't had to tell anybody this in a while, and I'm kind of glad you brought it up.

"Weather Report"

What this means in layman's terms, is that your first paragraph, the one about the sunny day, the children playing, and the scary forest?
That's the literary equivalent of white noise.
It seems like a good idea, but it's a really bad starting point. It tells the reader that you're really new to this game. It's pretty much the same sentence over and over for all eternity from my point of view.
There's a set number of ways you can say 'It's a bright and sunny day'. And worst of all, the fact it's a sunny day with children playing has no baring on your plot at all.

No dragons are snatching people up seconds later, comets aren't raining from the sky. It's essentially wasted text, putting false importance on information that doesn't matter.

Then there's the tensing issues.
She smiled as she watched Applejack and Rainbow Dash tease one another while Pinkie Pie hovers over the many desserts spread over the checkered blanket.
You're usually in past tense, until the occasional present tense slips in. It's really jarring when it happens and it makes the very simple narration stand out even more.

The app-reviewer ( http://auto-reviewer.appspot.com/ ) found these:
Pinkie." Fluttershy giggled.
better." Fluttershy murmured as she
time." Spike coughed annoying
me." Rainbow Dash snickered.
morning." Fluttershy mumbled as the

: Dialogue attribution should not use a period

"That just means dialog, when attributed, should be punctuated like so," said the Minty.

Also your double spacing makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

There's missing possessives, Rainbow Dash has 5 lines of dialog and says awesome twice (way too frequent even for her), and at the end of the day the dialog and narration in this story is flat at the best of times.

I only skimmed chapters two and three, and quite frankly Carmilla scares me.
Not because she's probably a demon, but because anytime a story has canon characters stop what they're doing to talk amongst themselves about the OC, it throws up red flags and causes people to run away from the fic screaming.

When a story focuses on one character to the exclusion of others, it's wading into one of the Mary Sue territories.
I'm not calling her one yet, that's not fair. But if characters say anything similar to "Hey? Where's the OC?" at any given time, people are going to start throwing names around.
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>>118609
>As for the story... It's a very forced sort of horror.
I sort of understand what you mean. I'll try to work on that and see what I can change.

>And the third annoyingest complaint, is that you end the story by migrating the box on to the next friend in line, but never actually address what may or may not have happened to Rarity.

I originally had a segment in that showed what happened to Rarity and even showed the stranger transforming into a pegasus. It was told in third person though, since I didn't really have a way to stick with only journal entries but still have that segment in there. I took it out because I believed that switching to third person randomly seemed out of place.
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>>118614
> I sort of understand what you mean. I'll try to work on that and see what I can change.
That's all I can ask. ^^

> I took it out because I believed that switching to third person randomly seemed out of place.
It would be a bit out of place.

Perhaps when you switch to the next diary, you could start back a day earlier. I got the fact that the stranger changed into a pegasus, so you don't really need to cover that. But with the 'friends beating on her door' part, you could address what at least Dash thinks about her going missing before she ends up picking up the box.
>> No. 118637
>>118628
>you could address what at least Dash thinks about her going missing before she ends up picking up the box
That's a very good point. I'll put something in that shows RD wondering where the eff Rarity went and why she hasn't heard from her.
>> No. 118641
>>118613
So wasted text at the beginning. Should I start the story off with...some kind of problem in the background. I don't know have to think about it.

And once again tensing issues rear its ugly head at me. Can never get that right.

Carmilla is actually doing that on purpose. I might be going over board with it though. Yes, she is, in fact, a monster.

As for wanting to gouge out your eyes, that seems like a personal problem. You might want to look into that. Gouged out eyes is a leading cause of blindness in most cases.
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>>118641
>Should I start the story off with...some kind of problem in the background.
The problem with a weather report isn't that the things you're talking about are happy, it's that the things you're talking about are unrelated to your story. Start with your story. Your can start with minor characters or major, with dialogue or action, and you can start at the beginning, middle, or end. As long as it's relevant, it's all good.

>You might want to look into that. Gouged out eyes is a leading cause of blindness in most cases.
You forget: Minty reviews fics on a regular basis.
Pic related.
>> No. 118732
>>118641
> I don't know have to think about it.
You could even start with the next paragraph with Fluttershy. There's a great deal of importance put on the first few paragraphs in a story. If you spend too much time avoiding the meat of the story, it feels like you have difficulty focusing on the things that should be important.

> And once again tensing issues rear its ugly head at me.
Practice, practice, practice. Read it out loud if you keep trying to figure out what's wrong.

> Carmilla is actually doing that on purpose. I might be going over board with it though. Yes, she is, in fact, a monster.
And again, what I said was:
>> Not because she's probably a demon,
I know she's probably a monster. It's fairly obvious actually if you think about it. I mean that she's too important to the characters for little reason.

Have you ever read a fic where the OC is more important than any other character in the story? To the point canon characters are helpless without the OC's input? I do, frequently. Those are the characters which people blame as to why they never read things with OCs in them.
You want to avoid that if at all possible.

> Gouged out eyes is a leading cause of blindness in most cases.
But blindness is the grand prize...
Well, for the two or three weeks it takes me to learn braille.
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>>118732
>gouges eyes to stop reading fanfics
>learns braille to read fanfics

I think I found your problem.
>> No. 118765
>>118732
As soon as you finish learning braille you chop off your fingers with anger. Then you turn to having the fanfics being read out loud so you can review them. After that gets to you, your ears will be the next to go. So finally after lopping off most of your sensory organs you finally reach a state of nirvana. No more bad fanfics.

Whee, slippery slopes are fun. Make sure to use clean surgical tools.Thanks for your help!
>> No. 118786
>>118765
"Your ears you keep, and I'll tell you why: so that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish; every babe that weeps at your approach; every woman who cries out, 'Dear God! What is that thing?' will echo in your perfect ears. That is what 'to the pain' means; it means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery, forever."
>> No. 118803
Can you please review this for me?
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOnEslMAzXh9Uchbt-PJF2UHYmaWcMAqAZegamPbZOM/edit?pli=1

Title: Unborken Steel: Rainbow Dash and Starscream
Tags: Shipping, Action, Adventure, Crossover
Summery: A shipping Fic about Rainbow Dash and Starscream? Yes that's what this is, but if you're expecting a sappy love story with a lot of kissing then you'd be wrong. It was a romance that was doomed to fail from the beginning, if you think romance involves constantly fighting and trying to destroy each other. Inspired by the Death Battle on Screwattack.com where RD fought Starscream and won. After falling into Equestria through a wormhole Starscream makes enemies with a certain rainbow maned daredevil. But can these enemies become friends, or possibly something even more? Very Unlikely.

Notes: Okay, I get that this is a weird idea but I'm trying to make it as realistic as possible. Its about a rainbow pony and a giant robot so I guess realistic is a loose term. I do plan to try to submit this to EQD at some point and believe it or not but one of the prereaders actually found it interesting, but they told me it still needs work. That's why I'm here, I'm asking for a bit of help to make the first chapter the best I can make it. Also I can take criticism, so come at me brony, I'm not gonna get better otherwise.
Thanks for your time.
>> No. 119098
Guess I forgot to put this in, sorry, sometimes I tend to loose my head. Would of done this earlier, but I've been busy and I've only just checked back.
First I seems my dumbass didn't spell the title right.
Its suppose to be Unbroken Steel: Rainbow Dash and Starscream.
Word count: 10,000 give or take.
Language: English
Sorry if this gave any trouble.
>> No. 119276
Wow. I never thought I could find a place with such a large ratio amount of shitfics to anything else as FIMFiction. Guess I was wrong. And that is with running a group dedicated to finding shitfics.
I believe that I will call upon the services of this thread in the near future.

>>118803

With an error in the title, I doubt that one will go over well.
>> No. 119297
I'd like to have my story retracted from the queue. I appreciate all the help you gave me on chapter one, and I'd love to have your input on chapter two, but you're clearly a busy guy, and I'm kind of impatient. I already received a review from someone on TTG, and while it might not be as deep or harsh as yours would have been, I think it will suffice. If you're already in the process of writing the review, though, I'd love to see it, and I'll be sure to take any broader complaints into consideration when writing future chapters.

Thanks again for the help you've given me so far. Happy reviewing!
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>>119297
Dang, that's kinda cold. I mean, he'd already started on it--it's yellow in the queue--and everything.
>> No. 119301
>>119299

I don't know if I'd use the word 'cold.' I mean, I did say that I'd like to hear anything he's already come up with. Besides, I get the impression that I won't be receiving a review any time soon, and because of that, I'll probably end up posting the chapter before the review comes out.

Still, I get your point. Sorry if I came across as rude.
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>>119297
>>119299
>>119301

It's fine really.
Sure, I was working on it, but I was idling thanks to RL unfortunately. Chapter two is so much harder to work with. Sure I had some questions about the way that guard treated Pinkie, and was actually working through Cranky at the party... but yes you would have better luck with other reviewers. ^^

But in this case I can simply move on to my next target... Subject... Requestor.
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>>118510
It's a story where Fredrick kills ponies to keep playing music.

Yeah, the only problem with that statement, is that I was saying it after the first sentence. Constantly.
it was distracting how much I was waiting for you to get to the twist.
Spoiler Alert: there isn't one.

It's actually off putting, because while the story conveys it well, in a little shoptian/faustian horror way, it's too obvious about it.

Might as well compare point for point with that classical piece of shlock 'horror' Cupcakes while I'm doing this, right?
For the Craft is much better written than Cupcakes.

On the other hand, Pinkie and Applebloom being murder happy psychopaths is a surprise, a twist in itself because it's not part of the character you'd think they present. With the little exposure I have to Frederick and his seemingly negative personality, the idea of him being a murder is not outside the realm of expectation in my mind.
It's possible that the expectation is that Equestria, being in a kids show shouldn't have rampant murder in it, but my first really psychotic fandom would have been Sonic SatAM, a children's show where the villain won ten years prior to the series, and characters were often carted off to become robot zombies with little to no chance to be rescued. Even classic MLP has demon dragon invasions in the first special. So one murderer in Equestria isn't that shocking to me really.

Cupcakes starts out like a shipping story, so the murder is a surprise. As I said this one starts out with a big red neon sign screaming that 'Freddy needs to kill somebody'. And I'm not exaggerating at all really, that's how it feels.

Cupcake's reasoning for the murder is part of what's implied to be a random system, and quite possibly institutionalized population culling. Craft's reason seems to be Satan. More or less, his motive is to disturb the natural order in the basest means available, that's pretty Satanic. Discord would have style and flair, and even Tirek would have more reasoning behind his actions. So Satan is close enough.

Cupcake's Pinkie is a murder and a teacher. Craft's Frederick is an accessory to murder. He doesn't really seem to have that much initiative, just no qualms against killing people.

Moving past the comparison stage when I was trying to figure out why I didn't like the story, I came to a few possible plot directions.

Story 1 - This is the one you went with. Satan, magic piano, murder. The reason this one doesn't seem to make sense is because Freddy gets nothing out of his deal with Satan.
You present him as a pretty good player with no piano of his own. But that's not really a good reason to accept a murder box like the one Satan gave him. He could replace it at some point, not to mention he had other instruments available to him. If he was good enough to attract Satan's attention, he wouldn't actually need him.

For this story to make sense, you would have to make Frederick *not* an accomplished childhood pianist.
Make him a woodworker who wishes to be a pianist. Make his cutiemark completely unrelated to performing. Then I can see the story working. It stops being a musician willing to kill for his art, and becomes the story of a man willing to deal with Satan to become a talent thief because he doesn't appreciate his natural talent.
Which in the context of FiM is actually horrifying, regardless of the murder.

Story 2 - I had this idea while reading:
Capriccio steals Frederick's body through some means, and steals his fame for herself.
The Satan figure is actually just a passing woodworker, the twist being that he's not Satan, just weird.
Capriccio kills Frederick (which would be a surprise) then is revealed to be a changeling or a demon or magic, who takes the shape of him to become instantly famous.
I was hoping you'd do that, because that would be fun and unexpected.

Story 3 - Freddy is the victim. Make him actually interested in Capriccio in a completely antisocial way. Show him trying to get rid of the piano and failing in magical ways. That way he's no longer an accomplice and it's ruining his life at least.
>> No. 119318
Title: All That's Passed - The Plunge
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dAIE1LXVqbJTL9761zLyKGBbv5jo75-Hufp3s6zVPuQ/edit
Tags: Shipping
Synopsis: The day of Fluttershy and Big Macintosh's wedding has finally arrived, and Applejack couldn't be happier for her big brother and friend. Or at least, she would be happy, if a certain sky-blue pegasus didn't keep distracting her. One drinking contest and several Pinkie Pie-related incidents later, Applejack begins to realize that the friendship she has long treasured with Rainbow Dash may in fact be something more. Could she really have feelings for her best friend, or is it just the cider talking? On the way to that answer Applejack discovers truths about pride, vulnerability, and love.
Word Count: 8,205
Native Language: English
Additional Notes: I'm primarily concerned that 1. the relationship isn't developed consistently, and 2. it's much too long. I would greatly appreciate any and all feedback you might have!
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>>119301
Eh, I'm probably just over-wary after the Lunar Shadow fiasco. Sorry if I came off harshly.
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>>119308
Well, damn, this was unexpected. Just came by to see if some characters or scenes needed tuning, but a whole rewrite? That's new to say the least.

Sigh... well, if there's nothing else wrong, then I can just look this over a bit. Maybe change an early flashback scene so that Fred is a wood-carver or something. Or hell, maybe give the pre-readers a go and see what they think before I decide to take an axe to the story. Or, I could do away with the image and redo the summary so it's not apparent from the get-go, tone down the sinister brewings in the opening. We'll see.

In any case, thank you for your time and your thoughts. Sorry my story equated to a bludgeon in your eyes, but it's given me something to think about. And hey, I don't feel quite so bad over this news. Maybe it means I'm growing as a writer... or the shock hasn't quite hit me yet. Time will tell.
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>>119330
Like I said, I was bouncing the idea around for a while.

The characters are fine. Outside of not knowing what Frederick gets from the deal, he seems fine. Capriccio is a perfectly understandable starving artist type. Satan is pretty clearly Satan. All the characters are fine and in place.

> Sorry my story equated to a bludgeon in your eyes,
Your story is far from a mace to the face indeed. Like I said, the glaring part that was missing was gain. I couldn't understand what Fred was getting from being an accessory to murder on a supernatural scale, and it detracts from the story.

Like I said, just play around with the background so that he stops being a poor artist and changes into a jealous artist, then the whole murder angle seems downright reasonable.

... Alternately, the changeling seductress one does sound pretty awesome.

You may want to watch Little Shop of Horrors sometime soon too. It might give you some ideas. Any version of it too.
>> No. 119336
>>119318
You are signed in as m1nty rest@g ail.com, but you don't have permission to access this item. You can request access from the owner or choose a different account.
>> No. 119351
>>119336
I'm so sorry, my account was just auto-switched to Google Drive and I was so distracted by it that I forgot to change the privacy setting! You should now be able to view it.
>> No. 119359
>>119325

You totally did not come off as harsh. I actually thought about the Lunar Shadow kerfuffle shortly after re-reading my own comment.
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>>118803
I sat down to your fic expecting comedy. Stupid situations and hilariously horrible concepts and plot elements smashed together to make a story so horrible and absurd that trying to take it seriously would require some sort of robotic subroutines and possibly being a terminator of some sort.

This story delivers on none of that.

Do you know what the difference between:
>Celestia kept the discovery of ancient technology a secret from the public eyes and ears after it was uncovered by an archeology team a few centuries back.
and:
> Celestia made this super-secret science and magic division that specialized in the study of old technology. It was established a few hundred years ago...

I don't. I do know I have to read it two different times in detail in your first chapter though.
I also know that none of this matters in relation to the story I was told to expect. Remember?
Rainbow Dash and Starscream? Back in the title?

Yeah, your title says they're important to the plot. Instead the most Rainbow Dash that I get out of the first part of the story is a placeholder for where Dash will be when the story actually starts, and a Starscream who's basically a joke character who could be mistaken for Starscream at a distance.

The actual main character of this story appears to be Sparks, who could be interesting... had I come into this story looking for him, and not Starscream and Rainbow Dash, like the title promised.

As it is, this story is a pile of horrible things. Homonym errors, terrible word choice, and a feeble concept.

That said, it's brought lower seeing as you, the author, seem to want to write about a different story, and you're just tacking on the Starscream angle because no one will read a story about an antisocial technology obsessed OC in Equestria.

So for a first chapter, it's horrible. You're unfocused and clearly intent on creating a story unrelated to the summary you gave to me.
You need to focus. Either cut the story of Starscream/Dash being idiots, or cut the story of the moron rebellion. The technological resistance could be interesting if you actually gave them more than childish reasons and cartoonishily evil actions to engage in.
The Starscream/Dash story could be interesting, if it wasn't mired in all the OC 'gar, Celestia is oppressing me' BS.

Individually, you could make interesting stories out of either. Combined it's just a sickening pile too thick and self satisfactory for people to trudge through.
>> No. 119845
Hello,

I have submitted this story to EQD twice already, both times receiving a rather nice rejection letter with some good suggestions that I have tried to implement. This is my last try, so I really need help to make sure I get this right.

1) Comedy, Adventure, Slice of Life
2) Filial
3) This is a story about the most important relationship in everypony's or every dragon's life. Often this relationship is taken for granted, but sometimes events provide a reminder of just how special it is, and if you're really lucky it's not too late to say so.
4) http://www.fimfiction.net/story/40042/Filial
5) Twilight Sparkle, Spike, The Great and Powerful Trixie, sea monsters and sea-ponies!
6) Complete
7) Family is who you love
8) Dafaddah
9) http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t510/lmclecm/76cc36b8.jpg
10) "Filial" is a story about the relationship between Twilight and Spike, and about the consequences of making choices for either the right or wrong reasons. It also expands on Twilight's relationship with Trixie and provides a foundation for possible rapprochement between them in a sequel.
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>>119318
Storytime!
I know, it seems unrelated, but work with me here. This thread is my lemonade stand, more or less. I set it up here in /fic/ because I like to read fics. At one point I read everything that came through /fic/ in one form or another, because I love the ideas. All the new concepts, new ways to see things, and all the new and different original characters that I got to see. There's so many stories I would have never read and so many people I never would have met had I not been a resident here.

And this story is the sort of story I'd skip.

Your primary concerns seem to be that the story may be too long and that the relationship is not developed consistently. My issues are that I don't care, and you show no signs of actually wanting me to care. That's really it. The sort of person you've written this story for doesn't care for any of the characters and instead is just reading it for a shipping 'fix'. As a shipping fix it's a fine story, and needs little improvement.

As a story, there isn't really one. There's no reason for it to be, there's nothing that it brings to the table that's unique, and -and I do admit that this is personal bias- what little plot there seems to be is based on a relationship so abhorrent to me, I want to burn this story and never stop, possibly forever.

^^

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Fluttershy/Big Mac. I'm so not a fan, that when I see it, I desperately want to see at least an explanation of how things got to that point. That doesn't happen here. That story will never happen. Yet again, this is a story that assumes that Fluttershy and Big Mac are busy being OTP, and assumes that I'll just be fine taking that at face value. So no, I'm not happy almost out of the gate.

Your characters are just as accurate for parody versions of the characters. They lack motives and objectives for the most part, often just spouting out things that sound like something they would say. Again, part of this is my bias, but another part is that characters stand around being hamfisted versions of themselves to prove they are in the story, for no reason other than to prove they exist. Twilight is organized, Rarity always dresses in style, but they add little to the story at all.

Where's Applebloom in the intro scene? It's her big brother getting married too, why would she be on the bride's side of the ceremony?

Who's Symphony?

Anyways, this is a stupid story where Applejack suddenly falls for Rainbow Dash because 'Wedding' and 'Alcohol'. Then Rainbow Dash loves her back because UNF. That's it. Nothing else happens, and nothing else matters. Characters exist to be plot devices, and nothing matters outside of 'shipping'. And this is why people avoid shipping stories by the way. Even avoiding ship war politics, there's no reason for the shipping beyond wanting to write the shipping.

Pilsner. Right. Sure, what ever. I don't even care anymore.

There's no conflict, goal, objective, or arc. There's not even basic dramatic structure. This story might as well just be a pile of words dumped in the reader's lap.

But you know what? That's fine. People like reading things like this. It'll do really well as a shiptastic shipping fic.

Sure, characters just do things because the story needs them to, and people are just kind of there to prove they exist, and at the end of the day I won't remember reading anything about this story. (Besides the hate. I'll remember the hate.)

I'm sure they'll thumbs it up, and maybe read other things by you, but I know you can do better. This is far from the best thing you can do, and that makes me really sad that you put this in my queue instead of a story that you wanted to do that brought something notable to the table.

I really don't know why you feel the need to make Applejack and Rainbow Dash the only gay ones in the group. Does that make them more special-ly in someway? Is this just part of a larger story where you do things in the name of shipping? I don't know why this story would stand out, seeing as nothing happens. I would be hard pressed to mention this as a back story in a larger, more interesting story. There's nothing to it. It's quite possibly one of the boring-est AppleDash back stories that I've ever seen.

Yes, not every story is an epic, but at the same time not every story needs to be told. I'm actually kind of hurt that you would want me to read this. I know there are people that would want to read this sort of thing. You have some interesting references with Pinkie, but beyond that, I really don't know why I would read something like this of my own free will.
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Oi, Minty!

Your comparison of my fic to Robotech set off a niggling little memory, like a splinter in my mind's eye.

Tonight I figured out what it was, so here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/ForMintyRest

I'm hoping you'll find it amusing--albeit in an eye-rolling way--rather than rage-inducing. If it does go the rage route, just remember: headbutts hurt you about as much as they do the other guy.

Is it relevant to my fic? I don't know yet.

What's that you say? Procrastination provoked by--well, several things? Never!*

*Pic related.
>> No. 120101
>>119845
I forgot to mention 4,639 words, 1 chapter only.
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